bought them now to conduct a pseudo-referendum, that is, to legalize them and recognize them as objects of the russian federation, although it can officially be called subjects, although there are no subjects there, and to continue their offensive actions against ukraine on our territory, accordingly, try to implement this i know your scenario for the liquidation of ukraine as a state, if i asked the people , well, they said, i don't remember who or what, or macron. and maybe it's how they said this thesis that russia has not yet fully occupied the donbas, that is, and it will not be ready for negotiations in the luhansk and donetsk regions, and this is where i have a question. in your opinion, can it completely occupy donbas, does it have enough capacity for this, and again, will ukraine then be ready to sit down at the negotiating table after that? should it be done, i

will say one thesis to everyone absolutely in solidarity. by the way, is russia ready to buy donbas today, you will not try to do it, they do not er-e shame their victims with their losses. therefore, it is obvious why i said about the support of our armed forces and why should we keep this situation like this? luhansk region is occupied, it is already done in principle, well , a lot of work is done, considering kherson region, kherson region, autonomous republic of ukraine and these occupied settlements of donetsk region. well, they should look at us the situation sobers up, and well , that is, there is simply no question whether they can or cannot. that is, today they must think about how to hold their positions even now and how to

move to countermeasures, because what else the russian federation expected it to be in the fall when it started to get colder, when, uh, in europe, they will start pumping through their five and poland, for example, the same france, using the format of the yellow vests 2 conditionally, such a situation is also not realistic, that is, the collapse of the coalition of various there conditionally in italy you see what the situation is in germany, and in this way they will try to drag out this war and gain time. well, in fact, the threats are great, and that is why today we must use even these windows of opportunity that ukraine has today. believe me, they today, there are pretty good ones, i believe, mr. dmitry, if such a thing opens up. well, if at some point russia starts to look for attempts at some kind of negotiations, tor bargains and so on, that is, what should be our entire position, let us

hear your answer too, if we can. well, we have already seen what such attempts were made in may, when the negotiation process in istanbul took place, while it is not surprising that civil society in ukraine worked to ensure that this plan of actual capitulation was not implemented, and then the game continues to gain stronger positions for some in the next rounds, we see that the western partners are providing weapons little by little, they believe in ukraine's capabilities, and, let's say, they don't approve, at least at this stage, of any negotiations and agreements, and we also understand that when this battle for donbas began after the withdrawal of the russians from the e-e after the escape of the russians from the north of ukraine from the

kyiv region, then we talked about what was its result. at this stage, the further course of the war and the possibility of negotiations in the future will be determined. at this stage, i see that neither side neither ukraine nor russia are inclined to any kind of stoppage in this on this path, and ukraine, of course, wants and must liberate the territory and only then somehow come to some of the next ones in the process of relations with russia, well, russia sees that it has certain eh possibilities eh, through the use of the scenario of the fiery rampart, destroying the cities in donbas, it is possible in a few months to occupy a significant territory of the donetsk region and thus put ukraine in such a position that it is possible, in

her opinion, that ukraine eh will want to return again to negotiations, but so far, as of now, well, they are actually excluded, and in addition, in addition to donbas, there are many other factors at play, about which i have already said this , in particular, the southern direction, in which things in russia are not as optimistic as in donbas. i literally warn you that you you see our viewers our interlocutors in the corner we are broadcasting just this it is going online broadcast actually lugano switzerland actually this building where this international conference will be held the palace well, uh, we continue to talk for now, but we can at any moment go to the live broadcast from switzerland, i think that the question is for our experts a-a um, i will again send the data of our scouts to our intelligence there they believe that ukraine will have the first results of the turning point in the war with russia in august

of this year, kyrylo budanov said this, and the end of russia's war with russia should be the withdrawal of ukraine to its borders in 1991, i.e. from crimea to donbas. the dominance of the military forces weapons in the sky manpower well, we are not even talking about the number, although the number is also important today, that is why today the orks entered the luhansk region, tenfold dominance over our force and, accordingly, artillery, as soon as we have the right amount of high-precision artillery howitzers plus aviation believe me this will be broken and very seriously this is the first moment the second moment when we talk about the end of the war let's talk as follows on the one

hand i absolutely agree with kirill budan and with on the other side, here is the end of the war. let 's also record what we mean by the end of the war. it will be considered when some page writes capitulation. we are talking about russia because even if we throw it out of the territory, it means that the war is over. this can determine that the war is over . took a different phase of the armistice there, but until the documents are signed, where else is a plus, we do not forget that our losses must be paid with reparations, which , excuse me, will be stretched out for tens of years, and even as we talk about the collapse of the russian federations and such things, we must provide in these documents that the republics that will leave the russian federation, as a result of the operation, they must automatically leave with the external enemy, then this especially applies to the republic of buryat, i know what i am talking about and this should happen today

in vistra let's keep our political agreement on what we should agree on in the event of something. well, that is, when we liberate our territories. but again, until those documents about the end of the war are signed, there will be another an important point is the accession of ukraine to nato, that is, the collective security bloc, this is also a very important point. for what, in order to prevent similar conflicts in the future, for those security guarantees that they are trying to impose on us now with the support of andrii borisovich yarmak, i understand that he is promoting these topics i already gave comments there and read all these uh, such news, let's call it that message, well, that is, there are a lot of fantastic things, to be honest, the word fantastic is not a dump of the effect, but you just know that there are different films where is there such a genre? well, that is, in my opinion, there are a

