i'm watching on february 23, this all happens at transformer substations and stops, so to speak, the flow is absolutely. that's why, from a technical point of view, it's all possible further . when we synchronized with the european energy system of the disconnected russian system, we spent some time there, a month could be isolated. as for the instruments of influence on the russians, you are demanding how the un structure is, only this is a deep uneasiness, and there are no real instruments yet in march, in my opinion, our prime minister called on the rich and the un to organize the blue helmets together with the meanings of the rich and the permanent

presence of all nuclear plants. this was the beginning. by rafael grote 20 on april 26 of this year, when the sad man came in connection with the anniversary of the chernobyl accident, he also announced that some effective tools are needed in order for such missions to enter and together with the blue helmets of ounovsky the nuclear power plant was occupied where it was occupied, and there is also a 30-kilometer zone and a no-fly zone over our nuclear plants, but in order to implement all of this, it is necessary for the state of ukraine to write an official appeal to the un at the beginning of the security council. that is why the question is about giving a mandate to the blue fairy tales, they came together from the mission, rich, uh, well, it’s clear that russia, what kind of

permanent member of the security council will impose on it , accordingly , the general uh-uh assembly should be convened, that’s it, but i didn’t hear so that it was official, not for the media, how were the statements, and so that the corresponding letter was addressed to the organization of the united us, that's why i see it as the only mechanism now, money, he also said this when he met with president zelensky in april that he was worried about the situation at the zaporizhia station not only from the point of view of accounting and control of nuclear material as an element of control of the implementation of the treaty of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons . that's why he talked about the fact that he is communicating with the ukrainian side in order to send such a complex mission, not

only will there be inspectors for accounting and control of nuclear materials, but also those who assess safety because emergency preparedness is also destroyed er , the supply chain of spare parts and consumables is broken, er, it is not clear how repairs are carried out, because er, it is outsourced. as a rule, repair companies cannot enter the occupied territory. the station itself is limited the amount of work can be done, and of course the physical protection is completely destroyed because the right-hand platforms are located, military outsiders , including a representative, heavy equipment is being built in them, built around nuclear plants are mined, will you tell me, eh, in the area of ​​open distribution devices, everything is also mined there they are digging, and including this anti-aircraft missile weapon, they are placing it there, so

this question is difficult, but it seems to me that it is solvable, and what concerns the security itself missions that the ukrainian side can't really provide, it seems to me that security can only be provided by blue fairy tales o.s. thank you very much, ms. olga, you are the only expert who indicated an extremely clear plan of action. let's hope that our ukrainian politicians will hear you. this is an extremely serious story and will mobilize in every possible way. that this is not a matter of a declaration, but a matter of extremely specific actions. we hope that all possible mechanisms will be used accordingly, mr. dmytro, what is the situation with the occupying policy, because it is very is often based on the distribution of passports and they want to build not only fortifications, so to speak, with e-e defense structures as such, they also

want to legitimize themselves by issuing passports in this way, please tell me something about this, and clarify the information about the presence of mines in the vicinity of the nuclear plant and in general preparing the enemy for the fact that sooner or later they will be surrounded, i do not assume that they will fire at the station with the aim of knocking out the enemy, but we understand that if the gulyaipol plan is implemented, so to speak orihiv and so on and so on and there to the south, well, the enemy will be forced to flee so as not to end up in the cauldron, so well, as for the issue of passports themselves, we already hear such a story and such a story for the first month and the distribution of 10,000 rubles is an unprotected message population. also, we heard. but now all this has stopped. as for passport data, they are actively collecting it, and i do not include the

possibility that these pieces of paper will start to be distributed, as for the construction of partitioning structures and the mining of a certain area around the nuclear power plant . station, yes, it really is, it is confirmed by some sources and directly representatives of employees working at the nuclear plant also say something about what is happening around and on the territory of the sanitary protection zone of the nuclear plant, regarding the possibility of the possibility of departure and entry, so today this possibility is difficult because the occupiers release everyone, they have a list of those people whom they prohibit from leaving, and unfortunately not all of them are allowed to pass the goods and the humanitarian component, that's why the situation it's quite tense. and from the point of view of the security

situation at the station itself and in the city, and we understand that energodar is a specific city and we don't have a heating period like in ordinary cities, boilers, the heating station is no longer working , that is, a third of the city is already there will be no heating. if something happens with the switching of the nuclear power plant , the city may be left without heating and hot water supply in the winter, that is, the situation is quite critical. how will the russian troops leave before the occupation? well, we we hope that we understand that energodar remains somewhat like this. it is located quite far from the line of potential de-occupation , that is, from the kherson, zaporozhye, and vasylkiv areas. if the occupation goes to support, there will be something here, for example, a boiler , and the occupiers will have there is nowhere to go, so we

