the concept that was built like - do you remember yanukovych promoted the concept of the bridge ukraine, a city between there russia and western europe or some other concepts like one or another type of neutrality . i think they are a bridge. this is the conclusion, and therefore any security guarantee or any security guarantee from whomever came, which will not take into account this consequence of the war, that there are no gray areas, they will be er, well, not useful, and maybe even er, counter productive as they say diplomat, tell me, next week there will be this conference in lugano, which is being talked about a lot now, what is it like, as he said, the final chord of those international meetings that we saw this week

and the sinking itself and the meetings of the group of seven and this meeting in the meadows has one way or another therefore, it will be like this. i would say that the sketch of the marshal's plan for ukraine can be considered that way. no, it cannot be considered that way. i think we should all avoid unnecessary rhetoric and unnecessary pomp from the other side. lugano is definitely not luhansk . and lugano can talk about things that relate to such ambitious issues but i would also like to be very careful about this and say that definitely the restoration of ukraine should not just be talked about, but also planned, but any restoration of ukraine is possible only when the war ends, so any plan regarding the beginning of the recovery, it should include, and so

far i do not see it, what needs to be done right now, since the damage to the ukrainian economy is absolutely great, the consequences of this will already be felt by the people and will be felt in the closest way, and one of the it is wisdom or logic that the fate of war, as well as the fate of the world, must be decided on the battlefield - this is correct. but the fate of the country, whether it will survive and what it will emerge from this war, must also be decided in the field of economics , but here i focused more attention than on some medium-term future well, by the way, i think that your viewers understand that such conferences used to be called with the help of the modernization of ukraine, which took place annually in various european capitals, now in connection with the war - this is happening in switzerland for the reconstruction

the beginning of the country's reconstruction well, of course, we also remember some things that happened, for example , last year in washington, when it was presented for more than 270 billion dollars, if i am not mistaken , investment plans in ukraine and now everyone has forgotten about it. i would like to ask what did this plan become uh-uh, is there any uh-uh dry residue, as well, i really would not like us to hear again some incredible uh- numbers, names like the new marshall plan a-uh, but then it will turn out that there are no high-quality projects, there is no one to implement them and most importantly, i would concentrate everything anyway, the main focus is on the fact that we now need to win this war, win through victory on the battlefield, and it is worth putting more priority on it now. hryhoriyu, you are the deputy head of the permanent

delegation of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in the parliamentary assembly of the osce and the osce is one from those organizations where ukrainian deputies, i don't know how pleasant it is for you, can meet with russian colleagues from other international institutions, they are expelled from the osce. and now we know that the ukrainian delegation has now started the process of making changes to the regulations of the parliamentary assembly to suspend the powers of delegations of countries that grossly violate the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the osce states, this is an unprecedented demand in principle, because until now , as far as i can remember, none of the delegations that are part of the osce and there were many violations could count on the termination of their powers do you think that it will work out now, well, look. indeed, i am the deputy head of the delegation, but i am not at the place where the parliamentary assembly of the osce is taking place for e-e-e reasons, now all such business trips

, unfortunately, including the business trips of permanent delegations, whether of the osce parliamentary assembly, the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe or the eu parliamentary association committee of ukraine, must be carried out at the personal expense of the deputies. i believe that this is wrong. i, for example, do not i can afford two weeks at my own expense to be in chemistry and then in london, but i definitely follow. and now, by the way, i am on the way from berlin to athens only because the meetings of the international democratic union were held in berlin, where yulia tymoshenko and i were invited as representatives of the motherland,

as members of this respectable organization. already next week, tomorrow, a round table will start from the icon city magazine, the government round table, where there will be prime ministers, presidents of many countries, in particular, south-eastern europe and the balkans, greece and others, but regarding your question about the osce, i think the war has already brought and showed two future victims in relation to international organizations, this is the united nations, which failed and once again showed its inability not to be reformed, its inability to act as mediators, even though it is an armed conflict, so is the osce. by the way, the russians are they always called the osce a vegetarian organization, an organization without teeth that says a lot and does little, we saw it. by the way, when

the osce through a special monitoring mission unable not only to fully monitor, but especially to verify the cease-fire regime according to the minsk agreements within the framework of the norman format, the failure of the osce is the same now, but the only thing that unites the osce and the un is the right of veto, both there and there , if it concerns the security council and the osce, whose decisions are made by consensus, but we currently do not see the political will to overcome this evil phenomenon, when the right is clearly being used by the aggressor country, moreover, the aggressor country is also using this right to beta against ukraine, which is one of the of the founders of the united nations, and this country, russia, threatens ukraine with nuclear weapons, a country that has spent its time with the third largest

