lvivska 8, i will ask, then, in addition to special exports , we even created a separate ministry of strategic industries, which was supposed to deal with the creation of the defense of the homeland of the alienated defense industry in a new format. these measures were carried out. it may take tens of years from the creation of the delivery of the armed forces and the equipment of the real delivery, you understand, because the equipment is now of a high quality, it is very expensive it is not so easy to manufacture it, it is necessary to carry out state tests and everything. it is easier. it takes years , years, then to establish serial production. therefore, let's move on to the fact that we were left at the end of may without the necessary amount of equipment. some determined controllers were unable

to throw out the enemy from the south and limit his active operations in the east. a deeper depth of stable defense of those lines that we occupied, and russia was able to build up huge reserves of equipment, ammunition, fuel, and so on . you know, they progressed like a turtle, but gradually very, very slowly, but they still decided to slowly solve their issue regarding staffing, regarding the personnel, i already talked about this a and in this way formed the necessary supports

they are in combat condition, these troops are slowly advancing and pressing on ours, they can not defeat and hit with strong reserves of the corps there, for example, divisions, and they operate in battalion tactical groups, squeezing us in what way are we talking about the fact that despite the presence personnel of the russian federation, we inflicted significant losses on them, and the direct leadership of the country, in particular, mr. danylo, says that we are talking about the exhaustion of the enemy, and that he can conduct actions only there on one in the operational direction, how do we determine that the enemy is exhausted, meaning that the enemy's exhaustion is determined by the fact that he has lost the pace of the offensive and is not able to continue them, here is the main exhaustion, what does it consist of? because of the fuel costs, they made a very large

amount of fuel and ammunition in the operational-tactical and operational -tactical depth of your troops, which are now over the past week, our e-e means, the reactive means we received from e-e from our partners are very successful in destroying them. this is very good because , first of all, it destroys their possibilities for a further offensive, leaving them with ammunition , fuel and other material means and it also does not allow you to create and, er, form, prepare a reserve for whom, which they are now reformatting in order to introduce it into battle. that is why they have now taken this pause, and this pause will be the longer and more profitable for us the more we have such we will destroy the enemy's warehouses in the rear, this is very important here, and the skill of our artillerymen, as well as the military command, which

leads and directs the military operations at the front there in the donetsk region, is very important. they deserve the highest praise in all matters, but they need more and human reserves, they need combat equipment. there was a video recently. i saw how our units were defending the northern outskirts of sloviansk, where there will be no sabotage group, i will penetrate there and the unit was shown deploying and was doing the cleaning, so the air platoon of our airborne assault troops was doing the cleaning, but this platoon was supported by only one armored personnel carrier, only one armored personnel carrier, only one armored personnel carrier-4, all of the platoon behind him arrived in the area of ​​the cleaning operation on the 131st grass, you understand. a was supposed to arrive on four btr-4 on four and not on

one, that is, really support, what does this say about the fact that we currently lack a lot, we lost during today's hostilities, we lost combat equipment , we are also losing people, we are replenishing people, the platoon was full-fledged in my opinion, but here there is no equipment and this will affect our ability to effectively defend, not to mention the contract or counterattacks. well, when you talk about the personnel , now in the defense security forces, almost 700,000 personnel are directly called up or involved. is this a lot or a little? considering the needs of the implementation of the tasks facing the state today, this is almost enough, almost enough, i will not say that it is enough completely, but you are engaged in it, but the fact is that you, uh, you did not, we said about 750,000. so, what about danilov and others political figures say that we have about a million

under arms. this is very good, but where are they located? where is this million located on the territory of ukraine in the war zone ? people need territorial defense units and other problems, they need combat equipment, they also won’t go on lawns and in cars to fight with tanks and armored vehicles of the enemy, not yet having the appropriate settlements , artillery means, there is not enough artillery for them in order to form them, to put them on armor and in this way put them on a combat position in the area of ​​natural combat operations of the active army, well, these challenges understood the fact that we have a huge, uh, very remote army, to date, it is

