broadcasting espresso - ukrainian view thank you for watching glory to ukraine, this program is the verdict, my name is serhiy rudenko, everyone, have a good day and good health, today is the 134th day of heroic resistance of ukrainians against the russian occupation, the russian army

fired missiles at odesa and the island of change , where the pier was significantly damaged, meanwhile ukrainian the military installed the ukrainian flag on the snake, russia is trying to advance on slovyansk and bakhmut, the ukrainian military claims that the attacks repelled the biggest losses of the last day, the russian army suffered in the avdiiv and bakhmut directions , the general staff reported that at the beginning of the great war, the russians had already lost 36,650 people in ukraine, 1,602 tanks, 3,797 armored combat vehicles, 1,815 artillery systems, 247 rocket launcher systems , 107 air defense systems, 217 aircraft, 187 helicopters - 2,665 units of naval equipment, and 15 boats, 665 drones, 66 units of special

equipment, today we will talk about russia, military, or rather criminals, and their responsibility to ukrainians and the world. the guest is a journalist, a blogger, a member of the ukrainian mr. club, one of the initiators of the creation of the war criminals search fund, stanislav asseev stanislav good day, i am glad to see and hear you on our broadcast, good day, let's start our conversation about the war criminals search fund, you are one of the initiators of the creation of this project, i know that this fund is completing the legal process with hard work. and a web platform should already appear here. this is a large database of war criminals who commit their crimes on the territory of the ukrainian state. tell us about this project and who

he does it well, in fact, the legal fund is already registered, it already exists and you platform also exists, we just don’t advertise it because we still need to connect a financial account to them, er, on which the funds will actually be transferred, we are going to pay for information about war criminals and three little to complete another 10 percent of such formal, purely technical work regarding the fund itself, that was my initiative since the fall of last year, after the so -called palych was detained, the comment about the isolation in kyiv occurred to me in my opinion, how to actually reach out to other war criminals, and i understood that the procedure that currently and then and now actually sailed in our country. it does not provide real mechanisms for bringing these people to justice. that is, we have quite a lot of legal cases opened according to the article in

violation of the laws and customs of war, but first of all, these cases are absolutely not open - this is another problem for us, because we post, we will post, and now we post on this platform only those people who have officially come under the influence of the ukrainian or international criminal law, that is, we must have a reference to the fact that there is a crime, that the state is looking for these people, and since the state does all this secretly, and ms. venediktova declares about 15,000 criminal proceedings of some kind, and it is impossible to find a single name, who is involved in these proceedings, who are we, there is a very big problem with filling the website, legal, yes, and the second problem is that all the sbu, the prosecutor’s office , the police are engaged in this, but there is no common database and general application of results for this, and of course i already i am not saying that the state does not give any financial rewards . therefore, in the first case, after 5-7 years there will be

some absentee verdicts against people who live somewhere in saratov or even now are in occupied donetsk or on the demarcation line, and they will simply laugh at us e- well , there are no results except for absentee trials, so we would like to correct this situation, at least to try such a, frankly speaking, innovative idea for ukraine. the first in history. well, for the first time in history, we actually filed war crimes the state let's see what will come of this well, that is, there is a volunteer project with the support of some donor organizations, but it is not relevant, the state is not relevant, the security service of ukraine is not relevant, the general prosecutor's office, which in principle should initiate criminal cases and, er, verify war criminals. that is, this is a project of a public organization correctly, i understand absolutely correctly this is a project of a public organization it is

actually registered military authorities well, i can say, for example, that it will be ethical on my part that the team of our entry there is also ihor anatoliyovych kozlovskyi , known to everyone in ukraine, is a former political prisoner, as well as dnipro potekhin, who was also at a certain time in isolation, and in relation to the state of the institute , in fact, we refer to the information that has been found for a long time now in the open resources of the security of ukraine regarding suspicions of certain persons who are believed to be military personnel, and i hope that we will have cooperation with the main development management in terms of the implementation of this information that we are going to buy and generally receive. well, from that side, let's say so, because of

course we can, as a private volunteer initiative, rely on evidence of recreation. well, for example , we are ready. we will pay money for a video of torture . in general, in criminal cases, this is exactly what is done in this concentration camp, but if the case concerns a specific person of a war criminal, on whom the services should work, of course we a private initiative, we cannot do it. therefore, i still hope that we will have some contact with the main administration. well, but on the other hand, it seems that if what the general prosecutor's office or the foreign intelligence service or the security service of ukraine cannot do, a public organization can already do it because, in principle, they exist within the framework of some current legislation and within the framework of their functions and powers. you correctly said that ukraine is facing war crimes for the first time, and these

