the issue of the crimean bridge, yes, definitely. it is still early , another topic that, in my opinion, has received a little too much attention, uh, another exit to the world, if you want president putin. this event was held in vyshabad, with the participation of the president of azerbaijan, ilham aliyev, the president of iran, ibrahim raisiv, the president of kazakhstan , marta kemalevich tokaeva, you see, there is nothing difficult to pronounce, if it is putin's name something is not working. i think it's a sign. it's so clear that putin and the president of turkmenistan were there. sidar berdiho berdi muhammedov. and i have difficulties with this last name. well, in short, they talked about the economy and security in the caspian sea, the need for new large-scale infrastructure

projects. what about me personally? affected the existing convention on the legal status of the caspian sea, there, among other things, there is a provision on preventing the presence of armed forces that do not belong to the parties to the treaty, and five caspian states are also defined responsible for maintaining security at sea, managing its resources, ukraine constantly records that the launch of missiles at us is happening right out of a fairy tale , in general, it is interesting to me that there is a forum, it was the sixth this year, and how do you like this format of cooperation, trying to cooperate from boleh with someone in the world with on putin's side, well, these are the countries that are his obvious allies because their regimes of government are such that are absolutely suitable in russia, this is exactly what you did not want to happen here. because such states, as you understand, depends on in the first person or from the clan well, i want to tell you

that from the caspian sea, you say that the missile is launched from there. and why? because it is not a common sea, it is divided between the participants of the game and russia for quite a long time, how do you know they calculated that it would be precisely that they would divide it, and it was a completely different attitude , let's say, to the sea of ​​azov, but in the sea of ​​azov russia, which did everything possible not to divide it, so that it was shared between russia and ukraine, that is, the russians. and from the point of view of the kaspa, it was needed just part of the sea where she could to act without coordinating it with the other participants in the negotiations, because in the case of the sea of ​​azov, she believed that she could ignore ukraine, and that's how it is happening now. and not only now, and i don't remember very well the victory over the sea of ​​azov, which just happened connected with our desire to get a part of the sea where we could act. regardless of

russia, and russia could do it on its own part , not to share, but only on its own parts , this did not happen in the fairy tale, the opposite happened because russia perfectly understood that if it there launched by the rocket operator of the region, which is a shared region for russia, for iran, for azerbaijan, for turkmenistan, a little bit, this one, kazakhstan, as far as i can remember, it is there, there is one of these countries, let's say, you know, we wanted it to be there, the pacific sea. we would like more there wouldn't be a military fleet there, because what is being done, we always asked. ocean and now we know what the caspian is doing to pay, this is such a basic large military base with which you can even shoot at ukraine, all these eternal questions have been answered. and what will russia

do in the caspian sea? and what will it threaten azerbaijan ? and secondly, the fact that it is absolutely logical that they would have done it and that putin can talk to these leaders of the former soviet republics even with a blind eye in this situation suggests that in certain regions of his political the possibilities remain quite obvious, we forget about it all the time. when we talk about brics, when we talk about this summit, we keep reminding ourselves that the world is actually divided into two worlds, the world of democracy and the world of authoritarianism, and soon it will not be opportunities to be between these two worlds, to try to be between them, there are states that are trying to be between them

, that is, states that actually have authoritarian tendencies but with a democratic system that provides for free elections . it is difficult to balance everything now, is armenia a country that is actually in such a foreign policy center of influence of russia. but at the same time, this country has democratic elections. and somehow, well, it turns out that all this is not connected, which is very difficult, because the same army armenia has good relations with moscow to tehran, and with it the system itself, which contradicts the ideas of moscow and the tiger about how the state should be organized. and now what is happening is the victory between armenia and turkey and the normalization of each other. this already says about the fact that even in yerevan they realize that there is something in this, not very, not very, i would say that it is stable in such relations, you know, i met such an assessment

about turkey, armenia, these negotiations , even the air traffic there wants to restore that as soon as russia stops poking its nose, somehow even the countries can come to an agreement, which for a longer time were at least a base, of course russia is interested in instability anywhere, well, you divide education and there is no longer an opportunity, at least soon there will be no opportunity to be somewhere in the middle, this means that all these countries and the ones you mentioned will have to choose one of the sides for themselves in one way or another, but you can imagine what turkey will choose if there is still a certain time, for example , erdogan remains in power. i think that turkey will still not be able to come to an agreement with russia. i think that even the president will have to decide one way or another the question of what will be the fate of his country in

