of the annual gross domestic product of the country, the gdp of the country is 7.5 years, let's say the amount that we will receive now, let's say the military aid is 7 billion, this is approximately 7%, then the gdp that is predicted for this year is predicted somewhere in the region of 100 billion dollars here, respectively, it is easy to easily calculate it is already 7%. we are sorry to hear from pavlo sheremet's issue of the plan for the reconstruction of ukraine, and that's the end of it. glory to ukraine is a verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. good day and good health to all. today is the 132nd day of heroic ukrainian resistance .

russian occupation russia fired seven missiles at dnipropetrovsk region, six of them shot down the ukrainian military, the ukrainian authorities said, the russians also attacked mykolaiv with missiles, airstrikes were on kharkiv and slavyansk, during the day the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 150 russian occupiers and burned a lot of enemy equipment with the beginning of the great war, the russians already lost in ukraine 36,350 people 1,594 tanks 3,772 combat vehicles 806 artillery systems 240 247 rocket salvo systems 105 air defense means 217 aircraft 57 helicopters - 2,634 units of automotive equipment 15 ships, boats 143 cruise missiles 660

drones 65 units of special equipment bravado of the self-proclaimed president of belarus lukashenko the west is tightening its grip on putin and the world is discussing the reconstruction of ukraine after the war we will talk about all this for the next hour today our guest is a politician in diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin mr. pavlenko good day good health to you and i am glad to welcome you to our program greetings greetings to all friends congratulations to ukraine so, mr. pavla, today is a great day of international politics, as there is a meeting in lugano where the future of the reconstruction of ukraine after our victory is being discussed, and at the same time today, sweden and finland are

signing the nato accession agreement, and after that finland and sweden will start the necessary ratification by the parliaments of 30 countries that are part of nato, after which sweden and finland should join the north atlantic alliance, let's start with nato, because last week the nato summit was held and there was a lot of talk about what actually happened at this memorial in madrid, but the main question for us is why the ukrainian authorities still did not declare at this summit the need or the desire to receive a plan let's divide the summit in

madeida into what was said publicly and what was discussed behind the scenes, what are the main results that we saw and heard, this is the first change in nato's strategic concept in 12 years, since the last one was in the 10th year, and russia was there called a threat to nato, they didn’t call it an enemy, but in diplomatic language it’s one and the same and it’s an immediate threat, there’s no diplomacy here, it’s a fundamental change , previous to what was before, because there were words about partnerships, now it’s a partnership. goodbye. well , of course, china er, it is called a challenge for

nato, i emphasize not to threaten and you and challenges , there is a fundamental difference between a threat and a challenge in the international language, the second is nato's decision to keep it in a state of heightened combat readiness more than eh 300,000 eh armed forces and a significant part of eh military military equipment now it is only 40,000 eh an increase of almost eight times and for the first time in many years there is a permanent stay i emphasize not some there on a temporary basis but permanently actually a base and which is being created in warsaw , this is the american headquarters, this is new troops and american, british, german troops on the eastern

flank , so in fact it is quite a lot. such a loop of history as for us with candidate status in the european union is the completion of a loop of events that began at the beginning of the 18th century and the return of ukraine as the center of the eu to europe where we actually were, and similarly after a long period of sweden's neutrality, finland too what was happening behind the scenes is returning there now, this is nato's understanding that they need to start a large-scale program before disruption, taking into account new technologies, taking into account artificial intelligence and many other things, and you saw what was adopted at the g7 summit

the decision is to further limit russia's access to these technologies, russian intelligence is working like crazy in european countries, the united states, hey, you saw in bulgaria that they already got everyone there, they bought everyone's optima at retail and almost the entire embassy is sent there, glory, glory be to you, lord as they say, it should have been done a long time ago, and even the bulgarians, who feel a certain kinship with the slavic country or with the freed exit of the ottoman empire with russia, have already finally received it, well, the last one. this is a really important issue for the last few days, people have been asking me. and why is there nothing in the documents themselves, even a repetition of this formula about an open door, or is this not a certain reduction in ambitions in relation to ukraine?

