formations remain optimistic and believe that these territories will continue to be ukrainian and we will be able to de-occupy other parts of the captured ukrainian territories . to say that donbas is the donetsk coal basin in slavyansk kramatorsk coal was never mined, it is not a mining town, and i will say that kramatorsk itself is in general in the donetsk region, i also have many relatives there, and it was considered such a center free-thinking always and democracy. in other words, the support of all pro-russian regional forces there has always been the smallest of the entire donetsk region, always back in the days of yanukovych and the government, when he was still a governor there, then when he became president, it was still a city of educated people of great machine-building, and that's why kramatorsk is the same a unique place, a place in the donetsk region, what

the deputy mayor of sloviansk yury podlesny told bbc journalists, he said i have only bad words to describe what is happening now in the city, uh, claiming that cluster bombs are being fired at the city, of which you mentioned a lot of shrapnel, and said yuri podlesnyi, one residential building was badly damaged, the blast wave completely destroyed the apartment, as if no one lived there , only the walls remained, said the official well, let me remind you that kramatorsk is already remains at the moment the capital, the center of the donetsk region, what is the local government, the local administration, what do they say about their priority tasks, what are the priority tasks of the regional government in kramatorsk, please? we saw, we feel, we did not have the opportunity yesterday, as our fellow parliamentarians, to communicate

with the representatives of the city government, i will say frankly, i will not fantasize, invent yesterday, there was such a dynamic, complex situation in this region that, you know, there were not long walks and negotiations, all the more that we tried to er visit a large number of er settlements and in principle you will see to understand the situation not from stories. and as for me, in fact, i will tell you that there is a problem of providing er food and to everything necessary, including medical institutions, there is a problem that these cluster munitions, which are used to spy on rocket systems, carry a double danger because they carry a danger when they fly into the territory and also when a significant part of these cluster munitions

does not explode immediately and lies er, there are fields on the roads er, and it poses a danger because it can last a long time , god forbid you touch it, er, it can break , that is, the problem is er, the disposal of such things demining is also very important because unfortunately, i say prohibited by any conventions , but it does not stop artists that there is no food or a bulletproof vest in this regard, the order is the question of er conducting er intelligence, that is, for example , the military is asking for more drones that could provide

an opportunity to better understand the situation to tell everything to the ether, but there are needs, and it should be that, uh, just increase the effectiveness of repulse, which is now given by our defenders, and including this is connected with the provision of western aid. believe me, it will be very useful here and will be adapted if there is an opportunity to use more modern western weapons, which we are helped by our partners, well, this is immediately felt by the confrontation what is happening here thank you vasyl moko on the people's deputy of ukraine and they are waiting in touch told about the situation in kramatorsk and slavyansk, this is the north of the donetsk region of ukraine. thank you for your participation. we are now adding to our e-discussion gennadiya dubova

, lawyer, candidate of legal sciences. we welcome you to hear us. good morning . people's deputy yesterday he wrote the following today in lviv is sunday well, yesterday was indeed sunday people traditionally go to church and now someone invented to start issuing summonses to the military commissariat in front of the church indignant priests, they have something to be indignant about, ukrainian churches have become a real support for our army, for temporarily displaced persons, a large part of humanitarian aid for the army and for displaced persons is delivered by ukrainian churches among the priests themselves, many chaplains and soldiers too. my acquaintance, for example, father mykhailo from the village of velikiy yaseniv, died on the front, where did the church go as a volunteer, we have a separation from the state , people go there for spiritual protection and support. this is definitely not a place where during prayer you need e

to walk and hand out summonses, we all support the ukrainian army, volunteers protect the country with dignity , there are many people who want to mobilize, but they are refused reason and responsibility should not be lost during war, on the contrary, there are many ways to invite people, age, military commissar, by place of residence, at work this definitely cannot be done in churches e p hennadiy what do you think of the idea of ​​handing out summonses to the military commissariat in churches on sunday, a person came and immediately with a summons you can immediately go to mobilization, please well, if we are talking first about the legal the aspect of what the law actually requires for the delivery of summonses, it does not contain any restrictions in terms of location, that is, there are only two vectors for the summons of the main e-e, this is the first rescue by an authorized person. that is, i know your neighbor there if he is not an authorized center for the appropriate equipment for support social so-called what we call according to the habit of the army to have so he cannot

just come there, you need to write something out, for that the person needs to be authorized this is either there the one who conditionally passed from the military commissariat or, accordingly, there for example, zhek or your employer, who actually was contacted about this and the second point is the personality of the teaching, that is, today i also heard there were cases that some photos in messengers are completely beautified. that is, accordingly, the personality of the building, the place from the legal point of view has no meaning, secondly, in fact, if we are talking about certain such political or socio-political aspects of the situation, then indeed there may be justifiable indignation by citizens who came to satisfy their religious needs and saw the state in this sacred

