glory to ukraine is a program, my name is serhii rudenko. good day and good health to all. today is the 134th day of heroic resistance of ukrainians against the russian occupation. the russian army fired missiles at odesa and the island of change , where it significantly damaged the pier. meanwhile, the ukrainian military installed the ukrainian flag on the snake. russia is trying to advance on sloviansk and bakhmut, the ukrainian military claims that the attacks repelled the biggest losses the russian army suffered in the avdiiv and bakhmut directions in the past day the general staff reported that at the beginning of the great war, the russians had already lost 36,650 people in ukraine, 1,602 tanks, 3,797 armored combat vehicles, 1,815

artillery systems, 247 multiple- launch rocket systems, 107 air defense systems, 217 aircraft, 187 helicopters - 2,665 units of automotive equipment, 15 ships and boats, 6,656 units of unmanned aerial vehicles, 6 technicians, today we will talk about russia, military, or rather criminals, and their responsibility to ukrainians and the world. my guest is a journalist, blogger, member of the ukrainian plubu is one of the initiators of the creation of the fund for the search of war criminals stanislav aseev stanislav good day, i am glad to see and hear you on our broadcast good day back, let's start our conversation

about the fund for the search of war criminals, you are one of the initiators of the creation of this project, i know that this fund is completing legal work and here a web platform should already appear. this is a large database of war criminals who commit their crimes on the territory of the ukrainian state. tell us about this project and who is doing it. well, in fact, the legal fund is already it is registered, it already exists and you, the platform also exists, we just create a financial account for them, on which the funds will actually be transferred, we are going to pay out based on information about war criminals and add a little more, that is, another 10 percent of formal, purely technical work on the fund itself is an initiative - it was mine since the fall of last year, after the so-called palych, the commandant

of isolation in kyiv, was detained, it occurred to me how to actually reach out to other war criminals, and i understood that the procedure that currently and then and now has actually sailed in our country. it does not provide real mechanisms for bringing these people to justice. that is, we have quite a few legal cases instituted under the article in the violation of the laws and customs of war, but first of all, these cases are absolutely not open - this is another problem for us, because we post, we will post, and now we post on this platform only those people who have officially come under the influence of ukrainian or international e-e criminal law, i.e. in there must be a reference to the fact that there is a crime, that the state is looking for these people, and since the state does all this secretly and mrs. venediktova claims about 15,000 criminal proceedings and it is impossible to find a single name, who is involved in

these proceedings, who are we, there is a very big problem with filling the website, legal yes, and the second problem is that everyone, e.e., the sbu prosecutor’s office , the police, is engaged in this, but there is no general basis and general application of results for this, well, of course, i’m not saying that the state is not about any financial reward therefore, in the first case, after 5-7 years there will be some absentee verdicts against people who live somewhere in saratov or even now are in occupied donetsk or on the demarcation line and they will simply laugh at us and well, there will be no results except absentee trials, so we we would like to correct this situation, at least try this, frankly, an innovative idea for ukraine. first in history. well, actually, for the first time in history, we have addressed war crimes as a state. let's see what will come of it. fairy tales, the project is supported by some donor

organizations, but the state is not involved, the security service of ukraine is not involved . organization, it is actually registered, uh, we declare it on the website. is it all private? the initiative was primarily affected by the military authorities. well, i can say for example, it will be ethical on my part, on my part, to join our team, igor anatoliyovych kozlovskyi, known to everyone in ukraine, a former political knitter, and dnipro potekhin , who was also a situation for a certain time, and with regard to the state institutions that we refer to the information that has already been found in the open e-e resources

of personal security of ukraine regarding a-a means suspicion to certain persons in whom military pensions are considered and i hope that we will have cooperation with the main administration of e-e intelligence in terms of implementation information that we are going to buy and generally receive. well, on the other hand, let's say so, because of course we can, as private volunteers, support you with evidence of rest. well, for example, we are ready to pay money for video torture of isolation , which still does not exist in the public space and in general in criminal cases, that is here is what is done in this ascertainer, but if the case concerns a specific person of a war criminal on whom the special services should work, of course we as a private initiative cannot do it. that is why i i still hope that we will have some kind of contact with the main administration. well, on the other hand,

see if what the general prosecutor's office or the foreign intelligence service or the security service of ukraine cannot do, a public organization can already do it because, in principle, they exist in within the framework of any current legislation and within the framework of your functions and powers, you correctly said that ukraine is facing war crimes for the first time and these crimes began to be committed in 2014, and this is absolutely clear. how is this process going? verification, who is a criminal, who is not a criminal , how likely is it that there may be some people with the same last name somewhere? small mistakes, therefore, we do not take on this function as a public organization at all, we will work exclusively with those

