er and er, in fact, this is the same person who remarked, well, wait. and how are we going to use nuclear weapons, that will start in general, the apocalypse will begin and our earth will fly out of orbit, that's what lukashenko said just recently, and now he is calling to be ready to use this particular type of weapon in our previous conversation, you and i talked about the fact that lukashenko is actually asking putin to place some nuclear power on the territory of belarus. is this already happening or is the process already underway? for six sentences, it was emphasized that uh, conversations about the deployment of nuclear weapons can be excluded from the title after the completion of the so-called special operation, as if the student immediately limited the second district does not trust lukashenko, because i say hands uh, it 's better that he won't hand over anything to understand that you are a dolaroch, there is no institute for the capture of children, in fact, i tear up with a weapon, then

if they did not talk about re-equipment of those stormtroopers, such point-type aircraft for the needle- piercing sick aneste, i turned the weapon well, here is the version that russia has killed a lot of aviation, now they need it if aviation is why i am not that they are taking away the organization of the common ones like the one that the one that i have for you now and it is not a fact that i am incredible this and soon you understand that's why it's such a mess, and on the other hand, let's really look at it, here it is, here it is 122, here it is 22, i'm not capable of carrying, as it were, and then i turned in my weapon , and we absolutely don't have to... more russian territory for yesterday yesterday, we don’t have a leader or a heavy transport aviation of russia, they are the first lake, i loaded you, we still don’t have information that this is what you are

going to do. well, let’s just talk about how you read at night, i used them to export a tattoo named after god, decorate it, we can suspect that это такое, how will the attitude of iskandery be somewhere for them, the past complex is here, here are 300, somewhere 400 members are tying the devils here, there may be. of the white legion as if well, if you repeat the phrase in belarusian, that's it, kid, we understand how difficult the situation is. and it's not for nothing that general lieutenant naev inspected our north, the inspection satisfied him, and we are really doing everything possible to secure ourselves for the option of any development of events let's move on and

remind you that the three-day nato summit in madrid has apparently been concluded . finland and sweden will soon become new members of the alliance . well, for certain reasons and supposedly there are certain agreements , although erdogan leaves uh there, i don’t know, an open window for retreat in case of what and stated that the case may not burn out if uh, one of the parties uh, there are 10 pages of the contract which he considers it a victory for turkey, if someone does not comply with these points, then what happens to erdoğan from turkey, how does this affect the world security system and our security yevgenia haver, senior analyst at the center for modern research , toure university, contact us ms. yevgenia greetings, glory to ukraine, we can't hear you, unfortunately, we can't hear you now, we hope this issue will be resolved.

well, while our editors are solving the issue of communication with mrs. yevhenii, in the morning, mykolaiv was hit by missile attacks, one missile was shot down against the air for defense, there is an arrival at the enterprise, the head of the military administration reports mykolayiv oblast, fortunately for the time being, mrs. yevgenia, we congratulate you once again and once again you are the hero of the house, ah, dobrenko, what are we going to turkey ? declared this and the relevant documents must be signed already on july 5. but it leaves for itself some opportunities for a retreat. and i would like you to remind me what turkey insisted on and what the situation with the kurds actually has to do with it. -e finland and

even more to sweden, mostly this concerns their recognition as terrorists of the kurdish organizations of the pc and in ipg - these are syrians who traditionally act as partners and the usa of other nato countries in the fight against e-e and business in syria principles in the middle east for turkey, this issue is fundamental because they consider the eu to be equally terrorists and the pcs are generally recognized and the syrian kurds, who are partners of the alliance, on the other hand, there is a question of organization under kolakha-bilena, who , according to turkey, are also representatives present in the eu sweden, finland and turkey demanded their extradition plus all this of course there is a wider context related to the fact that it was fundamental for turkey.