moment that is important to them, eh, here is a moment really from the point of view of the current legislation, it is legal, mr. genna, here is another question. well, i was writing and commenting on this and this post mykola. the question is that i do not want to incite religious enmity, but under churches, for example, the uoc mp, there is the lavra, there is pasha mercedes rules, do they also hand out summonses or not ? do you not know if it is still happening under the churches of the ugcc or under the shop of the ukrainian orthodox church? no, i will say now that in kyiv, in principle , there are isolated cases in principle of handing out summonses right on the street today, respectively, the kyiv center they usually work through employers, but again there is information and there are already some manifestations of such a situation

that exist on the street as well and from where the brothers start working in this sense, will they reach to churches e mosques and or other places of worship e time will tell but again here the question is probably rather a decision made directly on the spot here there is no situation when the central military authority accordingly accepts and tells its military commissars where to go and hand them only accordingly today tasks are assigned to a certain the number of conscripts once and for the second time, these summonses in most cases are aimed only at clarifying the credentials , that is, no one is immediately taken to the army, only conditionally to refresh the case in terms of papers to see if there are three children there - the disability of this or other grounds for postponement, what is the actual

accounting , military, accounting specialty. sensei, this practice also caused disturbance, but it was again the military command asserted and correctly said that this is the law, well, about the beaches. handing out summonses is not entirely appropriate. although it is possible to expand, you mentioned about temples, mosques , synagogues, we still have just protest temples in many religious communities, and it is possible to put this issuance and issuance of these summonses there on a wide conveyor belt, although it seems to me that this is not entirely from the point of view of maybe so according to the law, it is fair and the law is in the eyes of the eye, there is such a morality, well, it is a questionable decision, my personal opinion, mr. genius, you mentioned the beaches, uh, it is certainly legal. as you said , the authorized person came if a person

bathes there or not, as in the past, podervyanskyi said and issued a summons from the point of view, so to speak, well, in general, mobilization moments, so to speak, to the extent that this is appropriate, it seems to be written in our constitution that it is an honorable duty to serve in the army and not a punishment , that is, a person came despite the prohibition to bathe and instead 15 days and they issue a summons, is the summons a punishment or not, and did you remember the whole story about us, i'm sorry, the programs have already talked, let's talk about something in life, let's talk in odessa, do you remember this story when people were engaged in, i'm sorry, real sex just on the beach and they wanted to issue a summons to this man, but he turned out to be a citizen of belarus, you understand, and they never issued him a summons , that is, those citizens who are not citizens of ukraine who violate the laws there, well, no, laws that it

is forbidden to swim, they issued summonses to the citizens of belarus to just go out for a walk, i am asking, well, a citizen of belarus, and as far as i remember, there was a criminal case for hooliganism, and here you can also get prison and at the same time, for a serious period of several years plus, there is indeed a discussion and a fair discussion about the fact that various curfew violators or people who have committed minor offenses against them, instead of issuing administrative reports, describe summonses, and such a practice is condemned in the majority of cases. people who, due to the inertia of peacetime, make such a decision because, well, it should be said that really, before the war, until the 14th year, service in the army in our country was not perceived as something sacred, and often young people were actually frightened by this and punished. well, we know that many even went to study there only

to get a deferment and the army was not accepted if this is what our society needs in general, well, the 14th year changed everything, of course . today, we have a completely different attitude towards such indeed, the holy duty as protection from the homeland, but due to inertia, individual officials still remember that it actually seems to be a certain burden. yes, and they thus want to strengthen the effect of a certain responsibility, but these practices it seems to me that the further we go, the less we see them and they must be distorted, and here the question is again the question of the illegal plane. and the church is so morally valuable, accordingly, where there is a believer . as we have been faithfully pointed out, there is freedom of speech, which means the ability to freely practice any religion or not to practice any religion and the state should be present here, it should

be minimal, it is interesting that in our church, separation from the state is also important, separation from the state yes, but it should not be taken literally, in the sense that the temple is not the territory of the state, it is definitely the territory of the state, secular laws apply to it, except for the laws of god and the laws of the relevant religious community, in this regard, there are no problems with from the point of view of access there, and from the point of view of the place of delivery of the summons, but again, do not mix offenses with military service, mix the sending of religious rites with military service, probably purely methodologically incorrect, i think there are a lot of others options when it is possible to really throw out the relevant plans regarding the delivery of summonses, clarify with all the data , and then already determine who ukraine needs in order to protect the motherland today, too. please show whether or not women can be issued summonses by the military commissariat and at what age,

