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glory to ukraine this is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today 132 days of heroic ukrainian resistance russian occupations russia released seven missiles were fired at dnipropetrovsk region, six of them were shot down by the ukrainian military, the ukrainian authorities said, the russians also attacked mykolaiv with missiles, airstrikes were on

kharkov and slavyansk, during the day the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 150 russian invaders and burned a lot of enemy equipment since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 36,350 people in ukraine, 1,594 tanks, 3,772 combat vehicles, 806 m of rocket salvo systems, 105 anti-aircraft defenses, 217 aircraft, 187 helicopters - 2,634 units of automotive equipment, 15 ships, boats - 143 cruise missiles, 660 drones, 65 units special equipment bravado of the self-proclaimed president of belarus, lukashenko, the west is getting tighter and tighter in putin's arms, and the world is discussing the reconstruction of ukraine after the war, we'll talk about that

talk for the next hour today our guest is a politician diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin mr. pavlyk good day good health to you and i am glad to welcome you to our program greetings greetings to all friends greetings to ukraine so mr. pavla, today is the great day of international politics because there is a meeting in lugano where the future of the reconstruction of ukraine after our victory is being discussed, and in parallel today, sweden and finland are signing an agreement on joining nato and after that already, finland and sweden will begin the necessary ratification by the parliaments of the 30 countries that are part of nato, after which sweden and finland must

join the north atlantic alliance, let's start with nato, since the nato summit was held last week and there were a lot of talks with about what actually happened at this memorial in madrid, but the main question for us is why the ukrainian authorities still did not declare at this summit about the need or desire to receive a plan for the development of peacekeeping operations, let's divide the summit into madeidi on what was said publicly and what was discussed behind the scenes, what are the main results that we saw and heard. this is the first change in nato's strategic concept in 12 years, uh,

because the last one was in the 10th year, and there russia was called a threat to nato, they are her they didn't call it an enemy, but in diplomatic language it's one and the same thing and it's an immediate threat, it's a threat, there 's really no diplomacy here, it's a fundamental change from what was before, since there were words about partnerships, now it's a partnership. goodbye. and of course china is called a challenge for nato there, i emphasize not to threaten and you and for challenges, there is a fundamental difference between a threat and a challenge in the international language, the second is nato's decision to keep more than 300,000 of the armed forces on high alert and a significant part of

military military equipment is now only 40,000, an increase of almost eight times and for the first time in many years, there is a permanent stay, i emphasize not some there on a temporary basis, but a permanent , in fact, base and which is being created in warsaw, this the american headquarters are new troops and american, british, german troops on the eastern flank, so in fact it is quite a lot. well, of course, the accession of finland to sweden, which we can talk about further , and for me it is... this is the completion of a loop, an event that

began at the beginning of the 18th century and the return of ukraine as the center of europe to where we actually were, and similarly, after a long period of sweden's neutrality, finland also returned there what was happening behind the scenes is returning now, this is nato's understanding that they need to start a large-scale program before disruption, taking into account new technologies, taking into account artificial intelligence and much more , and you saw that at the g7 summit, a decision was made to further limit russia's access to these technologies, russian intelligence is working as usual in yourself and in european countries, the united states, uh, did you see in bulgaria that they already got everyone there, they bought all the optimas at retail, and

almost the entire embassy is being sent there, glory, glory to you, lord, how they say it should have been done a long time ago, and even the bulgarians, who feel a certain kinship with the slavic country or with the liberated countries and the ottoman empire with russia, have already finally got it, well, the last one . even the repetition of this formula about the open door, isn't it a certain reduction of ambitions and the need for relations with ukraine, especially since there is a candidate status in the eu and, therefore, in nato, somehow i would like to see more, and here i would not in fact, i was not looking for any kind of betrayal, since it is absolutely clear the position of nato and this is a consensus

position - this is not the opposition, this is the members that during the active phase of hostilities, uh, this is exactly what the documents of the formal point of view will not go into, but what i see is the rubicon e passed, and in fact, with the deviation to nato standards and the acceptance of e-e these standards in the field of logistics in the field of intelligence with absolutely no level of trust between our armed forces and others, in fact , the process of our e-e entry into the eastern the flank of nato, we are actually now the eastern flank over and i am sure of nato when the formal process will take place, of course, it depends on many factors , but practically the process of joining nato er-er through er-er because of our cooperation during the war has already begun,

so i will say that this nato summit it was really certain , it was significant, including from the point of view of our interaction with nato, the fact that the ramstein coalition is operating, the fact that the arms supply spreel is currently being spun, so many things are late, many things are not enough, but now they are receiving nabidi-namiku she will be. we will continue our conversation without fail regarding our participation in nato, now we have to include lugano, the prime minister of ukraine denys myhal is speaking there, and this is a conference on the reconstruction of ukraine, we will return after the prime minister presents the restoration program

with the ukrainian national stage, this is a

fast, fast reconstruction, also on the condition that all hostilities and all combat operations end, and we understand that hundreds of projects will be implemented in ukraine at various stages with the help of of international organizations and we see that the reconstruction of it corresponds to the principle of rapid reconstruction and joint investments, we see what the map is doing in ukraine

