but the fact that franko and shevchenko were perceived well, i was still studying in the 90s according to the soviet cliché about franko as a socialist, shevchenko as a struggler, as someone who fought against serfdom and not as someone who fought for interests, the actual weight of the teacher, what is at one time created germany and it is very important i think for ukraine thank you very much ms. nataliya pipa for this conversation people's deputy of ukraine tatarka that 's right the committee on education, science and innovation thank you and well and we'll go on a short break and and and we'll be back in a few minutes the naval forces of ukraine during their temporary existence had to go through different things and now they exist not thanks to but in spite of all the trials , it is especially difficult for them now, however, from the first hours of the invasion, officers and sailors, marines, coast guard and naval aviation courageously

resist the aggressor. on july 3, we celebrate the day of the navy of ukraine according to the merits, it was celebrated on the first of august when, under kuchma , the obsolete cans were distributed between russia and ukraine, later with the term of the fifth president petro poroshenko navy day began to be celebrated precisely on the first sunday of july, the hottest time in the ukrainian navy came in 2014, during the annexation of crimea, pro-russian mercenaries captured the headquarters of the ukrainian navy during the storming , they kidnapped the commander of the ukrainian fleet, serhiy hayduk. on the same day, the resistance was stopped by the troops coast guard, and by march 21 almost all ukrainian ships were captured or surrendered , among them the ship slavutych kostyantyn olshansky kirovohrad corvette vinnytsia chernihiv trenches and their blocked in donuzlav, the main idea was to raise

these foci and outbreaks in all administrative units that were adjacent to the sea, that is, that the invention is to push ukraine away from the sea and only with it resist the enemy, because of which the ukrainian resistance entered the history, and later i will resist in the cinema at the end of 2018, the commander of the navy approved the strategy for the development of the fleet until 2035. however, even here the full-scale invasion of the rashists made its corrections. instead of the sea , the river flotilla had to be strengthened on the dnieper. formed in the north of our country. when the large-scale aggression of the russian federation, which began with all the bikes, we were forced to look only at our

arteries to the south. now the enemy is in the south of the dnieper, and we must also have the appropriate weapons that oppose the enemy on our rivers, on our water arteries, armed naval forces began to actively develop the russian flotilla from march 24, then ukrainian defenders sank the large amphibious assault ship saratov in the port of berdyansk and damaged amphibious ships novocherkassk and caesar punikov sank the amphibious landing craft of the serna project on may 7, an important date for ukrainians. april 13 was the end of moscow. this was the name of the russian missile cruiser and the flagship of the russian black sea fleet. it was destroyed by two neptune anti-ship missiles and another victory 17 in june, ukrainian servicemen attacked the black sea fleet supply ship vasyl b, as

a result, the ship sank. they return in camouflage with shoulder pads, modest, silent, but in each of them has a story that is worth a thousand books. dmytro was seriously wounded in reconnaissance. he spent two days getting to his friends. he drank water from the swamp. he lost consciousness again and again, but he got up and walked on. he was crushed by shrapnel and bullets in the battle. because he had cossack bravery and the indomitable will of heroes should not meet everyday life, our love and attention, our gratitude and respect heal their souls, remind them of what they gave their lives for. so join the all-ukrainian flash mob of thanks to the defenders and shake the hand of the defenders, say kind words, give a

standing ovation, honor the heroes, my mother and i now live in warsaw, it is a very beautiful city, but kyiv is more beautiful for me. one day, russia attacked my country, but we were lucky, and my mother and i went to poland . i like poland, but i want go home, water, i have a lot of friends in kindergarten, i really want to go home and soon i will be back, i will be back, i will be back, i will be back, i will be back, i will be back, i will be back, i will be back, i will be back, ukraine, i will be back when we beat the russians. let's go back to our apartment, i invite all poles to visit, let there be a ukraine blitzkrieg, the russians

in the north are the first with whom we encountered it was a reconnaissance that failed thanks to such fearless soldiers we took up the defense on the road as a border guard vyacheslav call sign legate his unit took part in the heroic defense and liberation from sumy oblast and gave the muscovites a lot of trouble, the orcs who were sitting on these trucks and bmws destroyed them column after column and the guys did their best, glory to the heroes, glory to ukraine, what are we going back to, but for a very short time actually? i'm going back to the ether just to introduce you to our next conversation, which actually by the way, i conducted this interview with falomir syrokovsky. he is a polish

