the rashists came from the territory of belarus, and this is an obvious fact. lukashenko, uh, not everything is so linear here, of course, we live in a world that we would like to see more ukraine-centric, but it does not always work out, and lukashenko, for example, mentioned that belarusians or lithuanians participated in well, the grand duchy of lithuania is the first belarusian state, they used to talk about it more in the white-red-white camp, well, the supporters of the national-democratic forces, once lukashenko said, this is also not a coincidence, i think it is a possible element his future claims to lithuania, because it is also an alliance obligation to threaten lithuania, which has been restricting the transportation of russian goods to the kaliningrad region for two weeks, which annoys

russia a lot. as soon as belarusian servicemen find themselves behind the controls of these operational-tactical missile systems, i will not give a broken shell for the fact that they do not receive order to hit either ukraine or lithuania. no, it won't be nuclear weapons, i don't think that russia will risk raising the stakes so much, because you know, it's really the format of a global war, but the fact that the belarusian troops in the event of their ground invasion of ukraine will remind the penalties will remind the actions in donbas those who are in quotation marks

were mobilized and they are in the first ranks of the attackers on ukrainian positions. do not doubt what will happen. yes, i would like to, you know , i am a person with a humanistic view of life, but purely politically, i do not guarantee the preservation of the regime lukashenka, in the event that security guards start coming to belarus, the territory of belarus is much smaller compared to russia, there is not only persecution of the opposition, a sufficiently strict police regime, but there is also a network of such internal resistance and, god forbid, 10:20 100 security guards will come. it depends on the scale of the invasion from the intensity of the fighting if

they come and lukashenko thinks that he will be able to rule just as easily well, i have other views on this situation yevgeny i think that this is exactly the factor that probably holds him back a lot and well already how much has he been holding back for three months so as not to cross the border with ukraine, namely, these funeral processions that will come to people and then these people can put pressure on him because i, well, something. i don't believe that during the four months of the war, putin never once told him grigorevich come on cross this border well , he had to say that and something, apparently. it is these funerals that are holding him back, the truth is that this issue has been on the agenda since february 24, 2022. i am telling you as a person who commented on this for belarusian independent media almost from the first day russian-ukrainian war and i can only repeat that there was never any conflict between ukrainians and belarusians, that the belarusian people's republic,

when it appeared in the 18th year, the ukrainian people's republic tried to maintain the strength of even its small capabilities, was it the belarusian army, which is formed according to the conscription principle she has no experience of real combat operations and i do not know how and where they watched. i hope that the belarusian military very carefully. i hope not. i am practically convinced whether they watched the video very carefully how the russian tanks were burning near kiev and they understand that it is their expectations and the motivation, which was not lukash personally, lukashenko is sitting in the pocket of russian propaganda, you know a regiment of fools, when he talks about the withdrawal on the eve of independence day, we will remind our viewers that this is liberation day belarus from the nazis, and until 1996, independence day was

july 27. when the declaration of independence was proclaimed, and when he talks about the removal of some parts of internal organs from belarusians of truckers who were killed by a russian strike on the territory of ukraine well, you know this is not even cynicism it's just a person betraying the memory of the citizens, the owner of the citizens, note that in belarus there is an opposition and a position, but its position well, i would say remains reactive and non-proactive unfortunately svitlana tikhanovskaya's team failed to be convincing. those citizens of belarus, as far as i know, are more than a thousand of them, who fight in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, defend our independence, and i think they will become a role model.

of the new belarusian army, because after the end of the russian-ukrainian war, the clock counting lukashenka's tenure in office or in his seat in the presidential palace, which has not been recognized since the 20th year in most european countries, will start counting down the last days and months, it is practically understandable that is, it is for the world. i am not ruling out that putin will do it, not the world community, that is, putin will overthrow lukashenka and sacrifice lukashenka in order to say well, look, there may be democracy in belarus, but it is far from a fact that a politician will replace lukashenka , who already in july of this year will celebrate the 28th anniversary of his stay in power in various statuses. well , that is, he is the recognized president, the

unrecognized president, the self-proclaimed president, but he is really standing next to the tornado of the state, this is a fact, but around him in the diplomatic the world, except for the russian direction well, far china, the far east, the earth was scorched mr. yevhen in the belarusian garden last week, a forum of the regions of belarus and russia was held, and congratulating the participants of this forum, putin said that the west is pushing the two countries to speed up, and here i even put the unification process in quotation marks, that is, it is no longer integration, but unification, and there is a huge difference between these two terms. what do you think? i didn’t read what was written, so this is some kind of change of some kind of discourse, or how can it be interpreted at all?