lot of unrealistic things laid out there, and separately for this working group, which seems to be composed there, there is not a single official official or politician there, only exim, which also speaks of the seriousness of this format and in which ukraine is represented today and where different extremists come to us conditionally and the like in order to scream between us to simply launder the grant money, i still don't know , dmytro, maybe they wanted to continue. to say to skepticism, i asked this question a month ago, and two months ago, and three months ago, in the end, we all really hoped and understood that sooner or later the ukrainian troops would come out , conditionally speaking, to the position already. that's what we know that they came out near kherson, well, literally there is the message that it is already in the reach of small

arms, and not that we cannot use the same tactics as our enemies. we cannot simply destroy, for example , kherson together with the people of kherson, and we understand that the russians are well prepared and will be to try to, well, to actually defend those positions, the question is also that how can we, how can we, or will we be able to free them simply and easily, and understanding that in general, putin thinks he may be wrong, but he definitely thinks that yesterday i read icons from the british newspaper about this that time is on his side in the sense that the long war of russia is better prepared for it due to various reasons, i will not list them all, well, including because they have a better economy, for example, and including because they are ready to sacrifice more of their lives including the lives of the civilian population, that

is to say, we also have our own time, how should we be in this situation, mr. dmitriev, this is not a simple question addressed to you, i partially agree, on the other side of russia, this long ongoing war is so profitable that it is also not profitable that she was still preparing for a completely different scenario. they were preparing for a quick several-day war and they wanted to take control of the whole of ukraine through political decisions. have they changed this war? they have already lost, but they have to. i think that it is not necessary now. to cheer myself up with certain optimistic forecasts and i well, it's not that i don't agree , of course i would like to see the scenario that budanov talks about come true, but first of all, it's a little strange to me when the chief of intelligence makes political

statements and secondly, when these political statements but already very optimistic, this reminds me more of an early arrestee of february and march. when everything was very good and we are waiting for some kind of break that will come on its own. work and thought, god, if it wasn't there, i would have read it from the front so that it was an interview of kyrylo budanov. it could have been anyone from youtube experts and pseudo- experts and bloggers, literally anyone could have said the same thing, and this is strange because we are if to prepare for the worst scenarios and it will be more profitable for us because well, we will not entertain ourselves with unnecessary illusions and hopes, we have a certain advantage because the opinion and help of the west is on our side. yes , we have a weaker economy, but we see that there is a

consensus of our partners you can even say allies regarding the fact that this hole in the budget needs to be closed, it can be closed in different ways , including the way it is being said today, but at the same time, you have to take credit for the fact that different options are possible. and for example, if you mentioned the kherson region, then the thing is that there is no reason for such a massive offensive as in russia as in donetsk region. no, this indicates that they simply did not gather their reserves and resources there . the fire superiority of the russian artillery is also very well known there and it will not be easy to submit it,

but today there appeared an article with reference to our scouts in the economist about the fact that kherson is already within sniper fire distance, but really it's one thing to get close there, another thing to take this city and it's clear that we won't take kherson or berdyansk or skadovsk are we litopol or eh energodar as the russians take volnovakha mariupol to severodonetsk and so on for this we need even more resources for this it is necessary to use the opportunities for the encirclement to er destroy the logistics of the enemy er for er the supply system it is necessary to interrupt theirs it is necessary to er there to break the railways it is necessary to go in and make pincers there much wider than the frontal strike in fact this is a matter

of very er long months because if you look at the map of the hostilities from which they make a gif for the last month, then the map of ukraine behind these red spots has not actually changed in appearance, there are just a few additional spots in lysichansk -severodonetsk and a little in the north kharkiv region a month has passed and we need to prepare for the fact that there will be many more such months and well, if there is not going to be a wizard , there will be no magic wand, there will be no magic weapon that will help us, it will be such portioned infusions as possible er, of our mastering its use and well, in fact , it will all take a long time to

prepare for this, so can we even talk about any possible turning point in the war for which everyone here is preparing us for a very long time to consider the advantage of that that i believe that the absence of a negative result can also be a positive result, and this can also be considered a certain advantage, because now , after all, what is going on there for what? and there is also a continuation of such an active phase of the war . there may come a period when it will remind us more of the anti-terrorist operation with certain local operations and not what we are used to when everything is moving, everything is going somewhere, everything is changing. well, it is not as i said, as i said, it is not it changes so quickly is already slowly changing and the break will not be like the sinusoid goes and then sharply down it can be , for example, if you compare it with the

coronavirus crisis, as they said back then, ukraine came into the picture, the exit to the plateau and the acquisition of some kind of long-term positional the advantages of the accumulation of forces for the next actions of the next movements in the next strikes, i think this can also be considered a kind of turning point here in polish. i think that the fracture has actually already happened, it's just that no one has noticed it yet, but he, well, the military can already see that it actually happened, and despite that, here we are, and so on, oleksandr, you have literally 30 seconds. to move to lugana because the opening of secondary education is starting, they are going under ours today, the war with russia, so we just need to broaden our view a little and understand that this is not just a matter of a local

