to this people is absolutely baseless in many germans and we understand what this led to, but caricatures can play a very propagandistic role, but also a positive one, which they play now in ukraine, because we know that oppression in particular needs to be laughed at so that it is not so terrible in order to to win of course you need to laugh more and be less afraid of what we are doing now with you this is how i end my broadcast stay with espresso because my colleague antinburkovskyi is already preparing to tell you that what he was preparing to tell you about, for sure, it will be important and interesting, as always, that's all, i say goodbye to you. have a good, productive day. greetings, dear viewers, during the next television hour on the air of the espresso tv channel, we will analyze the most important events, of course, we are talking about the conclusion of the madrid nato summit, at the same time, we

understand that heavy weapons and heavy artillery weapons finally began to arrive, and we understand that with joint forces, well, first of all, of course, thanks to the heroism of our soldiers, we succeeded to help the russians show the so-called good will. of course, i am being ironic. and to get off the same snake island, on the other hand, we understand that the spanish nato summit demonstrates a fundamentally new approach to the russian threat. the members of the euro-atlantic alliance are ready to take measures as soon as possible to defend the same lithuania, latvia or estonia is so from buchansky or irpinsky syndrome about this about other roman bezsmertnyi and andriy piontkovskyi watch tv channel espresso and now on tv channel espresso roman bezsmertnyi ukrainian politician, diplomat, former extraordinary plenipotentiary, ambassador to the republic of belarus, we will

talk about the most urgent and possibly painful issues. glory to ukraine, mr. roman, glory to the heroes . so, we understand that the epoch-making, without exaggeration, the so-called madrid itself took place, where nato completely changed its concept, the concept of not releasing one of its members which, for example, will be attacked by russia. yes, do it immediately , that is, the united states will increase its contingents accordingly, the euro-atlantic machine will go in the right direction, but unfortunately we understand that to a large extent the west has woken up because of our blood, our suffering and our war, this is really a serious event, it is a turning point and a turning point, it is also in the fate of nato, i think of the european community . the fact is that the refrain of the summit is two

positions it is obvious that the key threat to europe and russia and the key threat to the world is china, and it is necessary to pay attention to the fact that representatives of asian countries were also present at the summit, which immediately caused an emotional reaction in beijing. place in the fact that what determines the significance of this summit is the actual decision on ukraine and this is a long-term program, and it is with a clear reference that ukraine will receive as much and as much time as it will be necessary to achieve victory over russia and it is very important to hear so much and the time it will take to achieve victory over russia, and because from my

point of view, in these two programs, in these two approaches, lies the answer to the question of ukraine's future membership in nato and me a little i was surprised, i'll put it mildly. yes, the internal discussion in ukraine about the topic of dayosh, nato, or are we not going there, it somehow developed in such a parallel way in very, from my point of view, unpleasant slogans and slogans, mr. roman, from the last signals, it was the phrase of deputy zhovkva the head of the presidential office, who, so to speak, quite skeptically assessed our prospects and, in general, whether we should integrate into nato due to inaction on the part of this structure, i was not surprised by this statement, because if it was done by analyst a if it was done by just an opposition politician or an outsider, but it could have been

ignored, but uh, making such statements is incorrect from the point of view of the status of a public servant, therefore, from my point of view, it was necessary to do so because such things are unacceptable, especially at the stage when preparations for the summit were underway, i will now say about things that are clearly visible in those decisions and in those actions that took place these days, because it is impossible to detach from what was torn away at the nato summit, but delicate, as the americans said the conversation between president zelenskyi and the big seven even more, i will say an even more delicate conversation between president zelenskyi and at the nato summit, and here it is necessary to be as businesslike as possible, as consistent as possible, and as correct as possible in

defining needs and joint plans and prospects, i will emphasize here the word constructive, even because the decisions made by nato clearly indicate how they see the prospects, they see the prospects together with ukraine. at today's stage, when you notice what i will say now, nato is so independently ready to confront russia, as well as ukraine, must understand this well, and therefore the ability to oppose russia is provided by the alliance of ukraine, nato and the united states of america. this must be clearly understood, because if you now analyze the sum of the statements made by the president of the united states of america regarding the placement of new squadrons of the naval fleet in

