greetings, friends, i am vitaliy portnikov and we continue the informational broadcast of the express television channel. i wanted to start our today's conversation with the results of those meetings that took place at the highest level within the group of seven and within the framework of the tonato itself in madrid. moreover, these important meetings have their continuation and in the ukrainian context, in the form of today's speeches of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi and the head of the european commission , they broke the foundation in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but they are forced to start from another from the shelling of odesa again peaceful people were killed, this is of course a huge tragedy, and i would like to express my sincere condolences to all the relatives

of the victims, to all ukrainians who are losing their compatriots, we see that these rocket attacks are not abating and, in principle, this confirms the opinion i expressed a few weeks ago, if a month at the beginning of this war what could the model of the end of the war with russia look like in the event of a ukrainian victory, many think that it will be the signing of some kind of peace agreement that will record the very fact of the absence of russian troops on our land or on most of the ukrainian territory and the impossibility of russia's continuation of military action, from my point of view it will be different, it will be peace that will not

be associated with any obligations on both sides because russia in exchange for peace even if its troops are forced leaving our land will require concessions from ukraine that our country simply cannot make in order not to humiliate its own sovereignty, and these will be concessions of a territorial nature, it will be a demand for ukraine to recognize the russian status of crimea, even if the russians they will be forced to leave the peninsula understand to liberate, except then they will say in moscow i am not talking about others this will be a demand for the neutral status of ukraine so that ukraine recognizes the impossibility not only of joining nato but also of military cooperation with western countries and we

will not be able to do that either but what will we then be able to do exclusively to prevent the russian enigmas from being in our land anymore? and what will the russian invaders do in response , they will continue to fire rockets at our territories and for how long how long will they have enough of these missiles for as long as vladimir putin is in power and what is it or is it our daily reality yes, it is our daily reality for a long time going forward it can be like this we need to reckon with it you need to get used to it, develop a certain hygiene of behavior during aerial attacks, you need to realize that if the russians run out of high-precision missiles, it means a simple thing that

they will bombard ukraine with all that garbage that has been in their warehouses since the 50s of the last century and beyond. and this is not a low-precision missile. this is just a missile. why are there so many of them in russia? i think anyone can understand that once i lived in the soviet union, the soviet union was a state with an extremely inefficient economy, which, however, did not foresee the possibility of unemployment among population, i still, when i talk to people who left the soviet era and were part of the soviet economy, i hear all these words. we worked then, we had a job and a

salary, and i always ask: what did you produce? you were not interested and what did it matter for a soviet person, what does it matter what you produce if they pay salaries for it, what does it matter if it is good quality this is a product and is it necessary this product was a famous song in the 70s of the last century by the russian bard oleksandr halych about the leader of the production of such balos songs who ran around all the ministries of the department with the demand to give his workshop the title of these communist workers, who is already making his products at the expense of the next

ten years, and receives so many sentences and everywhere the refusal and the listener of this song could not understand why ivan petrovich receives a refusal to award his workshop with an honorary title, although this workshop fully meets the requirements in modern times, and only at the end of the song it turned out that it produces barbed wire, which maybe it was not necessary then that at that stage the gulag system, which was the essence of the economy of joseph stalin's time, had already been dismantled, but by inertia, people produced this barbed wire , they were probable in quantity, it was not a parody, it was a reality, the same with these rockets the number of missiles was not needed for any war , especially for a nuclear state which, one way or another, in the event of

an attack on it, can use nuclear weapons in order to stop it. and it is absolutely obvious that when the north atlantic alliance and russia think about real military actions against each other, they think about nuclear the threat is precisely why european countries have so few conventional weapons, because they perfectly understand what will actually happen in the theater of war if a war with russia begins, what then is the danger of tactical nuclear strikes is growing very high. i am not talking about the administrative nuclear strikes between the russian federation and the united states of america, but it was necessary to occupy the soviet people with something, and therefore, like a prickly day, these ancient missiles were riveted in huge numbers, and of course not

only at the factories of the russian federation, military-industrial the complex of the soviet union, which is known to have had its powerful part on ukrainian soil, i do not rule out that now ukrainian-made missiles may arrive for us, made out of the irony of fate, possible in those very years the people on whose heads they fall in this is also a sad grimace of our history today, and this is also a reality with which you need not to agree, but to understand it as a danger, the vast majority of ukrainians believe that the victory of ukraine in the war should be the return of all our territories