hope that of course they will leave somewhere in the direction of melitopol, probably in order not to be surrounded by ukrainian troops, so well, but when it will happen, we don't know, let's hope that it will be sooner than later to clarify and with whom they build their fortifications , we understand that, well, one thing is that they cannot fully involve their budzagons there because they lack manpower, maybe they do not use certain janissaries from the local population, well, practice is about collaborators, there are not many of them and they they are not used to working. and regarding the fact that they force them to perform certain economic works in the fortifications for the purpose of fortification, local entrepreneurs and utility workers are also actively

they attract such prisoners of war who defended the nuclear power plant. and now they are actually in such unofficial captivity because they use them almost as slaves. yes, it really is. thank you, mr. dmytro. well, there is information. that they are draining the cooling basins of the nuclear plant mrs. olgovych, what is the danger, for what purpose are they doing it about the occupiers, and indeed dmitriy spoke about what they are putting out people and mocking them and so on for cooling eh and eh acceleration energodar is quite enough in the

steppe zone and hot especially in summer, so there is such a system eh razryzgivanie there these pools are not very deep and in order to make sure that there are no weapons that the energodar re-defense allegedly threw or the employees of the station can use divers to the bottom. yes, it’s not very deep, but to drain it, i think it’s insane, perfect because uh, water is needed, even here the blocks don’t work. nuclear fuel is located in the holding pools at the reactor in which the spent fuel is located. how will it be sent to dry storage? it should stay there for several years, so i think that the representative of rasatom understands the danger of draining these pools

and it seems to me that this is more , after all, an informational psychological operation of russia, to intimidate and terrorize or energodar and ukraine. on the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel, thank you very much for voicing this undoubtedly resonant information, but on the air of the espresso tv channel , the marathon will continue for 9 hours and 40 minutes, the second of july, attention, on july 2, we will switch from june to july, on july 2 , saturday, we will now add yehor chernev of the people's deputy head of the calm delegation of ukraine in the nato parliamentary assembly glory to ukraine glory to the heroes i am glad to have the opportunity to speak with you well, just now we and the experts discussed the

situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant they say that i have to share information from the wheels with you, they say that we should increase our presence as much as possible, we are talking about the organization of the united nations and we need to somehow speed up the process regarding the possible establishment of a demilitarized zone at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, and it is possible that a contingent of blue helmets be deployed there the un expert, nuclear energy expert olga koshharna, is talking about this, because otherwise a disaster can happen. well, all the more so because the enemy is now trying to prepare at an accelerated pace for the possible removal of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant from the ukrainian power system to the russian system, mr. igo, are there any prospects for mobilizing something somehow very quickly in that direction, from that we are starting to talk about the threat of the dangerous behavior of the russian federation in relation to

nuclear power plants, we are talking with our partners at at all levels, not only from the un, but the megatep knows about it, and we also talk about it at the nato level. but really, the problem here is that the only bodies that can introduce the peacekeeping contingent itself is the organization of the united nations, but we see that it is enough. let's be honest, they are enough for today, because the un security council is composed of the russian federation, which imposes any decision related to ukraine, related to the war in ukraine , the general assembly of the united nations does not support such a decision by all its members. that is, there are still um well, if not supporters, then sympathizing. let's say that the

russian federation is not not many countries but all that's why they don't currently have the ability to decide in this way either to demilitarize or introduce some blue helmets hmm unfortunately unfortunately our international legal system works somehow like a lame duck today well, we are working a peace-free system in particular, it is about the euro-atlantic alliance that ended itself, yes, and you are the person who heads our delegation in the nato parliamentary assembly. i think you know very well what was on the table, it is interesting, it is less about the nato summit , then it was all discussed and what was, so to speak, in on the sidelines, that is, what was the salon about? so, igor would like to ask you to tell us what to expect specifically for ukraine as a result of this quite successful summit