europe regarding new aviation divisions in relation to the new units of the ground forces, then it becomes clear who will be responsible for filling this figure of 300,000, hence the logic suggests that only interaction at this stage, the constructive interaction of ukraine , nato and the united states of america at the current stage will allow deterring aggressiveness at the next stage will allow to deliver a serious blow and at the third stage to achieve victory pay attention i want everyone to understand this yes no in ukraine yes no in nato yes no in in the usa, no one formed the content of the victory over russia, this means that in fact everyone is absolutely doomed to come

together and together correctly come up with a strategy and tactics for achieving victory, mr. roman, i am with you i agree, you said the key phrase is the content of the victory over russia, because we understand that depending on how to decipher and how to embroider this formula , accordingly, the framework negotiating position will also be the same, and we understand very well with you that the negotiations once began, the so-called bialowieza negotiations, now they are smooth as if would be moving to istanbul and as if it is only about the grain of its transportation where the blocking actually we understand what is happening extremely powerful negotiating diplomatic track about it few people speak, but you and i understand what is being said about politics. explain, please. what do you think is happening in istanbul? the fact is that

when we talk about this so-called istanbul track as the inheritance of many things, it is from the point of view of the practice of western politics, and there is always gave a chance to those who left the coils to introduce themselves constructively and therefore the first if i were to evaluate the istanbul trok track - this is a chance for the kremlin to behave constructively even in such a dangerous situation, this is the first argument, the second must be understood that turkish president erdoğan, like any leader of this type, dreams of re-election in the current situation, any even minimal economic movements, especially in the energy market, will mean a minus for him, because his bustle in this process,

which plays the role of a locomotive, is the second component, which is more demonstrative than demonstrative real, from my point of view, about this bustle in the corner of which is the topic of the export of ukrainian grain, it is already a complete failure ahead, but here it is necessary to pay attention to the fact that this behavior is based not only for president erdoğan's own political interests, and also for the fact that there is a group of states in the world that you remember once upon a time there was such a group called a group of countries that did not join, which included india and yugoslavia, well, cuba is there and that is a dash, it needs a whole number of states yes, in a strange way, but the messages announced by the president of indonesia, who

visited ukraine this week, the prime minister of india and the president of turkey, they coincide, but there is nothing special here, because this means that, first of all, in this case we are talking about erdogan is using the political situation in order to achieve some gains india, which pay attention even last year, a month ago , the prime minister of india said that india has solved a number of crisis issues, such as food, medical care, technological support, and so on at the eu summit at the press conference, he began each of his speeches with the phrase india is a very poor country and therefore it cannot afford the first second third

. pay attention to the message sent by the president of indonesia. they are exactly like that. indonesia is one of of the poorest countries in the world, it cannot afford to act in this way. and the fact that the tis and the brics themselves were happening in parallel, almost together, where there were individual persons here and there, well, such as the prime minister of india in particular, indicates that in the group of these countries who cannot cut the umbilical cord with russia, but dream of being democratic states and working with the civilized world. today, we are searching for our place, our position, if not at our expense, mr. romanov, we understand that the process is also going on and we are tired of war and any a message that is thrown in very often deliberately by putin

about the fact that here he is preparing to offer something and so on, you know it's like a shooting gallery when people are shown a chance for salvation, which is not known, how it ends. usually it ends badly, but this is an old practice, i accept this argument i emphasize that the leadership positions now in the policy of relations and evaluations of the kremlin are occupied by washington and the reference point of the entire civilized world goes to washington, the decisions made by nato make these leadership positions without pivotal because the decision made by the european union, the big seven, the next nato, they even have any option. after three years of elections in the united states of america, they maintain this vector of development and the status of the position of russia and

the necessary assistance of ukraine in all components, and so on. it is necessary to pay attention to the things that are connected and the events that are taking place in central asia, e.e., the asia-pacific region, the indo-pacific region, i would refer and i would suggest treating them as a situation establishing only as to the situation establishing it is obvious that there only began the meaning yes with whom are you with the civilized world with the european community seven with nato united states of america are you with russia or peace and this is the dilemma that will be resolved these days why because after nato president biden is meeting with the leaders of china, where a number of issues will be resolved after nato

