they say that the ukrainian military leadership wants to centrally coordinate the actions of ukrainian partisans in the occupied ref territories in order to prepare for coordinated operations with the armed forces of ukraine . in short, please, this would be a good method. if you want to know from the point of view of military intelligence, i would say that it is not very good , because wherever there is centralized information, there will always be a traitor who sold it . applies to any country, any territory , any time in our history. well, unfortunately, that is why it is necessary to centralize such information about the partisan movement. well, in principle, it would be impractical, but it was necessary to coordinate activities because, well, such a paradoxical situation, so it is. as for the territories there, well, let's take a look at the historical 100 years ago, in those

territories that our panzes bought today for the ordlo, there was nothing, it was a bare steppe, there was no industry and almost no data on themselves of the 25th census in the territory of kharkiv, donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhya and part of dnipropetrovsk region, there were only 4.5 mm of population living in the asu or 64,000 people lived in the territory of donetsk, there was no water supply and sewerage, so miner 's villages, the user did more, what did the legs do, the dance, the pants increased the history of the rostov region is such that technically they are not interested. by the way, they developed and are doing the specialization of donbas , they did what the americans did, it is for the information of those who

do not know the history of it, the british founded the americans developed like this, er, led this process, morristan, the brother of the architect albert hanna , er, it was 2,3,000 americans from different sources. they operated under the er, state project stroy, and they gave the heart of the industrialization of the soviet union to donbas because there was electricity from built by an american architect and progress , there were eight turbines general electric, by the way, it is still working, that and everything else was already built in donbas, and in order to have the water needed for industry there, a canal and this canal were brought there the truth in the second version is still working and water is supplied to the territory from the dnipro, i.e. donbas itself and the occupied territory without ukraine

will remain dead, nothing more, mr. mykhailo, we thank you very much, yes, mykhailo prytula , colonel of the security service of ukraine, an expert in military counterintelligence was on in connection with our studio, etc. mr. mykhailo voiced mr. mykhailo in the light of those last dogs, and so on. the population living there until a certain point in the recent history of our country. i would like to understand how it is changing now. is something changing, but the rapprochement with russia, distancing from some western trends ? the attitudes of the population are being studied during the war, it will be necessary to understand it after the war but what about that? well, it is absolutely

logical. industrial agglomeration because there was a famine and that a huge number of people who lived there in the countryside were simply destroyed during the famine, and on their territories, one could say , additional industrial villages were built, and people from different regions of russia, ukraine, belarus moved to these villages. it was such as it always happens industrial district industrial districts are always more i would say related to er imperial some kind of propaganda position they are more returned to the central government because only the central government in an authoritarian state can ensure the functioning of industrial districts. so this is exactly what is absolutely logical, plus a different system of values, because it is not an indigenous system, but how is it throughout the territory of ukraine , in one way or another, it is a symbiosis of a city and a village in as a rule

, not very large cities and villages, because there are not so many large cities in ukraine, and we have 5 million uah . i will remind the big seven on june 28 of the bavarian alps . in the final report, it is said that the seven countries will consider the possibility of a ban on the transportation of russian oil, except when it is sold at a price lower than the threshold, which the big seven will agree on additional, as well as what is important for us. about the import of russian gold, gold and in fact an embargo in relation to this, the united kingdom, the united states, japan, and canada agreed to this step. it was expected that the smaller italy and france would join them at the summit, but the prime minister of great britain boris johnson declares that the embargo will be a blow to the heart of putin's war machine, and in addition, we are informed

that only actions will be coordinated to reduce russia's income , in particular, from the sale of gold, this is again the final communiqué, hmm, to the big seven, contact us now ihor kharchenko , diplomat, ex-deputy minister of foreign affairs, former ambassador of ukraine to great britain, japan , poland, and romania, mr. ihor, i congratulate you, i congratulate khrystyna, i congratulate vitaliy good evening good evening well, let's try to understand after all how far have international organizations managed to advance on the road to this blocking of russia in general, does this blocking make such an obvious sense today , taking into account that we see that russia has economic allies, and this is itself in front of china and india and their needs for ancient and are quite large and the main thing the desire to receive this raw material from russia is also a new moment not only not only nato and the group of seven also conducted brics as well. yes, it is true. this is an old soviet custom