. ukraine was included in this strategic concept that was praised at the nato summit. it is mentioned here for the first time twice in the sense that it should be an independent strong a-a sovereign state e-e and this means that nato sees ukraine exclusively as such and this means that we must win and nato, including nato member countries, will help us a-a in everything so that this victory was close that is, it is the armament and it is not the air aid through the trust funds that er provides precisely as an organization and bilateral meetings and bilateral support between ukraine and er nato member countries, all this was also agreed upon. i think that the biggest result of this meeting of this

meeting, this is exactly what is the confirmation, let's say so, of the decision that was made at rammstein iii that ukraine should switch to nato standards completely in terms of weapons, and we are already partially switching by receiving various heavy weapons from different countries but i think, i hope that in the near future we will move completely and this means that well, we will have conditionally unlimited access to e-e and ammunition of the same 155 caliber for artillery and to other weapons because, well, for today, unfortunately, the soviet weapons, soviet ammunition, it is running out, and well, for one day, we do not need to switch to these standards as soon as possible, and, of course, what is very important is that it changed the

wording, changed the approaches, changed the relationship with the russian federation from partnership to recognition and of the russian federation as a threat as the greatest threat to euro-atlantic security and this means absolutely such a reversal of nato in the direction of militarization because, in fact, it is the start of such a cold war 2:0 and this is the strengthening of the eastern flank of nato - this is an increase in the defense spending, increasing defense budgets, developing plans for a possible possible collision in the event of aggression by the russian federation with nato member countries, that's all, and it is tentatively beginning to concentrate in the appropriate direction, which is extremely pleasing, although it is not final solves all our problems related to the russian

federation, because ukraine, unfortunately, is still not a member of the alliance oleksiy goncharenko, we are joined by a people's deputy, the vice-president of the committee of couples. glory to ukraine, mr. goncharenko , please share your impressions of what to expect in ukraine, first of all in ukraine as a result of the spanish nato summit. well, i had the honor to be there, er, see with my own eyes, meet there, communicate, er, i can say that i have such double feelings, well, the main thing is definitely this and joy from the strategic changes that took place, and this is even more than just recognizing russia as an enemy, but it is, in principle, some new breath of the free world, it was directly felt in the air of the joining of finland and sweden, for the first time in history, the

prime minister of japan took part in the nato summit, australia, new zealand, and south korea were also leaders. well, the unification of the free world is happening right before our eyes because, in fact, in my opinion, the third world war has begun - it is a war between the free world and let's put it this way not the free world and the free world finally began to unite and develop and well, it will really be able to move on to and in the following serious actions, because from the economic point of view the free world absolutely dominates . it is definitely very gratifying that even after the annexation of crimea, russia remained a partner, but finally nato has already called things by their names, that this is the biggest direct threat to all nato member countries, and here i absolutely agree with mr. yegorov, this is very important and

the name and the words that further determine the actions and why do i say mixed feelings well, because ah, if you can call the new concept of nato absolutely, well, so new, yes, really strategic and anti-russian, call it strongly pro-ukrainian i wouldn’t dare and it’s not the same thing - still for us it is close today considering that russia is waging an aggressive war against us, but after all it is not one and the same thing, they are upset that there is no mention of an action plan regarding nato membership or a possible other way for ukraine to join nato and ukraine is mentioned four times times two times in the context of the war, twice in the context of the fact that the people of bucharest themselves, yes, it is his decision, that is, nato's door remains open well, but no more than that , and in fact we are mentioned there on the same level as georgia, bosnia and herzegovina. well, i would like to see more,

and in that package of documents what do you say? we would all like to see more well, but there are such incomprehensible signals that i do not fully understand, from the part of certain representatives in offices that are close to the centers of strategic decision -making, in particular, it begins i don't know if it's a criticism or something, a bit of an attack on the nato fans. yes, it was. there was quite such a resonant statement from the interview of igor zhovkva . yesterday, stefanishina was not too pleased, so to speak, that is, i would like to find out, uh, nato doesn't want us or we're not enough we want nato, we are talking about certain political processes, so to speak, and mr. yehor and mr. oleksiy comment, please, so that the audience understands what is happening there, our strategic course on donato is not going

anywhere, it is not going anywhere and we are leaving yesterday, and the president including this was confirmed by the same zhovkva after the nato summit. and just as i was talking about the fact that we are going to nato, but here you need to understand. and by the way, since 2008, we have been carrying out annual national programs that are actually part of the plan actions regarding membership, that is, by that fact, we fulfill de jure. we do not have this. unfortunately, the recipient of this status receives the recipient of this pdp, and even today, after the pdp, sweden and finland without pdp will be members, become members . nato also opens such a window of opportunity for us let's say this in order to at least talk about it with partners, that there is a precedent possible. let 's not through the pdc, but through some specific list of reforms, a list of indicators. let's do

