that's why there is such a thing here, i think there is already a certain connection, instead, the forest of tracks, well, it's like this, you know, it 's such a big horror, including for russia , because the forest of tracks sometimes resorted to very harsh statements in relation to russia, she is currently lobbying for the confiscation of russian property abroad and its transfer or sale, with the funds being transferred to ukraine . that is, she is. let's say this is two hawks , so to speak. can fundamentally change britain's attitude towards ukraine at the same time, such information is just as interesting, but they have reactivated now and are already betting on

who will become the leader of the conservative party . johnson is fighting for this position. sunak took the first place and only in third place, ben wallace followed by lis stress over khim zahavi and sajit javit, this is how the layout from the bookmakers looks like, i don’t think they are wrong in any way, although everything can be, nevertheless, the list of candidates is really interesting - this is nothing to say, for example , tugenhat, an expert in foreign policy, is 49 years old , he fought in afghanistan and headed the special committee of the parliament on foreign affairs on certain matters, and he already made

it clear what will happen run for office in any leadership contest, i translate on the fly, he criticized johnson and spoke very frankly about foreign policy issues, especially about the need to take a hard line toward to china well, in fact, there are layouts from bloomberg for many candidates, except for the two hawks, which are good options for us. as i understand it, victor, there are weak candidates for ukraine on this list. counted 11 and now they call it i think that this is a shortlist it will increase every day because after all in britain

there is such an institutional democracy and i think that we will have a lot of reasons to discuss those or others candidates during, well, until october, how about three and a half months ago, let's wait for the round nomination of specific candidates, then it will be more clear and not to confuse your viewers with additional surnames well, i will say that the bookmakers are not always wrong. at least i am not i know whether it is british ukrainian bookmakers, for example, before the parliamentary elections of 2019. literally a week before the elections on voting day, sharia parties were allowed to pass. do you remember such a now-banned party 1.8 coefficient for passage to the council, that is, by betting 1,000 uah, you could win 800 uah plus, but the party did not pass without a chance, you understand, it was so that yesterday i was just a union of interests on the fact that, er,

borjonson, in the coming days, everyone argued with me for some resignation anyone was told that there is immunity. considering that the resignation on june 6th was failed and borjohnson has immunity for a whole year, but i reminded that margaret thatcher and theresa may have the same annual automatic immunity. they still still served resigned because there were circumstances that could not be stopped, and yesterday it was already obvious that this resignation would happen . and in general, the future of johnson. as you can see, he will be in politics outside of politics, he will be the moral authority of his the party of your nation,

please, here it is now, i have already looked at our battles on facebook, i have already looked at what positions johnson does not predict personality and quite such an energetic personality, it will be very difficult to stay somewhere in the shadows and leave active politics, it is obvious that he will look for a place for himself, i am not sure that he will accept the invitation from ukraine to lead the government, what the authorities are already writing about on social networks well, it would look very strange, especially since it seems to me that in order to lead the ukrainian government,

you still need to understand the nuances of ukrainian politics very well, it will not count for the prime minister whom she found on her throne queen elizaveta and here an incredible woman thought for 70 years, you really have to look i just got lost viktor brovko but but i still but i still want to remind you that johnson has exactly the same opportunity to return to the prime minister's chair as it was more than once with other prime ministers of britain there after one term, i will not rule out that such a scenario is also possible. well , i also wanted to ask about money, viktor, today, well, tetyana vysotska just joined from strasbourg, she said that the european parliament voted to support the proposal of the european commission

to provide macro-financial assistance to the eu to meet urgent budgetary needs in ukraine in the amount of 1 billion euros and by the end of the year we will receive 9 billion euros, well tetyana vysotska just told us about it how do you assess the amount of assistance and not even about this militia is the minimum amount of money, of course, the consequences of this donation check for the re-development conference in lugano for the swiss confederation, to what extent did the plan that was presented by ukraine affect the desire i am asking european and world leaders to help us, here is your assessment of the first results of lugano. it seems to me that we went to lugano to declare our dreams. that is, this is not yet a substantive conversation, a substantive conversation will take place then, when the war really ends, we will understand the

substantive figures, we will be able to them discuss i don't understand the truth, which two and a half thousand experts worked on this document, what is the government declaring, well, we don't have that many experts, i think, er, economically, economists who could do it to develop at least maybe they in general in the age conference how much are such things needed at all the next conference next year we hope that we will all live to be accepted just great britain please i think that it was only as an application further the government will have to sit down and work out a point with western partners and when you reo it here talk about money here the main thing here was to declare the principles if the ukrainian government agrees to the principles that the funds that will be