mobilized , but not equipped with combat equipment. we understand this because we have repeatedly heard the statements of the political leadership of the state and the leadership of the armed forces that we need military equipment, that it is coming to us on a lend-lease basis, we expect an increase in scale, and actually this is one so far deterrent factors so that we carry out effective counter-offensive actions there. as i understand it , we are still waiting for the arrival of this equipment. in your opinion, when we talk about foreign equipment or any priorities in your opinion, which, first of all, should be satisfied there, air defense defense, technology, aviation, communication systems, intelligence is there any priority in the things that we should get first of all ? suffered losses and it must be recognized. unfortunately, i do not , unfortunately, but for understandable reasons, you are guided by political reasons and do not announce them, and i think that this is correct , but we must understand that we cannot use our

equipment, tanks and armored personnel carriers, cannot be eternal yantalists of the system, but it also works out the authorities they also break down they are also considered enemy fire, different scales in terms of losses, but they exist and that is why we need this technique and during this period the summer company is definitely reflecting such a massive eh we will say heavy although gradual slow such a cherepashy offensive of the russian federation in the donetsk region, but we still surrendered all ours, we gave severodonetsk and lysychansk , all our military did the right thing, but when our enemies forced us to do it, why or that we need appropriate equipment for the troops, we need its equipment, it receives armored personnel carriers we need tanks, we need artillery systems, we need air defense systems. of course, in the first place, today we

need three artillery. artillery and jet systems are still the main factor. volley fire, it is very important for us, especially the last one, but we already have a growing need for armored personnel carriers and tanks, and you are already needed. that is why we need not dozens, but hundreds of tanks and batteries in order to update carts and ours at the front, as well as create for them reserves so that all reserves do not come in cars or trucks, but come in tanks and armored vehicles, you understand. therefore, now the pace of our supply of weapons to us must be 10 times more than they were before , otherwise the enemy will still gather and tighten resources and will again start to act in the same way er pushing us out of our territory and the

center of ukraine is already under threat. for us, it is under the fence, i want to say more, if we don’t, we won’t be able to contextualize and prepare for the enemy’s offensive, i won’t be able to arm ourselves, our partners are bad for us, will they help me, then we have a threat of losing this territory and what is it for us it is dangerous because after this territory, this territory captured in the war can enter belarus and transnistria, rather more calmly perceived the reality because according to my estimates , the line of eh and eh slavyanska and eh kramatorsk is sufficiently well protected in terms of engineering,

we are talking about the fact that it is quite difficult to break through this line. do you think i agree with you, except for one thing, it is necessary to remember something about the fact that the lines of defense, regardless of whether they are breached or taken, are not there is a natural line of defense that has been breached this same french defense was breached, you understand, and the other lines of defense were all breached. there is no such defense that could not be destroyed, of course the enemy will determine where our defense is the strongest and there will be no attack there, he will not go in the second direction and in that direction he will attack us here e-e will redeploy and so on, you understand, but the russian federation can advance and break through concrete walls with crowbars, they can do it, as they did under e-e,

we saw it in north donetsk and lysichansk, we understand that the strategy of the russian the federation was built on the superiority of artillery, when at the expense of artillery we were redrawing the territory that we defended. now we are talking about the fact that we are moving to another line of defense. won't be able to now the enemy has switched to an operational pause for your assessment, how long can this operational pause last? well, if we continue to successfully deliver such blows missile systems of salvo fire that we received, and if they still give us more e-e on objects that are located in the operational and operational-tactical depth of the enemy, do not let them concentrate the material means for the offensive, even having the appropriate e-e reserves of material means and in the troops and directly on the line of defense, they

will not be able to act effectively, this is the first, and secondly, it is necessary to strike not only at the warehouses, but also at the reserves , at the troops that have withdrawn to the bodies that are now receiving brandsparters, tanks and other military equipment and equipment, they must be destroyed there, for this we need to suppress their pivo. in order for our aviation to fly there and destroy them, some of the actions of our aviation have already been carried out. last week, they were carried out, but so far they are not enough, very not enough to deter possible the potential of the russian army and on the offensive you need to take these actions and in addition, it is necessary to take active offensives actions with the aim of the fact that the enemy was still forced to drop their reserves and remove them from the donetsk direction because the donetsk direction is now becoming the main one and will continue to be the main one until the end of the

summer period of our military companies, if you can say so in this war, how do you assess the training of the personnel of the armed forces today, because we said that 700,000 is a significant number, not all of it is at the front, we have to prepare trained reserves because this is precisely the basis of our stable defense, in what way is it correct to prepare these reserves, should we pay attention to the help of britain there, or adopt some other methods where the fighters and commanders immediately go to war? the political crisis of the state, the mistake that the deployment of territorial defense or resistance forces wanted to begin on january 1, 2022

