for the ukrainian nation of ukrainian society, what should happen in your opinion and key international donors and countries that support ukraine in further support of ukraine, and also here the government should present a plan for reforms and reconstruction of the country and it will also be important to see what kind of plan it is for us and for the representatives of civil society, it is important that in this regard, we do not forget about anti-corruption. reforms, thank you tetyana pechenchyk, head of the board of the human rights center, a change in communications from luhansk, switzerland, where the international conference on the restoration of ukraine is taking place, and now we will wait for the appearance of yulia klymenko, a people's

deputy of ukraine, and the topic of chigoza, also yulia klymenko's colleague in the parliament. do you hear from me and you see , dear guests, we see, congratulations, mrs. yuliya. what do you think will be the main consequence for ukraine after the end of this conference in lugano ? well, i will also ask a question. why did not all the invited guests make it to lugano? the city mayors forbade them, you said that even without you, our position will be presented there, the ukrainian one is enough, please. well, in general, the composition of our delegation, for example, the parliamentary one, for example, raises questions because it seems that we had about 16 or 20 deputies and these are 90% of representatives of the ruling party, servants of the people , so you know the plan for the recovery of ukraine does not

concern party building, the plan for the recovery of ukraine must be first of all based on expert opinions i.e. people who understand more who are they in infrastructure who is in anti-corruption who is in infrastructure who is in nuclear energy should um move this plan it cannot be built on the principle of who is more loyal and who er let's say who has more party er because yes, unfortunately, it does not work with the plan of non-recovery, correct recovery, and the plan is primarily sectoral and it is a vision plan for the future of ukraine, and i would like it to be developed and implemented by the best experts in our country. we are from the conference, well, i would like to be at the conference, since this is a recovery plan related to e-e investment projects and construction, we would like to have clear e-e investments or at least

investment obligations for those projects that ukraine will present so that it is not a puck was just an empty empty presentation for no one reports should come uh specific projects with specific investments with specific amounts maybe they will not be invested now but they will be plans for after the war but it should be uh well if it was clear a clear understanding of who is ready to invest where and how, if this is not available, then you and i can present this plan in principle as much as we want, and it does not concern anyone, gentlemen, the topic is what do you expect from lugano from the swiss conference ? % of the parliamentarians of the sending party in our country, in general, it has now turned out that according to these new rules on the ban on departure, it is very easy to form the composition of the delegation to let someone in, for example, like this. no , we remember how petro poroshenko was once not allowed

to the nato parliamentary assembly. it seems that you have banned the departure of vladislav atroshenko, the mayor of chernihiv, why is it so selective in our border crossing? it seems that it is somewhere at the level of some higher mind, which , according to what principle, determines who is allowed and who is not . this is not surprising to me. this is the latest practice by the players from the office of the president. there can be more than six and more and more . supporters to the office to the president himself and what

is most disturbing right now is this low-key response of one of the speakers yes tymoshenko what is there what is this a bell for others yes to mind your own business there yes and why do others go away why don't they mind their own business heads, that is, this is the choice of a wheel as revenge, and this is a very bad trend, and i know for sure that this is a consequence of this by our partners, which concerns uh, what uh, what are the dividends or the consequences of this conference, which is important for us, all international sites, but of course there should be more specifics and that our partners trust us not only do we need

to show our determination yes, but also show how transparent we are and not only transparent but if there is a responsible person here in the state they are also reading the budget, which we will now adopt , it is not the same, they are also monitoring how far we have, we will tell you before the war, the signal to the military, it is in the first place or there somewhere. well, there according to the final principle, yes. responsible and the people who make this decision and in general, this is the atmosphere in the parliament, they monitor everything, and the consequences depend on this, let's say so in such conferences, thank

you . the deputy head of the president's office, take care of citizens and communities so that people will finally see you, and you are their problems for those for whom the signal did not understand the signal, there will be other ways to help communities and cities without you, that's how i understand it, let everyone in in lugano, a few years ago, the president said, yes, there is a bandit, look from here. yes, this is this approach. this approach is still present in the circle of the president, and that is why i think that this is inadmissible in general. such a principle is ours, and not only there is hunger, but there are citizens. thank you. well, how how can someone go abroad and