occupied in 2014 as well as the territories that were captured by the enemy during the first campaign. i agree that this is exactly a victory plus , of course, euro-atlantic integration, which will also be supported by the majority of our compatriots it is obvious that it is so. but at the same time, we must remember that such a victory may never be recorded on paper in the form of some kind of real peace with the russian federation. there are different forms of peaceful coexistence, and if we often

turn to israel with its example, we can see that let's say israel signed a peace agreement with a part of the arab countries located on its borders. in this way, it secured its borders with egypt from jordan, this is a very important part of security, but it has not yet been possible to sign a peace agreement with this from lebanon, does israel control its borders with these states, so in the case of syria, it even controls the strategic plateau of the dutch heights, which from the point of view of international law is part of the syrian republic and from which israel was shelled constantly until the moment when the israeli troops were deployed, but this does not prevent the grays from continuing

believe that israel does not exist where it exists of course, now that chile is in the field of civil war, it does not pose a threat to israel, but it is not known what will happen in the future of chile with whom they tried to sign a peace treaty, but it was thwarted by strong radical forces who even killed the president of lebanon, who was already ready to put his signature on it, but from the territory of lebanon not so often, but there are rocket attacks on the territory of israel or the territory of the palestinian authority with the leadership of which also a long time ago, a peace agreement was signed to find ways of coexistence, but the victory at least in part of the territory of radical alimony led to the fact that israel, which defended its sovereignty, proved its right to exist

that it cannot be destroyed through military aggression , it is constantly under a rain of rockets from the territory of the gas sector, where the power of one of the radical palestinian movements, hamas, is located in another territory, on the territory of the west bank of the jordan river, where the majority of the palestinian population is located, there is no such threat of rocket fire , and there is no fruitful political dialogue, unfortunately, but there is coexistence of israel with this large part of the palestinian authority, but not with the other, and the israelis are used to the reality when rocket shelling suddenly becomes a part of their life. i think that this is a significant contribution to your own security when you realize where you are. can this situation ever subside, of course it can, first of all, this is a

matter of changes in russia, changes in the political regime, sooner or later it may arise. i don't know because how much in a year, in five years, in 10 years, in 15 years, but the threat to ukraine may be open , why not, and then these missile attacks, the deaths of the civilian population, all this will stop at another moment. this is an effective anti-missile defense, we have to realize that we will spend most of our budget on the army in ukraine, there will never be a post-soviet-type welfare state with benefits and help for the needy sections of the population, all this is in the past, which will never become the future, ukraine will now spend money to protect the population from of possible death and a possible repetition of the war, which until the signing of real agreements with russia will always

be waiting at our doorstep, greedy for our lives to protect citizens from missile shelling, which as a phenomenon can be preserved even when the russian army leaves our land , and this is also a reality that we need to get used to, which is part of the civilizational dimension, i would say. what are the questions that he fully answered

then continued his thinking? so, oleksiy lutskyi, mr. vitaly, you often said that we are now dependent on the financial authorities of the european union, therefore, in the plan , our authorities will have to make do with bruce, is it possible to appoint professional professionals, the new government composition of the normal head of the security service of ukraine, the head of the sap and so on, has zelensky outgrown how they wrote their government in the dog or wait for a change of the head of state, but according to the words of serhiy from the e-e course and vitaliy sycha from radio nv, they are fluent in them for 350 people's deputies, there is still a lot to change in the constitution, when the understanding will come that we need to stop living in poverty and believed that everything will take place by itself, that it is necessary to work for a long time on changes in the state in israel, they also believed that it is necessary to appoint the head of the state was called einstein for this position, and

then it became clear that everything is not so simple. no one will build a desert oasis. they have to think for themselves. well , first of all, i have to say that no one in israel ever believed that it was necessary to appoint a genius to the head of the state, oleksiy, they are very good do you know the history of the state of israel, the position of the president of the state of israel is a ceremonial position, the real head of the state after the declaration of its independence was the authoritative leader of the labor movement from ben gurion, who did not really want to see him in the position of head state some kind of political strong position, first the president of israel, let him all be recognized as the leader of this city movement, his rolitionisms were huge, but his function as the head of israel of the israeli state was reduced literally to zero, it was a presentation position, even the constitution after the death of weizmann , different figures were considered even when the hetman was

