financing of the state budget and, of course, this discount rate is the decision taken by the national bank to raise the discount rate to 25%. showed that this is absolutely wrong, and i'm sorry, yes, the central bank should not act in relation to others and authorities and participants, but only concentrating on its own issues that it wants to solve, therefore, and the discount rate for today, accordingly, should be at least lowered and thus given another signal for the market is to reduce lending and also force in fact, commercial banks, in the absence of alternatives, finally invest in a domestic state loan bond, because today when you have certificates of deposit at 23%. of course, you will not buy an application for a domestic state loan, and that is why the amount that you mentioned today is uah 126 million. however, it is still in this shortage that we need in the national bank, that

is, there is no alternative to the national bank today due to the prots that they are well, if we talk about the national bank, it was recently involved the leader mr. shevchenko wrote an article for the european pravda and it says that at the start of the war, the mission of printing money looked like a way out of the situation, that is, an extraordinary measure that can be resorted to, but it would be wrong to continue in the same way because it has negative consequences for the economy and says that the cabinet of ministers well, we should not play with this story, ivan. how do you really see the emissions in our country, or have we already broken the firewood for our economy in connection with this and whether it is worth stopping now, in order not to continue this fall. yes, i completely agree with the head of the national bank of

ukraine that it is possible that at the first stage it was necessary to give certain signals that the national bank is doing something to maintain stability. look at our partners who are helping us and as we mentioned before, without this help it is almost impossible for us to be anything but completely impossible to come to this situation. therefore, now it is probably better to really agree to weakening of the exchange rate, that is, because we really need to remember about exporters and other components of the state's activity, and if this period were to come without an additional mouse, how would we, well, according to the question for you, mr. ivan, would we, for example, be able to convince our western partners to block in that is there another way, now let's talk about these tools to close this hole of 100-150 billion every

month, the money is extremely serious and if we convince, in what way can we, i don't know , sell, give as a pledge well, because we understand that when we talk about money, so to speak, a lot of lyrical and pathetic moments recede . - to work with representatives of the same european commission or some other international institutions that could, so to speak , help their governments to manage so that this decision is correct, very, very necessary, of course, and so on since i understand that consultants are already working, i.e. real ones with powers and consultants without powers, these are, so to speak, two big differences , but still, you know, i am not a supporter of

the creation of many bodies, especially now, and therefore really the main argument, no matter how pathetically it sounds, is that we actually defend the security of european countries first of all and we keep the funds that they can. the euro-atlantic community and in particular the united states of america and the fifth article, unfortunately, if we are talking about reality and yes, they do not believe exactly, and we see certain actions that they are doing, so it is true. this is a discussion within the framework of the european union, nevertheless, i would not say that they certain politicians absolutely do not think so, this is what they give us, yes, but they believe that

the fifth article provides them with security, well, 50 is impossible. urgently actually fix this. this is the first position. the second position is that we could radically change the situation if the odesa port was unblocked. we started to sell our ukrainian grain , and then we significantly improved our situation by receiving currency directly into the ukrainian gold and currency reserves. our balance sheet accordingly improved. and there was no such need for currency. i want to remind you that in the previous month, 2.5 billion dollars of gold of currency reserves were sold. that is, this is serious. and now regarding directly cabins, what he is doing is wrong, you look at decisions were made at the beginning of the war, and now the government has not done anything useful for the economy, he is actually now canceling the decisions he made, that is,

in other words, he is giving benefits to importers who are not well, they were accepted incorrectly, i canceled the benefits for importing cars, which also violated our palace, the benefits were canceled , there are full of critical impor, that is, not benefits, but restrictions, in fact, i'm sorry, but we did a lot of this wrong at the beginning of the free although she warned about it now you are gradually correcting the way to radically correct the situation well nothing is being done according to my lessons people and these the situation, they don't think about how to start the economy, they don't think about how to help companies today, only promises, which, i'm sorry, are sometimes completely meaningless, about which startups are now in the amount of 250,000 there are a lot of businesses in the hryvnias that have stopped, which do not need to create new businesses, we need to support

businesses that are currently having problems, they can start up , give jobs, sell their products, including on the european market, sorry. they have some visionaries there who for some reason completely ignore the current situation. this will lead, i replied, if the policy of the national bank, the cabinet of ministers, and the ministry of finance does not change, then i'm sorry, we will lead to the fact that just this month we can have a rate of 40 and a broadcast, respectively 50% each. you are now accumulating serious problems and nothing is being done to prevent them from developing into a negative development of the situation, and that is why today it causes serious concern for me, and in general, our economy. to be in your ear, not how you will share these 1,700 billion dollars, but the dollars that will come to you someday what do