crimes began to be committed in 2014, and this is absolutely it is clear. how is this process of verifying who is a criminal and who is not a criminal ? what is the probability that there may be some people with the same last name somewhere? in fact, it may not be minor mistakes, that is why we do not take it upon ourselves as a public official to work exclusively with those whom the state is already officially suspected of and officially has the composition of a crime. that is, we are not an investigator organization in the sense that we take over the functions of the state and see someone here only if the person, i repeat, has already officially fallen under the influence of ukrainian or international criminal law, then we enter it on the website, but with regard to the state, there is also

a huge problem here, because, for example, the main directorate of development publishes lists of one and a half thousand people who appear as russian servicemen of a specific brigade, which, according to their data, was stationed, for example, in the north of our country, in the kyiv region. but when you turn to to, for example, the ministry of internal affairs, they say listen to us , three people are passing through these people, these are the people who were actually recognized, and the investigative actions of which were recognized by the residents. servicemen or all of them were really stationed in bucha and the kyiv region , and even if so, that they are all war criminals because, well, they could commit war crimes, or they could just be competent and just leave it here, a huge problem and we are very, very we are cautious about this, we have already seen similar

projects in the investigation. info on radio svoboda in schemes and in bigus, information about war criminals who committed crimes came out, in particular in the kyiv region and in other regions of ukraine, where there were mass murders, where there were rapes, where many there were a lot of different war crimes, what is fundamentally different about your project ? that is, you don't call your relatives, you don't try to call khabarovsk to some military unit, to the leadership of the military unit, or the military commissariat is somewhere there, that is, i understand that you are simply identifying yourself according to the list that has already been confirmed by law enforcement agencies, what is the number of people currently in your database, because i have not yet seen this web portal and i will look at it with pleasure because it is interesting just to see how you systematize this information according to

what criteria, city, origin , where he was born, where he was at that time in ukraine, involvement in some military unit, or in what way is the systematization of this large information for today in our database, fingers on february 9, they are all divided into four categories, these categories represent the most resonant in society and the international e-e public war crimes specifically, it can be called the category of isolation - this is the category of mh17 - this is the category of bucha and the category of kyiv region , they certainly do not exhaust all the war crimes of the russian federation that have been committed since 2014 , in this case we are pursuing purely draw attention to the

notebooks of the russian federation with these categories and their resonance, and this is our fundamental difference from all other projects that search for these people. that is, we really only take already identified criminals, but we plan to open an account under the name of each war criminal and collect funds from business , that is, an account will be able to replenish any issue , the funds on this account will be paid out in the event of the occurrence of three conditions, first of all, the provision of new evidence regarding the military united, if there is none yet in to the official case or the political plane, the second is the transfer of this person of the war criminal to the state of ukraine in any way, and the third is providing us with information that will lead to his arrest or information about his words that

this person actually no longer exists and there is no need to look for him that is, our first main idea is to create a financial mechanism for real access to these people, because without money well, i repeat, these will just be sentences in absentia and we will not reach any of them who can use your data in this database, forgive me for tautology eh, that is, the international tribunal can also use this information, how detailed will this information about these war criminals be, ah, definitely, well, it will be completely publicly available, there will be eh, surname, patronymic, there there will be, in general , all the information that law enforcement agencies have that we can get publicly. well, for example, in isolation, in addition to surnames, there are already established russian passports, which we installed together with under the

in general, they are all violations of article 438, don’t forget the war certificate, but some committed, for example, torture, and some sexual rapes, and what they were accused of. they commented on it. that is, it will be detailed and already detailed on the website. 10-11 countries will already print you sweden and lithuania is documentary evidence of this from this concentration camp isolation which unfortunately, you passed and dmytro was already there at the beginning of the war in september 2014, how many executioners are there in this new database from isolation well, not to be mistaken, there seem to be people,

but not all of them, because after the arrest of the stickman , in fact, we are sticks, the last names of three more people with the isolation administration, whom you are still looking for, and the security service does not share any information about his contacts, and i personally, even when comes to the sbu for questioning as a victim, asked the guys well, there are also korsakh nicknamed the forest and who are these people, one minute to ask attention and tell us their official data, we will also tell about them publicly, well, it is impossible to watch anything everything is classified, everyone, all the information is located in some secret banks and no one says anything , so unfortunately we have 7 people, if i am not mistaken. in november of last year, 2021, denis kulikovsky, who was the head of an illegal prison , was detained in kyiv. or, to put it more

