yes, and to guarantee offline education and create some online classes, after all, there are classes that no child who refuses to come to school in person will lose a place in this school, well, you have such a problem. will you still decide democratically, that is, for that the majority of parents will vote, or will you still go to the meeting with all those who want to go to school and those who want to stay at home, yes, of course , democracy is wonderful, and that is why i think that the opinion of my parents will be brought to the attention of the local authorities authorities because i understood that not only i will decide uh, uh, this issue uh, and it is clear that uh, there will be a discussion, why, first of all, we don't know how uh, events will develop, we are a border city , ah, we we saw the whole eh let's say the potential

that took off eh from the belarusians eh that's not far and we saw these planes that were on the way up and bombed chernihiv that were shot by others we saw these rockets that took off we hear them we eh we have experienced all this, and therefore it is clear that some of the parents, well, such a tradition is our mentality, and i believe that it is normal, a person who understands the feeling of parenthood has a feeling of parenthood, he is normal, he has fear for his child, and therefore it is clear that this part will be a parent, because if we say that this is a colleague, a teacher, he will come to school, the child here and he grabs her or takes her by the arms and quickly helps to go down to the shelter , and the parents who at this moment are performing their mission at the chernobyl nuclear power plant, it is clear

that you can imagine the emotional state of these people, they understood that they must trust 100%, eh, teachers the discussion was and will be. thank god, we live in a democratic society and we will not get anywhere from this. in addition, i also understood the emotions of those people who came and joined us during these two weeks and submitted applications to us. from the destroyed settlements where either the school has been lost or the nearest housing, including chernihiv, and they are asking us, these children have heard and seen what it is like, they have experienced it, my children, i am talking about the schoolchildren, they have helped with this to old grandmothers, grandfathers, pregnant women, and people, a woman young people, when they descended during the shelling of slavutych and when they were shooting at chernihiv, they saw

that. that’s all, and that’s why everyone felt emotional in their own way. as a mother, i can say that i understand those parents whose children are in elementary school. i didn’t want i want to say this, but i really want it to be heard. the children started having enuresis because they were woken up in the middle of the night with anxiety and started to go down. you understand what these parents are going through when the child was mentally and physically healthy, and we understand what it is . high school students who should to help that group and we have created these groups of civil protection and we rotated in three shifts knowing people to protect their health and lives and when the children helped and charged the phone and served water because there were not enough of us teachers of my staff in order to it was to protect when

the first shelling began and it was not far from slavutych, and in the eyes of these people, and i think that there will be no unequivocal opinion because some are more emotional, some are more stable, and of course it will be different, i think closer to the school year we will return to this conversation. thank you very much , ms. olena, and well, we see that you have to solve a very difficult issue before the beginning of the academic year, so we wish you only patience and, most importantly, understanding between the parties, well, we cannot talk about confrontation, but still there are different opinions from different points of view regarding what the educational process should be, friends, we will have a short break and we will continue the conversation, then the first thing we will do is the deputy minister of education, and there is

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we are discussing a difficult question. and here we are , the previous speaker and the director of the school in the city of slavutych says that even among teachers there is this. well, in my case, we say confrontation, but this is a democratic contradiction of opinions. online education should be from september 1. whether you are offline and you walk to school or open a new creation that is unambiguous for everyone thank you for the question thank you for the invitation i am very glad you are here to be present the only thing really this is a very difficult question for every father for every mother because it is necessary to make an independent decision regarding the further fate of your child, it is necessary to accept it based on two factors. the first factor is definitely the safety of the child, and the second factor is definitely the knowledge that the child receives, in my opinion, offline is better, and according to our recommendations, we recommend in the areas there where there

are active hostilities in the temporarily occupied territories and in the zones, so to speak , where the occupying guns are fired, it is approximately 40 km from the contact line, only online training is definitely because it is related to security, the rest of the country yes so-called television, they are now called there where there is relative safety, that is, there is relative safety in the country , so there we still recommend that children be taken offline, but adjusting for the existing protective structures, that is, there cannot be more participants in the educational process in the school at the same time than there are places, even in a temporary shelter or in a warehouse or in a dual-purpose building. that is, it is already a local task, a more difficult issue, so to ensure security, well, we have a school, for example , the school from slavutych. yes, it was built near chernobyl npp they have a room to protect