, and not, i'm sorry, in march 2021 , when the russian federation began to concentrate the troops in the fate of the borders of our state, that was the right time and to start the formation of territorial defense during this time, these troops would have been formed and prepared more or less, it was clear with their equipment that they would have some kind of potential, potential power greater than today we have a number and about which we say 700 thousand which is ready ready i count like this about 120 number of 150,000 armed forces of ukraine ground troops who are on the front line and conduct combat operations they are effectively prepared and very well, they only lack the armory that we talked about, but the territorial defense should certainly have been done for these four places. of course

, all the rest should have been coordinated and prepared for combat, but there are quite a few units that are not yet ready to conduct combat operations with which they have not yet conducted not appropriate, because combat training is conducted, it is conducted constantly, it is conducted in an amateur way, it is often conducted by the forces of the armed forces and the forces of our partners who prepare our people abroad, including a very large set in this matter, i want to provide great britain with e-e training 10,000 of our troops understood that it will be mainly instructors or people who e-e will determine the combat capability of the unit, that is, gunners, mechanics, commanders of combat e-e tanks , whether it is a fight from partners, guns and our other our weapons that are provided to us will be provided, this is 10,000, very good, such a number from which you can

instantly form a 30th corps and throw weapons at it and they will be able to fight quite effectively, but those who are playing, we now have training and the territorial defense troops or the territorial defense forces are preparing, they have a low level of combat readiness, and therefore now they are acting in this way, they have prepared a company, more or less, it is ready for battle , they send it to the area of ​​hostilities, and the second company prepares to fight, the company that suffered, those that suffered losses, is taken to rest and change the next one, but it is not of a mass nature. unfortunately, that is why we can say that we can use several hundreds of thousands of territorial defense in a defensive operation. now we cannot say no only about the territorial defense of mine, about the fact that

today the brigades of the armed forces of ukraine, which bear the main burden of combat operations, these brigades of ours also have losses, but conditionally speaking, from the point of view of strengthening the personnel potential, should we not create directly in such combat brigades there are separate battalions, training battalions, which will already directly gain experience near the front line of operations, because not everyone can learn to fight quickly, not everyone is exactly that, and this is the challenge before what needs to be found a model to strengthen our main combat brigades, what models can there be, yes, the model you are talking about was once used. what model existed in the soviet army during the second world war, but today the situation has changed a little, not a little, vitally, because the means of conducting armed struggle are very have become strong now, if we were mostly tactical then, that is, it was a matter of 5-10 km depth, well, sometimes 15, no, not

counting aviation. so, now and now, they have changed dramatically, the depth stretches to 460 km, that is, on operational tactical depth and keeping training battalions of the company there is now impractical, they must be created in the deep operational rear, and they exist . there is a system of training the armed forces. full and effective use for the training of power assets that we are bringing to the defense today . good. well, now we have it . the application is not in tens there, but in hundreds, and even thousands. we have to train people there, because it is also, first of all, safety, calm conditions of training

, and secondly, it will be faster than it will be here in our country, in the zone of hostilities. it will be more cost-free and therefore i think that why didn't you, the political leadership, make the right decision to cook in the rear and abroad, this is very correct, and only these issues need to be increased, increased , to go from tens to hundreds and thousands. well, when we talk about what to cook in the rear let's take into account the reality, let's say the same way that the front edge is under threat of missile strikes, also under threat of missile strikes and there is a training center, let's remember there about desna, about zhytomyr, about yavoriv , ​​that is, the enemy can strike in the operational depth, this means that when preparing reserves, we have to look for some optimal models, that is, to prepare, in particular, in poland, in particular, to prepare these units in great britain, and in particular, commanders there, and return them to ukraine. but all the same, this model should be, well, more effective.

