i have almost no doubts about this, and the turbine, even for an important gas pipeline, it does not play any decisive, one hundred percent decisive role. another event of yesterday, the preparatory summit of the g20 took place in indonesia, uh, sergey lavrov left it earlier than planned. well, because it is unpleasant to be uh- is a person to whom it is disgusting to even get close to him, they refused to take a picture with him did not take place in the usual format of the previous such evening, which happens almost always. uh, 19 ministers of foreign affairs, it turns out, called on, uh, russia. well, somehow, it is more adequate to treat the world and ukraine in general, not to deny our sovereignty, and i was especially interested in the statement of anthony linkin, in particular, who said that ukraine is not your country, get out of its ports, unlock the

grain. what you are doing so, mr. yevgeny, what was the meeting of the g20 about, in your opinion, and the most important thing? well, this was a preparatory summit , so you can imagine that in november, putin will appear in indonesia, and i will remind you that on this the summit is one of the areas that i understand ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi is invited to. i think that the presence of both vladimir putin and volodymyr zelenskyi in mid-november will depend on the situation at the front, first of all, that is, a ticket for both presidents, yes or not otherwise, our defenders will prescribe it. this is absolutely reality. and what happened to lavrov, well , you know, this is an illustration of the distribution of roles in the russian establishment. putin bullies and replenishes the program, and lavrov is all for it as a diplomat, uh, he

forced to bear responsibility and well, he talked with his chinese turkish colleague there, that is, it cannot be said that he just drove the plane to indonesia, no, but in any case, it is uh well, it is not a defeat of russian diplomacy, that is, they, if we are already talking about south-east asia, that is, russia is more and more like a post-surinamese frog that puffs up in order to scare the enemy and takes in air but sometimes it can get over the excess and it just peels off its back from the holes he releases these disgusting babies of his. well, this is what it looks like. and actually creating his enclaves around the world. well, because the disgusting russian questionnaires are already scattered all over the world, frogs. i wanted another question about the pope. he can still

come to ukraine. and it can happen already in in august, the secretary of the affairs of the holy see for relations with state international organizations, archbishop paul richard gallagher, informed vatican news that preparations for the trip to kyiv will begin after the visit to canada, this is a quote and it is not excluded that pope francis will go to ukraine already in august, galyhir said, according to pope pereko, because his visit to ukraine can have positive results. he said that he would go to ukraine, but he always expressed his willingness to visit moscow and meet with the russian authorities , gelger added, while he noted that the trip to kyiv may take place after returning from canada, where will francis stay during the last week of july, but does not rule out that the visit may take place in ukraine already in august. and here is another interesting statement regarding relations with moscow regarding contacts with the archbishop obratger said that our contacts with russia during this period are more of an institutional nature through the apostolic nuncio in moscow through the

russian ambassador here at the holy see, the positive is that there are no more direct or personal contacts, that is , there are no contacts now, but we can also come to moscow in parallel with kyiv. well, it's me perhaps this is how i understood the policy of the papal throne, vladimir, how flexible it is in the issue of the ukrainian-russian conflict, please, judging by the fact that the pope of rome has stated in recent months with as for the reason for the war, i understand that a lot depends on who is in his environment and who is putting some things in his ears and in his head and soul, that's why there is a certain group of people who ah put some frankly pro-russian versions. well, there are versions of events there interpretation of events, but uh, we must understand that the pope thinks that this is his mission. yes

, it is clear that he is above the world, above politicians, he deals with more than just the politics of the leaders of the states. that is, this is something that concerns not so much rulers as people all over the world that's why such an interpretation is christian. and of course the pope tries to be a bridge to many issues, difficult situations in the world, even here. look at the history of the middle east, a bridge between muslims and christians in the middle east. yes , this pope has done many things for which he can be considered a righteous pope or will he go to moscow, there is still a huge question, for now, you know, these are very hypothetical things, rather, it is a statement about some possibility that may not happen because there are certain risks for a visit to ukraine, but i do not

i rule out that he can come to ukraine approximately to the savior, this was an important symbolic gesture of support from the fact that you said that it is no longer happening to the previous communication in the previous format, but there is still a purely dry institutional format, this format means that this is the meaning of the poem, the position of the papal throne is changing in favor of ukraine, that is, in a context that is beneficial for us, regarding the visit to the summit of the g20. by the way , the pope is not afraid to travel around the world be afraid, remember the caspian themselves, behind which they were sitting. yes, there is such a table as the caspian sea with an error of one or two meters, everyone could sit on the shore, everything bay is telling something, yes, yes,

plus, look at another interesting moment, when what is there, the pope of rome, in the pope-mobiles compared to putin, when he arrived in turkmenistan, there were no meeting people at all, that is, what is proper and decent for a meeting of other high-ranking leaders of leaders. putin refused this. the kremlin administration insisted, and that is why he is afraid of an assassination attempt he is afraid that he will be poisoned. he is afraid that he will get sick, so i think he will not have a table like the pacific ocean in size. he will have to be with a crowd of people and he will most likely not go there , especially after that to the march that was arranged at the level to the minister, when lavrov must have felt that he looked like a person who spoiled the holiday for the organizers. yes, there is such a feeling of such discomfort, you know. well, when he

