eh, in general, hmmm, in general, i think that turkey is interested in being a variant of the middle east. will allow er to gradually communicate with odesa a-a well, let's see in principle hmm, this is such a complicated , rather serious operation exactly a partner well on sorry, not an ally. we would also like to be members of nato, and then we could say it in exactly this way, but they are definitely our partner and we

count on their help. e with the flow of grain that the russians are trying to export, including transshipment of it to neutral ships there not under neutral flags in turkish ports, will turkey give advice here and not allow all this to be done e-e about the situation in other eastern countries a-a and then we have e -is interesting exclusive interview material with the operator of the stugna anti-tank missile complex and the people's deputy of ukraine from her previous residence tetyana chornovud, let's watch. and i was absolutely convinced that the next kyiv would be from the chernobyl side. of the war i finished the training courses and the day before the war i signed the contract it was not a secret for anyone

that he would attack uh, western intelligence informed us several months in advance what would happen next in kyiv, it was no for whom it is not a secret that everyone could prepare, but some listened to fables about barbecues, and some others prepared, and i will tell you that it was not even somehow prepared as i mean, i took some courses there, prepared internally, the most important thing is that a large part of ukraine, er, prepared internally that's why we were able to quickly mobilize and make a selection. by the way, i thank the western intelligence services. so that they warned, if it were not for this warning, if there was no internal preparation, the first days would have been worse, somehow everything went like this, and the positions that i i prepared and could not be hired for various reasons . and i already started working in march, the only thing i tried again was the first days of the war, at least

to get. - in the ato, corsairs already used these thighs, it was a completely different war , it was necessary to understand how to use these weapons in combat conditions, and in the first and first days of the war, it was like that in metania without any successes in principle, in the end, she got her first combat experience in chernihiv in chernihiv, ah, and then i actually worked in the defense of kyiv under the breweries. that is, i stood there for a month . i stood there for a month during this month. stugna is a weapon and ambushes are weapons of some kind of sabotage , but in the first days of the war, we had to hold the front, that is, my main one was inscribed in the front line. that is, it is a shift of a shift of a shift, but when the tanks go, you have to shoot. the first battle was very difficult. the first battle is a huge column. which was coming to brovary, there were just huge

tanks, there were just a lot of them. i'll tell you this, i do n't remember that. yes, it was without any emotions . there was so much to do at that time. there were only two hits, i'll tell you. and our position was not good, and there were not many rockets in principle. yes, we had two hits in our small unit in our unit. well, i remember. this is the second battle. yes, when we were already waiting, we were already preparing we were standing on the front line when the enemy had already moved away from kyiv i came again to the old positions to collect old things, because after the enemy was chased away, our unit together with the 72nd began to pursue him. that is, we left very quickly and many things remained in place. and when we returned from konotop, i went to the position to take things from her there from her cache and went up to the bridge where stugna was standing and there this is already a tube lying there, this is a tube from a missile that

stopped one tank attack that is, it was not the first , not the first attack it was some kind of attack a- and in side of kyiv along the brovary highway and when the tanks started to approach, they drove to my line. i shot the first tank, they then turned around and ran away. it can be included in the textbook on how to stop a huge tank column with small forces, and there is this video, the details just flash like matchsticks boxes, and this is the voice behind the scenes from the sixth tank regiment, the commander was defeated . well, this is a well-coordinated work, first of all, of the 72nd. and by the way, first of all, that corsair on the bridge that i spoke about, that is, during the second attack this corsair, who during this first battle, he was the main one who stopped that attack, he was wounded and his corsair was shot down, if you

count the work of the anti-tank missile system, then most of all, the whole stugna is knocked out, why is it so unique, you understand that it is not the weapon that shoots, the shooter is the most important thing in many of its parameters , the anti-tank missile system is inferior to other anti-tank missiles, various western ones, and even in certain parameters they are inferior to the russian anti-tank missile defense system, but there is an emphasis on preserving the life of the shooter near the thigh the gunner does not sit, for example, the russian carnet is the same in fact stugna, the same rockets with 10 kg, the same range of 5 km, but there the gunner is sitting near the installation well, there he is on his knee yes, and he is not shooting near the stugna the gunner is not standing, why is he not standing and why is it so important first of all, on the remote control yes, i shoot from the remote control remote control i have a wire of 50 m, i can be retreating 50 m, the maximum

is usually closer, but it can be 50 m, for example, when i was shooting in the forest, the arrow froze at me - i was standing on the bridge and i was under the bridge under the bridge the roof was the best place, any projectile could kill, uh, it would fall, but then we even pulled it tight to the edge and climbed into the sewer itself. i was completely protected. after that, i was completely protected. what does this mean? including the psycho-nervous state of a military man who shoots tanks, he is absolutely confident in himself. he is confident in what kind of protection he has. a state when you are confident, you feel safe, it gives you the opportunity in extreme conditions, again, to be much more accurate, again, further, er, to do more chained operations, that's why this