provided there by european banks there development reconstruction by the world bank, by donor countries, and so on, all this money will be strictly controlled, then we will go , this train will go very quickly if we start to insist and tell that you give us money, and we ourselves know what to spend it on. it will look exactly the same. excuse me, how was it with us in the month before the war, when we were told that you have your own intelligence, but our best knows that there will be no invasion, that's about the same story, but you said that lugano it's not something this is a substantive conversation right there about the dream of ukraine and possibly some intentions in the future of the europeans, but they themselves drew attention to the fact that in

practice this was crowned by us once again clearly noted that without reform, without internal reform and without any supervisory mechanisms it is possible for additional bodies to be involved with the involvement of foreigners, well, it is not worth counting on money, and here i return to the question of the seven points that were announced to us during the presentation of the application for membership to the european union, and without the implementation of which we even have a discussion about this membership will not start, there is nothing complicated and i still do not see any changes, to be honest, on any of these points, do you think there is some kind of sabotage inside our country of those wishes for us from europeans khrystyna i just wanted to say that we can some of these points should be decided in a few days and some in a

few weeks, at least appoint the head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office there, that's 5 minutes, realistically. this is a decision that can be made in 5 minutes, collected in 5 minutes uh, the commission that has already held the competition and sign the protocol. in this way, we would at least demonstrate our intentions that we are ready to move forward. i don't understand why this isn't happening. frankly speaking , it's exactly the same as the announcement of the competition . to do already by this day with uh what was transferred to us here uh those seven points are exactly the same and other uh there are projects

which uh de facto we can also quite quickly on which we can explore quickly walk but well , i talked yesterday and this morning with representatives of some western embassies they say we can't understand why they are resisting so much, well, that is, these are logical actions, well, let's leave this question rhetorical for now, but i still hope for answers in the near future. in analytics and we are taking a step further in matters of understanding and issues religious representatives of the clergy of the orthodox church of ukraine and the ukrainian orthodox church on july 5, they held the first official meeting on the territory of sofia this was reported by the minister of culture and information policy, oleksandr tkachenko, in a joint statement.

they condemned the war of putin's russia against ukraine and the destructive position of the moscow patriarchate in it, and also called on their hierarchs to start an official dialogue before the baptism of the kyivan rus'-ukraine. well, we will talk in more detail about these first steps to get closer to us in connection with george kovalenko, priest of the orthodox church, rector of the open orthodox university of st. sophia of wisdom, we welcome you, mr. george, glory to jesus to christ glory to ukraine all writers oleksandr drabynko - metropolitan of pereyaslav and vyshnevsky orthodox church of ukraine with us also in touch, congratulations oleksandr, our sincere greetings, god 's blessings to all i congratulate everyone on the holiday of john the baptist christmas thank you, dear our guests, experts, what exactly is ukrainian, different

ukrainian orthodox communities have to do together by july 28, the day of the baptism of kyivan rus' by ukraine, what exactly was agreed upon, please tell us, mr. george , do you start, uh, you met the clergy who wants a unity that wants to serve god and fulfill his commandment to love one another and wants to serve the people of ukraine and fight for our freedom and independence, we declared our desire that there should be no enmity between our churches, but an understanding, that is why this declaration is called a declaration of understanding, but this is the first step, this is an informal meeting of people who sincerely want to move in this direction and people who

are ready to take on some responsibility, but our responsibility is within our opportunities, someone is the superior of the operation, someone is a cleric. for example, i am working on a project for an open orthodox university. we all unite voluntarily and freely, and perhaps this is our connection, because we are just demonstrating that churches can unite, can work together and have a common prayer. well, we we can see, i understand the photo report from this meeting, e.p. oleksandr. if this was the first step, this declaration of understanding, what should the second step be in your opinion, please , it is difficult to say now what the second step should be because actually all the participants of this meeting i know personally and have known for

more than 10 years, both on one side and on the other, one part of them joined the local orthodox church of ukraine after the great sophia cathedral he is called who announced the intention of autocephaly of the ukrainian orthodox church, which joined and who was granted a tomos about the independence and autocephaly of this church, part of the so-called ukrainian wing that was once formed and talked about er, which existed during the time of metropolitan volodymyr , it’s not for nothing that er, er, it probably also happened symbolically . what exactly happened on the day of the death of metropolitan volodymyr, the 8th anniversary of his death, er, blessed end, er , this meeting took place, maybe there is also some symbolism of its own here maybe vladyka volodymyr also has some blessings from heaven on what is happening, that is, knowing these people, i would not say that something extraordinary happened, because like-minded people actually gathered at this table. and a dialogue