what ukraine needs to do in order to become a member of nato and in principle. from what i see from what i hear ah hmm there is some dialogue on this matter, that is, for sure we will need to do some more homework, it won't be if with sweden and finland, but already well i don't see such skepticism as there was before the 24th of february. well you still need reform reform reform and so on and so on, but all of us must understand that all this will be possible only after the end of the war, after we win this war, because no nato member country will vote today on the accession of ukraine, which is with war. that is, it means to bring war to the alliance and we must clearly understand it. and here is the shot of war. i think that there is and will remain a window of opportunity and we must

run very quickly to adopt the necessary reforms and become well, as they once joked, this is after our victory will already be too eager to join the irpin defense, but we understand. so, anyway, the question of the possible non-aligned status of ukraine is walking in one or another negotiation corridors, we do not forget about it, because it is possible that it will also be one of the formulas, if i don’t know there, our victory will be delayed in time, oleksiy what do you think is happening both with ukraine's accession to nato and with nato's reaction to the prospect of ukraine's membership? and the prospect of using these negotiations in general regarding the so-called non-aligned status, even though it would it went against our constitution. well, you know, i agree with mr. egorov and i don’t agree.

can ukraine become a member of nato today during the war? it’s absolutely true that it can’t, but we cannot become members of the european union today during the war. we also have to admit this while it lasts. war by the members of the european union, and we became a candidate and received an action plan regarding nato membership, but we could also absolutely receive some more well, not just more. the end of the war, well, it was a wording that was very comforting to me, but it is not there, it must be admitted, speaking further about the mood. look, it seems to me that they are discussing . the representative of ukraine at the summit was attacked, and i believe that the president should be there. i understand everything that there is a war now, but all the same, sooner or later

the president will start leaving the country for a few days, and that was, well, the key thing is that he is actually historical the most important since the time of the cold war, when will the next one be? well, maybe in a year it will be just as important, or maybe not, that's why it was such a unique opportunity . i think that well, they would go for a bigger concession and not a bigger decision, well, if even the president can't, well, it could be the prime minister, there were many heads of governments, uh, but there was no prime minister , and with all due respect to mr. zhovkva, deputy chairman of the president's office. it's still not the level that i would like to see the representation of ukraine there. well, when all the heads of state are there exclusively, and it seems to me that it would be correct and i don't really understand why such a decision was made, and this is the

first and second well, we all listened to the president's address to the summit and the video address, and he didn't say take us, that is, after all, everything starts with our such a clear, clear position, if we, when we talk about the european union, we say we want to be a member of the european union, period, we are worthy of it point well, that is, we have an absolutely clear offensive position and it has given results. many countries have not seen us as a candidate, but ukraine pressed and pressed and pressed and pressed. in a week, ihoryok says that it is not necessary or not necessary at nato itself, he is absolutely nothing, but something interrupted oleksia in nato. please repeat the last sentence because there were

problems with me. heard that we should become a member of nato and this is very good, but let's ask ourselves questions and compare the rhetoric of ukraine regarding the european union in the last four months and the rhetoric of ukraine regarding nato . we ask a lot and they don't really take it. that's how i would formulate what i see today regarding ukraine's entry into the well, i'm just assuming that the issue of non-aligned status really lies on a certain negotiating table. i don't know if it will be a mainstream line but we we understand that in the kremlin they just bang their heads on the table top when they hear the word that ukraine can integrate and become a member of the euro-atlantic alliance. that is, we also have to take this

moment into account. i would ask mr. launched for obtaining a state license was launched a long time ago and an application for obtaining a state license we even filled out twice, renewed it several years ago, from our side , all the formal procedures have been completed. well, and if we compare with the candidate, then the application was not applied, it was signed like this 115 days ago and this process was included here in our eyes, ah, hmm, the situation with nato is somewhat different and we, uh, since the 14th year, uh, we have been talking about the fact that we we want to be in we don't want to be outside the bloc. we want to be in nato. but uh, every time. unfortunately, we hear that. nato is very open. it confirms its open

-door policy and that's all. to this day, i'll tell you , yes, i had a lot there. meetings at the parliamentary level with various parliamentarians different countries starting from the 24th and i can compare what i heard before the 24th, relatively speaking, there last year at the same nato parliamentary elections and rather now. and these are again two big differences because, uh, before, it's a pity, dear people deputies, i have to interrupt our communication, but the editors just informed me that we have a solemn moment of transition to news with red. thank you very much. i hope that in the near future we will continue the analysis of this extremely important story oleksiy goncharenko people's deputy visa president of the parye committee, yehor chernyav, people's deputy, head of the permanent delegation of ukraine to the parliamentary assembly