stugna actually turned out to be a unique weapon that has a unique result, because a soldier is not cannon fodder for a soldier - he is a professional who survives because he is protected, which accordingly has a greater range of fire , which means that each subsequent shot of his is more professional, a professional knock played us a very big role in the first months of the war, i will not talk only about kyiv, it played a role on all fronts on all fronts, here i am, for example, near kryvyi rih, and there again the first bmps were knocked out from the roofs of the buildings that approached and believe me it has a very big uh psychological effect on the enemy, they groan and are very afraid in general atgm has such an effect and even more frightening, but we have panic because when you are driving, it suddenly hits you and everything burns and you see it uh well if you survived with your own eyes if you didn't survive you

who is the one who survived next time is afraid to drive on this road. that is, stugna is a very serious psychological influence and the first month of the war it played a simply colossal role, that is, on all fronts stugna was there was now the truth is that the war has changed now it is very difficult to get along, let's say so to the target, but before they went in columns , stand up in the right place and shoot like this, now , uh, the enemy army is bypassing all the roads because of longing, they are hiding in the seats, now it is difficult to work, but in the first months of the war, first of all, and a lot of targets were hit by us, and a lot of them were stopped by the thighs, precisely with the thighs , and i will say that the weapon simply proved itself, well, in fact, it proved itself better than all of them, except that neptune is better, the same kb, the best decommutative projectile. it penetrates armor, but very he often behaves strangely, i have already shot a lot,

but until now i have not fully determined his behavior because it happens that, for example, he pierces armor, yes and you know that you hit, you hit, well, this object continues stand or even to go and then half an hour comes and it detonates in mine. by the way, there was such a case that i hit an armored personnel carrier again. i don't see the results yet, that is, i see a hit. i don't see that it ignited . i'm sorry, the shelling started and mine was damaged, well, these are the nuances of cumulative projectiles, but 80 mm rounds penetrate if you hit well and correctly. by the way, or i'm not coming. well, i don't know, to be honest, i don't know what it depends on. i just clearly know that similar

a russian cornet on my front line hit our tank and everyone remained safe and sound although it hit directly in the tower and should have penetrated and for some reason did not penetrate there, too, the tandem charge and dynamic protection should not have protected but for some reason it protected yes that is there are such nuances that you hit enemies, which happens to me, but the equipment went further, then maybe god, why didn't this happen in the offensive. the thigh is bad. very bad. why, because it is very heavy. we can't run from tree to tree like a javelin. it weighs on us. is more 100 kg ttx, you can read what's there. everything is normal, it's not that heavy, but for some reason they forget to write that you still need to carry the batteries to it, you also need to carry the remote control to it. that is, we can't take a position there very quickly. we have to sit and chat further, we are ahead of everyone, that is, what's next, well, the maid will go

first, you understand . therefore, for example, in ours shooting in our shooting . our infantry is far behind us, and the artillery is far behind us, that is, we are at the front. ambush, where we will know where the enemy will retreat. that is, this is our job, ambush. i feel quite comfortable, the only one, sometimes, let's say , the amount of risk that can be calmly perceived is exaggerated, yes, that is, from time to time, there is a

lot of risk in everything and everything else, in principle, i feel quite confident. my job is very similar to the work of an investigative journalist. yes, when i was there earlier, for example, two yanukovych penetrated into mizhhirya. find her position with tugan. the student does not shoot where someone wants. yes, she only shoots where the enemy is moving to the right place. she must see the target for quite a long time, because the rocket flies for a long time and the ring does not move very quickly, because again, it is difficult to hit targets even at fast speeds. they are moving towards shooting at me a few rockets, of course it would be possible but i understand that i have a big a-a nuance not to get in yes and there are very, very many different water ones you have to walk walk walk along the front a-a look for, let’s say, the places where you can stand next i need to prepare a position. i am preparing a position

so that it is as safe as possible for the work of my team, because it is always basically covered after a shot , that is, it is necessary to prepare and retreat. it's such a big job, but it's really, really, i go on reconnaissance a lot, they remind me, in principle, of journalistic activity, then i'll tell you honestly, i 've been preparing for this all my life. i was absolutely convinced that we would have a russian offensive and when even as a child, i lost to myself various moments. yes, i lost, er, i’ll tell you, i dreamed, er, when we were bombed, and i’ll tell you that in childhood, it was very scary. now, for some reason, i’m not scared at all, er, i’m back again i lost all those moments when i would have to fight, but never , never, in my thoughts, i could not imagine that i would be a commander, so here i had a new