simply, the isolation of the concentration camp, what is going on with this war criminal and are you being summoned for any questioning by the students of the stakes? what is the current procedure for passing a war criminal ? investigative actions call me as a victim of the milk pond, i don’t know at all. whether it is planned or not. apparently, it is planned when there will be a complete survey of all the victims, but for now, well, at the level of interrogations in the security service, he is kept somewhere, as far as i understand, separately, that is he is not in a pre-trial detention center in some isolation cell of the security service, they again do not say because there is a danger, that is, he is simply liquidated, well, you can agree here, but hey, investigative actions are underway on him and how many people pass as witnesses already eh

how many people are in the ukrainian territory who pass as witnesses for isolation? i tell you, this is simply a very specific legal question, so as not to make a mistake, because there are witnesses . december approached 50, now i can't even say more that now with this concentration camp in donetsk, it still exists and what happens to the people who get there and are there still people left in the concentration camp with whom you were there? many people with whom i was there are still in captivity, but not in isolation, they are usually already in the 32nd colony or in other colonies and prisons of the so

-called dnr and are currently in isolation. we have very little information about this, but from time to time information is being leaked that people are being sent there , including people from mariupol and our prisoners of war, not only prisoners of war, but including prisoners of war and civilians, one person - a civilian, definitely got there a few months ago from mariupol as a so-called filtration that is, she did not pass this filtering, she was sent to donetsk and then to isolation, we know exactly what the regime is currently doing there, what exactly they are doing and who the administration is, i do not know about it at the moment, well, it is reliably understood, mr. stanislav. is happening in general in donetsk and luhansk, since the line of conflict and the front line have already moved to the

administrative border of the luhansk region, and we understand that active hostilities of the russian federation are starting now in the donetsk region uh, you, according to your information, according to your contacts , uh, what do you know, what is happening there in donetsk and luhansk these days and in general, in these months, it is very difficult there, now you can rightly say a humanitarian catastrophe there, well, first of all, the men who are in those territories in the occupied territory of donetsk region, i can say kyiv and donetsk in particular. in fact, they almost never come to a position to avoid falling under the so-called mobilization, because there they simply take away everyone on the streets in order to somehow replenish the reserves for background, secondly, donetsk, mankivka is very powerful , it has been shelled almost every day for a month, and they are shelled like our military in

formations, it’s like and er, actually, so the russians who immediately use this shelling in order to shell there with ordinary there and radio and what eh 4-5 km in order to turn people against ukraine again and force them to go to the military commissariats, although this is work that is already underway and houses are simply being destroyed, so in donetsk, for example, in some areas, there are simply not many water and in some it is presented as a grid for donetsk - it is, well, even i remember this in the 14th year , but during all the years of the war when they shouted to crush the donbas, in fact, such a subscription is not about now, there really is a practical situation there and almost every day they all fall into place, you can see already during this time, in 8 years, a new generation of people living in donetsk and in general in the

russian-controlled dnr and the lnr has grown up. it is obvious that, well, then they were children, probably around 10 to 11 years old, now it is already people who are called to the army like that the so-called lpr and dpr, but in fact they are cannon fodder for the russian federation and it is clear that this is already a whole generation that we are losing, well informationally and it is clear that they do not identify themselves as ukrainians, how do you look at the future regarding donetsk and luhansk, taking into account that for eight years, this brainwashing has been going on, not only for older people who still remember what ukraine is, but for people who have already grown up on givi and motorola at school, it is very negative. i see this future

because the new generation really does not know the ukrainian language and ukrainian state and ukrainian history, and i'm afraid that the question is not even for this year's, although the intelligence war somehow has the war as a stage to end this year, and well, this, even according to optimistic calculations, does not mean the de-occupation of donbas, and even if it was taken down as a fighting year, we went down and liberated the territory , then in fact, teopeksya is a humanitarian, frontal, it will lead several more generations, and the generation that is currently studying the history of tabor, the history of russia, the history of the people's republic of the people's republic of china, and the masters next to whom are not really the heroes of givi and motorola, who stand in some pioneering ties excuse me near the monument zaharche, well, this is not solved for physical occupation, so of course we will have a huge humanitarian program for