journalist who actually writes a lot about ukraine. well, actually, i wonder what he started in poland also with the actual collection of funds in order to buy in ukraine for the armed forces of ukraine a byraktar , so we talked with mr. slavomir about how why did he decide to do this, how do the funds go? wrote on the fuselage of that one if he manages to collect it, i really don't know. they must have baked it, let's see. so, for your attention, an interview with slovomir serakovskii. good day to everyone. my name is andrii saichuk, and today we have a guest from a polish journalist from slovomir serakovskii. mr. slovo mire and there, what is a good vision, where are we, sir, we know that you are raising money to purchase a

biraktar for the ukrainian army, in fact, in my opinion, this means that it is important for you to be in close contact with the volunteer movement, what does it mean for you brothers ukraine imposed moral obligations on the entire civilized western world , and i want to make my contribution. you are fighting not only for yourself, you are fighting for us today, the poles are next to the ukrainians, because we, like you, are defending our independence, our freedom, the byraktar has already become a symbol of this war, who is not a problem that we imitate the lithuanians, because the lithuanians behave fantastically, we are willing to take an example from them, and we also want to give a kick to the kremlin. we do not want to have only a humanitarian help, we want to do as much as possible for your protection, for your army, which today simply amazes

the world, this is the reason, how does this fundraising take place, or do willing people join it? it is a very spontaneous action. i'm not a specialist, i started creating an assembly in some plane, the first time it was inactive, there wasn't even a photo, the lithuanians were preparing for three weeks and had the support of the authorities. will be, but we are already getting to 2 million zlotys, it is still a long way to go but i think that in any case, whether we manage to collect the entire amount or not, all the collected money will go to the army aid fund of the national bank of ukraine. so we will definitely help a little and try as much as possible if you could write

something on the body of this character so that it was, and that is enough, you are good at inventing new things to wage an information war. after this war, you will teach the whole world how to fight not only with weapons, but also with words, the same word, mr. word, mr. word this week, nato took place in madrid, what do you think about its results and from the position of poland, which is already a member of nato? would instead consider that russia's attack on ukraine, which began a long time ago, should have caused the understanding that what is actually needed here is an

army . i don't understand russia's philosophy. we don't provoke russia. when we hesitate, we invite you . that sweden and finland will join nato, and you know this for the next russian forces in the north. so, relief for ukraine and salvation for the baltic countries, i really believe that this is a rebuff from russia plus a real blow to putin, who at the very beginning of the year wanted nato to withdraw from the borders of russia, instead, due to his geopolitical stupidity, on the contrary, brought nato closer to them

. and the ukrainian army showed that the second army of the world is a joke . respect not to ukrainians not even to russians not even to a russian and sometimes we don't have time here and sometimes it seems to us that the ukrainian authorities are not decisive enough about joining the eu, sometimes we hear such conversations that we will be in the eu but it is possible we can be without nato, we can have some other security guarantees with turkey, there with great britain. in your opinion, does ukraine have alternatives for its security other than nato ?

it was primarily engaged in training the nato armies in how to wage war, as your president said. do not ask us anymore whether we meet the standards of the nato army, so if ukraine hesitates today, it is not because of what he wants so much, and because of the fact that there is a unanimous decision of the western countries further in the west, there is a lot of fear of russia, i think if it depended only on you, ukraine would have been in nato for a long time, but currently ukraine is doing what is successful, i perfectly understand if the decision is now with regard to nato, it is impossible , then we look for smaller allies or try to integrate in other ways, then the last part of my answer to the eu and nato, you join every day because every day you improve your right, it becomes more european, you fight corruption, you have what times better public administration. and when it comes to the

military, you already have western weapons, learn to use them, you have already implemented nato standards for a long time. every day, you are becoming more and more a member of nato . who can poland be a good mentor for ukraine, not a teacher, who would help to make the path to the european union faster and with fewer mistakes? do you share that opinion? and actually, how could poland to become such a mentor, even if such an important mentor , i don’t think that we could be a mentor for ukraine, we can only walk side by side, i think that you can also teach us how to fight in the war, we can

help you or be a lawyer for your interests in the eu and so on, but i think that we should just be like brothers and sisters and never have anything else to do with ukraine. ukrainians also have different experiences with poland, but we will leave that to historians. instead, we don't think about who is more important or bigger, because what matters is that we are together, whether it's nato or the eu or let there be war or peace it will always be like that, and he, mr. ah, i believe he went to the revolution, i know that you have written a lot about the revolution , or i will try the revolution in belarus again. in your opinion, can lukashenko still agree and join putin's war in ukraine, what exactly is that war for belarusians belarusian among belarusians, and i actually spoke with good

