they ask very reasonable questions, where should we store our furniture, and in general, where should we live next, when there will be light, when there will be water, and so on, there is no answer to this, there is only propaganda, but in fact, they have completed the task, the port is unlocked, the electricity has been submitted, now the repairs will be finished, that is in a few days we will already see how it began. well, the real occupation has begun in mariupol, this is the transport, the military-transport connection is scheduled from mariupol, and the military equipment, including fuel and ammunition, will go in bulk mariupol, that is, the occupiers, from their point of view, their plans in mariupol, everything is ok. there are simply no people there with these plans and normal living conditions. i would like to understand. and in what information space do people live in mariupol that are available to them? i don't know the source of information if is it so and do they, for

example, have the opportunity to see our broadcast or the broadcast of our colleagues, you understand that we are still with them and cheer for them and are ready to help in everything we can if only they could find a way to escape from that hell partially available our tv through t2 seems to be very difficult. electricity is available and there is t2. not many people are caught watching. because, well, the question falls on people, of course, and uh, it goes through other information channels . the main way of disseminating information within the city and among themselves is all kinds of viber chat groups, telegram channels, and mostly all of them are currently under administration and control facebook users of the russian federation but we will also call

partisans hooligans there and tell the truth about a lot of people with whom we communicate. and then all the evacuated people communicate by phone through other messengers with people who are inside the city, that is, word of mouth radio works, but unfortunately there is no global civilized channel that will throw in give information to my employees exists, but we use all of the same ones that they should be surprised, we are waiting for them all here soon, the city will return eh, whoever does not want from some or i can't evacuate for some reason, so he should wait for us to do everything for this, well . no one abandoned them, no one has forgotten the people of mariupol, and mariupol - this is definitely ukraine and our flag is like a snake. we are sure that very soon we will fly our city again. thank you, mr. peter i just want to add that in the context of, well, you all know the international

meetings and summits that took place on the site of lugano, where they are already talking about plans for the reconstruction of our country after the war. well, that is already being accounted for. and how much money will be needed to to restore mariupol 14 billion dollars and 7 - 10 years, the mayor of the city, vadym boychenko, said that the main thing here is that there are already some outlined frameworks and we know what we should strive for, thanks petro andryushchenko, the adviser to the mayor of the city of mariupol , was in touch with us, we are taking steps next and our next guest is volodymyr omelyan, the former minister of infrastructure of ukraine in the 16th and 19th years, a fighter of the 206th territorial defense battalion of the city of kyiv, but i suspect something that he is not in kyiv now, because a person knows very well that is happening, in particular, throughout the territory of our country, mr. volodymyr, we congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes, glad to hear and see you good afternoon,

mr. volodymyr, you were not invited to lugano to the recovering conference on the restoration of ukraine, well, still, a rhetorical question and how do you assess what happened in the territory of the swiss confederation in terms of the specific consequences for ukraine and the restoration of its infrastructure and the plan that shmygal presented there. how do you see him? thanks to the member for the photos of the deputies and those who were present, the place is really beautiful and it is actually very good that this conference took place. because the issue of ukraine should be the number one issue, because we are fighting for the world now. as for disappointments, there is no doubt that the document presented by the government was extremely weak and it did not can withstand any criticism if before the meaningful and professional content we did not see the answer to the key

questions what kind of economy are we building what kind of investments are we attracting and where and what way will we go to all this and the key thing that our government officials do not understand, whether it is the marshall plan or the plan for the reconstruction of ukraine. we must receive at least another 10-15 dollars of foreign direct investment. and this is only possible for a country that has a high quality of state management, a clear tax system, the rule of law, the inviolability of private ownership, a transparent judicial system, many other things, you know, i am interested in actually watching how the armed forces of ukraine, together with the people of ukraine, were able to mobilize and protest against the aggressor, how

a huge international community, which includes more than 50 countries of the world , has united around ukraine militarily somehow everything is coordinated and everything works out for us, but with the reforms with politics and the internal change of the state at all levels, everything still looks quite problematic, unfortunately. well, as i understand it, the ukrainian delegation was headed by the minister of community and territory development oleksiy chernyshov maybe i'm wrong, at least he gave many reports and presentations there, he is now called one of the contenders for the position of head of the government if denis shmal retires in the fall well, but well, should the top frontman of this presentation be the minister of community development and not, for example, the minister of economy, well, that is, the development of communities is wonderful and the restoration of the territory, but as you say, it was a conference about the future of the

ukrainian economy in general and the economy and society. why will we build our tomorrow in terms of the positioning of ukrainian business, ukrainian money and ukrainian labor force, perhaps there was no dissonance from you. what was it? from the point of view of our government, it was about the restoration of the territory there, the community from the point of view of the global perspective, it should have been about positioning of ukraine in general in the modern world in the future, of course yes. plus, the conference in lugano was not purely about money, but she actually started a discussion on the european platform , what did she emphasize? by the way, ms. ursula fantalyaen and while volodymyr omelyan has disappeared from our television broadcasts, and if it will be for a long time, then we hmm will read you some interesting information. therefore,