. for our partners, we focus our attention on the reconstruction of ukraine. yes, this is an ambitious plan, as well as for ukraine, in particular, for the government of ukraine, from all the initiatives that it offers, in particular, in the presidential administration, we initiate undoubtedly the first consistency and stability also, we have created coordination groups of representatives of our authorities who will participate in the implementation of initiatives. and we will also work together with abi to ensure that all decisions made by the national council are implemented. we also understand that the assets of the representatives of the russian federation will be confiscated and the funds must be withdrawn.

directed to the reconstruction of ukraine, because the aggressor must pay for all the damages that were inflicted on ukraine. we also strive to move to another level of security, so that in the future any the potential aggressor will have to know that the aggressor in any form will pay for all unjustified and unprovoked aggressive actions, this is an extremely important important point and that is why we had session meetings at which we worked fruitfully and we talked about economic recovery, we talked about that how do we strive to achieve an economic miracle in ukraine during the war and after the end of the war

? on all aspects that are present in all sectors of public life, therefore, especially with regard to the reconstruction of regional infrastructure, to do it with the funds of the state budget and not only because the costs and losses are significantly large, therefore we are already rebuilding what is in our power, another possible task is the formation of a coalition with by our partners so that we are united because we are united in defense, we also fenced off bilateral and multilateral a-a meetings with our friends, partners, e-e, with transport visits, we talked with

the prime minister of lithuania, the prime minister of the czech republic, the president of the european commission, and other partners with whom we talked about economic, economic and financial issues, in particular, industrial issues. we also talked about cars. we also talked about organizing the next conference, which will come next year, we received information that is somewhat unusual for us today, germany has shown interest in holding another conference, and i also thank the president for such an impeccable organization and wish an active involvement in holding the next conference on the

restoration of ukraine and we hope that the next conference will be called the formation of reforms for further accession to the european union. in addition, we have already held a certain number of negotiations with financial institutions, the international monetary fund and others, directing our focus of our attention to our permanent permanent partners who will be with us and have been with us for many years and will remain our friends because we will continue the process of further restoration of e-e, in particular, with our partners in budget formation and within the framework of macroeconomic stability, so that our country has the opportunity to

withstand within the framework of full-scale aggression, we, together with mr. other questions related to the restoration of ukraine because the security of ukraine is related to the general general security in ukraine because we must be actively involved discussing this issue, we should all be on the same page. ugh, we have already signed an agreement on fiscal conditions with private organized organizations. thank you very much . once again

, i express my gratitude to the president of switzerland for such support. thank you for your support and for organizing the forum, as well as for helping ukraine in further recovery. thank you, mr. presidency of ukraine, and now let's move on to the question. agency, mr. prime minister krapshin, corruption remains a big issue and you and the government and the president have made a lot of efforts to fight corruption. can you give one

specific example of your progress or the results of your work to understand that corruption will not be part of of the restoration process, thank you very much for your question, i think that this is really a very big question, because before the war, ukraine took a lot of measures and actions to fight infra-corruption within the framework of the infrastructure, therefore, the creation of such a clear partnership, therefore, as we see in lugano the answers of denys shmygel, the prime minister of ukraine, to the questions of the gathered public who want to participate in the restoration of ukraine, but just now the prime minister was asked about the successes of ukraine in the fight against corruption, well, obviously there will be many such questions because foreigners want to understand that they they give money to the authorities that are fighting corruption and that

are making some progress in this direction. well, of course , representatives of nato and the european union articulate the same questions when they talk about possible membership of ukraine in the european union or the north atlantic alliance. i hope that pavlo klimkin, diplomat, politician, a person who headed the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine for five years, from 2015 to 2014 to 2019, will join our conversation again, and we will continue our conversation. since we have already started talking about the results of the summit in e-e madrid and about the requirements set by foreigners, including regarding the implementation of certain e-e points mandatory points for ukraine and the european union talks about seven points in the e-e preparation program for ukraine's accession to nato obviously there will be no less, mr. pavla, but we just