elected the president of israel offered this position to the honorary albert einstein as hetman who einstein was a scientist and after hetman remained a winemaker, he could have remained after einstein einstein did not want no ceremonial positions although he supported the creation of israel, israel was a complex democracy from day one with the struggle of various political forces, no one expected any genius on the facade of the head of state in a country that began its existence with the war for independence and is now relatively dependent on the european union. well, maybe you saw today's speech by the head of the european commission, mrs. ursula fonduline, in the verkhovna rada, who reminded us what we need to do to further develop relations with the european union. by the way

first, she mentioned the law on media, and this is a very important thing that you and i should remember, because media freedom is the main guarantee of the normal existence of any civilized state, she clearly spoke about this law, and the president, by the way, said that he demands from the deputies to support even unpopular laws with the aim of promoting ukraine to the european union, etc. and what can we say about the media law? i want to remind you about the petition that you see now on the screen. digital broadcasting of the espresso tv channel direct and fifth without freedom of speech ukraine will remain on the doorstep of the european union and no negotiations will begin help the authorities to correct

bureaucratic arbitrariness the more the president talks about it and the more the majority of ukrainians, as we can see from sociology, consider freedom of speech indispensable as a guarantee of a democratic state regarding all these issues, the new composition of the government, the new head of the security service of ukraine , friends, i remind you again, we speak to oleksiy , restless times continue, brutal war, nobody no one knows how long it will go, no one knows what damage it will cause to the economic potential of the state, no one knows how many people will remain in ukraine after the end of this war, no one knows what territory will be able to control and develop an independent ukraine after the end of this war. the tests are not over, but only begins, the russian federation will do everything in its power to destroy the ukrainian state in

the coming months and possibly years, all political issues, all real sociology in these the chances will be considered only after we can understand to someone where we are after the end of the war, we like to say after the victory, i still emphasize that after the end of the war, the war ends with victories and defeats, i believe in the ukrainian victory, but he insists that the political the process will begin only after the end of the war and may be inexorable to the power that was in power during the war, even if this power is the power of the victors, because the power of the victor can meet with such social impoverishment and with such a collapse of hopes after the war that we do not even imagine the scale of the catastrophe that can await us after the victory and the scale of disappointments, and

it is important for all of us to fight together with the government for ukraine to emerge from the economic and social collapse after the war. why is this now it's commenting, looking for people for positions, thinking about what the government will look like when we don't even know which territory this government will take care of , seriously, we just have to be realistic, many lives as if she does not have it, as it was after the 14th year, there is a war and it will be and we do not know when it will end, it will not end with a peace agreement , most likely we have a cruel and insidious enemy who is preparing to lose so that she can destroy and this enemy uses absolute with the full support of its own population, which understands that it is returning its historical lands, it is possible to tolerate as long as it takes for only the russian flag to appear on the

polish border, the russians are ready to fight for their own lands, as they believe the ukrainian lands are warlike, do not change their desire. do not think that they are just witnesses of this situation. no, they are not witnesses. they are a supporter of mr. vitaly . it happened on the direct instruction of government officials in the usa that at one time nuland personally appointed yatsenyuk to the post of prime minister of ukraine, where did the department allocate 5 billion dollars for the coup of ukraine? you can do it somehow comment, i can comment on what i do, why should i comment, it's delusional, we all live in this country, why should we comment on russian propaganda , the united states has

no great interests in ukraine, and you have to be a person who does not see what geography is, look at the map to understand that even if to imagine that the russian federation would have spread to a dozen regions of ukraine or belarus in the united states, it was not cold, not hot, but seriously, their 16 are rooting precisely for democracy, for international law, for the right nations to determine their destiny so long ago, since the second world war, if not the first, the united states plays such a role in world politics. the maidan of 2016-2014 took place before our eyes. it is possible that it was the employees of the ministry of railways who made yanukovych's decision to abandon european integration. went to the maidan to beat students, maybe a million people went to the maidan in khreshchatyk at the request of victoria nova well, what about the appointment of arseny otseniak as prime minister