does not hear about the war at all and does not want to hear about it at all , but because he has a personal relationship with the president's circle, he can do anything, but people who are useful to us, they are remembered here as a robber get out of here we remember friends let's go about another question about turkey, i wanted to ask you there after the investigation of ukrainian journalists , the supply of stolen ukrainian grain, the export of it from ukrainian occupied ports to turkey , they arrested there, well, at least they detained a kazakhstani ship called live like jelly osman pashaev, a public journalist, a ukrainian journalist, a crimean-tatar journalist the origin writes on facebook, he was the first to go turkey started delaying russian ships with

grain looted in ukraine just called our ambassador vasyl the turks detained bodnara, shibek zhulu - this is a ship , this dry cargo is not yet an arrest, but the unloading of grain - it is standing in the port of karasu. black water will not be translated. the ambassador handed over a murderous package of evidence to the prosecutor general's office of ukraine. on the complete prohibition and criminal liability of captains, buyers, sellers regarding the handling of goods under sanctioned ports and stolen ukrainian grain both from the crimea and from the newly occupied territories ms. yuliya, sometimes and journalists are doing a very, very good job, which perhaps should be done sometimes by more e-e intelligence and counter-intelligence, but we thank you and poshev and his team, what are the consequences and what

should be the ukrainian position in this regard ? ukrainian grain and not only grain , i am asking, well, first of all. well, we must thank everyone who tracks the ships because they leave the ports of different ukraine with stolen grain and go not only to turkey, but also to syria and to many other er countries so er any port to which it approaches and even if it asks er to approach a ship with ukrainian stolen grain must er receive it this er port must give a refusal and that there should be rules all over the world, they can't steal grain from the russians and trade it all over the world , taking advantage of the fact that grain has risen significantly in price , taking advantage of the fact that there is not enough grain for african and asian countries, that is, they in fact, first they hold everyone hostage , blackmail them, and then they steal the grain and it they deliver and say, look, we can

sell you grain and make money from it, such a place should be clamped down hard in any country, and if turkey really imposes an arrest and does not allow unloading, reloading of this ship, it will be a wonderful president, because you know that turkey e- e b is actively engaged in negotiations on the export of opening e trade routes and the export of ukrainian grain, which we currently have, e-e, to which it is now very much e, the previous one is impressive , almost 20 million tons, they are actively negotiating and we hope that when all the negotiations will still end and we will be able to safely export our grain, therefore, from the point of view of turkey, it is not only not good that they stopped this ship, let's say, like that, but it is a precedent and a clear signal to russia that turkey is not will tolerate stolen grain and any, shall we say, crimes in the black sea because we understand that turkey is quite

influential in this volodymyr region and will continue to be influential because geographically it has so much control there therefore but again, let's do it. from our side, we should not expect that someone will intercept these vessels and constantly engage in uh, their uh, tracking, our as you rightly said, the intelligence of the sbu, counterintelligence, and also all our state bodies must provide a package of documents regarding that e of stolen grain instantly from the moment they see, and they see how a ship is loaded in the ports with ukrainian grain and sails there on a trade route, so let's do it from us we should not relax, we should have a large package of documents constantly so that we can prove that this is ukrainian grain and stop it, mr. artem, there is also the issue that some

ports on the turkish coast are private and belong to russian oligarchs, including those close to putin, who are directly interested in these thefts how to deal with ukraine and how to influence this situation, i am asking for a clear position of the president of turkey himself, with talent, we have met before and at every such and every such signal, if you remember from the wing, they tried to resolve some ferries or some other private sector in this about these transports. he reacted very harshly, but i agree with the skeleton, we don't need to count on the fact that the president himself will intervene in each and every case. i mean turkey and here we need to work more er, so er, it is difficult to work on the

presence of russian business in turkey. well, this is how it has been all these years, and here, if the general world trend is that we need to have relations there with russia and this, for example, with germany france and other european states here, i don't think that we should expect such a quick solution to this problem. yes, there are indeed problems now, but gradually, step by step, we see that turkey is also changing its priorities, and the main thing is that ukraine is at the top of the list of priorities for turkey as a friendly state, friendly relations. how is it a strategic