experience, a very new experience that i have to command a unit. to be honest, at first i had a very small unit, but then it increased a-a hmm, it increased again at first. in this way, i, um, i was a jumper with a thigh. yes, but several thighs were in principle in my command, uh, in general, in kyiv, and in the places of a probable tank breakthrough with good visibility , they were there were standing in case i suddenly work broke and i used these people on one side and commanded on the other side, they were always at a distance, that is, they were, in principle, far in the rear, yes, they were very needed there in the event of what well, for example, one held the dam through in vyshgorod, another one was moaning there, well, she kept a huge piece of the district, yes, that is, it was

very good such places in case they might be needed, but i was still at a distance, and it’s somehow well, i’m constantly on post under shbybin and i’m very, very honest saying, she was worried that again, now we will go to what other areas of the front, all these people will be drawn up under my command, how will i deal with them? no, well, it turned out that in principle everything is fine. they were very angry because they were just being teased with the boys. yes, but they very quickly found something to answer . if someone started laughing at them, they did not ask. and this immediately made an impression on those who mocked. and now we all work as one team and in principle everything is fine with us in this regard. in any case, i do not plan to live today because, in my opinion, it is impossible and

this again- do you understand that? it doesn't allow you to tune in as they say, real samurai should only think about death and in difficult times, it works, but it only works, that is, so that you understand, when these were the first days of the war, it was a terrible famine. well, it was just incredibly cold. we were in positions without any, we did not you could even boil water for yourself so that we wouldn't be found, for example, by drones, because we are again ahead of everyone. yes, we are there. if they find us, they will destroy us. and in the first days of the war, when it was cold, very cold , it was the worst. and it was just like that the thought of how long it will be warm, how long it will be warm, then you know, we have lived through the heat, it is already such a joy, we have seen the heat, we have warmed up, we have seen spring further on , and if only i could live to see the spring, i still thought the same thing, then we got to the south, and when we got there, ah for some reason it was even late spring there, and

in the south it was also terribly cold, but it was just terribly cold, but still there was a lot of sun, and greens had already started to break through there, and suddenly apricots bloomed, that is, everything was bare, cold, it was raining , apricots began to bloom and i had one opinion at least try these apricots here, and i must say that i have already tried the first apricot there , but there are still many on the plantations, we are constantly scrambling to plant them, i am waiting for them to ripen, that is, you set such small goals for yourself and you achieve them have already defeated the second army of the world, the point is that putin does not feel sorry for people anymore, for him the military is just cannon fodder if there was some kind of approach well, like in the western countries we would have already won the war russia capitulated and so how there he can throw as much as you want. it’s all somehow still the way it is, so we can already talk about a certain type of victory. yes, we have already won this

victory. of course, we need to finish a lot . very heavy battles are again taking place in donetsk region now, but this is already a victory, this is the first victory, we achieved it quickly, lightning fast, yes, and of course the next steps will be difficult for us, i told you that even now his character has not changed at all it's more difficult to do, but because we won in such a difficult situation. trust us, everything is fine, it's just everything is fine, how he reveals a new, new facet of people in fact. well, i've known tetyana chornovol for a very, very long time, even when she was, er, press- i will be the secretary of such an organization at that time, which was also there, some fsbeshniks captured their agents and exiled them, and then there they made some kind of coup in the middle organization,

but unfortunately, it’s just like that, like war changes people in both directions, it works and now we will talk ah what is one case of how the people of the organization of the country cannot decide on their position regarding our state, regarding russia, we will talk about pope francis religious topics why lyudmila filippovich, a religious expert, please contact us ms. lyudmila good afternoon good afternoon actually ms. lyudmila is er pope francis remains er continues to produce some excuses when we say yes and no not sure not sure if the pope really er supports ukraine i'll just try to

list starting from this story with these two by russian women, supposedly ukrainian, who were supposed to symbolize reconciliation at the procession of the cross a-a it was an attempt, for example, what seems to be before the war to abandon the postulate of a just war as such, and now the new story is that the pope is going to visit moscow and then to kyiv, and i don’t understand that the pope has never in the history of the catholic church actually been to moscow. well, it’s obvious that i want to somehow become an original pope francis. is the pope doing everything well or is it possible that he is doing it for some reason? as they say in latin, jesus is spiced with the ternite , so that is, from the standpoint of eternity, he is certainly possible

that he does some things that we cannot see now in our pain in our war, is it possible that the pope really is, as they accuse him of being infantile, insufficiently intellectual, ready for his to to this to of his role, does he really remain a bit of a romantic and a left-winger, so to speak, and in quotation marks, when he was young, he was definitely like that, what is your opinion , is everything okay with dad? i think that everything is okay , in any case, he was asked at the last interview which he gave a journalist's question, are they not aware of his terrible illness, he said humorously that he was not informed about it, you know, the pope is doing what he can. let's put it this way, and when we expect him to do something like we