tell us about from the point of view of the law from the point of view from the point of view of the law yes, they can and vikoy is the same, you understand. if we are talking about military duty, then it is not only on men . duties there, in particular, regarding military service and paying taxes. the question is that men have, in this sense, the primary importance in terms of the possibility and use of them in the army, because as a rule , men. men undergo fixed-term military service in relation to other forms of service, in particular, contract service there, training in higher military educational institutions there, uh, women’s access has been open for a long time, and they can even be in the military at the age of 18. but again, yes the question is how, what profession does a

woman actually have and, as a rule, today we are talking about the draft or the military, those who are from the military service or those who have medical specialties, but today we are talking about what the state can do, including women attract even today isolated cases such exist, mr. gennadiy , please tell me about the responsibility for non-fulfillment of the order of this summons delivered to a citizen of ukraine, basically - this is administrative responsibility, this is a fine from 1,700 to 3,400, but such actions if it is evasion of conscription for military service can be regarded as a criminal offense, there are nuances from the point of view of proof, but basically it is an administrative offense - it is provided for by the code of administrative offenses, but in general, if we are talking about evasion of military service, then this is already the case about criminal

liability, and already in the 22nd year i saw at least several verdicts in which we people were brought to criminal liability for the fact that , accordingly, we evaded mobilization. well, the sanction which in terms of criminal responsibility is not a serious crime, roughly speaking up to 5 years of imprisonment, maybe less. what do you think, in general, the dynamics will be the initiation of similar administrative and criminal cases ? despite the fact that they have enough. well , military accounting specialties are needed today. in this sense, such information is quite contradictory about whether there are enough mobilized today or not on the other hand, i am saying that volunteers are not accepted. this is true. i myself know such people. on the other hand, they run around the beaches and hand out summonses. this is a

contradiction. i can’t conclude why this is happening. well, the real question is how many people have bought there and how many are planning to do it today. it is rightly a state secret, therefore, in this sense, how much it is and in what way the instrument of responsibility will be intensively applied. it will depend on whether the corresponding mobilization plans will be implemented if it is obvious that we are failing from the point of number of people, it will be necessary to get a whip and use it effectively and, accordingly , bring those accused of breaking the law to justice. if there are enough people, in that sense, it is unlikely that they will spend time doing things, in particular, running to catch those who, uh, do not refuse to receive a summons or did not arrive at the assembly and support centers, respectively. thank you , gennadiy dubov, lawyer, candidate of legal sciences, on

skype with our studio. thank you for your comment. director of the defense express information consulting company, congratulations, mr. serhiyovych, you can hear us. summons in the south of ukraine, it happens on the beaches, there are people who violate the rules of bathing, whether to swim or not to swim, they are issued summonses in kyiv, it happens in assistant clubs, raids are carried out, well , on allegedly prohibited nightclubs that work in outside during the curfew, everyone is also taken away by the department, they issue summonses, how effective is it for the mobilization of the state , and how effective are these for the state's mobilization, and how far are they world standards, are there corresponding

world analogues somewhere in europe, america, please, well , it's difficult for me to say whether there are world works for such measures, we heard earlier the comment of a lawyer who says that, relatively speaking, it creates certain psychological tensions in society but i think that these procedures need to be regulated in some way, because before, as far as i remember, summonses are issued directly to citizens, because they are registered in connection with one or another military commission, so now this process is what violated because there are many displaced persons who have changed their place of residence and then, in fact, within a short period of time, when moving to another city, they must be attached to one or another military commissariat for e-e, which enables a military commissar employee directly

in accordance with certain military specialties, to ensure optimal use of the human resources that are available in ukraine, if we are talking about the fact that volunteers are not taken simply, uh, chase after people who they simply met there on the way, who do not have documents, even this is served with summons you do you think that this will not greatly improve the quality of the patient who is relied on for the conduct of hostilities, but i hope that at the second stage, after the delivery of the summons, some kind of, say, techno, is correct let's put it this way here, the procedure where the professional potential of these potential people who can be called up to 80 coincides with what the army really needs and will not be 700,000 people, and

the main thing now is not to chase the mass, but to ensure the high-quality training of that personnel, which is in accordance with the armed forces, so i think that we have not simply switched to these indicators regarding the number, ignoring the qualitative approaches to the training of our of reserves, mr. serhiy well, we talked about the fact that the ukrainian armed forces unfortunately left lysychansk yesterday, and the american institute of war research reports that two top military officers of the russian federation were responsible for the capture of lysychansk, so it is so important to putin that he does not trust junior officers and the ac w ​​writes that the commander of the central military district, colonel-general oleksandr lapin, and the commander of the russian aerospace forces, army general, were responsible for lysychansk and the area west of it serhiy surikin, who also commands the southern group of russian troops in ukraine,