against radiation radiation pollution and it is actually, well, in simple words, bomb shelters, yes, but there are a huge number of schools in ukraine that do not have this . during the times of the soviet union, where they waited for a nuclear explosion, that's why they didn't build anything without a bomb shelter. yes, but i'll say it like this. in particular, now here is what i communicated there with the educational institutions that, well, honestly, yes, not on camera, the truth is that they say that we are not ready. so, you come to our place, come down and see what is being done in our basement, we are not ready. well, i am asking a logical question. well, i am i apologize for two months, plus minus the theory, what can be done, what people tell me in response . look at the requirements, starting with this , we will paint the walls, maybe we will hang a light bulb somewhere, and this is where the furniture begins, air filtration,

sewage, electricity, etc. all this must be done, i say well, how are you going to do it, they say, this is where a new problem begins, the school is therefore the director, but the basement , for example, is a shelter in the city in which we are located. yes, i say. and what to do. well, here we have to, well, we are talking about communal small towns. well, here we have to go to peace, i'm calling the city council. well, in particular. well, that's also how i talked before the broadcast. i studied the situation. what do they tell me to the city council? there's the mayor. i'm not against doing all this. but you understood me. now, i can order anything. but will it be paid for? it treasury i don't know and they all throw up their hands like that although on the other hand i was scrolling through e.e. public procurements now, well, i don't know so many tenders for the arrangement were somehow hidden , that is, somehow this process went away, that is, what do you have, what information do you have about so how do schools in which there is no

shelter from their own in general, how are they now solving this story, is there anything to solve this story, and the situation is now developing in this way, according to the mandate of the president of the prime minister of ukraine, all military administrations have created commissions that go there representatives of the state emergency service of the police e-e department of education we gave ourselves the state service of quality of education as our structural division where and e-e analysis of those available shelters shelters that can be operational from september 1, of course if the school does not have the opportunity anya to do the easiest any shelter is nearby in 5 minutes, as the emergency services demand, there is no shelter, of course this school will only work online because we will not be able to take the children out and dress the children and participants in the process , teachers and administrators, to some danger of an air strike in many schools that were built before 1970, there is a storage there, there are about

traditional shelters in the newest schools, of course, hello, nothing like this exists, but there is also a desire of the local authorities, there is also a requirement. we have to do everything depending on us in order to equip these simplest shelters, and what the director says that the school is his, and the basement is his, it is necessary to contact the founder of the local government, the local council does the local territorial community have money for this in the budget, er, in the budget of local territorial communities, there should be, that is, i know clearly yes, these are different things, so i know clearly. the army, there are salaries for public servants, everything else, well, in direct text, ah, well, i can’t comment on the words of the administration, but

from the point of view of local authorities, that is, as a deputy of the kyiv city council, in the city of kyiv, there is money and it will be allocated for development of the simplest shelters today, something depends on some decision, it definitely depends, that is, they have already said the simplest shelters twice, and i think that it can stress parents when you say the simplest shelter, they do not want to send children to the simplest shelters that do not guarantee their safety, so it stresses something else in us as we repeatedly mention, the war does not last four months in 7 years, and as for all the previous years from 2014, we still ask in what condition, even in what condition of the shelter and there are schools where there are no shelters, and it’s like that in general, that is, they can exist, well, that is, they well, it’s just in my profane logic, if there is a school in a country at war,

but it doesn’t even cite an elementary storage , then accordingly, you’re just a matter of fact where can you come nuance how so that it’s just that ukraine is always an example of our realities. he always remembers the city of ukrainka. there they decided to renovate, well , build a new school building. well, it seems like a good idea. yes, but there is an old school building and a new building for children was built nearby. moment so that there is one wall with beautiful windows and all these windows open onto the wall of the old building to this question well, when the school is already built, what to do, uh, they spread their hands. then the firemen came, the firemen said and you already know that. it's sadder after a terrible incident, we all hold our heads and start to solve everything, well , it's returning to peaceful times, the firemen issued this building under 60, it violates fire safety, friends say .

by fire yes, the stairwells there were poorly built according to the standards, so they just have to be demolished and so on. well, then you know nothing, they were like a millimeter, they closed their eyes a bit and then decided that everything was fine. unfortunately, why is that the way it is ? what are we doing at the last moment , we started doing there, do we have a question for the parliament or does something depend on the solution of this problem , we are in touch with roman hryshchuk, a member of the servant of the people faction and a member of the verkhovna rada committee on education and science er, er, roman, good evening, it's interesting i am listening to your discussion and i heard the question to the parliament now shelters and all schools are communally owned, that is, the city is responsible, as evgeny said, for the arrangement of the simplest shelters and about problems with shelters, but since 2014, i am in my solomyansk