due to russian aggression in ukraine to the southern borders, where there is a tourist threat for turkey. and there is the issue of sanctions against turkey, turkey is asking them to be relaxed or removed, there is the issue of f16 aircraft that turkey is asking the united states to supply to it. well, these are still individual moments of this general pictures when, in principle, ankara is trying to use this situation well and quite successfully as we see e in order to solve its security issues well and its internal domestic issues because it is obvious that it is an image erdogan's victory and well, i think we can still talk about the results, but the very fact that cardigan finally met with president biden for the first time in a long time is already a victory in itself for turkish diplomacy. sincerely, erdogan will play on our side

, on the side of ukraine, we understand that turkey remains a powerful economic partner of the russian federation, despite the imposed sanctions regime, a collective measure in our country traditionally they slandered olaf the salter, but somehow it was about erdoğan well, of course, thanks to specific military aid, yes, that is, the same bairaktars that we buy from them, and i hope that not only this , in one word, in your opinion, where will erdoğan's red lines run, where will he work more actively - to cooperate with the kremlin and where he will never cross, so to speak, his possible interests with ukraine and with ukraine with the west, well, these red lines, in principle, pass along the borders of ukraine from the year 91, that is territorial integrity, sovereignty of ukraine is something that turkey has been supported from the very beginning, of course at some stages there were diplomatic

attempts to probe the soil to understand how ready ukraine is now to defend these territories, whether in principle some option of a temporary freeze and gradual further settlement of this situation is possible, but ukraine stated clearly enough that in any other options, well, you and i know , we do not consider, therefore, in principle, all points are related to, well, conditional recognition of russian crimea, kherson or zaporizhzhia, this is not considered at all. turkey supports us in this sense. of course, there is a question of economic cooperation , it continues and even increases, unfortunately, these rates because for turkey this is an internal issue, this issue is sensitive. and by the way, it exists . yes, it is about the cooperation of moscow's nerc and turkey. in principle, it does not even try to hide it. they say absolutely frankly that it is not going to join the sanctions because it does not believe in their activity, and

moreover, this kind of conditional semi-legal cooperation, which is now for grain, when stolen ukrainian grain is delivered to turkey by russian syrian ships, and the turkish side of the eu declares that there are no legal grounds for considering this grain to be ukrainian and there is no way to prohibit companies from engage in this is certainly not a basket for us, history and unfortunately, in this sense, the volume of this illegal trade is also increasing with the occupied ports of crimea, well, that is, that is all that is connected with illegal maritime activity maritime trade this is also something that cannot help but cause concern whether turkey usually tries to act as such a mediator a mediator in various initiatives with the un, tripartite russia, ukraine, turkey and always but recently again there was a statement by erdoğan that

he is trying to adhere to the policy soft balancing between russia and ukraine in order to contribute to the resolution of the conflict. well, literally the last statement to take out foreign military personnel from ukraine. already 20 turkish ships are ready, says the rejector and reprimanded based on the results of the press conference, the following telephone conversations with the president of ukraine and the president of russia, he intends to hold at the end of this week or at the beginning of the next, taking into account everything you said above and that position, well, it is very interesting and versatile, i would say which is occupied by turkey and specifically by erdoğan , in your opinion, is turkey a good platform for negotiations on any topic between the leadership of russia and ukraine? we already had minsk formats and lukashenko was the mediator. the option will be successful when erdogan will play a similar role , well, it is obvious that if we compare ortogans and lukashenko, this is a much

more acceptable option for us eh, it still depends on what to compare with, where to take the starting point for these eh considerations from another parties are again not so fundamental for us now the platform is important for us and the agreements are essentially because the fact that turkey declares that it is a mediator and it is a mediator, well, these are slightly different things to be a facilitator of negotiations, yes , that is, simply to introduce platforms and to invite representatives of both sides and be an actual mediator or mediator when a separate proposal is being prepared there in the form of a document or some kind of agreement , proposals to be discussed and then in this direction of movement, both sides now what i see is rather turkey's attempts simply eh well, physically, let's say to organize this meeting, that's why it's important for us to defend our interests, in fact, i don't think that turkey will put pressure on ukraine