that indeed without reserves it will be difficult to win the war. yes, you are right, but here are the strikes by missile troops with a punitive missile on the territory of ukraine, including on educational institutions of the armed forces of ukraine and the state as a whole. therefore, the losses among these training centers are insignificant, very insignificant , and this allows us to effectively train people, and if these e-e connections, the unit is more precisely located in the operational-tactical zone where does the enemy's artillery and jet systems and aviation come from, they can be completely destroyed there, you will understand later eh therefore, after all, this option eh, what to keep them in the combat zone, training for a sub-unit is not necessary here, it is simply necessary to make a unit that eh passed

training and formed in the rear of the deep rear from the front must be conducted by instructors who have a combat to and will conduct training on entering the e-e or from this unit you will put him in the defense correctly or enter him during other types combat operations in some, they must come to the front with them and they must bring them to the defense or competently and so on, all of them are walking , then this requires effective interaction with the brigade commanders who directly lead the defense in certain areas. but you repeatedly said that situation, they need to be prepared. and instructors from the front should come and conduct a short training session with them there for a few days to prepare them for the specifics and help them enter the battle . donbass, why do we need reserves of weapons to hold back the enemy? i think we will have it in time

and in sufficient quantity, but i would like to evaluate your vision of the situation directly in the south, i.e., is it possible for the ukrainian army to provide a counteroffensive on this part of the front, well, probably not once i understand that such activity is not carried out, so probably not. well, something is being carried out in the kherson direction from the direction of kryvyi rih. our actions, i want to tell you that there is no continuous front line in that direction, by the way, it does not exist everywhere, but in some areas, it is already a continuous line in the donetsk region, but in the kherson region, it does not exist in a continuous direction, that is why i stated a month ago some time ago, such a proposal was made so that our military commanders could hear it, maybe they are delighted or in the heat of the fighting. well, there is no time for

them to look at the history look at the history back. of the enemy, even in the operational political ones, they go out into the rain in a specifically specified area, where they gather in companies into battalions and start operating there, and this tactic is possible precisely in those directions where there is no continuous front line, where there is a large gap between the territory between the security guards points to the enemy, and then if we study, for example, the kherson directions in such battalion groups to a depth of 50-30 km under 30 20 km they become effective even without the presence of such heavy weapons of apcs and tanks artillery. why, because now our infantry is very

effective . the advantage will be that they will be spread in depth and the enemy will not have enough strength to advance in all directions, he will be such from one direction, well, the tactical group of the battalion can advance in one direction, and then what on our battalion, a group that was graying in its rear, then another group that was not attacked by the enemy , no countermeasures. we approach the city directly to the city of kherson, which must be liberated, how should we

do it? we cannot destroy its artillery. what is the optimal tactic for the liberation of such cities, and there are those that we need, so we will finish surrendering. thus , in those spaces and those where there is no continuous during the summer of the front, the tactics of infiltrating small units and then climbing into the depth of the enemy's defense in a tactical or operational-tactical manner can be very successful in these situations . what did they do with lysichansk or mariupol, we have one minute of air time left, let's put this answer into one minute, it should not be taken by storm under any circumstances, the troops should be brought up to bring them to kherson, but maybe don't touch this one, don't come close, you have to force the dnieper and advance on the crimean crossings

or advance from the zaporozhye direction on the crimean ones, then this group that is in kherson will flee because it will be surrounded. and this is death for her, and she will flee by herself and liberate kherson without a fight, i really hope this is one of the options that can be used. thank you for this interesting conversation, and i would like to remind our viewers that our interlocutor was ivan yakovets, reserve colonel, ex-commander of the airmobile e-e troops of ukraine my name is serhii zhorets, i am the director of the defense express company, which, together with the espresso channel, is trying to promptly cover the most relevant events in the life of the armed forces. the petition demanding the return of the espresso channel 5 to the digital airwaves and the live channel received more than 25,000 votes on the website of the cabinet of ministers. ukrainians stood up for the defense of freedom . words, now it's the government's turn, don't ignore

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