yes, a military defeat. in ukraine, yes, he needs to raise the stakes and submit to someone much stronger. this is a nato country, this is the eu. through lukashenka, realism can be realized in the following scenario, this is a provocation of belarus by belarus or the russian special services by putin, respectively , by the russian special services on the territory of belarus, which are based there together with the military well, what lukashenko confirmed with his speeches that this is a joint army on a joint special service attack on the decision -making center and how for me these decision-making centers, i will repeat, are located in lukashelka's opinion not in ukraine, because i just want to remind you when he was there, remember on the map it showed who should attack and how by ukraine, he meant precisely ukraine,

namely the countries of the nato bloc. yes, in fact, the father has the possibility of a full-fledged involvement of nato in the nato countries in the war on, respectively, in ukraine. now, what kind of card is putin trying to play? with the help of putin's kotri statements at the time. thank you for joining our conversation. oleksiy buryachenko, candidate of political sciences, executive director of the international association of small communities, was in direct contact with us, friends. we are now taking a short break and then we will continue our marathon, we always show live we will pass on we will win the news together we are strong unconquered between and ukraine is a cozy and comfortable kharkiv city of students of science and industry, a city that

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no one will be able to avoid it. the president is also convinced that the world needs a political, economic and military reorientation. it is not necessary to make our democracies and our economy sustainable without taking into account our e-goals. noted that the goal should be independence from authoritarian states and the search for new partners . according to him, partners can be countries such as singapore, indonesia, and even the african continent. at the same time, the president openly admitted his mistakes in policy towards russia and he finally declared that his commitment to the nord stream-2 gas pipeline was a clear mistake oleksandr alsova, a historian, a researcher at the institute of the history of ukraine, the national academy of sciences of ukraine, joins our conversation, oleksandr, we welcome you good night in the morning or, in short, we still have to wait a little

there p. lutsenko so p. oleksandr, the world needs a political, economic and military couple orientation , the president of germany is convinced of this. and if to talk about historical analogies, that’s what tells history. what examples have we seen in previous centuries ? a question for mr. steli, the mayor. did he notice the war after the coronavirus? and this is where his entire phrase, building about democratic processes, about reorientation, dependence, independence from the pipe, that is, the plan stein-marr deliberately says that the war in ukraine

really started for him after the coronavirus, and this should really unsettle the entire audience, who should understand that the first sanctions of the countries of the european union and the united states of america were actually imposed against russia in june 2014, when the occupation of crimea took place and the transition to the ruble zone is also interesting. perhaps he simply forgot about the steinmeier formula, which he himself proposed for the settlement of the war in ukraine. of course, it is obvious that he forgot the form in the tape measure and forgot that he was not just the gas conductor with russia, he was the conductor of the negotiations between the gas supplier and german businessmen from ukraine, it is clear in history, uh, in the context, i would mention that mr. steinmeier had a predecessor , hm. what

is there, and i am talking about the iron chancellor of germany, otto von bismarck, who was stuck absolutely stuck, says that any treaty with russia is invalid and that it is worth less, any treaty with russia is not worth the price of the paper on which it is signed, this is what the germans said in the 19th century, fully understanding what the agreement with russia is, what, for example, these asian tigers are what we call them, but we must understand that the germans today are also not the ones for vaccinations, it is a pity that these are people who have borne the consequences of the second world war world war ii, we raised west germany, then raised east germany, recently paid reparations contributions for defeats in world war i and world war ii, that is, the germans did everything according to plan, and it is clear that i can understand what they have tired tired always saying something to greece,

always explaining the car, tired of explaining to the european union well, they want to live, but once they took on such responsibilities as a european leader, that is, please, mission, this cross and further, but right here we are talking about ethics, ethics in politics, ethics in diplomacy and in the context of historical events. i would like to remind you that pantenberg is not the first to express such seemingly strange villages for europeans that he was wrong for 8, well, it is already the ninth year of the war . what was wrong, in fact, we are talking about the fact that many political figures in europe and the world turned to such a plot during the 20th century, the 19th, the 18th, the 18th, and so on. because the muscovite kingdom always behaves in the same way with non -partners, it has exclusively its own interests and here they note that these interests are exclusively the interests of a small layer of the top of this, here i will just give an example of a historical one about russia, everyone will

understand everything ivan the terrible and peter and they broke through the window to europe to the sea, they made an exit and here i have a question, why are those kipaks 99% of the population was the access to the sea is absolutely unnecessary because they wanted to buy cheaper mirrors, all sorts of decorations from the direction of this war, that's why they spent their cannon fodder on these serfs of theirs, who were taken into the army like that, and that's why the very position of the ostalmar, who else is there? in russia about this he absolutely understands that he was dealing with thin layers in the checkered russian empire, which exclusively created business interests and, unfortunately, he only today understood that these buryats of dagestan are chechens who are being destroyed in ukraine and that indeed, a war unprecedented in europe began, although here i note that, well, the europeans could immediately