you think about our world now? billions, which do you want to get? i agree with you, mr. nashadovsky, first of all, it is a huge problem when, instead of solving concrete solutions, we are offered visionary plans that will happen somewhere someday, and we still have to hold the economy and society to victory, this is no joke and when i heard that the amount of approximately 100-150 billion, so to speak, in which we are not enough every month, i begin to think extremely hard, ivan, in your opinion, what additional tools should be used for in order to convince the western community, that is, serious instruments are not declarative, not the next lugano, yes, but specific action plans, specific cases, and maybe i don’t know where it is about a large additional

privatization, because you also wouldn’t want to live in a country with a bond future, that is, if we print there for these sums of additional bonds, i do not know who will pay for them in the coming years, at this time, in the conditions of privatization, in general, i do not think that this is a good option, because who will buy enterprises on today in ukraine, that is, now it is unlikely , that is, from what i see, except unfortunately, except here is this hope for support to the fact that lugani lugana plays its role precisely in the context that we constantly keep ukraine in the order of this world because p- certain mass media in ukraine are already talking about ukraine, in fact, it is precisely the presence of such lies that does not allow the world to forget about ukraine, so it is really, first of all, a source, and then further work with our partners in relation to

export possibilities in these conditions in which we exist , i.e. yes. unfortunately, odesa is closed to us, but for example , romania announced yesterday that they built a railway line from ukraine to one of their ports, which will allow us to supply grain to the ports at higher costs. romania and more, guys, no, this was done before this and more or less restore its capabilities a-a in the export plan of the road is it still eh-e certain expert is happening even if we take ukraine's exports to the eu countries for at least five months he is of course 14%. to a large extent this is due to the increase in prices for the leading products of cheese export , nevertheless and the situation is not so traumatic , that is, first of all, we should think about how to renew our export activity in the conditions that exist, due to this, we will receive funds, er, further well, just because of

those the conditions in which we exist, i mean, i don't see privatization as an option yet, that's why it's hard to do something there, eh, our export capabilities are still tied to safe words of the economy and energy, today there was news that the prime minister of romania, nicolai chuka, said that after the commissioning of the greece-bulgaria interconnector on thursday, his country has the opportunity to supply natural gas to moldova and ukraine on about this reports the romanian news portal action 24, in fact, this interconnector will connect the network passing through anatolia and the adriatic, and will also connect to the bro pipeline, thereby ensuring the supply of gas to bulgaria and romania, says chuky at a press conference with the greek prime minister kyriakas and micetakes, and of course we can

ensure the supply of gas to our eastern partners ukraine and the republic of moldova. it looks quite optimistic, but the question of the price is so uh for energy carriers for gas. in particular, i am convinced that sleds need to be prepared in the summer and right now uh let's talk, mr. ilya. what will happen to gas for ukraine and ukrainians this winter, taking into account the fact that romania is supposedly ready to help us, it is ready to help us, but still what it can offer is enough for us and we have the next one pump we have to take time now, but it is only here that it is preparing a serious number of enterprises that worked on gas, here on soda, the destroyed

cities of the country cause concern, what to do with the cities that are currently occupied if they are not in accordance with the replenishment the beginning of the heating season . in this way, calculations should be carried out that i moved, er, to use this or a mechanism to localize illegal power, so that we sign some agreements, and this also applies to destroyed houses, what are the facts in fact falls under our consumption and because there are simply a lot of destroyed but there are e cause that relate so much to the price only technical possibilities if russia supplies gas from the parking lot to the territory of ukraine, then this will greatly reduce the pressure on the group, reducing the pressure will lead to the fact that we physically we will not be able to provide the

necessary pressure on ours in the east, and this is a serious parking lot, and others are approaching in the east, they will , in fact, will not be able to get gas to the full extent, despite the fact that there will be gas, but the pressure is here necessary. i don't know how to solve this issue in order to make the appropriate fuses that we see that all the contacts are completely broken, all the requirements that russia has, she did not fulfill them, so again, instead of working on this, we are working on issues of energy security there are houses in lugano and we control our issue specifically for the long term. i believe that i am wrong, it is necessary to develop a gas residence plan for the enterprise accordingly, to determine how to cook with gas for yourself, it should be the first