well, simply interpret it. lukashenko says that we have a union of two states on the one hand, and putin says that we will absorb you, and this is not the case when even if you have been swallowed whole there are only two ways out: russia wants to swallow belarus by sewing it to itself, to create, you know, a siamese twin, which is not a siamese but an imperial twin, that is, these are the reasons i always repeat and will repeat that the belarusians are not our neighbors and we will try to be good neighbors with them relations are not fraternal, if they want to play a partnership with the russians, then there is a question about lukashenka's words. and why is he alone? well, he says that the greetings are on the side of russia, and why does he think that ukraine is wrong

he throws nazis at us there and a lot of other things, well, let's leave it to his conscience, as well as those theses about the breakthroughs of the opposition on almost fully loaded trucks and suvs into the territory of belarus, if ukraine were really engaged the collapse of lukashenka's regime, i think his positions were now much weaker, but unfortunately, this is a fact. belarusian oppositionists often like to use this fact. in 2021 , ukraine actually sponsored his regime by buying bitumen, electricity, gasoline from lukashenka for 3 billion dollars, ukraine is not the only and not the largest trade partner of belarus, this must also be remembered, but the fact of 3 billion must also be remembered, and for our belarusians - this is a gate, it is necessary

to understand that when they talk about the internal position and internal occupation of belarus maybe somewhere in poland or in the baltic countries - it comes in. and in ukraine it doesn't come in, because in our country 20% of the country is already occupied by russia, and what is happening there in the occupation and what is called the internal occupation of belarus, as they say in odesa, are two big differences, sir evgeny, the last question for you is putin, well , he still wants to do it somehow, although he obviously won’t succeed and it’s already a failure. somehow, i don’t know how to detach a part of ukraine, and maybe even annex all of it to russia. we can say that, unfortunately, after starting this aggression, he, like no one else, very much ukrainized ukraine. i think that the process of ukrainization of ukraine continues and putin

significantly accelerated it. russia, for me, this figure correlates with the number of people who on december 1, 1991 in all regions of ukraine voted for its independence, in all of them, without exception, it was more than 50%. and exactly the same. i think now people know that ukraine will win. ukraine has already taken place as a subject of international relations, it has proven its ability to be an independent state, and this is a plus now. the question is: how quickly will we restore the territorial integrity of our state? this is not simple, this process is extremely complex . we will have a lot on this work and, unfortunately, there will be a lot of losses, but this process is necessary and i want as many of

our fellow citizens as possible to realize this, they will realize that we will do this, mr. yevgeny, and i really want us to do it as well, at least as soon as possible, how would we manage to do it faster thank you you for insulting participation in the sweet program during the war, i will remind our viewers it was evgeny magda, director of the institute of world politics well, we are moving on and my friend and guest is already ready to join me on skype - this is kira rudyk, people's deputy of ukraine mrs. kiru i congratulate you i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes thank you for joining well, let's start with mr. yevhen, i touched on this topic, first about belarus, about russia, we will finish, but still more about russia, fighter johnson, prime minister of great britain last week in an interview one of the publications called putin a quote as an example of toxic masculinity

ms. what kind of toxin can be used to neutralize our victory? are we still going to have to prepare for the fact that, well, at least during the immediate history of ukraine, we will still have to continue to live along with a toxic neighbor, make sure that our children don't have to fight the same war that we are fighting now because we hope that russia will change from the fact that it will have a leader, someone else's dictator . asked all opposition politicians in russia whether they would return crimea to ukraine if they came to power, and of course none of them answered in the affirmative because it was political suicide on their part, precisely because they hoped that putin would be replaced by someone else with whom er, who will not have imperial ambitions, who will not try to systematically conquer us and rebuild

the russian empire, you know many ukrainian politicians, activists, and in general, our citizens lived for 8 years with the hope that putin will die and we will live, then this is how it turned out you know, it is good to hope for it, it is good to pray for it, but it is very bad to build strategies for ukraine, assuming that someone can die, we understand that putin is not eternal, but we also understand that russia is not told by itself and even those sanctions which the west is currently using, they will be aimed at suppressing russia, but unfortunately they will not destroy russia, only we can destroy russia, and this is our task not only to win wars, but to make sure that it never rises again, because the worst that can happen is this if our children have to fight in the same line that we are now fighting so now we have to have a fight once and for all to the very end no matter what it costs us no