. if the west does something, then the soviet union. i'm sorry, i have to do something. well, in response, nothing has changed here for the past 70 or so years, but i would not be so categorical from the point of view of whether it is necessary to continue this in relation to sanctions and economic pressure on the russian federation, of course it is necessary because what russia tried to do in the so-called democratic yeltsin years and what caused the backlash, i.e. still enter the western system, at least in some way, today it is all collapsing and russia is so economically strong in recent years, 30 have entered this western system precisely economically and financially, and these sanctions, which are being introduced today with the g7 and individual countries

, are perhaps not so noticeable today, because it is still a different type of weapon, but they are extremely painful, therefore the results of the g7 in this context, you mentioned khrystyna zolotonaftu, er, they are again invisible to the average russian , maybe now, well, they will work in due time, but for us, it seems to me that the most important conclusion is er, he is political from advertising by almost all leaders seven plus the european union of course it means that ukraine's support will be indefinite and will act as long as it takes to ensure that the military machine of the russian federation is bloodless. it seems to me that this political conclusion is the main thing for us, thank you , but as for brics, it is brazil, russia , india, china and south the african republic is supposedly the summit itself was held under the chairmanship of the people's republic of china,

but analysts write that the result of this itself is the reorientation of this club to beijing and then which tried to present its appearance at this the virtual summit as an achievement of russian diplomacy, in fact, it is a symbol of even greater marginalization, i am now quoting analysts, so in year 2, it is a victory for putin or, well, let’s say on the contrary, a demonstration of his isolation from this world, and this is simply an attempt to fit into at least some, well, more or less decent let's go to the company. i 'll say it so diplomatically. this is the organization where they still let him in. that's what i'll finish in the comments. happens in international organizations when a representative of the russian federation speaks or tries to take the floor. well, i already

said that somewhere here on the air, don't overestimate the economic support provided by the members of this group of the russian federation, it is more words than deeds, the latest statistics that i saw that, at least in relation to china, it says that not everything is so simple , and exports from china to russia are decreasing and vice versa. that is, words are one thing, real things are completely different. it seems to me that the members of this brics group are closely following global trends, including the economic sector. of course, if they use economic content, cheaper oil there and so on, of course, who wouldn't use it, but the key points are the main economic trends. i think in all these

countries, brazil, south africa, india, they are monitored and are taken into account , let's say brazil was represented by the future briggs rammstein and here is one of the examples of how difficult it is now, in this period of the so-called fog of war, to draw unequivocal conclusions about appeals of one or another country that is a prominent regional player, such as the brics countries, in the context of these global events. and one of the global events is what is happening today in ukraine . well, in addition to the fact that great britain, australia, new zealand and japan have created an informal group of partners in the blue pacific to help the supposedly pacific island states to oppose china in the indo-pacific region, well, it is clear that efforts to somehow balance the situation where

china is gaining momentum. this is the organization in this is what is happening today in ukraine, what is happening after the second world war in the context of the military conflict is unprecedented in terms of scale and future consequences, of course it will have an impact on hm i already said that this is a global situation that we are experiencing now all together here in ukraine, it will have practical consequences for the whole world, no matter how far away the state is, it will not remain aloof from those processes that may not be fully visible, but they will definitely reach the farthest corners of the globe and, of course, i did not discover those colleges. there was once a phrase that was 20 years old. that is why it is popular in the

diplomatic and journalistic lexicon, so now the coalition is called good people, those who help ukraine, the coalition of good people, it is now doing this thing globally, the consequences which will be felt tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, a week from now, i don't know, 5 years there, but they will feel it almost everywhere, the world is changing. now we are changing it, and those who help us are changing it politically, definitely, but economically, not in a big way it's a secret that those sanctions are an economic snub thrown by the eu seven on russia, they don't pass without a trace for the population of these countries either, they are painful for the economy, the economy is being rebuilt, i said that russia has been so active for the past 30, i don't know 40 years. into the

world economic system and now there has been a collapse of this, let's say, the world security system, that's not the restructuring of khrystyna , that's that, that's it. in a few months, they will work, in a few months the average russian has come to understand well, say it for a state so huge and huge and for its economic system - it is to restore what was literally 10 years ago, i don't know how much it will take thanks to yuri i want everything at once do you think that nato has already been reformatted in terms of its attitude to challenges? are these declarations so far that russia is already a threat, but on the one hand, russia is a threat on the other hand? no one is talking about the possibility even if ukraine or georgia were to receive a pdp. you

know, the door is open, but we stand behind it. - to me, even four strategic concepts of nato were closed secret documents, this is only the last three, eh, they decided to make it public partnership yes, i remember, i was present there, you were also present there, well, i did it, so let it be from the original , he from the original of this charter home, yes, and you know , and i, this is exactly this, this is the element of my experience allows me to say that it is possible, it is possible, it