can't immediately start criticizing him. well, each of us has our own possibilities, you know, come on, i know it and you know it very well that he is a product of a certain time, a certain environment, the roman catholic church, a very specific structure , a very specific organization and it is clear that it is not a political party is not european solidarity or there is some other structure that operates here in ukraine. moreover, it is not a platoon, or there is someone else demanding from it what the entire ukrainian people cannot demonstrate today, let's tell the truth that we do not have everyone stands on patriotic positions who absolutely completely protect ukraine, we read all the time about some subversive groups, collaborators and so on, and

even the pope, we want him to be a holier, you know such an orthodox ukrainian, because he is a holier father, he shone. this has never happened and it won't happen, but i think that in the sky of those religious leaders who today have a lot of weight not only in religious but also in secular life, he still takes such a progressive position because he condemned the war, he condemns certain inhumane actions carried out by the russians, in particular. he spoke very harshly about the bombing of the shopping center and that there are victims there. well, you may not know that he does it quickly, if we wanted to , let's take into account, first of all, his origin and his age - this is true and it is not a single test

you understand that even though he is not wrong in matters of morals, yes , there are a lot of people near him who influence the pope, it is all his, as they say, the government or the vertican, and it is clear that he listens to from the point of view of many or the vatican, let's also tell the truth, not all of them are ukrainophiles at one time , our older brothers from moscow worked very actively there, and there is a very strong pro-russian lobby and the fact that in four months of the war, after all, a very serious thing happened evolution in his views his behavior, the decisions he makes, this is the truth, let’s remember. he started with what this conflict is , you know. he thought that it was a local

misunderstanding between russia and ukraine, not even between russia, but between the dpr, the lpr and ukraine, and it will quickly end now he is absolutely aware that this is a war, this is a full-scale war. it may even be the third world war, but no one will be able to take away from the pope his dream of visiting moscow. each of us has a dream. so pope fra has a dream to visit moscow and what this dream is constantly stumbles upon simply, you know, i would say the filth of russia, the filth of putin, the kremlin and patriarch kirill, well, this simply speaks of the level of culture of this state and the level of culture of those people who present it, to convince the pope that there is no hope of receiving an invitation from kirill from moscow well, i don't know if it will be possible. i think

that our ambassador is doing a lot today in baking in the apostolic capital. for example, there were representatives of the ukrainian catholic university there, that is, they convey information about what is happening in ukraine and ukraine between ukraine and russia, and his desire is connected with, you know, with such an age-old dream to visit the roman popes in russia and in moscow. well, he also wants to to carry out his peacekeeping function, his vocation, his mission, he wants to persuade russia to end the war, he wants to serve the cause of peace, and this desire is absolutely

natural and normal. it’s just that we, as practitioners and as realists, understand what this venture is like, as they say we do not expect positive results because we know the nature of moscow much better than the pope . we have been feeling this for about 50 years, and in the last 30 years we have seen it especially vividly since when we fell asleep in the soviet union in schools and we separated as an independent country . but what he said is that i want to go and somehow help, i don’t even know that he probably has some specific plan for how to help, but this desire may be childish, perhaps naive. well, how do you take it away from a person? there are literally less than two minutes left, one more short clarification, just look, uh, pope francis drew attention to this, uh, they recently elected

new cardinals, and uh, sviatoslav, father sviatoslav, the most blessed sviatoslav did not receive the rank of cardinal, with this pope francis broke the tradition that all heads of the ugcc received, always alone cardinal it was yosyp the blind, cardinal of lyubachivsk, lubomir huzar, and suddenly no, this is terribly strange, especially since the father, in fact, patriarch sviatoslav, he was his assistant in argentina, so you may not know him well. to explain this case, he is afraid to annoy kirill, no, i think not only uh, it’s uh, well, today it would probably be dissolved as a certain political step, and the pope all the time wants, you know, to separate himself from such secular politics, although the church is always involved in political processes and clean she has never been here, especially the vatican, which for long years, er, has determined even world politics and is now

determining world politics. i think the time will come for svyatoslav to receive this cardinal puppet to be a cardinal, because we understand that er the ukrainian greek-catholic church, do not be afraid of these eastern catholic churches. but there is a definite strategy in the vatican. and this is a continuation of this policy, you know, as they call it ost politics, because the relationship between greek-catholics and between roman-catholics, between the vatican and between the ugcc, believe me i really, really don't ask, and if, for example, it is clearly there, those contradictions or problems are not revealed, they are not demonstrated, it does not mean that they do not exist. ukrainian greek catholic church and many others have such issues as