experts, the support for the war is really very small , according to the results of the research of the expert institution that deals with this, i don't remember the exact name, it is only 3%. less than a few westerners countries. also, i have no doubt that belarusians are heartbroken by the events in ukraine. there is no doubt that lukashenko is afraid of putin and lukashenko. they are two cowards who ultimately hate each other. that is why lukashenko is literally putting his feet up, because for him it is simply suicide to send the belarusian army, which will immediately get to teeth from ukraine or he will learn how to fight and return to belarus and that is already a big threat for lukashenka i admire the belarusian battalions fighting in ukraine i know that they are very effective what more i know that belarusians want to join our campaign precisely

in order to show that they are on the side of ukraine and not on the side of lukashenka. i also have my own personal message. so that ukrainians and poles do not confuse belarusians with lukashenka. this is an occupied country whose president is svitlana tikhanovska. allu lukashenko is a bandit who is today a henchman of the kremlin, and both lose, the ukrainians win and belarus wins the ukrainians, we play govorushchini, that’s it, it’s the same thing, it’s a barzo, but talking about a woman for that, of course , for ukraine, it’s a lot of crying for jake, like a woman. i want to meet you and we will do it. even by chance, i want to do it. gentlemen, mr. slava was with us. thank you very much rakovsky. thank you very much for this conversation and actually. thank you to poland for supporting ukraine. actually, we are

returning to this studio. the next one of our interlocutor is already on the air and this is oleksandr kovalenko, a military and political commentator of the information resistance group, oleksandr good day, not so long ago, you actually seem to be in the wind just like espresso, they were saying that the battle of zaslavyansk could become the largest battle, if we come to that, now we see that the minister of defense of russia is already telling putin about the fact that the russian troops have completely occupied the luhansk region and it is obvious that this road to slavic is opening for them. forecasts and what should we expect now? well, in fact, sergey shogin, as usual, adds a little bit of propaganda to his reports to vladimir and

putin and misinforms him because, as of today, luhansk oblast is completely controlled by the russians it is not controlled by the occupying forces, they have not yet reached the borders of the region, and therefore it is almost impossible to say that this is some kind of control. well, they are in a little hurry. for the main goal. that is, it is the capture of lysychansk. and already directly, and the exit to the borders of luhansk oblast. there are serious problems because the armed forces of ukraine continue to block their offensive potential precisely in the direction of bakhmut, and in relation to

sloviansk, they can really now begin to engage in regrouping part of their units a, which were concentrated specifically to capture lysychansk and send them to the side of sloviansk or but there is such an important moment, the armed forces of ukraine are now quite serious, and they are destroying their management system and support system, we can see how in the last two weeks, and well, their warehouses with ammunition are exploding which were located at a more or less safe distance from the front line, that is, in the rear, we see how their command posts and control posts are directly igniting and exploding, which destroys the management of troops, and now it can be said that their goal is a fairly quick offensive of some kind - quite fast some offensive actions in the direction

of bakhmut, all the more and the concentration of offensive actions in the direction of sloviansk and it falls into such a set and they will endure pauses, they will wait for a while because now we see exactly the destruction of their er-e capabilities precisely in terms of fairly effective management of the troops in front of the new units, actually with the slavic ones, today they had an inclusion and they say that there is literally well, the cannonade does not stop around the clock and i hear that the 155-caliber artillery is working a lot. so, yes, this is what is expected this is expected because almost every place that is in the zone of direct damage by enemy artillery of russian artillery, created or reactive, they use this potential. that is, we have seen this in many cities. for example, we

we saw these shepherds. we saw it in north donetsk, even in mariupol, and now we see it even in mykolaiv and kharkiv. besides, in other cities, they use the very potency of their artillery, which has a numerical advantage now in many positions, if we are talking, for example, about the barreled pro-reactive a-a and they use it precisely for the destruction of civil infrastructure of civilian objects, and again, in this way, they carry out the very terror through which they try to put pressure not only on the civilian population, but also on the defenders of these cities, as well as directly to the authorities of ukraine, that is, they are using the civilian population right now as terrorists are using hostages. oleksandr, there were still conversations when the retreat from north donetsk was underway that lysychansk was a more profitable situation to hold it longer, and they said that lysychansk would be longer the time