watched the broadcast from lugano and shmygalya, the first question that foreigners asked was what are your successes in the fight against corruption and how fundamental will these questions be, the fight against corruption, the reform of the security service of ukraine, the judicial system, the prosecutor's office, e- the higher anti-corruption court, er, we will gain independence, as far as ukraine can hm, respond in a timely manner and quickly to those issues and which are formulated by the measure . the same issues are perfectly clear, they are important for nato, they are important for the eu, but in fact they are important for us, in the end we are doing it all not for the eu and not for us there, we are doing it for ourselves, it is actually quite a funny situation when we

they said, well, well, even in our country, the eu requires and we do n't really need it, then why do we need it ? eh, 100% of the problems will be very many, you say what it is conference on reconstruction well, you can call it that, but in fact it is in the process of the introduction of dis and the process that will follow from the restoration, i would call it the restoration of ukraine, but if you want a better word . a candidate for the european union - this means that now we have to become part of this event as we have shown that we have values ​​so we have shown that we

are ready to fight for them and this is actually unique even for the western world and what we have there admire, it's also very, very cool, but we need to go through this period of transformation, and it's not only the fight against corruption, it's not only the form of the judicial system, the law of the security agencies , that is, everything when these are certain conditions that guarantee us a way forward, and then there will be further negotiations on opening and negotiations according to active chapters i remember very well visa-free er and business there everything is very simple this is what we talk about in school first we talk about what we have to do and this is a common understanding it is not only an iestiv understanding then we understand priority task, then we start doing it and then the european commission monitors everything,

checks it, we make a joint report, in fact, they then we, and then we work with mistakes, so it will be, and in this there are no other options, in fact, there is no process of joining the eu - it is not that there it went well there it didn't work out, it's not good. this is a mandatory program and it will be completed even if the tasks are solved. so we will solve them once until the moment the result satisfies both us and the european union, there are no other options. no, because this school analogy, it is possible, seems so somewhat banal, but it is an absolutely real analogy, this is how i understand the association agreement and i remember, but first of all, visa-free, but it will be so big, gigantic. if you want visa-free in many areas, that's how it is and it will work

so that i am sure that we will fulfill everything, we have no doubts, this is about the future of ukraine, how can we not fulfill something? well, about the future of ukrainian society, which is now paying a very high price for its future with the lives of its citizens and of course not a single person or official will be able to stop this process because, in principle, the whole society chooses this future. if we return to lugano, yesterday at the opening of the international conference on the restoration of ukraine, president zelenskyi spoke. he spoke about the purpose of the restoration plan of ukraine and what ukraine will have to face in the near future, let's listen. ukraine offers its national reconstruction plan, on the basis of which it will be possible to implement every

the initiative of every idea, as well as it is completely rational and precisely in ukrainian interests to use funds that will be directed to reconstruction, and among the key principles i would note the following: maximum safety, maximum technological efficiency, maximum compliance with environmental standards , maximum application of green technologies, maximum implementation of the principles of poverty reduction, maximum focus on the interests of communities maximum transparency when planning the use of funds for reconstruction projects, as well as maximum the rooting of the reconstruction project in real economic life in order to realize all this and for the results of the reconstruction to work in the long term. well

, here it is probably worth adding an important component. what is necessary in the restoration of ukraine is political will and political management. how will the government manage this ? war, we know that there were a lot of questions about the targeted use of certain funds, about how funds are used for large-scale construction, e.e., in your opinion, to what extent did the war change the current the ukrainian government, well, of course. the war changed everyone. i support the principles that we now heard from volodymyr zelenskyi. well, what about us? not only the transformation that we have, but also the entry into the european union, and these processes must be combined. this is absolutely it is obvious. well, there is a separate one that will not lead the processor of the entry into the integration process. its

transformation process is one and the same process. or rather, two sides of the same coin. therefore, in fact, i would, for example, go further to create a joint institution in order to manage all of this. process, and it actually provided all the principles that we just heard about, which is wonderful , and there, starting from transparency and ending with green technologies and barrier-free, all this is absolutely cool . depending on the european union, how it will be resolved and the ukrainian representatives. well, i hope that there and simka will be involved, well, what kind of governing body should there be?

provided with regard to the platform, uh, it’s all there, uh, different ideas of the usual can be discussed, but for me, community is very important. well, we can’t separate the process of joining the ds and the process of transforming the country, so it’s all one and the same. and why do we need er, there is some special process where there will be management of the european union, where there will be management of the seven and you will be the management, let's combine it, the unique situation of the transformation of the country after the war with russia, and this will be the contribution of the seven, and it will be the contribution of the network to our security