partner in the black sea? and the president himself constantly says this. yes, we must not be offended, we must work and show such, you know, without the undisputed e-e approaches to this issue have been resolved because it is a really difficult issue and so far there are not only turkey but also other e-e institutions that are connected, in sum, with shipping yes with sanitation and trade i know this myself because i have been delegations for something. i see how it is very important that such an issue is related to the issues of these transport nodes, and here we must insist on the institutions that are forced to make decisions

to prevent or, on the contrary, adhere to the sanctions regime. thank you. well not only stanskyi dry cargo ships take loot and help russia, but there are greek e-e minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleba gave an interview to our colleagues lb.ua, in which he said the following that greek companies are extracting russia from the smurfoil general embargo is one of the main points of the seventh package of sanctions the european union against russia should be completely isolated from world sea trade quote we want to see russia cut off from world sea trade, this means, first of all, the impossibility of operators ships to put their tankers at the disposal of the russian federation, it so happened that at least according to the latest data that i had - says the minister of

foreign affairs, the largest operators and the largest suppliers of tankers for the transportation of russian oil by sea are private greek companies, non-governmental companies, i do not blame the greek government, but private shipping companies are the largest suppliers who are essentially dragging russia out of the oil genbar's slush, this is a fact - says the minister, that is, ms. yulia is the strategy of russia's policy through the private sector private companies to do everything to export stolen goods from ukraine and circumvent the european world sanctions, how to prevent such a similar circumvention, please , well, we have already proposed to our government and our monomajorities that, first of all, we should insist on the impossibility of insuring such cargo, that is, that they turn to of different countries and in the sanctions packages there should be the impossibility of insuring such ships and such cargoes, then in principle the ship cannot

leave and anyone will not, well, will not have anything to do with it if not, the cargo ship is not insured. that is, we can say yes, as russia technically bypasses the sanctions. chartering ships and not only greece. let's be honest , 80% of them are generally transportation of oil and all kinds of different products. are located de facto in the entire zone, that is, if you look, it looks as if it is being transported, but officially in e . it it is necessary to cut down on the level of insurance, on the level of the impossibility of going to the ports to unload, and definitely only in this way, because of sanctions

due to the national legislation of countries that have ports and which have seafaring, it is necessary to cut down, it is a difficult process, but it must be done because otherwise they will constantly deal with what they will. well, de facto, they already export oil and unfortunately it is consumed, including in europe, because of such a series of suppliers, gray tankers. well, this is a video between others can run it again, i was talking about private ports, this was just a video with dry cargo, mikhail nenashev, it seems to be called who entered a private port on the territory of turkey, but in fact this is a video of osman pishaev. this is turkey, grain is being transshipped already on all e-e mercedes trucks belonging to

a turkish private company. and the port itself belongs to billionaire viktor rashnikov, co-owner of the magnitogorsk metallurgical plant, one of people close to vladimir putin, and it is very difficult, very difficult to influence the situation when all the theft takes place through russian private ports on the territory of turkey, but there is a possibility of circumventing sanctions through the schemes of the russian federation, because then there is no sense in sanctions at all, if anyway there is a bypass, please say so . i think that we want everything to work quickly and today, and not only sanctions and some er are based on international law. yes, but we know the situation is very difficult and this is an evil evil er in general under e-e relations with russia approach to such

directions it is happening and it is necessary to work in this direction and it will work. you see, i constantly talk about monitoring for us too, no one has forgotten how we have been working in the last few years, and we traded there and with belarus with russia yes, even today they are throwing us in our face and everything is being carried out, and even today it is a relationship to seed in these panel processes. but we are also going through it . we are what we passed with russia, that is, everything takes time, but it is very important to understand that we need to work and not

to wait for something, not to be offended, because everyone there immediately perceives this enemy as a monster, like us here in ukraine, and we need to work in this direction and show the world that we are also no changing, we will not be here either double triple standards to show the issue of freedom of speech and in matters of democratic processes such as corruption in other directions then yes that is, these are processes that are with one click there are not resolved and but i definitely i know that the world is changing the world and we will change the world. when they talk about reforms in such institutions as his base, as well as in honor and couples. yes, and in others. this is probably one of