especially since there is a candidate status in the eu and, therefore, in nato, i would like to somehow to see more and here i wouldn't really look for some kind of treason since this is absolutely clear nato's position and this is a consensus position - this is not an opposition, this is many members that during the active phase of hostilities, uh, this is precisely what will not be discussed in the documents of a formal point of view but what i see is that the rubicon has been crossed, and in fact , the deviation of nato standards and the acceptance of these standards in the field of logistics in the field of intelligence with absolutely no level of trust between our armed forces and others actually began the process of our entry into the eastern flank of nato

in reality, we are now the eastern flank of nato, and i am sure that when the formal process will take place, it depends, of course, on many factors, but practically, the process of entering nato, through, through, through our cooperation during the war, has already begun therefore, i will say that this nato summit was really certain , it was significant, including from the point of view of our interaction with nato, the fact that the ramstein coalition is operating, the fact that now the spreel of arms supplies is being spun. so, many things are late, many things are not enough, but now supplies in the near future, she will submit as we have already started talking about the results of the summit in madrid and

about the demands made by foreigners, including regarding the implementation of certain mandatory points for ukraine and the european union, the union is talking about seven points in the program of preparation for ukraine's accession to nato will obviously be no less, mr. pavla , of course we watched the broadcast from lugano and from shmygel, the first question that foreigners asked was what are your successes in the fight against corruption and how fundamental will these issues be in the fight against corruption the reform of the security service of ukraine, the judicial system of the prosecutor's office, the higher anti-corruption court , the independence, to what extent ukraine will be able to respond promptly and quickly to the issues that are formulated by the measure now before ukraine and in relation to nato and regarding recovery and regarding the european union, yes. these

are the same issues, it is perfectly clear, uh, they are important for nato, important for the eu, but in fact, they are important for us, in the end, we do it all we do it not for the eu and not for us for myself, it is generally quite a funny situation when we said , well, even in our country, the eu requires it, and we don’t really need it, so why do we need the whole process of joining the eu ? also do here there is no doubt er, 100% of the tasks will be very many. you say that this is a competition for reconstruction. well, you can call it that, but in fact, the process of entering dis and the process that will follow from the restoration, i would call it

from the restoration of ukraine, but if you want the best word for me, this is a transformation, we are transforming into a part of the event granting us the status of a candidate for the european union - this means that now we have to become part of this event. so we showed that we have values. so we showed that we are ready to fight for them, and this is actually unique even for the western world and the fact that we are admired there is also very, very cool, but we need to go through this period of transformation and it is not only there the fight against corruption, not only the form of the judicial system, the law of security agencies , that is, everything when it is, after all, certain conditions that we they guarantee the way forward and then there will be negotiations, then there will be openings and negotiations for obtaining the heads. i remember very well the visa-free er, and in terms of

business there, everything is very simple in the field, we talk first, we talk about what we have to do and this common understanding is not only an ideological understanding, then we understand the priority of the task, then we start doing it and then the european commission monitors it all, checks it, we make a joint report, in fact, they, then we, and then we work with mistakes, that’s how it will be, and there are no other options, in fact there is no process of joining the eu - it's not that it went well there, it didn't go there, it didn't go well, it's not good. this is a mandatory program and it will be completed, and if there are problems, then we will solve them again until that moment. the result will not satisfy both us and the european union, there are no other options, this school

analogy may seem somewhat banal, but it is an absolutely real analogy, this is how i understand the association agreement and i remember, but first of all, visa-free, but it will be such a big, gigantic one . if you want visa-free in many areas, this is exactly how it will work, so i am sure that we will fulfill everything. i have no doubts about the future of ukraine, how can we not fulfill something? and about the future of ukrainian society, which is our future is now being paid very dearly by the lives of our citizens, and of course not a single person or official will be able to stop this process because, in principle, the whole society chooses this future. if we return to lugano, yesterday at the opening of the international conference on the restoration of ukraine, president zelenskyi spoke talked about what the recovery plan of ukraine aims to do and