such a situation, every country will have to choose it in a completely new geopolitical situation, well, you understand, turkey could afford to be as it is in different historical eras, for example , turkey during the cold war could afford military coups and general dictatorships because it was an important part of the security system. turkey during the times when the west was flirting with putin's russia could allow this to balance between the measures of moscow because everyone was balancing now that the balance ends, it is obvious that the foreign policy of turkey will not be able to be the way it was, uh, a road accident and this, uh, listen to it, in fact, it concerns the wife, you absolutely understand that the heads already made this choice, now in practice it is necessary to implement after winning the war and enter into the painful

processes of our post-war society in general , what are you talking about? reality, if the members of the verkhovna rada, this is the majority, pass laws that are considered unpopular by the majority of the population, and the president signs these laws, then where are these deputies, this president finds themselves during the next elections and what do they think about themselves, this president, these deputies, when they pass such laws regarding their political perspective, are they ready to give up their political perspective for the sake of the european integration of ukraine, maybe they are ready, i don't know, but this is what is necessary to realize that when we talk about uh, this is a matter of choice. because there is an obvious recipe for holding power in

poor countries, such as ukraine, where people are waiting for quick solutions in countries where they are waiting for an improvement in life as comrade yanukovych wrote already today already today this is the choice made by politicians who think about the future of their own states and their preservation. by the way, the choice that, let's say, is now being made by the prime minister of great britain, bory johnson, because the perennial decision is not to support ukraine they may not look so popular and before he all his politics were about the fact that he actually offered people what they wanted to hear from him, this is the brexis on which this career came out, but you know the game of where will britain be there in to which union this is not a question of the existential future of great britain, but now it is protesting against authoritarianism, the question arises what place will the people of this country have in the future, what

will this perspective itself be, but it looks like he can lose from this, maybe, but this is a question of such a choice for a statesman this is a good question , how ready are our politicians to be statesmen, statesmen, as a rule, lose power , unlike politicians, and how ready our compatriots are to be responsible as citizens, responsible citizens usually live in difficult conditions, they are different from people who expect improvement from the state already today, well, it’s not possible somehow, i don’t know how to agree on the fact that the government will explain unpopular decisions of the people, the people , too, somehow consolidated, tortured by the war, will try to understand what, well, no everything can be sharp here and now, as they say, and that well, the quick establishment of our country after the war, because all countries quickly recovered after the war, there is

such a stereotype, uh, uh, expectations of overestimation, but with good communication, is it not possible to avoid this problem and the country can quickly recover after the war, christians, i assure you, you really said correctly how many years did germany recover after the war, it’s the 45th year and germany is in complete ruins, it can’t even be compared with the fact that today we have full a-a in 10 years this is already a german economic miracle, the superhuman marshall plan is not only for germany, but you understand what the matter is. imagine that in this germany, and dynamo and the russian federation, the judicial system fulfills the whims of a where is nauvera and edgard, what would be the plan for investments in such a country? i told you, listen , mr. ehard, if you have your own judges, please invest your own ministers of finance, if you have good incomes, if you have the eyes of

germany, adam major ehard there is no free press, and the press belongs to, let's say, people who are interested in some special cooperation with the authorities and that the authorities maintain their interests. if i am an investor, i will think ok, but if these investments are taken away from me, then not even one not a single newspaper writes about it because the tractor of the national anthem is not written by four - these are the newspapers of one oligarch who is interested in friendship with archard, and the newspaper is ... again, well, let's give our newspapers on our own, and i say that i'll join some factory in texas. let me get less profit , but at least i won't lose the factory. that's what ursula von der leyen said, the independence of the courts is a real mechanism for the change of power. economic laws.

transparency, transparency of taxation, you know, i was this week at the volunteer forum of the people of truskaves, where people were gathered who, you know, you can just bow before them to see how much they will do to help our army, society, this situation, but i told them, you know how the situation looks like in principle in our country it looks civilized let's say this country is a country in which the taxation system is completely transparent and does not force people to hide their income from the state various schemes, etc., etc., i am not talking about the eternal envelope. this is an enveloped system and responsible citizens who pay taxes and elect

a responsible competent authority, which correctly determines priorities and threats, and when there is a challenge, it is not even just war, it applies to everything that happened with us for 30 years in a row, it concerns citizens, there is no need to go for some medical drugs during a pandemic or for back-acts during a war, because it is all already bought for their e-e taxes simply because that the state definitely understood that the war is the main threat or something. again, it's not really about this situation. we wanted me to think that i was concentrating on this situation because it happened many times with different things. do you remember that even before the championship with european football passed a law on volunteers under yanukovych in order to give the volunteer movement the opportunity to take part in the