giving part of the territory of ukraine in exchange for a ceasefire is an unacceptable option for ukraine. kyiv mayor vitaliy klitschko spoke about this in an interview with the british of the sky news channel . sometimes it upsets me when i hear such a message from our partners. this is the same message that russia sends, saying that we are ready to find a compromise. let's find a solution. what kind of compromise should we give? a part of the territory is a compromise, a question mark for us ukrainians, this is not the case, klitschko said, “i would be happy to do so, it was even a little more,” she added . of his country and the majority there said yes, we think so, dear, no one is asking you, to be honest , what in fact, among other things, klitschko also said that russia simply will not stop only at donbas in exchange for peace because it needs all of ukraine, that is why the western partners should provide ukraine with more weapons,

returned to us on volodymyr melyan's connection, mr. volodymyr, we hear you again, i hope what i see, i enjoy the lugano conference, ursola foundation, it was not by chance that she said that she wants to launch a european platform for ukraine and is ready to take ukraine by the hand, invite the best world experts outside the european union and give us a clear vision of the future, because a serious discussion between the united states and the european union, the countries of the g7, who exactly will help ukraine, who will play a key role in this, but besides that, it is very important that we approach this work in a qualitative and conscious way, and with that, we have quite serious programs, because i had the opportunity to review these 850 projects worth 750 billion dollars offered by the government as a tool for changing the country. i'm sorry, these are very

crude documents. these are not projects, but just some project ideas, and everything is written there. the impression is that just every ministry of video gave us the fact that we have been lying somewhere where they have been for a long time. perhaps something is the transformation program of ukraine that was presented last year in washington. it is also a rather not very successful document, and with such a set we will not get far. we must clearly give a vision of a new ukraine, not repair, but the construction of a new one and this must be understood by us ourselves what we want and then let the world know that we really were an integral part of the world's production facilities, otherwise the song will not go differently, we will have a situation that we decide again to extract grain metal or ore and we are glad that we have id well, we understand that the question of our reformation is standing on different stones, it's a shame that it's not for us, but for our partners, so that they start taking responsibility, including

for the reconstruction of our country financial in the first place, but in addition there is the question of creating some preventive measures. if you want filtration centers, if you want and if possible even by europeans and our colleagues from abroad, who would help, uh, well, supervise the development of those funds that, in the best case, will go to our country for reconstruction, how should we react to this, because it seems to me that the ukrainian government is currently offering rather unclear signals, and the head of the president's office, andriy yermak, noted that the main thing here will be transparency and trust, well, we promise you transparency and you trust us, i'm not sure that i'm ready as a citizen to sign up for this because i would like to live as before and it's simply not possible but nevertheless we are being pushed to this again according to your opinion, remember i remembered in a new way i remembered an anecdote about chapaev and petka and about the gentleman's club in which he came to britain chapaev won a very

large sum says well here in our club everyone is trusted naslu when they told him show what you have 21 says well here i have a card and it died here too i have this situation it is necessary for everyone in our budget club to be trusted at their word, so give us the money and then we will distribute it ourselves. where should we spend it? well, you know that as a guardian of transparency and trust, we will put a tyshchen with an enlav or a javelin that was painted there recently somewhere on obolon, you definitely understand this story. this story will definitely not pass. no one will now trust ukraine with money. remembering the previous different situations with different presidents, including the current one . - what foreign investments can we plan, we can negotiate, this should be done a long time ago but serious money is after the war and really, when the ukrainian government, whether it is mr. yarmak's

, will demonstrate transparency and there will be trust, eh, i don't know how will the international supervisory board or any other international platform be formed? maybe mr. zelensky will play outside the box and offer the position of prime minister of ukraine to mr. boris johnson, who will have more free time, expected from october this year, maybe we will attract truly world names to help us in the best possible way and understand where ukraine is going, so that we can definitely get here, but this is definitely a challenge for the current elite, because we are fighting on the battlefield, we are fighting successfully, causing the admiration of this civilized world, the same there should be delight from ukrainian reforms from state management and from the result that ukrainians get during one next generation, will this elite be able to do it, i also have huge well-founded judgments, and this is the figure itself