. president biden is meeting with the leadership of saudi arabia, where a number of issues will be determined and, in fact, if we analyze these two tracks economic and military-political, then there is the arrangement of the actual democratic world in the new economic model, which does not foresee the existence of such a player on the international economic arena as russia, mr. roman, i agree with you, on the other hand, we have a rabid bull terrier that dug itself into the leg of the rustling meat, yes, and we understand that the issue must be finalized as soon as possible because there is too much blood, so to speak, and there is no clear perspective when it can be stopped. this is the issue that hurts everyone, we understand that ukraine must stand up, ukraine is heroically holding on, but we also understand that we need

some kind of help as soon as possible in order to solve all of this. unfortunately, putin's resources have not run out, everyone was expecting that in a couple of months, this huge imperial cabinet would fall and shatter into pieces, but no. it is held constantly, missile attacks, in particular, on civilian objects, we understand this. that this fits into the doctrine of insurance. yes, but all the same, you described the situation very well that putin can be forced, but when, approximately, how would it be there was a conversation about the time and place of victory. and in the current situation, it is more harmful than the events on the front line

. against the background of the previous thesis of the prime minister of great britain, the situation that is taking place now gives rise to an absolutely unhealthy discussion, it is necessary to complete several tasks, first by constructively working with the measures of the united states of america to provide the ukrainian army with all the necessary equipment, weapons, ammunition, technologies, tactics and training of personnel; second, to act as much as possible in such a way as to preserve the personnel of the armed forces and the population, regarding the question of setting when and how will the time take place, starting from the offensive, starting from specific concrete tactics - this is the business of the general staff and i emphasize that this is a matter of the general staff, which today has an unprecedented scale

of interaction with the systems of nato and the united states of america and it should be given the opportunity to work out . thus, in order for this interaction to make it possible to inflict a maximum blow on the enemy, to implement the first statement of the task that was made three months ago, which was voiced by the secretary of defense of the united states of america, i will quote, such a blow should be delivered to russia so that in the next century , russia could not fight against its nearest neighbors or against any country, this is an obvious statement that for some reason has been forgotten. concerns the time frame of strategy tactics in this process - this is a matter that must be determined especially on the battlefield by the general staff, because its uniqueness lies in the fact that this

tactic today ensures not only victory over the enemy, but also membership in nato and therefore from ukraine the political leadership of ukraine is required to be maximally constructive, businesslike, consistent and understanding that all participants in this process acquire mastery, experience, and strength in order to defeat the enemy, mr. roman, i agree, with a kind word and the attorney general of the united states, you can even expose a swindler, you see, it's a strange coincidence that after the visit of the united states attorney general to ukraine , a swindler was taken up in our country, and he is gone accordingly, and as far as i understand, many people from his entourage left. so we did not know that we have such people's deputies or something. i would like the word here to be the

surname derkach. he wrote it with a small letter. and so that we all understand that russia worked in ukraine , and by incorporating its agents, russia worked in in europe, he is corporatizing his agents and thinking that all russian agents end in the same last name is deceiving yourself, you need to understand it clearly, but you need to understand us next, you don't need to declare everyone as an enemy, criminals, you need to be absolutely right, you need to have the counter- intelligence prosecutor's office do its job and they should be given the opportunity to carry out such work; moreover, it should be explained to everyone that the topic of checking the loyalty of anyone in wartime is a common thing that must be to behave calmly, absolutely calmly, because there

is a war and simply trust without knowing who and that it is impossible to trust, one must also check the loyalty of a person and his skill and his ability to perform this or that function, i am not talking about the fact that it is necessary to clearly understand that war breaks many people in this situation, it is necessary to understand that the topic of counter-intelligence activity, the topic of the activity of the prosecutor of the security service, and so on, it takes on a special sound, but god forbid in this system , to transfer the kgbshny methods of work. this is another an argument that shows that we need to learn to work as force counterintelligence agencies in the conditions of war and understand that we are building a democratic state, we are fighting as a democratic state,

in fact the victories and stability of the ukrainian army and ukrainian society, including those achieved thanks to the democracy of the young democracy, are not mature democracy, but democracy is also necessary. roman, i agree with democracy, it is very important, but democracy does not prevent people from being strong, or are there dismissed people who are harmful or are are not competent, and we understand that so far we have not heard a lot of explanations, a lot of strange stories, and we would just like to see personnel decisions, it is not about hype within the boundaries of the entire state . season and there is nothing to deny this, they sign with under each word and once again i want to say that the activities of counterintelligence security agencies