so that we are not acceptable there options were considered, but the fact that different options will be considered is that both sides, and this is traditional for diplomacy, will try to push for some common denominator. were knocked out of the snake island by our armed forces , a bunch of publications immediately appeared in turkey that this was a gesture of goodwill from russia towards ukraine, that russia did it, well, completely, that is repeating russian propaganda in order to unblock grain supplies. therefore, the whole world is now looking at ukraine. hopes that ukraine will agree to export this grain. obviously, there is this struggle in the information field. at the same time, clearly defend their positions. well, you very rightly

noted this point, so there are certain forces in turkey that are trying in every way to somehow support the russian meetings, but if we go back to grain problems and it is not just about stolen grain that they are trying to sell under a kind of neutral sauce. if we are talking about grain as an instrument of influence on international institutions that could put pressure on the russian federation, in particular, we understand that africa and the countries of the east, i do not know east asia, west asia, they can suffer very seriously. how do you see how productive a tool it will be? well, in fact, it is now grain and, in principle, the food crisis is being used as a weapon and as a tool of blackmail, just like russia before used energy resources in the same way as before

russia used the crisis with refugees, it doesn't matter whether there are syrians in turkey or on the polish- belarusian border or now with ukrainian refugees, it is obvious that unfortunately even grain and food is now becoming such a tool and weapon in the hands of russia and this issue is very strong the countries of the global south are concerned about what is called that is , the middle east, ukraine, africa, i now attend a lot of different conferences, recently there was a big conference in london, is there chaos half of the panels are devoted to precisely this because it is obviously not just about grain, it is about the socio-economic consequences of destabilization and the consequences of inflation for the regime in those countries for the population. that is, it is such a complex and serious problem that entails and triggers the dsc on destabilization in many of many of these countries. of course, the positions of russia are strong enough in these

countries, including the information field. this is a game of accusing ukraine of the fact that it is we who are blocking, we do not agree on what we use in the quality of hostages to solve their situation there, children who are hungry, uh, starving in africa, this is all, unfortunately, but it is obvious that there are also a large number of countries that, well, in particular, our western partners who understand who is to blame, the statements of the leaders of the european union and of the state department of the united states that this is shifting the blame to ukraine, it is no longer taken seriously by anyone, therefore, russia must take responsibility and finally allow the delivery of grain , but as a tool of blackmail in diplomatic negotiations of course, this is present. thank you very much, mrs. yevgenia, for this point, not the analysis. yevgenia habert, a senior analyst at the center for the study of modern turkey from carleton university, worked on

our broadcast. well, we remind you that today russia hit the mykolaiv oblast with missiles, the odesa region was exposed, and the settlement that suffered the most was sergiyivka . for those who are from the odesa region and for many ukrainians, this settlement is well known - it is such a vacation town, a town where there have always been many children and so children on unfortunately, there are also among the dead after today's airstrike on the territory of sergiyivka , we are talking about 18 dead and more than 30 people injured, well, i don't know what to add here, in fact, unfortunately, it is getting our everyday life, unfortunately, so we have to be ready and such tragic news is always extremely difficult to voice well, dear tv viewers, you have the right to know the truth well, on the air of the espressova tv channel , there is an informational and analytical marathon at the

ninth hour and 46 minutes khrystyna yatskikh, antin berkovsky, all our online guests are in touch with studio oles koval, member of the board of the ukrainian association of chinese studies, mr. olesya, we congratulate you glory to ukraine, if we are talking about china, of course we cannot and do not recall the results of nato and the changing strategy that was adopted there, russia, we will remind, is now recognized in principle as a threat to world security, and china reacted to the change in nato's strategy, noted that nato demonstrates the mentality of the cold war, and it is precisely this that undermines the foundations of world security, well, the foundations that probably existed before february 24 it means what is happening in a global sense between china, the north atlantic alliance of the russian federation, and the united states, congratulations, well , look, this is really a very interesting situation now

