how they caused more destruction than the fascists during the two years of occupation from 1941 to 1943. let me remind you that in two years the fascists killed a little more than 10,000 in the city of mariupol. times more russians did not cause disasters and murders than the fascists during the two years of occupation, the russians killed more in two months and destroyed more, that is, if we look at the city, 2,600 high-rise buildings, 50% of them turned into ashes, that is, they destroyed 1,356 buildings leaving only guests in these buildings carefully 22,000 places of its population, if you calculate how much it costs, about 50% will be restored at a cost because it will be necessary to build new houses, you must understand that the figure is more than 14 billion us dollars and

today i thank our international experts who today unite around the formation of such a strategy for the recovery of the city of nanogo and our partners and sisters, the city of gdansk, which today occupies such a leadership position, the cities of warsaw and rotterdam, dresden, which also had such the destruction during the second world war, they want to help today our mariupol to restore it on uh, you have to understand that today we are sad. this is such an expert environment and we are forming such a strategy that will become such a big plan of the marshal, which today already announced on the fourth and fifth of july directly by mr. president volodymyr zelenskyi and we also want to become such a section to this marshal's plan and through our centers that we are opening throughout our state of ukraine, the center of mariupol, a center

of support and assistance for the people of mariupol. we want to discuss this strategy, and we also today have to understand that the leading position in this recovery will also be occupied by our large business that was before that and was also destroyed in the city of mariupol and also wants to restore our own production in the heroic in the city of mariupol tora , we are already preparing we are forming an expert environment, we are calculating how much money is needed, and if we restore the given thing that was destroyed by 14 billion, we must also decide what we should do with the damaged houses, that is, we will transform them into nano or we will repair our same also cautious such figure figure from the point of view of restoration of this component somewhere 6 billion, that is, in general, to restore that mariupol will be somewhere more than 20 billion us dollars and we have already started

preparing for this, mr. vadim, i still want to return to the present of mariupol you wrote that the residents of mariupol currently receive 5 liters of drinking water per week in order to get to the recruitment points, residents are forced to queue from the very morning, water alone remains one of the most pressing problems in the city for people to survive they collect water in puddles and sewers, but it is dangerous because all over the city there are improvised cemeteries and spontaneous burials of garbage. tell me more about the humanitarian situation in the city. what is happening there at the moment. at the beginning of the war, mariupol was left in very difficult humanitarian conditions. that is, it is a humanitarian situation . crisis and that is why today our mariupol city council and our deputies are concerned about what is happening today in mariupol and we appeal to the international

community and the red cross and the un to determine what is happening today under what conditions today it is directly to this gento that our honorable drawings are being held, it is necessary to understand that their efforts are to supply water to the city of mariupol, this is a backup source of our uh-uh, such and such a source of water supply, which has the name of the old crimea, this is a backup source, and the main source is the northern donets, which today cannot be restored it is billions of us dollars and it is a long time, two years, to prepare to restore the water supply, the backup source is very hard and very poor quality water, and the amount of this water is also limited, that is, this water enough for 9 months, they are also trying to make this water supply, but you have to understand that they destroyed 435 km of the water supply network

, that is, it is impossible to do and they do not work . garbage dumps are developing, which since february no one has been cleaning in the city, that is , the municipal authorities are not working today to collect garbage. that is, thousands of years of garbage have already accumulated on the streets, and there are also large burials in these garbage cans. spontaneous burials, what kind of people did people build people in other cities, but they stopped. and this is all that develops with this water, and this water moves towards the rivers, the sea, in the well, in the well, where people today take water, and the water is poisoned there, and we see that they are lying . saying that 13 people fell ill with infectious diseases and they are trying to treat them and they involve doctors who

travel from tyumen, from there somewhere they invite these doctors, but you also have to understand that there is no network, there are no hospitals, they destroyed 29 hospitals unfortunately, only two remained, but for this they robbed these hospitals, took away all medicine and medical equipment and took them to donetsk, and they say that this is what they brought as a gift from the russian federation to donetsk. that is, we have to understand that there is no medicine, no water in the city there is no food and people are not living today. unfortunately, they are surviving , so we are appealing to the international community to determine what this is and what kind of signs it has. this is a genocide - it is something that the russians created today directly in the legal city of mariupol, vadim a brief clarification of how many people are currently in mariupol, according to the latest information, unfortunately, they