those territories of people, first of all, young people who are now 8, 9, 12 years old there, just to work with them. according to your feelings, how long can it take to return these non-physical people mentally and informationally to the space of the ukrainian state, that is, this question actually concerns not only donetsk and luhansk regions, but also crimea, well, here to understand in general if take on everything in this territory. i think we can agree that at least one question is needed, if we are talking directly about the generation of young people who went to school already under the so -called dpr, then it is necessary to understand that they must be completely overnighted, that is, absolutely the new paradigms of information and humanitarianism and uh, i

actually even have such experience in the state, at least the most recent history in order to tell young people that everything they studied in general is the opposite, well, to simplify it completely yes and to teach them to learn to teach the ukrainian language is a huge problem, i'm afraid that it's a decade ahead well, maybe maybe a little and less because i remember at least i graduated from school back in the soviet union and when the soviet union collapsed i was a student of the faculty of journalism of kyiv university i remember i remember this period when it was necessary to teach the history of ukraine in a completely different way, to perceive what happened in ukraine in a completely different way for just a few centuries. well, but next to the new history of ukraine, we continued to teach there some subjects that were imprisoned under

marxism, mlinism is also like that well, the era was not easy, but thank god we got through it, when we talk about modern russia, we understand that er russia is a country of racism of a new ideology, which is imprisoned for the destruction of ukrainians and ukraine putin repeatedly spoke about the fact that such a country does not exist, that donbass in general, ukraine was invented by lenin , donbass in general, from kon to russian land, ukrainians were invented by pototsky, what do you think? when did this gene of this racism appear in russia 20 years ago, when putin came to power, did he always live in them and he was simply activated very simply at the expense of television and propaganda among

russians why do they hate ukrainians so much no, this is definitely not the result of putin's rule, this is the result of the russian empire, their general view of the world and on those lands that were part of the russian empire, in fact, he denies the existence of not only ukraine, he very clearly recently said that the territory of the former soviet union is historical russia, for him kazakhstan does not exist, i buy mother two stories are all russia, no matter what the peoples who live in this territory are called, that's why he is simply the personification of peach ambitions and they definitely have their loan from russian under soviet and current persons . moscow is everything else that is subject to moscow, whatever states, peoples were not part of this

territory, they should all be russians, so, well, at least while russia is in the form in which it exists . - first there is for reign in power maybe for a little while it looked like something from such a tradition, but i don't even remember to preach and russia, if there weren't such things, there wouldn't be such imperial ambitions. that's why we need to understand that it's much, much ahead and it's not limited the life of bukin himself. perhaps when he is gone, it will be even worse when putin began to launch missile strikes on ukraine. on february 24, 2022, the number of supporters of russian peace in ukraine decreased significantly, and then, according to the development of the war, i

it seems that russian peace gradually began to simply die and vladimir putin himself began to kill it. what do you think, after the current war, after the end of this war, when we win victory , will there be any supporters of russian peace in ukraine, or are they even now because, well, we see some propaganda shots from lysychansk when the russian military or the kadyrovs come in and start showing these women running out of the cellars where they were hiding from the shelling, shouting , dear, we have been waiting for you for a long time, and something else, that is, or destroyed russian peace in ukraine, are we now saying goodbye to this russian peace, are there still people who will continue to tell these propaganda stamps until the end that

they are ukrainians with a fire engine? ukrainians have specially launched this, has the russian peace in ukraine been destroyed, no, it will not be destroyed by this war, and we need to be aware that the russian federation's support for the constitution of the russian peace has generally decreased. these are very fast-moving processes that are based on on emotions and not due reflections as it should be uh well, how did it happen after the destruction of nazism in europe when there was historical memory when it was told about concentration camps when it was told about the crimes of the nazis and there was a reflection on what was hitler and he was built in the first regime and in general the fascist state of europe what is happening now in ukraine - this is a consequence of just falling missiles on the head well, just in quotes but none the less emotionally this is exactly so it is not intellectual reflection is emotions and they will, let's say

, disappear in comparison in accordance with the reduction of the equality of hostilities, and i always cite chechnya in this sense as an example, because pay attention well, the russians simply wiped chechnya off the face of the earth from 90 there in the fourth year to 2005 in fact yes, but now in chechnya, young chechens are my generation, or even younger, the younger generation, they are fighting for the russian federation, and they don’t remember what the chechen war was, and what happened there, that is, this the memory of this assessment has been completely erased by russian propaganda and graphics, and you should not think that this is the current war that is going on