what ukraine will have to face in the near future, let's listen ukraine offers its national reconstruction plan on on the basis of which it will be possible to implement every initiative of every idea, as well as it is completely rational and precisely in ukrainian interests to use funds that will be directed to reconstruction, and among the key principles i would note the following: maximum safety, maximum manufacturability, maximum compliance with environmental standards, maximum application of green technologies, maximum implementation of the principles of unrestricted unity, maximum focus on the interests of communities, maximum transparency when planning the use of funds for reconstruction projects

as well as the maximum rooting of the reconstruction project in the real economic life of ukraine in order to realize all this and for the results of the reconstruction to work in the long term. well, here it is probably worth adding an important component that is necessary in the reconstruction of ukraine - this is political will and political management, how will it be managed the authorities because, well, before the war, we know that there were a lot of questions about the targeted use of certain funds, about how the funds are used, small construction, eh, in your opinion to what extent the war changed the current ukrainian government, well,

unconditionally , the war changed everyone. must be combined. it is absolutely obvious. well, it is separate, it will not lead the process of entering the integration process, its transformation process is the same process. or rather, two sides of the same coin, so in fact, i would, for example, go further to create a joint institution in order to manage the whole process and the chain actually provided all the principles that we just heard about and it's great and there starting from transparency and ending with green technologies and barrier-free everything is absolutely cool but what will we have a joint institution where there will be representatives of the european commission or the european union, depending on how it will be resolved, and

ukrainian representatives. well, i hope that simka will also be involved, well, what kind of governing body should there be? by the way, from the representatives of civil society, what proposals did the european union provide regarding the platform, er, there are all these, er, different ideas, of course, it is good to discuss, but for me, the community is very important. well, we cannot separate the process of joining the ds and the process of transformation countries, it's all the same and the same. why do we have a special process where the management of the european union will be, where the management of the seven will be our management, let's combine it with the unique situation of the transformation of the country after the war with russia and this will be the contribution of the seven and to our security, it will be the

contribution of the grid, but first of all, the european union, eh. in which we will continue to move and let it be active management, i immediately hope that no one will then sing songs about the so-called external management, well, before there, the passenger liked to sing it, but now the passenger is forbidden. so all the others must be recorded, and why is there also a tumult in the topic, that's why i went precisely to the common history, it is not necessary everywhere there must be common management and what are some directly practical practical aspects but what we have to do calmly interest for us it was uh more unique, so definitely today jose borel wrote a blog and wrote about the fact that the european union is gradually freeing itself from the dependence that has long influenced political decisions despite the aggressiveness of the president of the

russian federation vladimir putin eh a high-ranking representative of foreign affairs and security policy writes to his blog by the end of 2022, the european union will reduce imports of russian oil by 90%. we are also likely to rapidly reduce gas imports vladimir putin believed that europe would not dare to introduce sanctions due to its energy dependence on the russian federation - this is one of those significant miscalculations that the russian regime is making during this conflict. as borel says, europe did it in order to protect democracy and international law and of course the european union will face serious difficulties with energy carriers as far as this story with russian gas and oil we understand that 90%, eh reduction of imports up to 90% by the end of this year

this will cause serious damage to the russian economy to the extent that the russians can reorient themselves , for example, to the countries of asia or the east and in some way sell their gas, oil in the same india or in china, let's sell flies and meatballs here, as they say separately, now russia on a day receives more than a billion from exports yes uh there are plans to reduce this now declared by the european union they will work in this direction and this is beautiful russia already sells part of the oil from uh at a discount, in particular to asian countries in particular, to india, to the european union so far, and those who object not to

transport russian oil on their dresses in particular play this and this opposition also need to be submitted and a compensation mechanism should be found here, this is a very important story if they do not insure russian oil in london if it will be delivered by greek ships, how will it be found on the world markets, and i believe that this is the first and very important step, don't talk about some abstract numbers, let me say yes, we don't transport oil anymore, so we we no longer insure oil, so we left russian oil, even as a mixture, we do not import it to the european union, and even if it is 49%. here it seems that this is no longer russian nato. that is why the sanctions need to be made so that they are hermetic, you know how you close a bank there so that no one will jump out of it and that there are no options for that and this is actually the number one task, i have not yet read what zep e- eh, but this is the