such as counterintelligence, the security service, the prosecutor's office must be at the proper level, and their task is those who works against ukraine, identify, bring to court those who are not capable . the transformation of the reason and reasons for doing it is more than enough, but i want to emphasize once again that the issue of professionalism, the issue of patriotism, the issue of dedication to one's work, these are things that should be number one, including those who monitor compliance with the law of the constitution, in january

or february, you and i screamed , warning about the danger of an invasion from the north , in particular, through the territory of the republic of belarus. well, i remember this moment very well. it happened now. we are going to the next possible plan of the same danger, i would really like to see the mistakes of february 24 repeated, to put it mildly, this applies to the north, this applies to kharkov - it applies to the south, yes, if you focus on belarusian how serious is the danger, in your opinion, is a real large-scale invasion? this is not just about kyiv, because russia needs the rivne nuclear power plant, this is not about making fun of it. well, we understand that among the targets were, for example, the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. i

have no doubt about that that belarus will enter the war at the level of the armed forces and putin will drive the belarusians against the ukrainians, the situation is now developing in such a way that these last weeks the frenzy of the kremlin fuehrer, the reason for which is that in recent weeks, thanks to the received weapons, ukraine has dealt a devastating blow to the rear structures, and the kremlin has perfectly understood that they are not capable of waging serious effective battles after ukraine receives even more such equipment, so they will use the tactics of expanding the front for the kremlin as well it is important that this more than a thousand kilometers of the border with belarus is on fire, and the situation

only concerns the question of when it will come, you need to prepare for it and you need to understand that the kremlin is not interested in how many victims it will suffer and what victims it will suffer belarus and in this situation, there are several steps that need to be taken as soon as possible. first , together with the current belarusian opposition, which has spread across europe and the world, it is necessary to help, contribute, use any verb here, the transitional government, the democratic transitional government of belarus, who will lead it , tikhanovskaya, sannikov, zenon, poznyak hai are determined by themselves, but this government must be formed, those units of the armed forces of ukraine that are formed from belarusians must be subordinated to this government, this is the regiment of kostusy

kalinovsky, there are already several other units moreover, they need to acquire the status of the armed forces of the republic of belarus, this government must start working to show the future of democratic belarus, because belarus is a citizen of belarus, a belarusian soldier, a belarusian officer, he must see the perspective of what awaits him. in this way, to minimize the motivation and fear of the current soldier and officer of the belarusian army to go to war because in this situation it will be clear who will be the future who is behind whom the future of the republic of belarus. in the 1940s, who gave an opportunity then gave the french an opportunity , will now give an opportunity to a belarusian who

is categorically against the war, you cannot equate russian and belarusian society belarusian belarusians they do not accept this war, and even more so the war against ukraine, today they are put in a situation where they are driven with a whip in order to this whip did not work and the necessary steps, which i am talking about july-august, so that we should do as soon as possible , i do not know about checking this or that coherence about inspection of the fortification well, just remembering that february of this year is the end, you know well, i just would not like it to be found out later, as arestovych said, that someone did not finish something and the first and second and third and fourth and this is the matter of the general staff and what we will do now we are doing absolutely right we say that the threat is such why because unlike many people who once considered

lukashenka to be almost the president of ukraine, you and i saw very well that he is a person who serves the kremlin , who will do anything to serve in including giving up his territory, he will give the last shirt made of trees from belarus, serving before the kremlin, he will throw a belarusian against a ukrainian, and therefore now it is necessary, starting from the political things that i said, ending with operational-tactical operational intelligence, to do everything to minimize the ability of a belarusian, a belarusian citizen, an officer, a soldier, and you for the war against the ukrainian, such efforts must be made yesterday, such efforts must be made all these years, i am most concerned about the situation that has developed since the beginning of february 24, that in subversive and reconnaissance russians who operated on

the territory of the kyiv, chernihiv, sumy, rivne, volyn regions, 2/3 of the composition were belarusians who were recruited through private russian armies. this is what worries me today . donetsk luhansk region this is what is dangerous, that is, when such a situation arises when a person does not see belarus, he does not understand his political prospects, he does not understand that tomorrow will be from belarus. if lukashenko is there, lukashenko is a self-proclaimed dictator and will continue to lead belarusians into a tailspin, do they have any options for action, because from my point of view, this activity and political and social activity and support are especially