should take place between those people who unable to sit down at the negotiating table today, but they must be seated at this negotiating table, and the majority of them, when we talk , when we talk with people who think almost the same as we think, it's good, but as father george just said, it is still a declarative meeting and a declaration - this is the non-acceptance of a decision of some kind, of course, in our er, such a church system, councils, synods , er, we can only what can be done, the clergy can move er, the clergy and one and other religious communities to take more concrete steps and make decisions . priests, like no one else in the parishes, know the moods of the clergy, the moods of the parishioners and their relationship to the events that

are taking place today, especially during the war between russia and ukraine, and they can help the bishops to start making decisions. correct decisions. why am i not very optimistic about what is happening, although it is very favorable? the fact is that in 2007-8, during the lifetime of the holy memory of metropolitan volodymyr, there were already commissions that conducted their a meeting to prepare for the dialogue, it was between the orthodox ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and the kyiv patriarchate and the autocephalous church of the ukrainian orthodox church. there were two such commissions. they held several meetings. according to the results of the last commission, comedians were accepted from 10 points. i will publish it again in the near future. to get acquainted with it, since it coincides with many provisions that are being discussed today, unfortunately, this commission

stopped working because metropolitan volodymyr was called from moscow, this is kirill goruna, who was an active participant in this negotiation process, was recalled to moscow, and in fact, that was the end of the work. if such work is revived in the future, it would be very good, but it is small, but for now it is happening at the grassroots level, at the level of the clergy as vladyka klimentren said, the spokesman of the moscow patriarchate says that no one authorized these people and they do not actually represent anyone. this is very good, but for today, i think that much better and more effective steps are needed, which can be the result of the fact that the negotiations should take place under the tripoli judge. this is how i understand the president between metropolitan epiphanius and his beatitude metropolitan onuphrius

oleksandra well, from what you said, the most important thing that i now understand as a very homely person is actually the fact that there is someone to talk to and someone to appeal to, and this is actually very important, however, it remains an incomprehensible position to me people who make decisions, if we are talking about the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, because in my opinion, they are now leading the way or to listen to their clergy, and they have already distanced themselves from their patriarch kirill, in fact. as far as i understand, they no longer commemorate him in church services or partially do not commemorate him. me, if i say something wrong, but less so, the status of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is not completely clear to me, it has already distanced itself from the russian of the orthodox church, but let's say it has not entered into a

dialogue with the orthodox church of ukraine and based on the norms of the canons. and here are the rules that exist in religious life in the orthodox country. please explain to me what they are now, what kind of formation is this, mr. george, well, first of all, you are right what is the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, i will continue to call it because there is both the ukrainian orthodox church and the moscow patriarchate and now certain processes are taking place between them, it is in russia, but to i wanted to say that imagine the paradox regardless of the fact that the uoc is now declaring its independence from moscow together with the moscow priests and bishops, they will pray because they consider each other canonically blessed and so on and so on, but it is very big part of the ukrainian orthodox church of the

moscow patriarchate will not pray with other orthodox ukrainians and i consider this a very abnormal situation and for me it is a marker of whether these people are ready to pray with us, then it is real the ukrainian orthodox church regarding what is happening with the ukrainian orthodox church, now the process has begun, what you said about those independent of moscow, also only in the comments in the document that was adopted , in fact, there are no such formulations, it is at the level of conversations, and amendments have been made to the statute but this statute has not yet been formalized, there are no official comments on it, there is a letter from metropolitan onufriy to the state service of co-politics and freedom of conscience, where it is more harsh in its wording than the documents of this council, but it is just as official it has not been published, but now, at the request

of one of the citizens, the public space was released, so i think that this is a process . the uoc depends on the armed forces of ukraine, because on our territory it positions itself as the uoc and is separated from moscow . and in the occupied territories, unfortunately, it positions itself as the moscow patriarchate and completely becomes a part of the russian churches of the moscow patriarchate by yuryu well, you say terrible things that the fate of the ukrainian church depends on the situation at the front, if we win , the church will be ukrainian orthodox, if we don't win, it will be the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, if we don't win, there will be russian peace and all those