district visited several schools and looked at these shelters, let's call things our own, most often it's just foundations and even with one exit , which are now needed and they are trying to somehow primafetize in order to start the school year and here is the question in the following, every parent who knows where the child studies and after the commission consisting of the air force and the police, which makes a conclusion about the school . this school with exactly such a shelter and such an algorithm algorithm of actions and tell me, please. and your family has students. there is a child who is now in kindergarten. we are deciding whether to go to kindergarten. which kindergarten is she in kyiv? my son went to the kindergarten, there was an air alarm, they

went down, he didn’t understand anything and so he didn’t understand anything, they sat down, they came back. it’s clear. now , returning to the question what is it? well , the local self-government bodies have to decide, but now some local representatives directly say that well, we don’t mind. there is something in this story to do the same story with the state budget, all the subsidies that were in the state budget, including for the repair of schools, a subsidy for a support school, a subsidy for fire safety, they all are cut, we know why, because all the expenses that marchenko goes to the army or to the social, that is, from the state budget , they are not supported in any capital expenses, because we understand, we understand that it is precisely thanks to this problem that we can get that in september schools they will not have anything except for the fact that they will do it on their own, the parents will do it with their own hands . maybe the parliament should make

a decision about some kind of financing for the construction and arrangement of bomb shelters in schools, because we understand that the answer is a local issue budgets, we understand everything, but this is a theory, and in places there is no money either, and we will come back to this story that, in august, the school will set the parents the task that there is a basement, we will furnish it with our own hands because we need to study and we need to do it in a different educational way there will be no process, well, this is reality, look at the parliament, we can adopt any law regarding the fact that funds must be allocated, every school must have a shelter, i do not think that at least one deputy will vote against this to realize where and where to take the money when the ministry of finance says that we do not have money now, in principle, they all go to e-e, all expenses go to the army here , again, the question is not for the parliament, here the question

is about finances in the state, it is also a question about what was done locally the head of the local government for these schools and for including these shelters now in kyiv and said that a budget is allocated from the local budget of kyiv for the repair of these shelters i am not talking about the amount now it is a meager amount and this amount -e solomyansky district well, it will work out there literally a few of these shelters to make some cosmetic cosmetic things and, well, we heard the position that, well, there is no money, but the parliament supported us, and roman hryschuk was in contact with us, and he is a member of the committee on education, science and innovation. kyiv stands out, it’s cool, yes . we live in kyiv. well, we understand that kyiv schoolchildren are lucky there, yes, but what should chernihiv schoolchildren do? let’s talk about kharkiv, yes. that’s what scares

happen there every day. ministries of temporary reintegration of temporarily occupied territories are allocated weekly , where the state board changes territorial communities, there is a list of territorial communities and what approaches to hostilities, and we call them among ourselves, this is a zone of increased danger, a zone of special danger in these zones of special danger, it is definitely necessary to do it online only process i.e. kharkiv mykolaiv community e chernihiv part of sumy region where these active actions are taking place definitely donetsk luhansk e.e. kherson zaporizhia part of zaporizhia that is, we definitely need to organize in the online process as well. that is, we have provided almost all the tools for this, that is, everything that is possible is in the school. the teachers and directors of the schools have, that is, the only thing we need is electricity, a computer, the internet, now we are there google 40,000 computers for teachers who went temporarily displaced persons, then

amazon will provide tablets. that is, we are working on this issue, the organization is online, but understand that education is valuable, first of all, children have their own socialization with each other communicate they may see all their classmates only in extreme smartphones, that is the primary motivation that you so actively started to promote offline learning, it was in what, that is, i had a feeling that you wanted to give hope to people to return, because most of the mothers who now remain in europe are sacrificing one's career in one's work in order to give the child an education that we did not have. and if we now go into distance learning again - it's three, three, three years - 3 years - 3 years, and we're growing up, we have such the studies are specific, of course, in accordance with the quality of these studies, and our children who are currently abroad in foreign schools. we monitor this situation with their academic performance. they represent the effectiveness of the ukrainian

education system. they are one of them, even only in schools where they do not know the language. in france , children have to go out, first of all, so that the education system shows sustainability, secondly, so that parents have the opportunity to work, so that the economy of the country works, so that we with our taxes which we will pay when the parents work, they spent it on the army and not on reconstruction , so i wanted to read the post of yulia grishina, friends, she made a report at a recent conference in switzerland, and the numbers are really impressive, namely the issue of infrastructure, e.e. 210 total destroyed educational institutions in ukraine 1843 damaged, building one ukrainian school costs 70 million hryvnias , we need to completely rebuild more than 120 educational institutions, this is eight and a half billion hryvnias just for construction, almost a thousand more