even some will need to be stopped in order to knock them out of the balance that exists today , develop the possibility of heat consumption, recalculation of sources, for example, coal, it is also possible for some enterprises or our experts to warn people that it is possible in some regions of ukraine heat your tickets with electric heaters and so on, that is, these challenges must be resolved and the program should be relaxed accordingly, and the worst development of culture is thank you thank you mr. nezgodovsky for this serious warning . at the same time, our participants on the air, energy experts, also hinted that we may have to

heat homes with peat. eastern cities, in particular kharkiv itself, he may simply find himself in a colossal, colossal dangerous situation, and this may happen in the fall because, well, the enemy is mean, but not stupid, sir ivan here, i agree that the enemy will do everything possible from him to further worsen our situation, the only thing that i want to return to romania, i perceive this statement more as a political one than a real one will solve the needs of the biography, but it is also necessary why because if we let's recall the history of the relations between moldova and gazprom. it was through gazprom that such significant pressure was exerted on it by the russian federation regarding the fact that there was no joining the sanctions, and the moldovans allegedly said that after receiving the status

the members of the candidate are for it to join the sun and immediately through gazprom they also said that in heaven in this case they will stop providing gas to this country, that is, in fact, romania says that if gazprom stops giving gas to it, here is an alternative option for you, that is, at least such options exist , that is regarding ukraine, i really hope that you are already working on the truth of how to survive this winter, that is, that there is preparation for, first of all, those cities in the east of ukraine and the infrastructure in which it has suffered, so far it is difficult to say to what extent it will be successful but nevertheless, i hope, i hope you hope in general, we have a tradition but nevertheless, i hope that everything will not be as bad as it seems even today well, i say well, as our american friends say, unfortunately, hope is not a plan of action thank you very much, mr. ilya ne schadovskyi - director of the institute of socio-economic transformation and ivan uz

, chief consultant of the institute of strategic studies, worked live on the espresso channel's information and analytical marathon 10 hours 47 minutes, we are moving on in fact, a very related topic to the topic of fuel in ukraine and the price of fuel . dmytro lyushkin, the director of the prim group, manages four networks of gas stations in our country and is well aware of the situation on the ukrainian market, and not only now. we congratulate you. glory to ukraine, mr. dmytro, you are with us. there are probably some problems with the contact. well, it should be noted that the price of fuel is less . that what is observed on e-e numbers is on those boards

that there is oil at gas stations is a little more optimistic, everything seems to have become more optimistic now, but i just wanted to tell myself that you are almost an ideal person, that is, you walk with your feet, you don't like to drive, and my son is not very economical well, so-and-so, you probably like the cold. that is why i asked previous experts about gas for us already this winter well, but now there is firewood and dmytro lyolushkin, director of the prime company group, is in touch with us dmytro, we congratulate you glory to ukraine well, please tell me, can we say that we already in fact, the peak load, the peak fuel prices in our country have passed, taking into account the fact that they have supposedly decreased somewhat now, well , at least for some types of fuel, for sure. yes, i believe that the crisis is already the main peak for the past, and we are expecting some more price reductions. we are already more

focused on world prices, there is no longer this sensational markup, we already have some er, we already have price regulation understood, so i think that everything is almost good, the request of ukraine already, well, the west, we will already burn ukraine, final in the east and in the north, more a little well, something is dry, but we are already moving in the right direction, mr. dmytro, one of our editors asked you to ask about the 92nd, what will happen to it, when will it appear and will it appear at all, i believe that the real 92nd will no longer appear. uh, 95th in the columns of the 92nd, you understand, the gas station has certain technical problems. you want to quickly change columns

and price tags, uh, there is no 92nd in europe, it is only the 95th gasoline, it is only the 95th that is imported, there is no other. until the own production in ukraine begins to develop in 1992 there won't be a real one, so we're getting used to the fact that only the 95th is us in principle. well, i think it's good, but i wanted to ask you. i just don't know all the specifics and intricacies of production, and mini-refinery plants are some such plants with small capacities, and i have them in the middle of nowhere. within the borders of our state, it is generally possible , yes, it is, it is now allowed by the law. if before they were almost outlawed, now they are in the legal

field. produce something uh similar to 92 or even worse, well, you understand. if you asked me about the 92nd, i told you frankly that it was not brought from europe and not produced in ukraine. what will be produced in ukraine? the mini-tp is not the 92nd. is it something? it is not clear, so we must understand that in ukraine we will only have the 95th a 95 and it is not clear that but tell me about it, it is not known what well, we understand, yes, at one time, they used chemicals, there were some additives, gorilla engines, well , it is not at all known what, well it is about some such marginal phenomena and maybe somewhere on the track some kind of pirate gas station well, i don't know now how widespread this business is, but tell me about it, it is unknown what they can produce in some places, what