our missions. as ukrainians, minister of foreign affairs of lithuania, gabriel uslansbergi, said that he does not see russia as a possible aggressor against the west and does not think that the war will go beyond the borders of ukraine, a quote, the opinion that we have not seen such a wide conflict as it is now after the end of the second world war , obviously welcomes in the air therefore, obviously, everyone think about whether it could lead to something bigger than it is now, but i would not agree with the idea that we are actually on the verge of something similar to the second world war, i do not see russia in any way as a possible aggressor of the west. i would consider russia as an aggressor who can cause many problems, but at the same time, you know, every time the western countries talk about the third world war, they themselves increase the nominal power of russia by russia in their heads, but this is not true, the west has tens of hundreds of times more power to stop russia - he says e minister of foreign affairs of lithuania and we will be able

if we go for it, the lanzbergist declared, what other mechanisms are there, ms. yuliya, are there really all mechanisms now involved by the conditional measure, or, for example, the european union, more specifically, nato well, of course not, let's start. i understand that we can say to discuss whether russia will move on to ukraine or not, while the ukrainian armed forces are holding the front line and our citizens are dying for it. therefore, this is all a good philosophy, but if ukraine cannot hold russian troops and the russian onslaught, i am 100% convinced that putin will go further, in fact, this was his first plan, the plan. and when he captured ukraine for 48 hours, then he stopped and moved on. well, these are such naive

statements for a non-lithuanian representative who is located not far from the russian territory, which has already been threatened, let's say, with the consequences of that no, i absolutely do not agree, i believe that the threat that the russian federation will go further is also the only way to solve this is to give ukraine heavy weapons so that our armed forces can hold back and repel the russian armed forces on the territory of russia. unfortunately, there is no solution to this issue, i.e. if they want the ukrainians to stop them and this army crawled into europe , they must provide not 10% of the heavy weapons we need, but all the heavy weapons we need for a counteroffensive and for throwing this horde back to their horde territory, unfortunately, at the moment, this is far from the case, we do not have the necessary heavy weapons

either for land forces or for air naval forces in order not only to hold back but to reject them, so let him better focus on the delivery of heavy weapons to ukraine. thank you. well, let's listen to oleksandr lukashenka. yesterday , his address to his nation just went viral on the internet. i understand both to europeans and to ukrainians that he always was together with russia and the belarusian army and the russian army is almost one and the same as one single union state or let's listen to alexander lukashenko please not ready we have not yet found a topic for us in this story attitude towards a possible invasion was quoted by kirill budanov, the head of our intelligence, that an invasion from belarus is currently impossible, but lukashenka's statement is now a little later, we will hear it quite clearly, he says that they will always protect their backs, they will not let

a russian soldier be shot in the back and his army was always together with the russian one, wasn’t it clear to anyone from the very beginning lukashenko asks a rhetorical question, please er, it’s probably not for us, er, we also need some conclusions from the end 21 years since the beginning of the 20th year, when we were told that there would be an invasion, all of us who were related to it felt that putin's plans , that is, this was not foreseen, he always said clearly what do you want to do, why does he personally and russia need it? yes, today lukashenko is telling him about it what bohdanov is saying, what would an expert say that today there are no such processes, let 's say it's a short, urgent forecast, yes,

but it's clear everyone must understand that belarus has already entered the war and is now looking for him let's say so others and yes in my opinion, when they are already physically present they will try to be physically present on the territory of ukraine and therefore it does not depend on the number of strike groups there and i will never forget this, do you understand the conclusions of such experts the so-called as they said that there are not enough strike groups of tactical groups er-er saturation on our borders this is all a lie for this russia does not need er-er um such and such conditions for russia now it is important er-er to enter and

then all that is needed is so barbaric such a method is wonderful and wonderful itself , therefore, for him, it is not a basic condition, therefore, the only thing that i understand for myself is that i know that there will be no such thing as in february, and he will not find it as quickly as he did in kyiv once and in this direction . i think that our military is working. that's why we need help. thank you, people's deputies of ukraine yulia klymenko and artem for something. they were with us for the last 15 minutes. thank you for participating . with our espresso channel please, in the most terrible times, serve, protect

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