matter what it costs us because we are now uh if now we stop again how are we stopped 8 years ago, then putin, russia will not stop, they will continue, you know, according to the principle, what they themselves call the salami principle, to try , uh, try to destroy us, try now to neutralize step by step, piece by piece, get what they want, so no, uh, with neutralization of toxic muscularity will not change russia and our struggle will last longer than we hoped but it must be absolutely right to the end she will be right to the end in this fight we will definitely win thank you for such kind words on june 20, mrs. kirod, the president of switzerland and the national bank of ukraine said that the conference on fundraising for the reconstruction of ukraine, which, by the way, officially

starts today at 2:30 p.m. kyiv time in lugano, switzerland, will not be a fundraising event for the reconstruction of ukraine. the reform of ukraine, er, well, this will be about financing, that is, for us, this conference will have er, um, some significance, or are we just blowing up now, but today there will be a conference at which the president of ukraine will speak at which there will be a lot of distinguished guests speaking, it is important for us, it is absolutely important, we have several messages that we must convey to the entire world community regardless of whether they will give us money or not, but i will tell you a secret she must give money because everyone understands it's great in which we ourselves get involved and that we are now facing very difficult challenges in the fall, the first message that we convey to everyone is that the development of ukraine should not

begin after victory and now we can not wait for the end of the war for several reasons the first reason is that our citizens need to be warm in winter, we need roads to drive on and we need to be able to enjoy all the benefits of civilization, now part of ukrainians are deprived of such opportunities due to constant shelling by the russian troops, the second is so that we can continue to calmly carry out our mission as the breadwinner of europe and the whole world, we need to find other alternative ways to export grain and sell not only all food, we understand that unblocking ports - this is a question with a big question mark , so we are now looking for other opportunities, this is the use of railway connections, this is the use of motor vehicles and other freight transportation

, so for this we also need to rebuild the infrastructure, make sure that we have other alternative ways. things, regardless of how quickly they block our ports, we need to have these alternative ways and will always need to have them third point we are preparing for the fact that the winter will be difficult and the energy crisis is not me but i don't have ukraine, it's not mine, and europe, and the question of how to ensure security , it's energy, it's facing everyone quite acutely, that's why the reconstruction of infrastructure facilities for ukraine needs to be done right now so that we don't have to there are three ways to do it in accelerated ways. as they say in october , the second message is the second message that we give to the world. ukraine was a country that was the flagship

of digitalization. the issue has become even more critical because we have faced challenges that can only be solved precisely thanks to digitalization. well, for example, people who lost all their documents and who ran away and saved their lives and the lives of their children and in general with nothing, who now need to restore all this to register with various organizations and receive assistance from the state can only be done thanks to the fact that we are digitalizing all state services and i am very happy that we have this and that we continue to do it this way we must not stop the war, but on the contrary , speed up these processes. the children who were left without parents are all updated about this. the pension certificate that can be obtained in action is all that needs to happen now. of course, funds are also needed for this. which we have

to provide to our partners, this is the question that is about the restoration of ukraine, it is and why we will restore, we will restore anyway, russia can bomb it all, yes it can, and that is why we say that the issue of restoration stands together only with the issue of ensuring the safety of our sky and our infrastructure, and we say that you have already invested a huge amount of money in ukraine. if you want to preserve eh and eh so that these investments are not in vain, we need to protect our sky, you can call it as you can call it anything you want, you can call it closed sky, you can call it providing ukraine with air defense. in fact, the main issue is that we should be able to ensure the security of at least some regions in our country and say that it is absolutely safe here, but you can move here, you can already it is possible to build here, restore all infrastructure objects, this is our main task and the meeting in lugano, this summit. it is precisely one of the

impetuses for everyone who is thinking about investing in ukraine, for everyone who has already invested, for everyone who helps us speak with money. let's now protect your investments, protect your help by providing us with additional weapons ms. kiru well, i understand everything, you say everything correctly. we must convince people who will invest in ukraine, who will help us. we must all the points you listed are all logical, but please tell me, the forum hasn't started yet, there's still an hour and a half before the forum starts , so we can now say that it will be possible to convince everyone that you listed people who will invest money in ukraine. i am sure very high and you know now the government, the opposition, any ukrainian politician, a diplomat, just a ukrainian who is abroad or communicates with international partners on skype, we all, as they say, blow the same pipe