we will now produce is somewhat more difficult than it was before. something is clear, it’s more complicated, it’s not there now, it’s that it used to be imported from the sea with naphtha from belarusian refineries , er, now these additives are not available, so it will still be produced under even more brutal conditions, so it is not known what will burn the engines even er, faster than it was before, so i highly recommend all car owners to be more careful with their fuel suppliers, because now it will be a bigger issue, and i congratulate all owners , they will have more work, so you can see how much joy everyone has - and everyone, but what i mean is the regime

to understand that now it will be m-m or a-95 european or it is not known what will be very hard to kill in the car of the average stupid car owner, so to speak, to protect himself from the fact that he can pour on some the gas station does not know what well, there should be some control mechanisms, i don't really believe in some of those gasoline commissioners. well, it 's just possible that there are some guidelines for people, some beacons, beacons - you understand the actual trademark when when the company invests a lot of money in its trademark. it works on e-e rebranding she invests hers, she will not exchange for this one there 10-20-30 or hryvnia, uh, she evaluates the difference in fuel and if, well, it is poured into barrels somewhere

, then well, the game can create these candles, you understand, that's why i'm mine recommendations choose the right gas station network that you have trusted for several years now, don't experiment now, now, now, it won't be. it 's worth it. only now should you understand that only the value of the trademark, the value of the reputation is, well, it's mine, what kind of guarantee is it, because you ask me something let's see what will happen to car gas in the car model, it will be okay if oil will cost less , together it will cost less, if oil will cost more, then gas will cost adults it will go on the market for a year at world prices, so i believe that everything will be fine with it and

it is there, it is there and it will be... tell me, please , mr. dmitry, we understand that the price of fuel is included in the cost of everything that is produced in our country and everywhere. in fact, the fact that now the fuel will become a little cheaper in price than, for example, during the sowing period, so because it seems to me that the most peak prices were at that time, can we observe such a pleasant chain the effect of some reduction in e-e prices for all goods in our country, understand our fuel and endless ads on olx there and 100 hryvnias was a breeze, it could still be. on price fluctuations on gas station shelves, this is oil. well, there are also other accounts that you

gave. they come from that. if oil becomes cheaper , our prices will fall. if oil is more expensive, our prices will rise, and it will be, uh, while it is a fixed exchange rate. well, if let go it will happen well, let's also touch on the currency factor, which now, as you can see, is storming there too, not in a childish way. and i would like to remind you that, among the european leaders , the united states also joined this initiative, there is a competition in some way, well , that's all - to regulate the issue of oil prices in the world , it is still unclear how they will do it, through what mechanisms they will implement it, e.e. opec is hardly the structure that could help in this situation, but less than that - $40-60 per barrel this is what we can supposedly talk about now if

they will come up with how to implement it, well, how do they have two tools, a good word and systems, hymers, you understand, with the help of such tools, it is possible to regulate not only oil prices, but i think that in general they will collapse the russian economy. prospects, yes, about world oil prices, i think that mmm biden, the usa, they are very interested in him, reduced car prices, this is already a political issue, how to put pressure on saudi arabia, how to put pressure on opec, he recently died there the head of the openka and there will be elections for a new head and that is clear, the same is also a big question for well, there are great opportunities for lowering the oil assessment in the political plane. i believe that

the states have great means to influence prices, they also have a large production, they are the largest producers . they have strategic reserves. they have a dollar that they control and it is also such a big bank that can equip any country. what will there be something against that ? they probably increased the prices. the main thing is that they reassured us that we will not take out loans for the purchase of electric scooters. in case of something, the situation will stabilize a little. dmytro levokkin - director of the prime company group. our journalists and read important information about how they felt that

a jug might break between us and canada, taking into account the fact that canada plans to return the gas turbine for the nord stream gas pipeline. and reuters, the canadian authorities allegedly made such a decision at the request of germany. and i note that if canada decides on an exception to the sanctions regime regarding the supply of turbines for the northstream gas pipeline, ukraine will turn to its allies in europe, which opposes the transfer of gazprom turbines to canada for the supply of natural gas to germany since such a step contradicts the sanctions against russia, interesting yes, very important information well, but now