, because in fact, after the famous comedian between putin and xizenping on the day of the start of the olympic games, eh, in fact, china has become very eh let's say actively or can we even say with a certain such er with a certain impatience towards nato because until now nato has not occupied any such place in china's foreign policy because that's all well, the european system is a bloc, but with the european organization and the north atlantic one, let's say, but now, this situation is all moving towards asia, because we know that at this summit, the leaders of asian countries, in particular, australia, new zealand, for the first time, and this and this has already rung such a bell for china, but it should be noted that nato does not

perceive china as a threat in comparison with russia, but still interprets it as a challenge, long-term challenges, in principle, the same person has already talked about this nato and the united states and great britain, that is, in fact, nato repeated these statements of its key members and, in principle, it really reacts to changes in china's military policy, firstly, the increase in nuclear potential, which, according to nato, is happening opaque, and secondly, china is accused of cyber warfare and all kinds of hybrid wars using the latest technologies , that is, this worries nato . the aesopian diplomatic language of the people's

republic of china, they repeatedly voiced certain things for the fact that they are for peace and for the establishment, so to speak, of some kind of bubblegum love parity, and so on. calls for some formula of peace, we understand that diplomacy, in particular, is chinese - this is an extremely delicate matter, so we would like to ask you, chinese diplomat, to translate into ukrainian political science what beijing means in our ukrainian-russian confrontation, okay, let's go so really china. in my opinion, china has really found itself in a difficult difficult situation and not since

february 24, but actually since the 14th year. yes, with whom to be, that is, he can be ideologically close to russia, on the other hand, he is already now, well, now now. it is most obvious that he cannot directly support russia in order not to run into western sanctions, because the west is, after all, a more important trade partner for him, for example, what russia on the other hand, ideologically, in his political statements there, he is close to russia, he remains close to russia and ukraine, and if we talk about ukraine, he did not find an approach for ukraine. to make a contribution to a real settlement of this situation, he really convinced putin , for example, to stop the war at the beginning, he convinced putin to start negotiations with ukraine. instead, we know that they did not lead to anything, and

china realized that it was not the time, but something to offer something else, yes, to be here in some way, that 's why for china, for china, it's a very difficult situation for him, and that's why he really shuts himself down with such statements that he is not involved . no no, well, let's say yes, well, it's a hooligan situation , that is, if we speak well, i don't know about the power of chinese arguments. says, well, there, dear, you can be there you follow the rules of behavior in a public place, it goes on, and there is, for example, the position of the united states, which says that it is not possible to actively intervene , and how actively china is ready to intervene, if of course they agree, we are talking about dzlinkin and president joseph biden, because it is also not far away

and we we will and we understand that they will talk not only about taiwan, look here, this is not the case, the question is in what capacity china sees itself in this situation, and it sees itself in this situation in a difficult way because it looks at it the situation is like this. he did not offer any global concept for solving the situation. on the contrary, he criticizes everyone who is doing what, for example , supplying weapons is bad. he says, er, ukraine. on the other hand, the united states very clearly told china in the same way that biden, in a phone conversation with infin, said that if you are a great power, if you claim the status of a great power, you should also take responsibility not only for there matters that directly concern china, but there is really such a conflict between russia and ukraine, and

biden convinced dvinkina that this is not a local conflict that china wants to see, which does not concern the owner of china or the other world, but biden said that you have to choose - the first side of this conflict. well, in this conflict, i am myself. of course, it is necessary to be with the whole world . he will inform yes, he will not be on the side of the west and he will not be on the side of russia, but his contribution will be somehow special, but at the moment we are apart from calls for victory. is there to create or break through a channel for ukrainian grains or something? well, cardigan, as we