provision of this championship. this law is also a reality. by the way, to act until now because it was adopted then according to these western norms, so that it was effective, so that it turned out that this ineffective state needs effective volunteers. well, this is very strange in any other country, you know. i mean of the countries where we want to go. of course, there are volunteers who work. yes, in charity, some, well, some special programs. yes, there are so many things, but you know, you can’t have your state be like a ship with some holes and you literally you close these gaps with your own bodies, a critical moment cannot be like this, and that is why i hope that

we will live to the time when we will have an effective state, but an effective state should be courts with a free press and citizens who will not believe in any promises uh, the light of the future in 48 hours and then of course there is a chance for recovery after the war and there is a chance by the way, i repeat the rapid recovery of the economy, provided the hostilities cease, it is if we manage to clearly build a security mechanism, we will definitely to know that russia will not attack us in two years, if we do not know, this is another term, you understand. how will we be afraid, any investor will be afraid, but nothing is restored, then we must clearly say without investments, and by the way, there is another such important moment, the moment of trust of citizens to the state as such. who is the biggest investor in germany? who do you think in germany? who are the

biggest investors in germany? these are the authorities. to pension funds because a person there is 30-40 years old, he works there, he invests his money in the pension fund so that he can later earn interest from his savings in order to have a decent pension for himself. this is not because they have such a large pension per se, they saved all their lives in pension funds for all these trips, but precisely because they gave money to this pension fund, the german language developed the economy because they thus, the pension fund gives money to simons, where there is money, the croup gives money for new projects for new developments, and therefore even if some big billionaire does not give money

and nothing happens, because banks operate with depositors’ money and depositors will invest money into pension programs and that's how it all goes, but tell us what can be said to our man i have even before the war, you know this you have to put money into the pension fund and after 20 years it will be returned to you with interest there 5% i don't know there is something, well, this is a person for a period of 20 years, should i put mine in hryvnias or evolution, well, this will be the first question, and then everything else will be the same person who will believe that someone can put money somewhere for 21 years, that they will return after 20 years, the money is how he knows how when a person says it's better, i'll buy an apartment in the regional center, it will definitely give me income, it can give, but it's not investing money in the economy with this money .

is not based on this. that is, it is very important that new apartments, new housing and so on are built, but that is not all. in short, we must try to bring our people to consciously manage their money and preferably invest it exactly where they will be the best shout for the ukrainian economy but there must be an agreement between the state and the person to the person, yes, this is the main thing, but for whose trust a person must know for sure that if someone tries to take away her factories, her money, or she goes to court and the court decides this issue fairly because justice is a court decision, it is an abstract injustice that i am a small person , because it has to be like that, in my interests, there are no small people, there are no big people, there is a court in which an ordinary person can win an oligarch , let's say so, wishes for us, i can't even to call it the demands of this in order to then start

some unconscious dialogue, the antifreeze was already our entry into the eu with all the wishes, among which indeed the judicial reform of the judicial and law enforcement system, the reform of the law enforcement system and well, what about me the easiest thing is that many people are now talking about appointing these people to the responsible persons of the nabu in the nabu and sap. well, president volodymyr zelenskyi in rusul von der leyen says that the competition for the head of the nabu will be announced in the near future. and the issue of appointing a special special the anti-corruption prosecutor is being studied by a special commission. and i would like to remind you that the competition we held was generally adequate and normal, and the person who won this competition was more or less approved by public organizations and our partners, but there is no final decision because the social commission will make it. the very decision that was made, which you say was a competition, was appointed by a person and you just need to be appointed

to this place, because if this commission does not make such a decision, it will mean non-fulfillment of the conditions of the european commission, and this will mean that we can lose the status of a candidate for the european union, which we received with such and such problems . determines the entire future of the country, and there are not too many special commissions and so on, if we see productivity is not too high. well, i will hope that after the war it will be possible to put everything more responsibly than this is such a hot period, this is an expectation, i do not confirm, i do not want to confirm that this is exactly what will happen, as far as the visit of fundalians is concerned in general, the main signal was that there will be no money without reforms, and in the near future in the swiss city of luganov, prime minister denys shmyhal will present a big the program of reconstruction and general transformation of ukraine and the economy was developed by

the national recovery council. and this is 2,500 specialists, and the number of ministries, for example, can be reduced from 20 to 12. well, there are many different points, but some people were surprised. why are we going to switzerland in particular for that to demonstrate the reconstruction plan of our country without communicating with the ukrainians. and how do they see it and whether they agree to such a reconstruction plan? what do you think about investments and the ukrainian government should show investors its the intentions of the investors must say how much money they are willing to give if there are such actions. and the ukrainians must then decide in the elections whether they are ready to agree to such a plan, whether they need this money or maybe not because it will again help lead to serious any problems at the time when this plan will be implemented, but the