churches and believers who position themselves as ukrainian churches. they may repeat the fate of the same clergymen of the 1920s and 1946s after 1946, and that is why it is an important issue for us. unfortunately, for a large part this is the question of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate. what kind of government will come, we will cooperate with such a government. i believe that this is a dangerous position regarding even inspiring our people to resist and fight for independence. i do not separate myself from my people, and as a christian, i am a christian. and this is my identity, which is inseparable. and i would like to have exactly such a position in the ukrainian churches, including the ukrainian orthodox church, and such a position is held by part of the clergy, and i believe that it is possible to undermine it in this church, not in the ukrainian orthodox church

of the churches of the moscow patriarchate, there are about a thousand of them. even a little more have already moved to the ptu. and what are the dynamics of this process in general, mr. oleksandr ? there are regions in which we observe daily accessions and not one, but two per paragraph. so, we observe the greatest such dynamics in khmelnytskyi, zhytomyr and volyn, and other dioceses of this kind the dynamics don't even have to take kyiv region in kyiv region there are also certain difficulties in the direction because even the parishes that, well, i'll say from my own experience, joined our diocese, the

priest reluctantly says, and if they return, i mean from of the de -occupied territories, e.e. i came to some places and talked with the clergy, they are very afraid that they will not let me return again and what will happen to us then, the priests are still afraid, and our bishops, who should i mean the moscow patriarchate, e.e., who should er, to adequately relate to the event which are taking place literally the day before yesterday, when this meeting of sophia of kyiv took place, i spoke with a priest who came from a diocese not far from kyiv of this party, i will not name the name of this bishop, not a priest, but he began to read prayers as a member of the moscow patriarchate the bishop called him in ukrainian, you are the one who is making a difference to me here, even though the bishop himself is from western ukraine and says, well,

you are reading ukraine in ukrainian the fruits of the war right now. it is not known who will win. this is the mood among the episcopate of the russian ukrainian orthodox church of moscow. there are a lot of them, and they are slowing down, and the priests are worried about their places, their families, that is, the dynamics of restraint. because of fear, maybe let's wait, somehow it will be different, but there are parishes that are transferring and joining the orthodox church of ukraine, but without priests, but this is not an option, because it is necessary for the parishes to join the local church precisely by priests, and by priests such as participated in that meeting, i think that there are enough of them, but for 30 years, brainwashing is canonical, not canonical, and the rest of the issues that were related to this were tangential, they did their job,

well, oleksandr, see another question even two questions two questions ago concise still dear guests yesterday i wrote a statement on the compilation of deputy powers vadym novynskyi is not an easy person in the ukrainian church world, a person who was considered an administrator, a patron of the greatest one of the main sponsors of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, and even at the cathedral he was supposedly just a deacon or a deacon, as it is correctly called, he sat there next to the bishops in the first row, well, at least we showed the photos, which proves, mr. oleksandr , that well, he has already finished it is the task of some higher forces regarding the curation of the church. is this event of yesterday discussed at all in the church world? i don't know how it could be evaluated. this question, but i still go back to 2012 , when he said a classic phrase that i will

never forget, it was before the synod that was to be held at that time, metropolitan volodymyr was ill, and one certain decision was made, he came then and said that it turns out that the church is easy to steer since a certain e-e decision was made e and i understand it, it is possible e-e somehow his political settings went to the side, does not exclude maybe he wants to continue to steer in the church since metropolitan onufriy he is already old and at 85 years old has already transgressed e- is novynskyi in a coalition with metropolitan antony of boryspil whom moscow and yanukovych saw as the head of the ukrainian church at one time fulfilling this mission. perhaps we will see in the near future that this young deacon vadim novynskyi, as you say, will also be a bishop of the ukrainian church and will continue to rule in to this church as he wants. i very succinctly wanted to

take advantage of the moment. of the kyiv-pechers lavra, the orthodox church of ukraine, there was a letter later corresponding to prime minister shmygal regarding the provision of premises on the territory of the kyiv-pechers lavra, is there any result, mr. georgyov ? to serve in one of those churches that are not currently used by the ukrainian orthodox church, and we see no reason for a conflict in this matter. on the contrary, it would give an opportunity to orthodox ukrainians as well exercise your rights to pray in the sanctuary of our land, the kyiv-pechersk lavra. thank you very much, george kovalenko, priest of the orthodox church of ukraine, rector of the open orthodox university of st. sophia of wisdom, and oleksandr drabynko, metropolitan