of ukraine, i personally participated in the meeting of the maidan council, which approved recommending to the verkhovna rada and the maidan itself the new composition of the coalition government of the national democratic forces, supported by the majority of deputies, and there was not a single american diplomat at this meeting of the maidan council, so people who wash like that do not speak and you can simply call them idiots because you cannot have eyes to see and repeat all this nonsense. if someone tells you this, just advise this person to consult a psychiatrist last time you did something dodged the question of whether the finns did the right thing in march 1940 when they went to peace with the stalinists without regard to subsequent events. if you were in charge of finland in march 1940, would you have signed a territorial concession or continued the war? thank you, mr. volodymyr, i do not understand how it is possible respond to some events comment on some events without relation to those events

that were in the stream do you want me to answer the event to the question that i would do if i were the president of finland in march 3640 and not would know what the events would be called, but the president of finland furiously knew what the events would be called because he met with hermann heringo and told heringo that he would agree to the russian conditions in the soviet language because germany would later help finland return all its territories to helsinki , they were sure in march 1940 and further into the possibility of a conflict between the soviet union and germany, and by the way, they were absolutely not mistaken in this calculation, because when the finns gave

part of the territory to the soviet union, they were they are sure that they returned this part of the territory very quickly , they returned it because when, or in june 341, the soviet union attacked the soviet union, germany attacked the soviet union . unlike germany's aggression against the soviet union, these actions of finland were welcomed by a large part of the international community , including the united states, who believed that finland had every right to regain its territory. how do you were captured by the soviet union in the winter, well, later on , you know, the situation changed, and finland had to leave those territories that it promised to the soviet union in the 40th year and those territories that it occupied already after 1641. so this history cannot be considered as such yet had a

continuation, i am absolutely sure that stalin had clear plans for the continuation of the war against finland after 1640, that is why the cyrillic-finnish ssr was created under the leadership of otto colesing, and i think that the soviet troops would have returned if not the second world war to finland again as a thief, which as they are, how russian troops returned to ukraine after 314 and that finland would still be occupied by soviet troops later, no big conclusions from the fact that the russians were beaten there and that they already understood no one in the kremlin did not simply continue the war at that time. it was in the interests of the soviet union. they stopped approximately as putin stopped in 2014. finland was essentially doomed in the 1940s, but then there were other events, then there was after the second world war, the allies were interested in the fact that finland came out of the war because it fought on the side of nazi germany

. security guarantees in finland were given not only by stalin, but also by the soviets, they were joint soviet-british guarantors, that is why finland wants to lose part of its territory . as you know, she was able to preserve the sovereignty of such strange forms of political indexation, but she was able to preserve understanding , all this must be considered in a complex way, so if you, mr. volodymyr, are hinting at the question of whether ukraine should make peace with russia now and lose part of the territory but answered clearly russia does not need a part of the ukrainian territories russia needs the destruction of the ukrainian state as the soviet union needed the destruction of finland in 1940 and the peace between russia differential or temporary peace which if not the second world war would still end with the accession of finland to the soviet union as to your the union republic as a part of the kyrillo-finnish ssr, which was already prepared for this if peace with russia is signed on the basis of the loss of part of our

territories and ukraine does not become a member of the northern the russians will pass through the atlantic union again and take another part of our territory until the moment they reach lviv, they will fight and this will continue for ten years. so here part of the territory will not save anyone, it will just postpone death and i will even say this when it can be signed by me i will clearly tell the people who will rejoice at the peace that your death is waiting for you behind the door, well, there are other options. so when ukraine becomes a member of nato in such a reduced territorial form, but they behave that it is not for this it will just be necessary to sign some kind of peace or not to sign by execution of the territories, but the official waiver in our constitution of those territories that we will not control at this moment, i do not think that the ukrainian public opinion is ready for war before this, i sent everyone your incredible video language is like a treasure where in the second

minute, you say that russian-speaking ukraine will become russia. how do you assess that forecast now? how is it happening in our eyes? how do you see that russia is trying to do everything possible to conquer ukraine under the pretext of a common fate, a common history of all that and as you can see that now in the ukrainian society in the region of strymka , the separation from russian culture is growing rapidly, this is absolutely logical because the civilizational russian state did everything possible starting from the very first day after the pereyaslav council so that ukrainians stopped being ukrainian and it is absolutely logical. so i appreciate it. it is absolutely clear. it is repeated once again that no bilingual ukraine will be able to exist, but i hope that now the willingness to switch to ukrainian language to be