in one word, we are all working together so that ukraine gets as much as possible, and i don't believe that such joint work is so emotional . now all over europe, i have now been to a large number of different conferences and met with politicians from all over the world, starting with mr. macron and ending with the mayor of vilnius. each of them understands that ukraine protects the whole of europe and they understand that we need help, we need to support and believe now what what we are doing is to explain how we see the reconstruction , to confirm and undertake that the money that will be given to us will be spent correctly, will be spent as we promised and will be spent transparently, as well as listen to the comments of other countries,

which other leaders, which were already engaged in the reconstruction of countries after the war, the reconstruction of countries during the war, who will give us their, as they say, advice and comments so that you do not feel involved, and it was really joint work, but i i am very positive, and i am absolutely optimistic about this conference and i think that we will come away from it, our delegation will come away with a victory, with additional prospects for ukraine . the only threat that exists now is the risk of sickness using the funds and that is why now we have to, well, you just know how to tick penny by penny so that, god forbid, there will be no abuses because we can lose trust from those people who are now eh hmm trust which to us now at 100% by the way, you have already answered this

question that i wanted to ask, how do we prove to our donors that the money will go as intended, you have already answered this question. thank you to our viewers , i want to remind you once again that the conference in lugano, switzerland, starts today at 2:30 p.m. kyiv time, the espresso tv channel will broadcast the opening ceremony live, and the scheduled speech of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi will therefore not forgive the lady who makes the forest trust of the minister of foreign affairs of velika britain said today that great britain can, at least it would like great britain to pass a law that would confiscate russia's assets and money and hand them over to the reconstruction of ukraine, canada has done this before, but now great britain wants to do this. do you think this can become a trend or not? no, this is one of the areas that i have been working on for quite a long time, and it was

a very, very high-quality moment when canada became the flagship of the first country that fully legally ensured the transfer of assets to russia and it was important for ukraine and for the reconstruction of our country that someone be the first and that canada is the country where the number of parliamentarians who are hidden ukrainian lobbyists is very large, we have a lot of support there, so i am grateful to the canadian parliament and all the politicians. now she came it's the turn of great britain and the united states, what is the fundamental difference in canada, russia's money was relatively small, about 400 million in britain, it's 10 billion pounds , in the united states, it's 300 billion, well, that is, you do you understand that different money is completely different and there is a completely different tension and completely different risks for the country, what is the

law or the resolution that will be adopted on the confiscation of money, which will then be challenged in international courts , that is why we are currently working with parliamentarians of great britain and with congressmen and congressmen in the united states, in order for the legislation on the transfer of russian assets for the reconstruction of ukraine to be such that komarno does not undermine everything there, it is critically important - this is also important in order for it to be adopted first in the senate and in to the british parliament and then so that it cannot be refuted, this process is also related to political steps, so we hope that in the fall both countries will support us and vote for such legislation, why is it also important because there is no time to influence minutes, why is it important politically, the leaders of the countries

say we will no longer dig into your pockets , that means dear voters, in order to support ukraine, now putin himself pays for his crimes, for his misdeeds, now we do not pay for him, how democratic countries that support ukraine and it is very important, emotionally, politically, for such bills to be adopted and have the support of society. thank you, mrs. kiru, we will do everything together with our partners, friends, colleagues so that putin pays a very high price for the aggression that he started on february 24 this year against us. thank you, it was kira rudyk, a people's deputy of ukraine. well, well, we have to finish this edition of the world during the war because of lack of time, obviously, they talked about the world with their the guests are obviously talking about ukraine, which is a civilized part of this world. well, they talked with their guests about the present and the future, and the program the world at war, i will remind you, is broadcast on monday at

12:13 on the espresso tv channel, at least where it has not been turned off, by the way, thank you for the fact that they voted for us to be returned to the t2 digital broadcasting network, we will now monitor what the government will do, but thank you, and well, obviously , you can watch us on social networks. well, on youtube. well, what about that? yuriy fizer, see you soon, we have a lot in common. we even had a common state, life values , the struggle for independence, historical heritage and a vision of the future. yours chose the right path. lithuania is with you. you have always provided us with a friendly shoulder . coronavirus in the 20th and this winter, your struggle is our struggle, the lithuanians were the first to give us weapons, freedom, and this is our

freedom, and they called the name of our enemy russia to the whole world, thank you for your support, we are happy to have such friends and partners ukraine congratulates lithuania on statehood day events the most important events events that are happening right now and affect our lives of course the news feed reports about them but little is known about what is happening one must understand antin borkovskii and invitation experts soberly assess the events analyze them modeling our near future that saturdays at 1:00 p.m. with a repeat at 10:00 p.m. - studio event with anton borkovsky nayspresso, it is very important in this difficult time to be

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