, tell me about denys the shmago, he was perceived in lugana as well, as a temporary person who is currently preparing to leave the government or as a person who will directly deal with the restoration of the ukrainian economy and ukrainian infrastructure. what do you think, please? well, you know very well that the government team was present in at the highest level, one way or another, regarding mr. shmygal himself. i think that like tulip zelensky, like many other official factors from the state who are known in the public space, they now assess equally that it is ukraine that is fighting and winning, and we see, for example, there is great liberalism in britain today , that is, a change of prime ministers -minister changes absolutely nothing for britain in the foreign direction, the same should be true for ukraine that every new president, every new head of government who takes over the helm of the state means that we turn around and go

somewhere in russia, in china, in belarus, or in moldova, we chose the eu and nato, these are our two strategic ideas for consolidating the constitution of ukraine and we must implement them here, it’s just a question of efficiency. unfortunately, the government document was very pale, very well, i don’t want to say this, but i will say primitive. and by the way, he did not come to any internal discussion in the country at all, despite the fact that the government loudly said that 2,500 or 7,500 experts were involved. we did not see this document publicly until the moment of its presentation in lugano. i received all kinds of truths and lies, i had a lot of people who asked me to read them, yes, this is the wrong approach, we are talking about what ukraine will be like in 5-10-30 years, guys, why are you hiding this, well, two and a half people were involved in the analytics for this document people, i just remember

the plan for the transformation of ukraine that zelensky presented last september for 277 billion dollars. i think that this is the plan. unfortunately, the fate of the previous plan that was presented in the united states may suffer. unfortunately, you know what a pity it really did plans of the ruling team, but they didn't really try to do anything. i'm just genuinely surprised. why did they do it like that? that is, we don't really see any meaningful, high-quality project there. we don't see it at all . victory, these answers should be today, what are we waiting for, we just have time and in fact will have a situation so that after you defeat the russians, we will sit down and scratch the back of our heads and spend another year preparing some

document, then half a year for its implementation or a year, and then 3-5-10 years for the construction itself. well, this is a road to nowhere. thank you, mr. volodymyr volodymyra omelyan, former minister of infrastructure of ukraine from the 16th to the 19th year, a fighter of the 206th territorial defense battalion of the city of kyiv was in touch with us and very expertly put on the shelves a document prepared for the conference in lugano, which related to plans for the restoration of our country, constructive criticism has the right to exist even in wartime, well, now let's talk about the work of journalists in the war, the ways not over yets photo exhibition in memory of the dead journalists opened today in boyarka, near the ukrainian capital, near kyiv. this is the hometown of photojournalist max levin, who died in march 2022 while covering the russian invasion of ukraine. our

film crew works in boyarka on contact us now tetyana litvinova tanya congratulations, how is the exhibition going and what other news from boyarka eh khrystyna i congratulate you i congratulate all our viewers exactly as you said we are in boyarka here today it opened photo exhibition the war is not over yet, which is dedicated to the dead ukrainian journalists who died since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of ukraine by the russian federation and why exactly boyarka before this photo exhibition was already presented in kyiv and today it is boyarka because it is here that the famous photojournalist max levin was born filmed the war and actually died in this war, so this exhibition was presented in this place and it is designed to tell all the people about those people who

covered russian crimes and who died because of the war, there are 33 people, and these are people who died as a result of their direct journalistic activities, and those journalists who went as volunteers to the war, who were reservists, who were previously war correspondents, for example max, for example , oleksandr makhov, and those who also died in the war and journalists who accidentally died as a result of shelling, such as our colleague vira hyrych, who died in the apartment of her house when this house was hit by a russian enemy missile well, i will also note that max levin worked for quite a long time, he filmed the war all the time, for eight years, he started during the revolution of dignity, he was beaten there, he covered these events, then he

worked in the east from the 14th year and he got in and left from the ilovaisk boiler, he stayed there for some time with his colleagues, one can say he was saved by a miracle, and after that he started such a project, where he told about the people who were connected with this tragedy, and also when it began, a full-scale invasion max levin already had to tell about the crimes of the russians in his native kyiv region and on march 13, max stopped communicating , it became clear that something bad had happened and on april 1 he was found dead, of course the investigation is still ongoing, but according to the investigation of reporters without borders it was an execution he died as a result of two shots. and i will note that max is survived

by his common-law wife, four children, and his mother. she was present at the photo exhibition today, and i will also note that the exhibition will last until july 28. i will get to know her here, and then she will travel to other cities of ukraine, and i will also add that a number of street renamings have taken place, this is a continuation of russification, decommunization, and more than 70 streets have received a new name, certain names are quite so controversial until now, there is a discussion about them, but i am glad to note that the native street of max levin is now named after him and will already bear his name, this is the situation in borodyanka, since this is a city in boyarka, in a city near kyiv, as far as public relations there are now

public opinion people we talked a lot today about the possibility of a second offensive from belarus, how much people are not afraid to live now in their hometown of boyarka, i ask that the situation in boyarka is generally calm, i note that boyarka was not occupied, but there were also explosions here and the city was shelled then as a result of this shelling also killed people, they were wounded, and that's why the city also felt what war is like, but not on such a scale as, of course, bucha irpin and borodyanka, but of course people continue to live like in other in the regions of ukraine, they are trying to live and prepare for uh, for everything, for various options. and of course, they are ready to give life or the enemy in any option . of course, people are ready for this and do not relax. and tetyana litvinova, a correspondent of the espresso tv channel