see, runs intermediary services, and we don’t even see something like that, mr. olesya, how consistent are the statements coming from the chinese high-ranking officials well, why am i asking because lately we have seen that what is said in public very often does not correspond to reality, as far as i am concerned, the rules of this game were introduced by vladimir putin with all their here and there and so on and so on and now the world is slowly starting play by this proposed rule, but it is interesting in relation to china and its officials well, it is possible that the caution of china's position, well, among all the lights, is due in particular to the fact that in fact, if we project our history, it is to project our history onto the history of china taiwan and china may end up there in the coming years, as the analysts in front of you told us just yesterday, in the role that the russian federation currently plays in relation to us, how

correct do you think it is to compare the case of china, taiwan with the case of russia, ukraine, look, they are the chinese e- e completely deny the possibility of such a comparison, because for china the taiwanese issue is internal, they can most likely compare, for example, taiwan with crimea and ukraine, and that is, that crimea is taiwan. but from their point of view, that is this is the territory that they consider their own. that is, it does not belong to any other state, and every state, any state that recognizes taiwan as an independent country, then it breaks, that is, china, er, breaks diplomatic ties with such a country , that is, china's position on taiwan, for example, is very it's clear whether dependence on taiwan or an attempt to declare independence for taiwan will cause a war, but

it is the taiwanese who can declare independence for taiwan. and no, no, the united states or some other country - this is the first such position, friend the position that china is leaving well, in principle, he has a very clear position on the ukrainian issue, he has several points that they are against intervention, they support territorial , well, against war as a way of winning international disputes, that is, they did not condemn russia, but they condemned the war later they supported the territorial integrity of ukraine, but they did not say that it was within the borders of the internationally recognized borders. and there are also several questions. it can change and move yes, it changes under the fact of the events on the front, that is, when the chinese saw that the ukrainian army was giving eternity, then in fact china too. well, taiwan too, they are very active, for example , studying the experience of combat operations in ukraine, and the indicator

for china, first of all, was that the russian army, on which they were oriented, it turned out to be unable to fight with a small but tired and motivated army, and this is also for china, which also has a large army, it will also be so large. the factor was planned, well, we had such a certain period when the walkie-talkie rang. so we listed the countries that owed us something, and we constantly demanded there from biden, from the sun, from macron, from the dredge, and so on and so on. that is, we calculated who gives us more and who gives us less very often, we evaded the answer or i don't know the correct question. what are we doing and what are we not doing so that these or other countries receive? i think that in the chinese version this would certainly be the most productive approach, that is, we should do so that china wakes up and starts to press more actively. to russia, and it is possible to defend one or another of its

interests in the same black sea basin, we understand that the story of the black sea basin is not only about the water area, it is excavations . more aspect , for example, the problem in general is that since the 13th year, in fact, yes, since the 13th year, ukraine and china actually do not have political relations, do not have political relations, high- level political relations, that is, when the presidents meet prime ministers, ministers of foreign affairs, that is, in fact, such a permanent dialogue has not been held for many years, and that is why ukraine could introduce such a dialogue because, above all, china values ​​trust in international relations, and it had trust in principle with ukraine when, for example, in fact all the weapons, yes, all this military potential

that china has built up over the last 10 years. it owes a lot to ukraine because ukraine also transferred to it the technology for the production of aircraft carriers and deck-based aircraft and amphibious ships and more a lot of things, that is, there was trust in ukraine, in principle, we never inserted it. this is china, if you say what we should be about. yes . that is, we could remind. yes, how much ukraine did for china when it needed support. yes, when it sought to become a great power. by the state, yes, and this is a very big factor, but unfortunately for us, i mean the political leadership, the leadership of ukraine , in recent years, it has not attached key importance to the chinese direction, and that is, in fact, now there is such a situation that we have to start in fact, from the position here, we can even roll back even from the 13th year. that is, we have to start again