is also not so, now it is relevant, behind which door , where and how, we need to stand, because nato membership in nato would be important for ukraine in order to prevent possible aggression aggression from russia has already happened, greece has already happened, you understand what i'm talking about. well, membership date, this was a safeguard so that russia could not attack, because russia well, she can just attack again, i apologize, maybe it was a suicidal step, she attacked us, she found nato, this will bury her, of course, but now all the situations when we are slowly but still grinding uh, the russian military machine with the help of good

people from the rammstein coalition of seven from the eu second wind i would say very powerful i would say the main result of this is that the traditional 200 years sweden was neutral for 200 years sweden it even in two times of the second world war the swedes still remember so quietly quietly that they still then the wires of the second world war they so traded with they used their neutral status and they searched there, it is inconvenient for them to remember, but it was so because they were not herbs, now the swede has decided everything, we will be members of the collective defense system, which is the best in the world, no one is better now

product and finland, and finland itself was invested in some kind by the soviet union and russia, remember in italy, you must remember, there was such a line of viken apiaries, remember. so it continued after and will continue until gorbachev's perestroika, in fact, when there was no kekanev of this line there is no neutral sweden, there is russia and nato from all the western sides, everything and just a few months ago, when everything started, suddenly something important got under the tail. but in the kremlin, they began to demand in writing that nato did not expand further, and withdraw at the border in who is there 90 i don't remember what year in the translation from the diplomatic language, the results of madrid themselves, it's not just a slap, it's hook, it's a very strong politician of moscow, from which geopolitical plans do i think

it will not move away and when ukraine copes with what it is doing now our people are being kicked out of our territory, but then the time will come for us to ask whether we need to which nato we need to be a member of which nato, what will we call it, and so on and so on . to our country and i collected it here several e-e theses, in particular, from the deputy head of the president's office, mr. panazhovkva, who said that if nato members do not recognize the real situation with what is happening in europe and ukraine, then this document will become just another piece of paper that is absolutely not important. nato members refused us our wish or to become a member of the alliance in this direction, we are refraining from any steps for the time being, we will not step into nato in the near future, and we did not expect nato to make breakthrough decisions for ukraine at the summit. unfortunately, the alliance will not have enough collective determination to cross the red lines on putin's drawing, that is why the

country is forced to look for other options to protect national security and safety, and its citizens are ready to consider direct security guarantees from various countries, said olga stefanishina, vice prime minister for european euro -atlantic integration. let's go to the panel, igor , write back, i'll answer, i'm less worried about the discussion, i'm more worried about the situation on the front line, this is now the main issue that i think should worry our ukrainians. like those who is fighting er defends those er good people who help all over the world and from these political documents that i read that reach me from world capitals i think that those world capitals that help us

understand this perfectly therefore, now the military affairs are in the foreground, the political affairs are in the background. they are now in the background. i think everyone who understands the meaning of the events that are happening today on the territory of ukraine, they have a single opinion on this issue, and this is exactly what i read in the documents. its me i also read in the nato documents the final summary and the main e-e, here is the latest strategic concept that has been revealed, which directly calls e-e russia a threat, what is too much today. imagine a plus, sweden is the most powerful military-political alliance in the world . thank you, the panel names which names its adversaries that is, as an enemy and a threat to one country,

i want to say, thank you igor, what if we have some security guarantees from other countries that will be better than this ally, as panego characterized it, then we can consider them the only question is that there are no other guarantees on the table. and if there are, we will talk, but i am honest. i am absolutely sure that nothing better than membership in nato will ever appear . svitlana tikhonovsky with the international question, good evening, sir, the editors ask for a few moments. and i will briefly talk about belarus. in the last week, the west is pushing the russian federation to unification processes with belarus, the president of russia, vladimir putin, in the form of regions russia, without clarifying exactly what kind of acceleration it is talking about, at least until july 9, the armed forces of belarus continued military exercises at the country's 13 training grounds, and the threat of an invasion by the belarusian army persists in lviv

today, they are even trying to create a plan to counter them. processes, we already have in contact francs vechorka er belarusian oppositionist advisor to svitlana tikhanovskaya on international issues, we congratulate you well , let's try to understand, after all, how likely you think it is that the belarusian army will still appear on the ukrainian territory, 20% of the largest percentage of the guild is good, but that's fine. let's do it. can it appear simply to distract the forces of the ukrainian army? in other directions, it is clear that this is not a question of occupation, is that love or even there lutsk yes is it correct, but it is obvious that the ukrainian army has significant forces there on the border with belarus, they can do all this and we are doing all the exercises that have been taking place for the past couple of months to pull back the forces of the armed forces - it is obvious that lukashenka is demonstrating her loyalty to putin even before his arrival in moscow