whom the state already officially suspects and officially has the composition of a crime. that is, we are not investigative organization in the sense that we take over the functions of the state and we see someone here only if the person has already officially fallen under the influence of ukrainian or international criminal law, then we enter it on the website, but with regard to the state, there is also a huge problem here, because, for example, the main thing the intelligence department publishes lists of one and a half thousand people who appear as russian servicemen of a specific brigade, which, according to their data, stood, for example, in the north of our country, in the kyiv region. but when you turn to, for example, the ministry of internal affairs, they say listen. we have three people involved in this case, these are the people who were actually recognized by the pro-shot knowledge

of the investigative actions of the residents. are they all active military personnel, or were they all really stationed in buch and the kyiv region, and even if so, if they are all war criminals, because uh, well, they could have committed war crimes, or they could just be competent and just stay here for that reason a huge problem and we are very, very careful about this, we have already seen similar projects in the investigation.info on radio svoboda in schemes and in bigus, information about war criminals who committed crimes came out, in particular in the kyiv region and in other regions of ukraine where there were mass crimes where there were murders, where there were rapes, where there were many, many war crimes, what is fundamentally different about your project. that is, you don't call your relatives, you don't try to call khabarovsk to some military unit there, to the leadership of a military unit or somewhere there is a military commander

, that is, i understand that you are simply identifying yourself according to the list that has already been confirmed by law enforcement agencies, what is the number of people in your database now, because i have not yet seen unfortunately, this web portal with i'll be happy to watch it because it's interesting to see how you systematize this information according to what criteria, city, origin , where he was born, where was he at that time in ukraine, involvement in some military unit or in which the method of systematization of this large amount of information is currently in our database - this is february 9, they are all divided into four categories , these categories represent the most resonant war crimes in society and the international community, specifically, it can be called the category of isolation - this is the category of mh17

- this the bucha category and the kyiv region category certainly do not cover all war crimes of the russian federation that have been committed since 2014, in this case we are pursuing purely i would say yes to the parqueting of the goals in order to draw attention to the notebooks of the russian federation with these categories by their resonance, to raise funds, and this is our fundamental difference from all other projects that search for these people. that is, we really only take already identified criminals, but we plan to open an account under name of each war criminal and collect funds from private donations to business donations, that is, the account will be able to be replenished by any individual and legal entity , and certain funds on this account will be paid in the event of the occurrence of three conditions: the first is

the provision of new evidence regarding the military pervert , if there is none yet in the official case or the political plane ; information about his son, about the fact that this person actually does not exist and there is no need to look for him, that is, our first main idea is to create a financial mechanism for real access to these people, because we are out of money. i repeat, these will be just sentences in absentia, and we have not reached any of them, in the same way, use your data in this database, forgive me for the tautology . and definitely well, it will be completely

in public access, there will be er surname, patronymic name, there will be er, in general, all the information that is in law enforcement agencies and that we can get publicly well, for example, by isolation, except for surnames there are already installed russian passports, which we have installed together with under e-e, in 2021, it will be possible to have an address there, if there is isolation, it is there , and there will be an article under which the person is accused and the details of the crime, what exactly this person should be filmed , that is, in general, they all of them were violated by article 438 of the law of war, but some committed, for example, torture, and some sexual intercourse . by the way, i know that in 10-11 countries

sweden and lithuania will already print you, this is documentary evidence of this from this concentration camp, isolation which unfortunately, you passed and dmytro was already there at the beginning of the war in september 2014, how many executioners are there in this new database from isolation well, not to be mistaken, it seems like people, but it is not all of them, because after the arrest of the stickman, in fact, we stick to find out the names of three more people with the isolation administration, whom the ministry of internal affairs is still looking for, and the security service does not share any information from his interrogations and i personally, even when he comes to the sbu for questioning as a victim, he asked the guys. well, there are also

korsakhs, nicknamed the forest, and who are these people , one minute to ask for attention, and tell us their official data, we will also tell about them publicly, well, it is impossible to watch anything everyone is classified, all the information is located in some secret banks and no one says anything, so unfortunately, due to the isolation, we have 7 people, if i am not mistaken. in november of last year, 2021, denis kulikovsky, who was the manager , was detained in kyiv an illegal prison or, more simply, a concentration camp, isolation, what is going on with this war criminal and are you being summoned for any questioning by the apprentices? what is the current procedure for the passage of a war criminal