volohana conference is a very important thing, it is practically the culmination of all those international summits that we talked about during this program with the meetings of the group of seven and the tonata itself for this simple reason that it will really be decided how ukraine will change and recover and what money the western countries can give to rebuild our country after the end of the war, this will be the perspective that should help our state in the future and this will be the perspective that will tell us now. this is what will happen after the end of the war . why are we now returning our territories? of territorial integrity as such and that this is the construction of a strong country, an effective country for

every citizen, in which the citizen will want to develop, which citizen will want to live, and this is of great importance because millions of people left ukraine during these military operations and when we are talking to you what do they know like mandra they will definitely come back they will definitely come back if there is a prospect in ukraine because if people do not understand where they should go back where they will live where they will be work, what will they feed their children, and in those countries where they are, they will already have all the answers to this question, then we can underestimate millions of our citizens and wait not for people to return here, but what does it mean for men who are now in ukraine, waiting maybe there conscription or just like that, according to the current legislation, they will simply go to their families and the number of those who

will not return will increase by hundreds of thousands of people literally the next day after they finish active hostilities and it is necessary to talk about it now because we are still us again and now it is a romantic period and then there will be a period of reality when each person will decide the issue of his own survival and the survival of his family and this is what lugan is. this is an alternative for these people no, you don't have to spend your life in a foreign country. well, of course, those who just want to should be in the mood to be what you are tired of, let's say , wait for it. it's one thing, people who are in the mood for ukraine should not just be in the mood for you know, there's an image, it's not an image, it's a communique, it's an institution, it's a state that has an effective answer to the question of its citizens, what will happen tomorrow, you shouldn't underestimate lugano and look forward to some results of this

summit, dobrenko, she's literally 5 minutes away i generally wanted this topic. it is very sensitive because it concerns the return of our prisoners of war home, but still, i cannot help but notice that the biggest exchange took place. 144 defenders returned home, and this is definitely a big plus for the main intelligence agency, which it started like this. we have seen the effectiveness of dealing with this case, and we can draw certain conclusions, and this is a big plus, also considering the fact that some of the defenders of azovstali returned to us, and these people were demonized by russian propaganda. can be released from russia, and so some of them are the azov people, they are only wounded now, that is, russia has released those whom it is sure will not return to the front, although the mood of ours, you know, is very combative, so in your opinion, with this exchange the russian federation, even for its own

citizens, has compromised the nazification that they declared when they went to ukraine for the first time, no one knows what it is. 115 citizens of ukraine and russia watch russian television, trust russian propagandists, those who do not watch and do not do you trust her, it is absolutely not interesting at all what it says, those who watch say they will believe in any, any, a new turn of fate, you understand, well, imagine that on february 24, 2022, vladimir putin appears on the screens at night and says, you know, in order to improve the international situation and give ukraine the opportunity to choose a neutral status, i made a decision about the reunification of the territory of the donetsk luhansk regions with ukraine, about what we already ukrainian sovereignties have the right to restore control over the border and we are beginning to prevail with ukraine on how to resolve the crimea issue. what do you think that on

february 24 there would be a revolution in russia in the morning ? ukraine has become a friendly state of law bravo, the same people who would write the letter z on all the streets would start writing the letter i don't know if it's cyrillic zelenskyy there and they said, oh, great, great , you see this is the same real agreement, synte, what were they thinking with these nazis, as well as ruled ukraine until the 19th year, these are real friends and we agreed with them and everything would look like this, you understand, that is not the question. not it will take a long time to find out. but the most important thing is that people have been released, and that we can expect that these exchanges will continue and will continue in the future. that we will see many of our

compatriots who are now hostages of the russian regime at freedom. you know that these are not only prisoners of war. what russians they started taking hostages in the 14th year and keeping them in the prisons of russia itself in the occupied territories of the annexed crimea and all these people are actually for the russians with such material for blackmail and for us they are people and we are waiting for each of them at home thank you khrystyna very much vitaly portnikov my name is khrystyna yatskiv very soon i promise your co-host will appear with you again it was saturday's political club more continue to follow espresso we have news at the time of

almost 9:00 pm in ukraine news time on the espresso tv channel i welcome you to the studio iryna koval deadly rest near the shores of odesa. a mine exploded in the resort village of karolina-bugaz. men swam into the sea despite the ban and warnings about the danger of mines. operational command of the south in the odesa region does not yet plan to open the beaches, all because of the large number of explosive objects in the water area and a possible threat from the sea, the situation in the south of ukraine remains uneasy, and in the morning russian troops fired 10 onyx-type missiles at mykolaiv. this is also reported by the southern command