understand in the 14th year when they were fighting with calibers and included prohibited by various treaties, is it from you in 1925 that the chemical weapons testing treaty is from the 14th year of this did not see they endured and they obviously worked because they really were very unprepared not in the russian people not in pushkin kolotushkin and russian culture they were strong corporate business literati that is exactly the top layer and accordingly exit from they couldn't do it anymore, and this trap is really a constant one with those who start flirting from russia. they just start entering, thinking that somewhere there is a boat with slush, kalinka raspberry, and they flirt with businessmen, the final contract, no, everything boils down to a pyramid at the top of the elite who simply take you away, and there they are everything about bribery will come about murder, read it, i understand this policy , maybe for other uh reasons, when did they start, well,

the numbers of the dead have exceeded excuse me well, i think that we have today, not counting mariupol, we we we are talking only about the fourth dozen osirisians who left here like this. and if we are talking about mariupol, if we are talking about those victims of the un civilian population, then chitaymar , i think. i felt how germany paid for the victims of the nazi regime in the 60s and 70s, and when the pond collapsed, which all paid osterbalter and the worker as a percentage, here steinmar lied a little about the fact that his eyes were opened, they all we can see perfectly well, well, let's keep an eye on how this position of germany, an important country in europe, will change, after all, it is important that it begins to understand its mistakes and begin to meet

ukraine. moreover, even the devil talked about the need for a security guarantee for of ukraine , yes, but still. well, there is some positive movement in na- na meeting in ukraine, oleksandr. thank you, we have to move on. thanks for joining. oleksandr alfiorov, historian, researcher of the institute of history of ukraine, over ukraine, was with us. so we continue to talk about germany, in particular, about security guarantees for ukraine. germany is currently discussing security guarantees for ukraine with its allies, the chancellor of germany stated this in a laugh-out-loud speech - this was noted by the chancellor, it is an ongoing process, it is clear that it will not be the same as with nato members, added something to this issue is carefully preparing in the diplomatic sphere for the day when the war ends and ukraine will have its own security model and these will be clear legally verified guarantees. the first meeting of the group on international

security guarantees for ukraine, which he heads together with the former secretary general of nato, this is the address of fog rasmus, according to yarmak, the project will include the provision of modern weapons, financial assistance of the system of treaties in case of repeated aggression against the state and sanctions policy, the first reda of recommendations to the international agreement about the security guarantee for ukraine should be worked out within a month, we will hear more about it, we have such a tragic story today. yes, when the countries which we were allegedly given these guarantees. how come today we didn't get anything really and this war started and it started from a country that was also among these guarantees. i think we will never. well, i am sure

that this president and our entire team will never allow the second budapest of the memorandum , these security guarantees that i believe we are getting , they will really be legally enshrined by the task of the group on more issues of international security guarantees of ukraine, there is the development of much more serious and more powerful guarantees than in the budapest memorandum, said the former and nato secretary general anders fogh rasmussen at a briefing with the head of the president's office andrii yermakov, the day before mosen arrived in ukraine, he joined an international group of experts that should prepare recommendations for the ukrainian government on providing ukraine with security guarantees, we will hear our task to work out 100% security guarantees

, which will be much more serious and much more powerful than the many security guarantees that were included in the so-called budapest memorandum, where one of the guarantor countries , namely russia, managed to violate the same guarantees which they gave after signing the budapest memorandum, serhii bokov is now joining our broadcast - he is a political consultant, we are talking with him precisely about the topic of security guarantees. we congratulate serhii. good night, so mutual. serhii. well, let's talk about the specific points of such security guarantees. let's talk about what this might look like. the model of the guarantee in your opinion, well, look, first of all, let's remember in addition to the words of andrii

borisovich yermak and andersapegrashna, that is, to the fact that these security guarantees will definitely not be there in minsk three or in budapest 2.0 a-a the words of the foreign minister of great britain, she also says that it will be necessary to sit down at the negotiating table with putin. in istanbul, during the negotiations with the russian federation, she also proposed one of the visions of these security guarantees, that the members of the security council of the united nations should join them on a permanent basis, that israel should join there, that there china joined, france and other countries joined. if they want, and the most important of these

points that they already announced at that time, ukraine emphasizes that it is necessary for those countries that guarantee security to directly intervene in the military conflict, god forbid someone violates the territorial integrity of ukraine or - one of these countries in relation to which it will be distributed is the collective security agreement, again we return to the words of anders von grasmussan and to the words of andrii yarmak, they both say that today, this group of the atmosan fair earns , first of all, recommendations for the ukrainian government and the ukrainian president, and based on these recommendations, a whole cascade of international agreements and treaties will be formed, both bilateral and collective, that is, many third parties that

will actually guarantee the security of our state and this is, in my opinion, perhaps the most important point, mr. sergiu, in your opinion, will the security guarantees that are currently being developed depend on the results of what is happening on the battlefield. for example, such the alternative is that we expel the racists and the countries tell us that you are such good people. you did it yourself. why do you need any security guarantees, because you yourself can become a security guarantor? viktoriya vitaliy. i am sure that ukraine itself can guarantee the security of other countries and in the end. nato and we today guarantee the security of the european union, by the way , the president of poland and the prime minister of great britain, and the same general stoltenberg also speak about this, about the fact that ukraine today guarantees the security of the entire west and that is why it is