standard logic of the european union in recent days, i think that i fell for it, i don’t know if there is something completely new there. but the first again emphasizes on this is to avoid the sanctions code and make it so that the european union or the states or simka do not transport or insure and the lines are related to sea routes for oil. i.e. the cost price plus a few dollars, and then everyone builds this cheap oil for happiness, buying the actuality of this process is holding it back, but if it worked out, it would actually be wonderful i think that russia is now working like a fool in order

to fend off this plan and a myth or not want it to accumulate as a threat that if it becomes real then they will not be able to finance the perspective of the autumn budget because oil gives more than if you seriously look at the ratio there approximately 2.5 tons of oil and theirs and let's see if it's in the russian budget in general and how they will jump further, but for now they are actively trying not to influence napoli and other countries, and this will be their strategy for the next month in the future, anyway, russia, remember as makeyen said, this is a gas station controlled by the mafia , uh, the gas station needs to be closed so that the mafia does not know what to distribute, what to sell, then muffins are cherries cherries will then be

reloaded by the mafia that's how you really need to act . well, gas is a big next step. i understand that you can't give up gas so quickly, but there must be a plan and it will help the european union move into the next green reality. and then everyone whined whined suffered suffered and here they have a unique opportunity at the expense of our suffering and to use this one, they will use it and ppietskyi hour and mr. pavla, tell me, where do you think this limit of strength is when the russian federation simply peels like an ordinary glass jar from the sanctions from the fact that makes the west. i think that this limit is a significant reduction of budget revenues, because they live there by 40 plus or minus percent due to oil and gas, plus there are also many minerals,

that's what jesus on the economy, they are due to exports of their resources and live. what else is there? what is there ? yes, there is high-tech, but in general there is no high-tech. and anyway, people there are really running away, and we definitely need to limit their profits in connection with e- with the sale of energy carriers and other products, you see that they say yes, russian fertilizers are so important, without it, everyone will starve, and do not allow this logic to fall on others, do not make any concessions there. margin of safety we we have to understand this and speak honestly about it, but the sanctions are in effect, they are effective enough, russia hopes that this winter the european union will begin

to lift some sanctions, there will be no gas, there will be no oil, it will be cold and the bills will be bigger. well , we need to talk to the people earlier, european politicians did not want to talk to them they talked and said that somehow we will fix it, and now maybe they will talk, let's go and make certain compromises, it will not be easy history plus the elections in the united states in november this year are very difficult there discussions between democrats and republicans, therefore, in fact, autumn and winter will be difficult periods , we need to prepare for it. we need to prepare for what we had and still have . various statements that russia is a single state for belarus, the belarusian army and

the russian army are a single army. well, he also said that he ordered the units of the armed forces of belarus to target the decision-making center in in the european capitals, let's hear about it, i want to tell those who are worried whether lukashenko will fight there or not, listen, we will fight again, we will repeat it only in one case if you cross the last meter of our land and invade our land if you kill our people, we will respond, so how president, i will say , do not touch my state, do not touch my belarusian people, if you still have feelings of self-preservation, i want to warn the hawks and tell you frankly a little less than a month ago i ordered a division of the armed forces to take aim, as it is now fashionable to say at the decision-making center in your capitals, with all

the resulting consequences. instant, just in one second , we have what you will answer, and not only what we talked about recently with the president of russia, here lukashenka has such rhetoric when he talks about a union of states, he says. we are creating one state. and now he says, i will not allow them to insult my country, i will not allow them to insult my people, well, that is, he has mine, my foreign people, ours. there is no such division, but we are dealing with another one. excuse me, clinical idiots on our border, and we see that this disease is progressing, what should be the response of both

the world and ukraine to these constant threats of lukashenko , because lukashenko threatens ukraine, he says that ukraine has fired some missiles in the direction of the russian federation, while he himself says that since february 24 belarus is participating in the russian-ukrainian war and that he has already decided long ago what he wants to get in return, he wants to raise the stakes, while he himself will not raise any stakes in words. he has an animal sense of power and he wants to stay in power, so i believe that right now, the risk of a full-scale company in belarus is of course serious but relatively low. if russia wants to escalate, this risk will naturally increase, just as the risk of provocations on the polish and lithuanian borders will increase. it is already there.