on june 25. yes, they strengthened the security of the border with poland , lithuania. they are standing on those borders, this is a breshka vitebsk brigade, the equipment must be prepared for attacking actions, they are not being prepared for an attack on ukraine, they are scared there, they are afraid that they will be forced to cross the border, and even those who sit from genstein to minsk, but those who provide the northern command there and the subsidiary task of the command. they are also not ready for hostilities, therefore, answering your questions. in the next three three three six months, i consider it very unlikely that the sides of the belarusian troops, but this does not mean that lukashenko you and i are talking about belarus, er, a

solemn meeting on the occasion of independence day is taking place, and there oleksandr lukashenko accuses ukraine of launching missiles on the territory of belarus and orders his military to take aim at the center the decision-making of the opponents of minsk sells the belarusian state agency and the russian state agency ria novosti on provoking, i have to tell you that three days ago, maybe a little more from the territory of ukraine tried to strike military facilities on the territory of belarus, but by god , pantsyr anti-aircraft systems managed to intercept all the missiles that were released by the armed forces, well, everyone needs their own case belli, it ’s true, sometimes i have the impression that i have never seen such bloodthirstiness behind him global absolutely and by the way, it is interesting that he is now very actively selling this negativity that only thanks to lukashenko belarus did not enter this war and only thanks to lukashenko belarus is sleeping peacefully while

ukrainian and russian are fighting and now this crooked rhetoric - he doesn't like it very much but he simply lives in his reality, so let's not discuss what to analyze his statements that he throws out every day so that we can discuss him with you, i recently saw a large report about the rail war that is being sold- continues on the territory of your country, how can you now imagine how serious are the resources of those people who are trying to stop russian military equipment on the way to ukraine? rail partisans already in march, in total, more than 80 actions of sabotage and sabotage of various formats took place on the railways, there at transport hubs, and there was a post about how the belarusians are gathering all information about the movement of russian troops, now the

rail partisans who were detained in march are facing the death penalty. there is a great possibility that lukashenko will smile and implement it to intimidate others in general, in the project in the plan of victory and the mobilization plan for the protest movement 200,000 people have been registered, it is clear that many of them are also ready for partisan activity, but now there are no such strong triggers, plus the risk and funds of possible repressions and even deadly punishment are received many people to join this park, well, this is svitlana tikhanovska. by the way, she turned to president volodymyr zelenskyi with a wish to respect the contribution of belarusians in the fight against the russian aggressor and to promote the unity of

the ukrainian-belarusian peoples. in particular, those people who resort to such actions, we understand that in belarus uh, well, this is a very dangerous story, but more and more of the ukrainian leadership is about the lack of a ukrainian foreign policy strategy towards belarus and the coordination of joint actions with the belarusian edem forces and the resistance movement. i understand that our current attitude towards belarus is possible. some people are too emotional towards the belarusian people. so they are co- aggressing absolutely to the entire territory, the army is going . well, someone is still trying to emphasize this internal occupation in which the belarusian people are. but nevertheless a in fact, those who are now addressing the ukrainians and the ukrainian authorities, let's soften with the belarusian

people, and the communication with the belarusian people goes accordingly. well, because i see that many people are so slightly offended among the ukrainians, maybe you communicated with your own citizens, citizens of belarus, and did not tell the ukrainians how should they react in such a difficult situation to a similar story if we are engaged in everyday i'm telling you clearly, we now have a very intimidated public active we have 200,000 people who are ready for more active protest actions, there is a large network of such public journalists who help everyone because they constantly record all the crimes of lukashenko 's and putin's troops on belarusian territory, and we are definitely and now preparing to transfer those documents to international courts in order to punish not only putin, but also lukashenko and his a piece of manuals for participation for the illegal use of belarusian territory for the military to carry out war crimes in ukraine and we

cannot now bring people out into the street because this it means to throw them in prison and so actually influence, but what should we do more now and we are trying as much as possible to work with the security forces and the nomenklatura how will it be mothers eh eh who are now very actively working in this with conscripts with these who with contract workers by the way who are currently on duty there at the borders with ukraine and we communicate every day we work every day what that is why belarusians are offended because these belarusians who support this country. these are the most active people, people who in the 20th and 21st years gave up everything to fight against the occupation of lukashenka