nuclear arsenal, more than china, france, and great britain combined, so i welcome the efforts that ukrainian and other delegations are now trying to make, but i i am very skeptical about their effectiveness. unfortunately, what if we talk about this meeting in berlin? what are the attitudes of western politicians in general? how do you feel? i think it is important, especially in our time, to talk. the truth and not to get carried away with such pomp or unnecessary rhetoric, that is what it is worth paying attention to, by the way, this does not only apply to berlin, there is a dangerous trend , it consists not only in the fact that ukraine is not every day on the front pages of leading publications, gazelles in magazines but it is already

starting, and by the way, the closer autumn and winter are, the more processes begin within european countries and western european countries, in particular, which are related to what happens in them every day, this is the rise in prices for food and fuel on communal expenses in some of these countries , there are elections ahead, another parliamentary or presidential election, and definitely this leaves its mark on internal debates, and often there is a big gap between solidarity in words and solidarity of hope, but on the chain, i turned attention to the second thing that i paid attention to, because there in berlin there were present not only european leaders, but also from the countries of asia and africa, so we can say that we have the unity of the west, if we can use this term, the west is still but if we

we are talking about the global south, especially the countries of africa, there is such unity in the assessment of the russian aggression of the war against ukraine. there is no, there is no, and in particular, this applies to uh, it happens for various reasons, there are historical reasons, there are other reasons, and that is why i believe that we have much more ukrainian diplomacy to finalize in order to get directions for dialogue not only within the framework of the african union, but also in individual countries, especially those that will be the first victims of the impending famine in order to explain that they should thank putin in quotation marks for the high prices of food, for fuel , and for the fact that there may be hunger, recently the former president of nigeria and the former president of liberia printed the feasibility of this article and in general

this article is very eloquent and it sounds like that there will also be african victims of the war of russia against ukraine, i think this is the danger of the lack of unity at the global level, some things that are already related to disagreements within the measures of european countries in particular, you need to react to them and not wait for something to happen because it sucks and again, the whole world will support ukraine, unfortunately, there is no such thing yet, we have to be conscious. thank you, mr. hryhoriv. i would like to remind you that the guest of our broadcast was a people's deputy of ukraine. i wish you a successful continuation of your trip, and we will now turn to the advisers of the city of slovakia, oleksandr dulyba. congratulations, mr. oleksandr dobrogo day and let's check what hryhoriy nemyriv just told us, maybe you heard the end of our conversation about this

fatigue of the west, you also feel it, well, a certain fatigue, that's understandable, because the war is already going on i am 4 months old. how does the media space work in western countries? there are such waves. if there are very popular and bright topics that are discussed, there is some kind of fatigue. well, this does not mean that there is fatigue on the part of the governments. countries of the west from the point of view of the popular popular such a vision can be said to be yes but from the point of view of the governments i do not see fatigue here there is an unequivocal position i will now say about the countries of the european union and nato of ukraine, what is the most important here, what should be highlighted, what may need to be emphasized, i think what is most important, what i

would like to emphasize is, after all, transfer, delivery, audit, tsuzan 2 is a modern weapon, it is a slovak development of this weapon, and if it should be compared with other types of 155 caliber howitzers, which ukraine it is getting very well now, it has not very bad indicators, it is in control, it is in control, that is , the size of the damage to targets is up to 47 km, and if there is a missile component in the ammunition, then it hits targets at a distance of more than 50 km. these are eight pieces of howitzers which were made for slovakia and the armed forces, our government decided to send them to ukraine , i think the training of the ukrainian military is already

ending and i said so already on but these are 72 modernized tanks, a few dozen well, there are a few. i think they see it realistically that it is a matter of days or weeks. it is probably months ago that they are connected , it is also connected with agreements with third countries because we need compensation for these tanks and we are talking about mig-29 fighter jets. this is a real matter . i see it. well, i think that it can be resolved within a few weeks because it has already been agreed with the polish government. and somewhere at the level of the ministry of defense of slovakia , poland, slovakia, the czech republic, they do not give us a year er, the protection of our airspace, because in a year we expect er, the delivery of the f16, which is already

in place, there is already a contract, it is already paid for by our pilots who are studying in the united states, and we need this compensation for a year, well, you know all this logistics of arms supplies to ukraine. i would single out two separate aspects. the first is soviet-style weapons that are known to the ukrainian armed forces. there is no problem. let's say master these weapons and use them effectively . transferred to ukraine. it works and works effectively, and this is very good news. the same is true for mig-29 fighters and modernized tanks, but the most important thing is this. well, the contribution of slovakia. i think the defense of ukraine will be a transfer of supply. of these zone 2 what is really uh-uh about this in this category