necessary to ensure victory for ukraine today so that putin cannot move anywhere else. so we already today ensure the security of the world and it is very important to provide ukraine with money and weapons so that we end this war as soon as possible and of course recalling once again the words of the foreign affairs minister of great britain, nice forest taras, that it will be possible to sit down at the negotiating table with russia only after we have inflicted on the russian occupation forces and under no circumstances should we sit down the negotiating table earlier, because it is necessary to ultimately stimulate the russians to show goodwill, just as they have already shown with good will, received as they have already shown with good will, having received kicks

for 419 million dollars on the island of snakes, this is a normal practice, they simply do not understand another language, and therefore if with them to sit down at the negotiating table today, based on the situation at the front, it will be a known loss victory, so what is the ukrainian president also emphasizing, give us an air defense system, give us lethal offensive weapons in order to be able to go on a counteroffensive to liberate the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine and after that to sit down at the negotiating table with the russian federation and, of course , it is necessary to jointly develop specific guarantees of collective security in the entire western world regardless of membership or non-membership in nato regardless of membership or non-membership in the european union, but we remember that the key goal of ukrainian integration is integration into both the

european union and the north atlantic ihor zhovkva, the deputy head of the president's office of the alliance, by the way, also when asked about these negotiations regarding collective security, he says, " wouldn't this be an alternative to nato and we're not joining nato anymore? no friends, we're joining nato, and that's why ukraine is implementing nato standards, but the standards nato is not only about the caliber-cartridge or not only about the content and appearance of the first-aid kit there and the presence of picatinny plans on the rifles. no, it is also administrative standards, it is also communication standards so that the soldiers of the ukrainian army are there e.e., the armies of great britain and the armies of the bundesween understood each other, communicated in the same military language and

could quickly solve all tactical and strategic tasks there serhiy, by the way, about the list of countries that should take part in this, we have already heard some announcements, turkey said that it could take the participation of the united states. by the way , they chose an interesting wording. victoria novant said in an interview that they would not give guarantees, which means assurances, and for her it was also fundamentally interesting how it can be deciphered, and of course the mentioned russia, should it, at the negotiating table , after the war, also give ukraine security forces, well, vitaliy is here. i think it is worth recalling the quote of another deputy head of the president's office, mr. kyril tymoshenko, just after the negotiations in turkey, he made the main communication that who ukraine sees among the guarantors

of its security is great britain, china, russia, the united states, france, turkey, germany, canada, italy, poland, and israel, and tymoshenko also says that other countries can join these guarantees, but thank you for the fact that the situation on the battlefield changes in one way or another the entire list of countries that can join this collective security agreement or the security guarantee of ukraine, after all, this meeting in turkey took place at the end of march this year, 3 months ago. and today it is already july and the situation both on the battlefield and in the geopolitical arena has changed significantly even in march, we could not have expected that there would

actually be such large-scale military support for ukraine. we will receive caesar howitzers, what will we receive american highmars why will we receive other units of military weapons, we did not even talk about the fact that the latest f15t16 fighters could be supplied to ukraine, that is, then the champagne had not even arrived in ukraine yet, and then we observed the following promotion promotion promotion promotion and again security guarantees - this is a powerful powerful ukrainian army and a powerful powerful ukrainian economy that is why already this morning it will begin in lugano conference on the restoration of ukraine, more precisely, not just the restoration of the reconstruction of ukraine and

the construction of a new, successful ukraine, we have already heard from the words of the minister of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, p. nimchynova, only direct losses of the infrastructure of various objects in ukraine, and already today it is being calculated at the level of 600 billion dollars. and in general, direct and indirect losses of ukraine reach a trillion dollars, this is according to an equally weighted consensus. according to equally weighted estimates, the same figures are given by the kyiv school of economics plus-minus accordingly, we will need to transfer this money to ukraine, but with this money we must not build a stalinist alpine, we must build here the newest, convenient, powerful state that knows how to grow economically and that really aspires to become one of

the leaders of the european union in the future, this is understandable and there can be no other option, but still, returning to the security guarantee , we have literally 40 seconds left, tell me whether russia should be a security guarantor and what guarantees it should give if it does guarantor of security i believe that russia should be one of the guarantors of security, but the question is whether russia will have nuclear weapons, for example, is it open or will it not have nuclear weapons, or is it possible that other countries will have russian nuclear warheads, for example, as one of the options or will the russian federation have an army at all or will it be a federation at all? maybe it will just be a russian republic, as the helsinki commission under the united states senate says about it, by the way , as one of the options for future development

personally, there can be a whole galaxy of different formats, russia itself can be the guarantor of security, and will russia not also need security guarantees for itself? thank you for your opinion, for joining our broadcast, serhiy bykov, a political consultant, was with us on we talked about security guarantees for ukraine well, our marathon continues, now we take a short break and then we return to the live broadcast, stay with us, we will intercept the overheating, we will win that you are not news, together we are strong, law and order is orderly changed our daily work, dedication and courage , there is the 300th. we are almost at the entrance. thank you to the police for the bread. we have not had ego for a long time and

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