were almost 100,000. now, unfortunately, more than 120,000 people thought its population because they say they come to the place to see, they stayed in your whole apartment so that you can determine your property and some other kind there they tried to create such an informational space about this propaganda , they spread this lie that they will compensate for destroyed housing and other such things, that is, they occupy people nothing is happening and thus increased the number 120,000 people of the local population remain unfortunately in this ghetto in the city of mariupol what what you also reported that russia probably had such a plan for the reconstruction of mariupol even before it actually could have even before it even invaded ukraine, that is, its actually they

understood that the city would be destroyed from the very beginning . why do you think so? this is my direct opinion . why i think so is because the first thing they were preparing for this war was to destroy 15 baud of the city's electricity supply in a week, so you need to understand where it is. where this network passes into the city, how uh, it was necessary uh, um, somehow, to have the sense to have such guides and adjusters of this fire, that is, they were preparing for this war in advance, that is, for 8 years. they were preparing for this war, and then they only they destroyed the place after two months, they say that they are ready to restore the place and we understand that we need to create a project, we need to do geodesy and other things, we need to take a lot of certain steps there in order to start construction.

that is, we understand that they were preparing for this and today we see where they are doing it, they are doing it on the borders of our city, where they attacked and stormed our city. that is, it is our western borders and the south-western, that is, we have an effort today and we have a desire to go to block the city of mariupol, that is why they are they say that they are restoring life, they are building two buildings there, but we have to understand that they destroyed 1,356 buildings of multi-story demolition workers and almost 20,000 e of the private sector, that is, they are building two buildings, but we have to understand that this the fortifications made it a shield with which they should protect the city. thus, when we go to the deblockers in the near future, we will do it. and they are thus preparing for the miracle of

posters and human life. we see that there is no such sense for them, that is, they killed more than the fascists in two years of occupation in two months 22,000 dead and once again emphasizing this quite carefully this and therefore yes i confirm this that they were taking place and before the war they were preparing for their propaganda videos that they are restoring life and lives are already being built and we see that they are all there , videos are distributed exclusively for the domestic consumer, but our local population, our residents see what is happening and tell us about this, so we inform you about that life. what are the unbearable lives that our mariupol people have today directly surrounded by goethe, which was created by the russian occupation authorities and the russian army in the city of mariupol, vadim, you talked a little about this project .

kyiv, vinnytsia, dnipro, poltava, tell me more about these centers, what kind of project, why is it needed , and what is its purpose, the first one was very important and so difficult, uh, such a situation, such are our efforts to save lives, that is, the evacuation of the local population directly from the city of mariupol, so that our mariupol residents were able to return to ukraine, to return to normal life, and directly mr. president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi did everything with his team so that we could save the people of mariupol even today in pre-controlled parts of our state in this window of opportunity, unfortunately, only since march 13. we managed to open these corridors without a regime of silence, unfortunately, but people began to leave for the occupied berdyansk, then to go to the controlled territory to zaporizhzhia and so on, that is, 104 thousand of the local population have already

received this opportunity came to ukraine before that and also left mariupol. another hundred thousand, that is, more than 200,000 people are located on the map of our country in different regions today, so we determined whether through mobile operators, where today in our mariupol we, on behalf of the military administration of pavel kyrylenka, worked on this and created such support centers for the people of mariupol. that is, where the people of mariupol work for the people of mariupol, that is, those people who also came out of this hell are working today and help and support the people of mariupol in legal matters social issues, restoration of documents in which they have unfortunately lost , doctors who do the initial examination are also working in the world there are psychologists working for children and adults, that is , such an environment is being created. that is, this is the

mariupol building in vinnytsia, in the dnipro, which is its e khmelnytskyi kropyvnytskyi frankivsk environment. that is, where there are mariupol people, help goes to them, and now we are working on other steps, that is, we have already created a healthy center to save the lives of our residents of mariupol have been convicted, and already next week there will be the 3rd round, where our parents and their children will be able to receive such wellness complexes of various activities, and they are also very popular, that's why we we also want to create a similar center in dnipro, and we are currently working on it, that is, there are several steps, the first step was evacuation, now it is help from the point of view of support and assistance to mariupol - the main thing is that they do not lose faith in themselves and in

our state, ukraine, so that they are needed today by our state of ukraine, that is why we are creating such centers of support and assistance to our shanome residents, as regards the residents of mariupol who were forcibly deported either to the occupied territories or to the territory of russia. what do you know about them now? they have the opportunity to somehow return to the ukrainian territory. yes, we understand this, we understand that almost 50,000 of the local population were deported or such a false part. them either to the far east or siberia. and there they arranged for our citizens of mariupol to work, but