of weapons they are the only ones as powerful now as there is a nato country in honor of the chapatov zone two well no no you know it’s these ones i said yes we have two of these i would say my developments eh once upon a time, the military industry and slovakia was very powerful, 40% of our economy was generally focused on the production of heavy weapons, these were tanks of the artillery system and so on. well, all this was in the soviet license, then the russian license, and it went into decline we made a very good conversion in because instead of weapons, we in slovakia are now producing cars, modern cars, the news just came that the fifth big company is the volvo group and will invest in slovakia for the production of cars, that is, we have replaced it, well, what are the remains of artillery systems that can really be developed

themselves and also these are machines, automatic demining machines, this is bozhena. well, why is it military, uh, the name of a woman is very interesting to them, and they called these types of weapons from uzana bozhena, we can romance, this is how romances happen. yes, i think very romantic minutes, this is what president chapatov will say if we have already mentioned zozano together with his polish colleagues, because they were in awe of the decision to grant ukraine candidate status, they even went to southern european countries to convince those leaders that such a decision is times, and how did it happen that slovakia, which was never such a main, i would say such a driving engine of ukrainian european integration, now takes such an active part in this process alongside poland, poland has always tried to be ukraine's advocate the truth is that now slovakia actually claims the same role. well, i would like to say a little more about

this because the role of our president was really important. they have a very good relationship with mr. president zelensky. well, i would like to note the role of our prime minister . - minister because he was the first head of the government of a member state of the european union, who back in march at the informal meeting of the leaders of the eu countries in versailles was the first to put on the table to his partners a specific proposal regarding eu policy regarding ukraine in these situations and i was the first to be granted the status of a candidate, and i want to say that as his adviser i myself had the opportunity to take part in the period from march to the recent period when i made this strategic and historical decision around nine trips, it was basically a negotiation by the traitors of those prime ministers, heads of countries, where they were skeptics about this

decision. and the prime minister, during this period of time, he met with at least three 1/3 partners personally and where two councils of negotiations of telephones, we would work on such a form e-e answers to all questions in skeptics about this decision all ambassadors of slovakia in all countries fearing the european union received this form and they, in principle, their role was to constantly convey our position and our arguments to these governments and every month because of the subsidiary summit, i want to say that probably one-third of the countries of the states were not, if these leaders were, their identities did not identify themselves with the adoption of this decision, well, they are not spectators to all this, i think, i do not want to exaggerate the role of slovakia there was very good coordination between the minister , the president, the president, and also the minister

of foreign affairs, korchak. it was probably a drop in the bucket, as they say, but still there was a contribution and we were very happy when i myself was the plan with the prime minister on this sami we were really happy with how this decision turned out and we were no less happy than in kyiv, probably tell me. now, after this candidate status, as a citizen of a country that also joined the european union, and by the way, in difficult conditions, do you remember that it was a long negotiation process, there were internal disputes between the representatives of the slovak political establishment in society, and when it came to the european union and when it came to too much, we are now celebrating the 25th anniversary of madrid, at which your country did not join nato, although a little a little then it also says a lot, what kind of undercurrents do you see for ukraine, when will the real

integration process begin, this is just a decision, but when will it be necessary to go on the path of integration, uh, if uh, you see you in principle, the main stages of this integration process are there somewhere 14 14 before the country becomes a member of the european union, the granting of the candidate statute status, this is the fourth such stage . that the next stage and this will be the adoption by the council of the european union of the position on the negotiations of such a framework position on the negotiations before that ukraine must fulfill these conditions that were formulated there, it is very important that indeed, it is possible to do these conditions in the conditions of war, as well as transformation, and this affects the legislation on corruption, e.e., functioning, as well as institutions, because i will say yes, the main argument

was the same powerful group of countries that will be great skeptics of these judgments regarding the granting of candidate status precisely the main argument was that there were such doubts about the rule of law in ukraine how it works is ukraine capable or there what is the influence of the oligarchs on decision-making and so on and so on this is true and i understand that there are a lot of stereotypes. well, if you know, people don't often meet with ukrainian realities , they don't really see all these changes, what does this war mean, so in order to change the functioning of the state institution of ukraine, they still have such stereotypes from the pre-war period, and they are real and necessary it was necessary to talk to them and show that there is a violation. that is, er, this compromise is a stolen candidate status of moldova with conditions, if the conditions are met sometime before the end of this year, the next step should be the conclusion