? there was no bid yet, i don’t know at all. whether it is planned or not. it is probably planned when the survey will be complete. as far as i understand, they are keeping him somewhere separately , that is, he is not in a pre-trial detention center in some isolation cell of the security service, they again do not say because of the fact that there is a danger, that is, he is simply liquidated, well , you can agree here, yes, but, well, investigative actions are underway on him and how many people passing as witnesses already, uh, how many people are in ukrainian territory who are passing as witnesses for isolation, that 's just me, it's a very specific legal question , so as not to make a mistake, because there are witnesses, and there are victims, but the general uh, and how many witnesses told me would the number of victims in this case already last year, somewhere in december, approached 50, now i can’t even

say what is happening now with this concentration camp in donetsk , does it still exist and what happens to the people who get there and are there still people left in the concentration camp with whom you were there, there are a lot of people with whom i was there in are still in captivity, but not in isolation, as a rule, they are already either in the 32nd colony or in other colonies and prisons of the so -called dnr and are currently in isolation. we have very little information about this but every now and then uh information is being leaked that people from mariupol and our prisoners of war are being sent there, not only prisoners of war, but including prisoners of war and civilians, one civilian definitely got there a few months ago from

mariupol as a so-called filtration. that is she did not pass this filtering, she was sent to donetsk and then to isolation, we know exactly what the regime is there at the moment, what exactly they are doing and who the administration is, i don't know about it at the moment . we don't know much about what is happening in donetsk and luhansk in general, because the line of contact and the front line have already moved to the administrative border of the luhansk region, and we understand that the russian federation is now starting active hostilities already in the donetsk region . you, according to your information, according to your contacts , what do you know, what is happening there in donetsk and luhansk these days, in general, in these months, it is very

difficult there, now you can say it is an ideal and humanitarian disaster, well, first of all, men who are located in those territories in the occupied territory of donetsk region, i can say kyiv and donetsk in particular. in fact, they almost do not take a position in order not to fall under the so-called mobilization, because there they simply take away everyone on the streets in order to somehow replenish the reserves little by little donetsk mankivka is very powerful and has been shelled for a month almost every day, and they are shelled like our military in formations, it is like a bull, in fact, so the russians, who immediately use this shelling in order to fire there with the usual radios and like 4-5 elements in order to turn people against ukraine and force them to go to the military commissariats, although this is a job that no longer works and its houses are simply being destroyed,

for example in donetsk in some areas, there is already a lot of water. and in some, it is served as a gift for donetsk - it is, well, even. i remember this in the 14th year, but during all the years of the war, when they shouted that the donbas is really not that close, about now there really this is the practical situation of almost everyone of the day only everyone is responding, you can see already during this time , in 8 years, a new generation of people living in donetsk and in general in the controlled russia is the so-called dpr and the so-called lpr and it is obvious that, well , then it was. the children are probably around 10 to 11 years old now these are already people who are being drafted into the army of the so -called lpr and dnr, but in fact they are cannon fodder for the russian federation, and it is clear that this is

already a whole generation that we are losing, well , informationally, and it is clear that they do not identify themselves as ukrainians, how about you look at the future regarding donetsk and luhansk, considering that this brainwashing has been going on for 8 years, not only for older people who still remember what ukraine is, but for people who have already grown up on givi and motorola at school , it is very negative. i see this future because really the new generation no longer knows the ukrainian language or the ukrainian state of ukrainian history, and i'm afraid that the issues are not even this year's, although according to our general intelligence, the war must somehow end its execution stage this year, and even by optimistic calculations, this does not mean

deoccupation of donbas even if it sounded like a year we entered donetsk and liberated the territory, in fact the theory is humanitarian and fatal, it will continue for several more generations and the generation that is currently studying the history of tabor russia, the history of russia, the history of the dpr, the lpr and mr. about whom we are really heroes givi and motorola who are standing in some kind of pioneer ties, i'm sorry, near the monument , please, well, this is not solved by physical de-occupation , therefore, of course, we will have a huge humanitarian program for those territories, people first of all young people who are now 8, 9, 12 years old, to simply work with them, and how much time do you think it will take to return these non-physical people mentally and informationally to the space of the ukrainian state, well, this issue actually