they did not fulfill the promises that were originally made to our people of mariupol, so the people of mariupol there also see that they are being bullied because they have the sign of ukrainians, that is why they are insulted there and called benders and they only want to go back to our ukraine, so we are doing everything to return them to our state of ukraine. thank you to all the volunteers who support this movement today, and many mariupol residents are returning today via poland or the baltic states through the western part of our of ukraine and then they already go to the support center in mariupol. that is, we are working on this, we understand how many people are there today, we see that there is only abuse there, there is nothing to show support and help and that is why we are working to ensure that all ukrainians, all mariupol residents who left for russia,

return to our state of ukraine. thank you, mr. vadim. we all ache for mariupol. thank you for what you are doing. we are preparing for this. thank you, vadym boychenko, mayor of mariupol. yes, indeed, mariupol is actually there . and it is near the sea, and it is very beautiful, and there was a lot of it. so, in the city, in the very center of all these different industrial zones, and there is a chance to actually make it much better, in fact, after the war . well, what a chance is an opportunity, you know. what from

us always gives means as they always said and now what to take everything and destroy, well, they destroyed it, so it's interesting, let's build something even better, so after uh, when mariupol was first freed from russian occupation, it changed a lot, it rebuilt a lot many investments there were also international partners in mariupol, and they built a beautiful park there, i came every year because the city well, yes, and that's why i had the opportunity to monitor these changes, and i was always surprised how mariupol became a beautiful european city, which one you probably know they looked there at those occupied territories and thought that they must have been jealous and always like that. maybe even an element that and we will destroy everything for you so that, as that

unknown russian soldier somewhere in the kyiv region said, you thought something here, that we would allow you to live better чем мы мы in mariupol just at that moment the city was probably developing very well in general, very well but it could be even better yes and actually because of this international partners are gathering certain already there are some sketches of the skin of architects there such and there well already something something some sketches are drawn then rebuilding is even better than it was, and it was a business card literally like this, from the east, someone said a little earlier that mariupol should really be made a beautiful resort town after reconstruction. mariupol will not be a resort town because ilyich was there, it was all very important, it is very cool

beaches, such parks, it is simply fantastic there, and therefore it hurts a lot for mariupol, in the end, we continue the topic of rebuilding ukraine after the war, i will remind you that on july 4-5, a conference was held in lugano, the countries managed to express interest in the reconstruction of ukraine, in fact, our cheka officials were looking for investments there and presented their plan for the reconstruction of ukraine in the amount of uah 750 billion, and they promise such an approximate estimate. of course, this is money are you included? we have already discussed this. please tell me in more detail. yes, let's ask english-kyrie. the architect didn't ask anyone. yeah, i understand. listen, this includes money, money, money.

reconstruction, in particular, and investment projects are different , by the way, somewhere. sat in the back part, were you called to the board or were you really not ready." and it is planned to attract from confiscated russian assets, but everything else, after all, is the help of investors and international organizations, actually here is an interesting aspect of how to make it so that a-a during this time until the plans are worked out until we understand how all this will happen so that our countries decide to help us anyway, do n't be disappointed. oh, don't be disappointed. here we are again. the first question will still be a question of security . the second question - will it be a question of course or not? can you trust us, this is a matter of trust, well, that is, here, in

principle, i think everyone understands it. i think they understood it. and in lugano, mr. anna kyriy, architect, representative of the architectural chamber of ukraine, we are joined by ms. anna. good day, are you still in lugano in an hour. okay, then we have a maximum of 55-56 minutes for a conversation. i understand that it remains so good, we are short. that is, we started talking about the fact that it is also possible to rebuild in different ways. for example, there is warsaw, which was simply destroyed, but there is simply nothing left. from warsaw, so the germans destroyed it after the second world war and they actually restored everything that we see now in the center of the historical center of the royal castle, the walls, everything, everything, everything was restored practically from scratch, just having pictures, what pictures and so on. and this is the question of what needs to be rebuilt, well, i don’t know whether the zhovki castle,

for example, was fantastic, the soviets left little of it, the russians, but well, that is, how did they leave everything after it was destroyed, everything can be restored, we know how okay, but there is something that for example, over there in mariupol , we are now talking, we just talked with the mayor of mariupol, that everything can be restored as it was, is it possible to re-plan the city itself? this is precisely the philosophy of the city, to make it with new views on urban planning. what is your opinion, of course. we we shouldn't rebuild as it was. we should rebuild better than it was. such was smuhan lugan, who spoke a lot of our foreign colleagues bill bag better, that is, these are parcels that we should rebuild, but rebuild better than it was. by the way, you mentioned the experience of warsaw. they weren't quite there either, so they were rebuilding as it was