the european commission and then the european council must also make a decision by consensus, so that it, let's say, approves this morning's position regarding negotiations with ukraine and then this is the next process, then the first intercity conference, the second international conference, the first international conference, in principle it has such political significance, only the second international conference can decide on the opening of specific laws let 's say this the agreement on the e-e entry of ukraine this is a very long and complicated process, we were able to implement it when did our government really change after the elections in 1998 and the government of mykolaš dzura really was a priority for him, all recent affairs took a second place, basically the orderly agenda, it was integration - this is legislation and so on. it helped a lot that the european commission created such a high-level group to help slovakia. we also

propose to create it for ukraine . it's just that they helped us with some sectoral politicians, we are also the ones who propose and do for ukraine, well, now the most important thing for us is that we together with you get this compromise solution, a historic solution, now we need to meet these conditions and then we will probably start forming something like a group of friends of ukraine or friends of the european integration of ukraine, i think there will be at least a dozen such countries, the governments of the eu countries, which will work very closely with the ukrainian government and help audi implement these somewhere about 30 chapters of the next contract of yours because how much do you think if all these chapters are implemented, what time is needed, well, we did it in

four years, and i said, with this help that we are now offering ukraine, this is what slovakia can do after all, it is a smaller country and it is possible to organize this process faster, well, it is a real process, because the agreement was such that we grant the candidate the status of understanding the geopolitical, political, economic, and so on requirements, and the most important thing is that i would say that the main argument, as in these negotiations, was the same on who have heard all these skeptics within the european union, imagine that russia will be successful in this war, what will it mean for your budgets ? and this is what you want, so what is the alternative, there is no alternative, and it was very clear in these negotiations that it is impossible to repeat the mistakes of 14th year, when

really this is what i would say is not a clear reaction of the european union, it helped to create this geopolitics is a sign that putin used in order to start this war, so it's all necessary to close this s- our s- page of our history of your history of the history of europe and now it just changes in front of him and expansion policies are not only i want to emphasize this not only homework of the ukrainian government and ukraine to implement these reforms, this is our task, this is the position of slovakia, which we convey from the very beginning of this war to all our partners, the governments of ukraine and the european union, as far as it is understandable for the countries of southern europe, because on the eve of at this summit of the european union, the prime minister of portugal, mr. kostov, spoke about the fact that ukraine's proposal to become a member of the european union could become a trap for ukraine and not a way out

. in these negotiations, they had this position: let's not make any decisions at all regarding the expansion policy, nothing to the western balkans, nothing to ukraine, moldova, and so on, let's first of all, now the conference on the future of europe is ending from several hundred proposals, how can we improve the functioning of the european union, we need many countries, he says, let's open the basic treaty on the european union, we will make constitutional reforms, a few later we will return to the question of whether to expand the european union. and this was exactly the position of portugal, spain, all of them there are several countries, well, the second is such a beast , let’s say these countries, or perhaps he didn’t say, so it’s the southern ones, let’s say austria, so they had an argument that if we provide something from ukraine, then let’s provide what with the countries of the western balkans. this

you really just know that the 27 member countries of the european union each have their own vision of their interests, their own different vision of what this war in ukraine means, let's say for these countries, some simply do not see that, let's say clearly, all the possible effects for the development, in principle , and these were very difficult and difficult negotiations . well, i am very glad that in the end, and i would really like to say that russula von der leyen played a big positive role in this, because if in these negotiations, which were already under way the time of the summit yes she simply provided the facts, and from the facts, they said , er, that is, in the direction of ukraine, if we compare ukraine, then in principle 60, about 60% of the association agreement that ukraine has already been able to implement,

let's say those who said, let's then give statutes for bosnia and herzegovina well, the argument is as if god had said this, he was able to adopt three laws a year ago, how can she work at all with the regime of the european akita, someone has - and all these real, concrete data, facts, a very positive role of these negotiations with goa, e-e, the president of the european commission, hungary, fountain, thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr, oleksandr dolyba, adviser to the prime minister of slovakia, was with us on this broadcast . on the page of the espresso tv channel and on my page in the social network facebook and we will answer these questions for you at the end of the next hour and now it's news time and i want to give you this opportunity to familiarize you with the latest

the events of this difficult summer day to my colleague iryna koval and i will get back to you literally in 10-15 minutes so see you thank you vitaliy i want to start mobilization more about how the united states of america czech republic and germany support ukraine almost 18:00 in ukraine news time on the espresso tv channel greetings to the studio of iryna koval and to top it off, the russians once again shelled the kharkiv region and hit the villages of the dergachyv and vilkhiv territorial communities, the head of the kharkiv oblast said of the military administration oleg sinogubov, three people were killed and one more was injured. local authorities ask residents to be attentive and react