analysts note that the participation of such two high-ranking officers involved in the same case on a small section of the front is remarkable, probably indicating the importance that putin attaches to the capture of vysochansk and the border of the luhansk region, as well as his distrust of junior officers well, yesterday, the ukrainian president actually recorded his video message regarding the handover. unfortunately, lysychanska, in which he said that people are the most important thing for us and we we will definitely return lysychansk to our own under our control, how do you assess what happened the day before and is happening now in the direction of severodonetsk lysychansk and the actions of the ukrainian army, please well, in fact, we, uh, understood that such processes would take place on the total number of personnel and the technique of using the filled-in-land strategy

used by the russian federation in the capture of severodonetsk and then lysychansk, as noted by the general staff yesterday, on this occasion, let's really say one fighting spirit vyshkovo and strength are not enough when there is a lack of weapons and logistical support, and before that, our troops withdrew from lysychansk. at the same time, if for the russian federation, the direct capture of severodonetsk, then lysychansk is important from the point of view of such a situation. in the quotation marks of the strategic victory of entering the administrative borders of the luhansk region, then for us it is actually a certain tactical boundary that basically changes little in the defense system. now we are

we want to go to the border directly, these are all silvers, solidar, er, bakhmut is a line of defense that goes further, the enemy is now trying to use the potential that has been accumulated for the attack of lysychansk, to move behind our forces and, in parallel, try to roll back or advance the flanks from the raisin and from the pasture towards bakhmut abymunka, increase the pressure on our armed forces in this region. but it is interesting that today the general staff made a summary in the morning, where it was clear that the russian troops are directly operating with the raisin they have been repulsed from the bakhmut slovyansk highway, which is suitable for cutting, but in any case,

we understand that active hostilities will continue in this area for several months, i think, and the main task of the ukrainian side is to directly align the new the line of defense, despite the fact that the approach of our troops is absolutely controlled with the preservation of the front line without any breakthroughs there. around sloviansk and kramatorsk, everything will depend directly on the two or three days that will determine the balance of forces in this area. so the situation here remains the most difficult and hot for now, while in other areas of the front there are certain successes when we we are talking directly about the south, about other areas and about the south. where is the economy written by

the british about the fact that the advanced units of the armed forces are within sniper fire, that is, about a kilometer from the first suburbs of kherson, but the battles for the city will be difficult, well however, the operative command of the south does not confirm this information yet and says that he loves war and military achievements, what do you love, sergey? what do you know about what is happening now under kherson? well, what is mentioned is really about 1 km , that is, the range there is like a sniper’s range of a shot but there is an er in an important er passage that corresponds to the truth of the intereia in that today directly on on on in the south it is preserved better there is a certain balance of forces in the military units between the russian federation and ukraine and there is a lot of course open areas of the space where

it is extremely difficult to carry out offensive actions because it is all almost as if in the palm of your hand and now the enemy is trying to recapture those settlements which , in particular, we have already liberated literally in short periods of time in the last few days. this potemkino and banivka are directly there. peaceful eyes are exactly the population centers the enemy is trying to open, but it is not possible. we are using manipulation quite actively to strike the bases of russian troops in this area. i think that theoretically the immediate south and the liberation of this part of the kherson region on the right bank of the dnieper is quite a real task for the armed forces

. in donbass, in the zone of slavic kramatorsk, or to use the reserves for the liberation of the kherson region, it is the same for kherson and about the kharkiv region, i wanted to ask you the day before, there were several shellings of a number of districts oleg synogubov, the head of the kharkiv region, including the kyiv region itself, informed kharkiv about everything. what is the operational situation, is there a threat to kharkiv's encirclement, please ? if you look directly at kharkiv and its there, in the northern part, which is close to the

russian border, there is such a national waypoint, the enemy is trying to, er, introduce nightly hostilities from the point of view of an offensive on it's just an attempt to get closer to certain borders of kharkov, but the main effort is just that. i think that there will be a little bit. hmmm, to the north , where it is directly mentioned, there is a settlement of ruzhna. our troops can cut this road, the people of kupyansk it is precisely the use of long-range weapons in this zone that is extremely difficult for the russian federation, because in this zone we are re-tying this route , which provides the group in izyum, and is actually the main source of strengthening the entire group which then wants to move directly on the slavic side. so i think that the main actions will take place in this zone