nature, but that this is the initial phase of the third world therefore, in this case, it is obvious to us that the war in itself, which drags on the garbage , has been around for a long time. maybe for several years, maybe not for 10 years, and so on. and our task today. of our territory conditionally on well roughly speaking well on the territory of the russian federation in this case therefore a fracture yes yes a fracture well, in principle, i think that in any case here i agree with the thesis that the absence of a negative result is already a positive and considering that the broken blitzkrieg - this was also a turning point in the global sense . thank you. have a calm and safe journey, because i am sure he is going through donetsk region. oleksandr antonyuk, a political expert, was in touch with

us . to lugano in switzerland, the conference on the restoration of ukraine continues by invitation, dear presidents, officials, ladies and gentlemen, it is a great honor for me to be here with you today in lugano, we worked together with ukraine to hold this conference i am sincerely grateful to president volodymyr zelenskyi for his powerful efforts in organizing the conference. you are now with us in an online format. for us, it is very important for everyone. it is important that ukraine is

presented here by the prime minister and also the delegation of ukraine, so i am very early glad that you have joined denis all of us are united by this desire in such terrible times of destruction and grief to give the people of ukraine the hope of returning to normal life, to peace and to a great future, we understand that there is a long way ahead , but it is not always early to prepare for peace to the european here we see on the territory of europe we

see war and therefore without unity nothing is possible we focused all our attention on strengthening the european community russia started aggression against ukraine and we united and all of us were forced to face the same challenges that were before us we must, we all sought to support ukraine on the way to sustainable development, sustainable recovery, our first step will be the formation of a structure for the long-term recovery of ukraine, the formation of relevant documents, in particular as a result of the conference, dear ladies and gentlemen, today and tomorrow we will work on the

foundation of a transparent political process, a process that is inseparable from past reforms, a process that is formed on the principles of the government, in which the criteria for stability that we share with ukraine and the international community are clearly outlined, and also the private sector and civil society, we will talk about our next steps, what we will do in the future, of course we understand that there are such questions that we cannot answer during two days. but now we can have one clear picture to start this structure, give it

all our efforts to be guided by our principles . we will adhere to the plan of the previous plan of the conference, which is based on the previous reconf e-e reforms, as well as on the further steps that are focused on the reconstruction of ukraine, we see all the steps taken by already ukraine, in particular, now the steadfast bravery and determination that they demonstrate, and this is a huge part of this, this is a defining moment for ukraine, in particular, the fight against corruption, as well

as the improvement of independent courts. that sufficient development of the economy based on the principles created conditions for the well-being of the tubers to beautify these questions here during two days, the sustainability of recovery forms the main provisions of our conference, i sincerely congratulate you on your desire to participate in our conference today and tomorrow,

many of you spent a lot of time to get here, the participants of the nobel prize winner lviv , he lives nearby and has ukrainian roots , so i hope that the conference in lugano will be really successful and this will be the foundations for a bright future that we all look forward to. thank you. it is a great honor

to give the floor to the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi. i congratulate you. you have the floor. we welcome you here luganov in switzerland. attempts to

buy our land and destroy our state institutions, to break our independence. this is a much broader worldview confrontation. the anti-democratic and anti-european system built in russia is trying to prove that it is supposedly stronger than all of us and ukraine and europe. the geographical world is trying to prove that europe is weak. is able to protect its values, such a worldview motil can be traced in all the actions of the russian state, both in relation to ukraine and in relation to all of you and all created by russia the crisis of the inflationary food energy migration

contour of which is already this worldview ideological test, but still its most brutal manifestation is this aggression of russia against our state against us the first whom it wants to return to its control zone in europe look what russia is doing destroying ukraine russia is destroying the space of everything what is important for us and for any free military life in 4 months of full-scale invasion in ukraine, 2 educational facilities were destroyed, these are schools, these are universities, these are kindergartens when the russian army uses artillery against a kindergarten or drops bombs on a school, it

will destroy not just walls and not just buildings, this is a deliberate destruction of the educational space in which the socialization of children takes place, which we people learn to be people, all our societies only managed after the covid pandemic, when for a long time education was remotely, everything just started to recover, only for a while, the children could find themselves in the usual space of communication, spacious friends, educational, i came, russia is trying to say with its blows that we will not have this at all the space of our education, why did russia fire at a doctor? in general, they can order an airstrike on a hospital or a maternity hospital, this is a manifestation of russia that it is allegedly able to

destroy the very possibility of civilization for ukraine, the basic humanity that exists in every normal country, russia shows that it even treated, even gave birth children of ukrainians will not be able to 799 objects of medical infrastructure were destroyed from february 24 to the end of june. in what other country, which is so dense, so many medical objects were destroyed in such a short period of time, this is all a deliberate tactic russia is not just bombarded, but a bet on a biological confrontation. the state of terrorism hopes that such destruction will be evidence of the inability of the democratic system and the european choice of our people to give people what