concerns not only donetsk and luhansk regions, but and crimea as well. well, here to understand in general, if you take everything on yourself in this territory, i think you can agree that at least one question is needed if we talk directly about the generation of young people who went to school already the so-called dnr of the lnr, uh, here you have to understand that they need to be completely retrained, that is, completely new paradigms of information and humanitarianism, and uh, i actually even know if there is such an experience in the state of at least recent history in order to tell the young people if everything was studied at all it's all the other way around, well, to simplify it completely yes, and to teach them to learn to teach the ukrainian language, well, this is a huge problem, i'm afraid that it's a decade ahead well, maybe maybe a little and less because i

remember at least i finished school back in the soviet union and when the soviet union collapsed, i was a student of the faculty of journalism of kyiv university, and do you remember this period when it was necessary to teach the history of ukraine in a completely different way, to perceive what was happening in ukraine for just a few centuries in a completely different way? well, but next to the new history in ukraine, we continued to teach some subjects that were imprisoned under marxism, millism is also like that. well, the era was not easy, but thank god we got through it. when we talk about modern russia, we understand that uh russia is a country of racism of a new ideology, which is focused on the destruction of ukrainians and ukraine. putin

has repeatedly said that such a country does not exist, that donbas in general, er , ukraine was invented by lenin. when did this gene of this racism appear in russia 20 years ago, when putin came to power , did he always live in them and was simply activated very simply due to television and propaganda among russians. why do they hate so much ukrainians no, this is definitely not the result of putin's rule, this is the result of the russian empire, their general view of the world and the land that was part of the russian empire

. he does not exist in kazakhstan, your mother. two stories are all of russia, whatever the names of the peoples who live in this territory are called, so he is just a vote of these peaches of ambition and they definitely have their own the position of e-e according to the russian language, according to sovietsky and according to the current persons. but all the same, the phase platform they have is one that is moscow and there is everything else that is subordinate to moscow and what nations were not part of this territory, they should all be russians, so well at least as long as russia exists in the form in which it exists, it exists in the form of a gin, actually, for several centuries. i even well, at first there during the reign of yeltsin, maybe a little bit, it looked like ours as the master

of such a tradition, but i won’t even remember about our beloved and russia, if there were no such thing, there would be no such imperial ambitions. therefore, we need to understand that it is much more necessary to create it, it is not limited to the life of bukin himself . the number of supporters of the russian world in ukraine decreased significantly, and then with the development of the war, it seems to me that the russian world gradually began to simply die and vladimir putin himself began to kill him. do you think that after the current war on the end of this war, when we will win , will there be any supporters of the russian peace left in ukraine, or are they even now, because well, we see some propaganda footage from lysychansk, when the

russian military or kadyrov come in and start showing these women running out of the cellars where they were hiding we have been waiting for you for a long time and something else, that is, is the russian peace in ukraine destroyed, are we now saying goodbye to this russian peace, or are there still people who will continue to tell these propagandist eyes until the end stamps about the fact that it is the ukrainians with a fire truck. they were telling something there. well, i think you saw this video of the shooting there. it was the ukrainians . did they specifically launch it? has the russian peace in ukraine been destroyed, no, it will not be destroyed by this war ? federations in general, the constitution of the russian world, these are very fast-moving processes that are based on emotions and not on necessary reflections, as it should be , uh, well, how did it happen after the destruction of nazism in

europe, when there was historical memory, when told about the concentration camps when they told about the crimes of the nazis and there was a reflection on that what was hitler and what was built in the first regime and in general the fascist state of europe what is happening now in ukraine - this is simply the result of rockets falling on the head well, simply in quotes but nevertheless , it is emotional. this is not an intellectual reflection - it is emotions and they will really disappear in comparison with the reduction of intensive combat operations, and i always point to this i mean chechnya as an example, because pay attention well , the russians simply wiped chechnya from the face of the earth from the fourth year of 1990 to 2005, in fact, but now chechensk young chechens are my generation, or

even the younger generation, they are fighting for the russian federation and they don't even remember if it is even more correct to say that i do not know what the ukrainian war was and what happened there, that is, this memory, this digital, was completely erased by russian propaganda and management, and you should not think that this is today's war, which is going on in ukraine between russia and ukraine, it will radically change the relationship to the russian federation in odesa, in kyiv , in the dnipro, and even in the western regions of silver. there are people who are simply unreasonable in their own essence, and even the drop in accounts is not such an argument, but it is obvious that русский peace, he landed on some good soil, which was nourished for a long time by the same russian propagandists, including pro-russian parties and pro-russian politicians, we saw that they would continue for the last 30 years, we had a whole pool