destroyed before that, in fact, there was such an interesting story... warsaw just didn't want you to see their sights as they were... before the war, before the occupation, before poland had an occupation russian empire 100 years before the war, and that's why when they rebuilt their monuments, they returned to the times before the occupation and rebuilt the monuments based on the paintings of artists of the period when poland was great, that is, to say a televised important story, it concerns ours literally for a second, i have a question that always bothers me: sophia of kyiv. yes, this is our super symbol, it was not destroyed in kyiv, they did not get to kyiv, luckily they were stopped, but we understand that in the 18th century, in particular, in the 19th m century constantly

it was rebuilt and reworked precisely under the russian rule here and every time, and they approached the so-called moscow, volodymyr, sus-dyr style, which has clear signs here and there of the mongolian khanate, of that mongolian civilization, well, how should we deal with that ? on the one hand, it is already our own, it is native, and on the other hand, well, we know that it was not designed that way, but it was designed more to what we see in romania, it must be restored, yes, if there is a monument, it is standing. it's not destroyed, of course you don't need to touch it, but there are certain principles in restoration when the opening takes place, that is, some kind of foam is opened, er, some fragments of the monument are opened, because what can be understood are these historical layerings ? in sofiivska and ours, this principle is also applied. this principle

is understandable in switzerland, the internet is bad, well, it's just a problem, we constantly have problems with the connection a little. it's not destroyed yet, it's better not to move it, of course. the principle of disclosure, when you can open a piece of the wall and see how it was built before that in different historical times, such a principle should be preserved and applied to other monuments actually returning to the topic of the great reconstruction and so when

we talk about this and this history and and when that that is, these are very large-scale, well, large-scale projects, and if we are talking about the reconstruction of the city , it is about reconstruction, about re-planning. maybe even what should be the role of the architect? natural way, evolutionary, for example, from kyiv, we see it on the example of kyiv, which is incredibly electric. were able to stuff something here, we stuffed it and then surrounded it with a fence so that no one would come in like that. yes, but but this means that the city is sometimes deprived of some cozy places, and on the other hand, there are still some things left in the soviet union where, in my opinion, they

were counting on the fact that if you can hold a parade here, if you can land a nuclear plane, well, that's it, somehow. and what do people here have to come somewhere later on sunday? well, you understand their problems, there are many such layers here. let's say so. i would still put the internal culture of a person in the first place, and i mean, first of all, those people who have the resources and who make decisions, that is, it is no secret that our chaotic construction and our oleander mykola construction is the result of decision-making by big business, yes. when we we have a plot of land and we squeeze the most square meters out of it, of course architects work with plots of land in different ways and we must be principled and not make compromises in some very important decisions, it is always to remember that we design buildings for people and the customers of this

building the object of which we work must be people, that is, for example, in europe, you go to the novels, there are absolutely no air conditioners for the position because of the fact that there is an internal understanding that the space of your apartment is your space, and the facades of this building this is the space of all citizens, and therefore it is necessary to understand who will actually be the user of all the architecture and always think about them. if we have such an internal culture of understanding and respect for each person and for each resident of the city, then our buildings will be better, of course, and ah to reform the legislative field. because now we actually have architects, they are actually deprived of such full rights to control how your object will look when built, and these are also very dangerous things, that's why we opposed the so-called reform of the city there will be urban planning due to the fact that it gives even less rights to architects and gives even more rights to the developer, and in fact what is

happening now is the legislative field, it is being liberalized very much and it is being implemented precisely in the direction of customers and developers, so during the war it seemed like a good solution, but and taking into account our not very high culture of urban planning service, i do not think that these are good decisions. we also need checks. we also need permit procedures and we need people with what competences concern absolutely thank you very clearly we are letting you go on the plane so that you don't miss everything and good luck with the flight and so on - the deputy head of the architectural tent of ukraine stays for 30 seconds, for example, everyone washes the windows centrally there, you don't have money, and you will be charged a fine well, you have to you have to pay, they will pay fines, your apartment will be taken away, and even yours will be evicted, because if you don't want your

windows washed, it's not your problem, it's the city's problem, no one wants to look at those dirty windows in the same way, for example, in poland, no one can complete, expand, rebuild, and decorate their balconies, well, you can’t, the balcony is not your direction, the balcony is no longer yours, it’s already there where you can just go out there, i don’t know, water the pot as much as possible , and it doesn’t drip on anyone’s head down well, it is, because it is already the property of everyone. such international experience will certainly help us rebuild a new ukraine here. i want to note that we talked about the fact that ireland will rebuild in the same way. and by the way, the prime minister of this country is already michal martin arrived in kyiv