to hold, however, even there, yuriy butusov , who often speaks there as a critic, from his position, from his point of view, he says that what is happening now is very organized general retreat and that is, what is the logic of the fact that from lysychansk, well, really seriously, we both understand it, we decided not to give the ukrainian armed forces well, in fact, the situation is as follows. serious, and first of all, we could observe exactly how in north donetsk the russian occupiers, after capturing verodonetsk, they concentrated 10 battalions of tactical groups and carried out a total volley of fire, namely along lysychansk, destroying it like almost every other city that is in the affected zone, and they

planned precisely from north donetsk to carry out the forcing of the northern donets, that is, to carry out a rather threatening maneuver and to implement the encirclement of lysychansk from the south to lysychansk. we saw how the concentration of forces and means of the russian occupiers whom they relocated from the dangerous area. this is about 15 battalions of tactical groups. at the same time, in addition to five battalions of tactical groups, they carried out offensive actions from the south of lysychansk. a 10 battalion of tactical groups, they were partly in reserve and partly they went in the south-western direction also to carry out the encirclement of the settlement , and therefore it was most likely that it was already known that it would still be planned to withdraw from populated area before our group of troops found itself

surrounded precisely because this idea fixed the russian command to carry out any offensive actions . it is precisely because of the encirclement of one or another population of populated area a that today we cannot risk so much hm eh servicemen, and we understand otherwise, if we were there, then, if we found ourselves surrounded by russian bakupants, they, disregarding the lives of us , even from the civilian population, they would destroy this city, for example, as quickly as possible, there would not be any civilians, not a single civilian building in the whole, and so it didn't make sense, but the same decision was made, and it was made very, very correctly. well , actually observing the logic of the offensive that continues, we understand that the goals well, they were voiced, eventually named, and these goals are to capture it

in particular, the entire region of donetsk, this is the potential that is concentrated here, all the tactical battalion-tactical groups that the russians have let down and the entire concentration of artillery and so on, in a word, to what extent will they be able to advance further, will they still reach slavyansk, etc. will be decided properly. well, your further forecast regarding the donbas in particular is that the promotion continues, that they do not have enough resources, but there is a resource for the offensive. but we need to understand the resource exactly where we are now, er, we are talking about the donbas the bridgehead, we are talking about the area where the largest number of tactical group battalions in any direction is concentrated, this is exactly what gives the opportunity to advance, the quantitative advantage, the number of both personnel and equipment, but

it is precisely on the donbas bridgehead, and the armed forces of ukraine, they primarily carry out tactics and blocking, we adopted the defense tactics of blocking this offensive, even let's say it's not blocking, but braking, so that they were quite slow and weak in this offensive, and we see how it is carried out, and they even with tactical positions do not achieve any major strategic goal on the other hand a-a which we now have directly what is our goal for today and our goal, first of all, is the deoccupation of the southern bridgehead where it is more successful we can counterattack, then we see how it is now happening in kherson it is because of the fact that the russian occupiers do not have sufficient resource potential that they cannot regroup their units, for example, from the

donbas bridgehead to the kherson bridgehead in order to hold the occupied territory, and they are limited exclusively to the slow, slow offensive on the donbas bridgehead city, and we see how they themselves are losing territory in the kherson region and even in the zaporizhia region. another goal is real. now we are focusing on destroying their communication of commanding the troops and providing the troops with ammunition and personnel technical, the number of documents, and i am sure that at the end of july and the beginning of august, we will really see not how their management and support system is collapsing, but how it is already collapsing namely the collapse and their management and provision, i.e. we must achieve these two goals now, and then it will be possible to talk about more global actions on an offensive scale, again already on the

donbas yes yes a bridgehead, but the offensive of the occupiers will continue in this area and again after all, bakhmut and sloviansk are two directions that they will use in the future to carry out their aggressive occupation actions. well, after all, when returning to the topic of the threat of the invasion of the belarusian army, they say that she it is not very combat-capable, it is not that big, however , even if we talk about 10-15 thousand mechanized artillery units, well, that is, how serious can it be, is ukraine ready for it, and what are the possible directions of attack in the event of an invasion? er, the direct invasion of the belarusian army and the armed forces of ukraine have been being prepared almost since february. we understood that the territory of belarus if it was

fully and completely used by the russian occupiers for these actions, then it can be used so that the belarusian army, after all , once came under the command of russian generals. but we expect these actions, which really pose a threat to ukraine, primarily because, well, again, this is a hospital with quite serious resources that are needed now again at the donbas bridgehead in the kherson region in zaporizhzhia to carry out counteroffensive actions, but this is a diversion of attention precisely to other directions, and indeed the belarusian army. er, distraction, it can be used by russian curators, but still, still, we cannot state that and now