need to be repaired. and there are also universities and technical schools that have been destroyed, as well as other institutions that have been destroyed , and the second challenge is that because of the war, 22.5 thousand teaching staff left abroad, that is 4% of the total number of teachers and 640,000 schoolchildren are still abroad and here i have you know this. i personally formulated an opinion for myself on how to motivate ukrainian children. well, first of all, parents. yes, from the european educational institution , return to ukraine and to a ukrainian school. where are you under the threat of a rocket year when on in addition, in the same poland, they have already declared their readiness to accept 400,000 ukrainian schoolchildren, yes, to study in schools. that was literally recently. there are many temptations, yes, and the archival question that yevgen asked is definitely the

most valuable thing we have, it is our children and you absolutely on the right, many european countries encourage our children to stay when there were clear signals if the schools will work. we are coming back, that is, and this is what approximately 80% of the people we met there said. i personally met there and this is what people told me directly to my face. therefore, this is our incentive for people to return, for the economy of ukraine to work, the economy to be revived, because without education, education is to understand, well , it is a system-forming thing, even in many cities , in many small towns, the school is a city-forming enterprise there where almost everyone works if there are such studies if there is no school if you are there there is no village that is why it is such a thing it is the foundations of our society let's say so and we will do everything that depends on us everything possible so that children

i will return to the desk so that we do not lose children, so that we do not lose human capital, then this knowledge is not obtained during online education or during the period of war, they will lead to the loss of our human capital, we will not have the intellectual capacity to rebuild ukraine. information after all, what kind of picture will we have starting from the new school year? well, of course now, er, even two months under these conditions is also enough time, so fingers crossed, but even as of now, what is your picture of what the new academic year might be, yes, most likely. well , the academic year will be in the so-called mixed format, that is, part of the schools will open offline, part of the schools will work, e.e. online, regarding the number of people who agree to return, that is, i know instead such i have this data, that is, how can you voice grades 1-4 80% 82% are ready to return if

the school will return abroad or go to school return from abroad and the children will go to school fifth ninth grade somewhere there 78 -79 and 80-81% it is also nine - 10-11 grades, children are ready to come, ready to go to classes if only the schools are open, if the schools are not open and there will be online learning. well, online learning is possible from paris to attend school there. we have these tools. we have an international school is an international ukrainian school. that is, it is an online school that must issue a ukrainian document about education externally. we have an all-ukrainian school online. we have tele- lessons. we have many tools for online. we have standard so-called lessons, that is, standard lessons. what will it be? that is, it is a minimum possibility and some other topic, but your numbers are impressive, but you know , we always ask questions, but they sound rhetorical , like how to return our people, but here are just numbers that you voice, they are simply speaking rudely,

and that is the answer to the question rudely speaking school - this is the answer to the question, well, judging by your facts, how to return ukrainians, you know, the doors of the native school must be agreed before that. and you imagine the level of your responsibility and even personally, i say criminal responsibility moral and ethical responsibility, if, god forbid, a rocket will fly into some school. yes, i absolutely adequately assessed the level of this responsibility, but we still have it. and you are going to take away from teachers this responsibility that they now bear for preserving the life and health of a child in in the conditions of russian aggression, according to well, if you know, you can speak in the language of an official, you can speak in the language of an official, you can speak in the language of a person, if you speak in the language of an official, then in accordance with the current legislation preservation of the life and health of the participants of the educational process is the responsibility of the head of the educational institution

, that is, if, as he says, i am not ready to go offline, i do not have the opportunity to do so, then without question he organizes the online process, we have electronic diaries, we have electronic student journals, organized online the processor organizes and your children should study, show the result and work kyiv schools, in particular, they are ready, eh. now there is a discussion in ukrainian society, in particular, among directors . we have, well, you know, we have the largest sphere in ukraine, we have 29 million, we counted the stakeholders of the education and science system, that is, it is a family where someone either studied or a teacher, or well, that is, a large number of people are connected to our sphere, our whole society is roughly divided in half, that is monitoring the situation shows that there are three groups of people. the first group of people is for the offline world. the second

group of people is categorically against offline education and for online education. there are about 10% of them, they flow here and there. if in kyiv there is no great week there missile attacks, they are all for offline, if a missile arrived on sunday, then they are all immediately for online, well, this is the situation on the president's website, which received the appropriate number of votes to ban offline education in ukraine in general, and to stop the president in one way or another probably with your help we will have to respond to this petition , but we really personally think that if we ban offline education in ukraine, we will lose a certain generation of our ukrainians