, was in touch with us about a photo exhibition in memory of the fallen journalists the worlds not over year is in touch with us now otar dovzhenko, head of the independent media council, editor-in-chief of the online publication detector media taro, we congratulate you glory to ukraine heroes glory to ukraine well, let's let's start with the current information campaign, which the russians began to disperse and the ukrainian mass media actively supported, unfortunately, regarding information about the alleged destruction of two missile systems of american rocket salvo fire highs. russian smart rocket, after which a number of ukrainian mass media spread this information that it is true, well, with such an application . of the ukrainian general staff, where this information was

refuted by the russians, what should be the main conclusions of this story for ukrainian media people, for ukrainian journalists, in your opinion? you will look at our edition. we have a publication that is actually a selection of fakes with their tasting, but it is important that with their refutation yes that it is a fake and we are reporting it along with that, in fact, regardless of whether it is true or not . even if it were true, it is obvious that it should not be reported to the

ukrainians . in response, the ukrainian ministry of defense would show a video on which all these machines are standing next to each other with some date that cannot be faked . with that russian propaganda is lying again. then i have one more question. what is the point of proving that russian propaganda is lying that someone else in ukraine does not know this, it is no worse than a lie propaganda therefore well, in any case, from any side, it is quite strange i think that such things should be avoided, especially considering that in principle, if it were true, ours would simply deny it. because i don't want to spread bad news , and russian propaganda, god forbid , would turn out to be right, so it's generally so inconvenient the situation would be better not to dress up like that, well

, the question is not even about russian snakes, but about the ukrainian mass media, which spread information with reference to the russian mass media, and the only thing they add is that, well, there is no confirmation information, but we report about it and put it on the first column of our of an influential and respected ukrainian publication. people read it, but they don’t read tas, rea news, or kiselovo. they read ukrainian publications there, one of the most common and most popular there is a number or not even a publication one and this question is already up to us, to the ukrainians, there is no need to do it. okay, so please tell us what you know about the volunteer initiative, how not to become a vegetable, which formed a base of almost 2,1800 russian propagandists and public figures who continue to support the war, or rather what you know, because i am sure that you know a lot. and what is this database for? we are used to the fact that information is collected about specific people in

order that later it is for the example of some . the base for which it is possible for ukrainians, you know, we, uh, probably sometimes slightly overestimate the special services and the self-security service of ukraine . unlimited monitoring capabilities in order to catalog absolutely all people who are against ukraine, so that you are in case if this person, for example, wants to enter ukraine or suddenly applies for ukrainian citizenship, as certain russians are now doing or if it is some ukrainian person who supported the invasion and then she pretends to be a ukrainian patriot. how do some of them do it so that in this case they either impose some

sanctions on this person or do not allow them to enter ukraine or at least do something about it that in fact, well, traitors already have it written on their foreheads that they are traitors, certain of their public statements and actions testify to the fact that they are traitors, eh, they are also propagandists, yes, we know solovyov, eh, what is the name of skabeev, kiselyov, and the like but we don't know very, very, very many other russian journalists, presenters and so on who are engaged in spreading this very propaganda, but we just don't have their last name, so we are the only ones. thank god that we don't know them, this means that our information space has been so cleaned up in recent years that we no longer need to know every russian propagandist and but to have such a catalog in which are written people who are waging an information war against ukraine or who betrayed

ukraine and went over to the side of russia, this is very, very useful for us - i mean the media detector where i work, at the very beginning of the war, they started to make such a board of shame, and in this board, the hryvnias of shame were mainly our media persons and there were various politicians, tv presenters, bloggers, they had several dozen there, and then in the end we what is this then in the end we tracked and saw that most of these people somehow disappeared from the information space, that is, their pages in social networks were blocked, obviously not without the participation of our special services , and in fact, these people, in addition to those who are in russia, lost the opportunity to influence the ukrainian information field precisely because someone cataloged them, that's why it's a very useful

initiative, i'm familiar with this list, we talked with oksana moroz, who actually started this initiative and one of the relatively early stages of this list, she expanded it with us so that we could use it and still inexhaustible, unfortunately for us. thank you, otary natar dovzhenko, head of the independent media council, editor-in-chief of the online publication detector media , ihor checherindayaska was with you during the last four hours. well, colleagues from the radio freedom, ammunition depots are snakes - this is ukraine, the ukrainian flag was raised over the island, british prime minister boris johnson is resigning