found himself in a situation where a person is like a bum who stinks, everyone turns away. yes, they move on. i found myself in approximately the same situation, and the lavra will therefore be very good. if putin comes . well, putin will speak. maybe because of that connection, the video, yes. but again, from the fact that he was talking in front of those people, i have the impression that he is going crazy. he is nervous. he has been nervous for two weeks. before, he did not show emotion in public space, and now his face is red and he tells all these deputies and the whole of russia the correct interpretation of what is happening with the war. i think that putin is already being

bombarded with more questions. and what about the war, what about the sanctions, and when he says that some indicators in the regions are wrong, he is told that the sanctions are the war, and i understand that, is already starting to annoy putin, including him, and he decided to give the correct version, so i think that in such a situation, when everyone and everything and the course of the war are starting to annoy him inside russia, i don't think that he can will even speak as a video link yes thank you e thank you our time for conversation is over thank you yevhen magde executive director of the institute of world politics volodymyr volya political scientist-internationalist were in touch with us well , let's continue the mention of the topic and also we let's talk about the new oleg penzi, a non-economist, please contact us. oleg, congratulations, glory to ukraine. we and the previous guests have already managed to touch on one interesting moment in my

opinion. although it is definitely planned to do it through berlin, through germany, they formed together with germany a whole mechanism to circumvent sanctions, but allegedly with a noble purpose in order to knock out the argument that there are some technical problems with the supply of gas to europe from the hands of the russian federation and in the end to force russia to inject just as much as needed, or at least more than now, what is happening with the preparation of europe for the heating period, so for the autumn-winter spring period, and clean up, so to speak, our partners, the challenges that are now uh, they fall to them , well, in reality, everything is ugly and, first of all

, it is ugly because the price of gas is very high the amount of gas pumping through the lawns. at the moment, the russian federation, practically arguing that it is necessary to make major repairs, has taken the first north stream out of operation. well , at least for 20 days. at the moment, the volume of pumping through the turkish stream has been drastically reduced. and much less is pumped today through the gas transportation system of ukraine, actually, the germans are raising alarms today because their level of gas injection into underground gas storages for the heating season is less than 30%. and the russians have officially announced in connection with this case that the turbine of the compressor that

supplies the nord stream, the first nord stream, the first is the power for pumping gas, well, that is, we have to understand the following: there is a pipe, the pressure in the pipe is provided by the compressor, the compressor works on gas and a compressor, this is a huge turbine builds up the pressure in the lawn, yes, they don't produce those compressors themselves, they don't produce those turbines themselves, those turbines are currently produced where go around the world well, in particular, the one that fits to this compressor of the northern stream of the first, it is produced in canada and, as a result, the germans, with the aim of once again ensuring gas injection and ensuring the necessary volumes for the winter period, appealed to canada to sell the actual turbine through germany, despite the imposed sanctions. the shutdown of gazprom to carry out major repairs

at the compressor station of the northern stream, the ukrainians have repeatedly drawn attention to the fact that this is the punishment of the sanctions. in addition, the ukrainian side drew attention to the fact that today the gas transportation system of ukraine is not overloaded seriously enough in reality, about 28 percent of the actual capacity is used , that is, if the russians suddenly had questions about how to provide the germans with gas, they are absolutely unnecessary. the first nord stream can be increased the volume of pumping through the ukrainian gts and thus remove this question well, nevertheless, we see a situation where canada has formally confirmed the request of the german side for the sale of e-e through the germans e-e rav gazprom e turbines for the northern flow of the

first. this is the fact we have today moment sir, only how much once again i did not hear well the percentage of loaded ukrainian gts how much it is possible to increase the pumping in order not to buy this turbine not to change and not to use the nord stream one e-e feed ukrainian gas gas is 150 billion cubic meters per year. ukraine today pumps around 40 billion. that is, this is the capacity for which we receive money until the end of the 24th year. in fact, the volume of pumping is even smaller . if they do not pump anything , they still pay the same for 40 billion m³. i.e., at the moment, the possibility of increasing pumping is extremely large, however, we have the fact that in this way the russians. i understand that it is more. i would say yes, a political decision, this decision

break the unity of sanctions and still extract from the germans the possibility of circumventing sanctions by forcing them to provide gas in the heating season no, everything is clear with the germans, they always cared first and foremost about their energy security , about cheap gas, cheap russian oil not about our military affairs there, and about uh, on our uh, uh, military issues, but what is this for the canadians, i understand the turbine manufacturers, but it’s still the same. ukrainian diaspora which has always had specific, friendly relations with ukraine, here it turns out that it directly begins to violate the same sanctions sanctions norms of providing such high-precision , so to speak, machine-building products to the russians to pump their gas, correctly. these

products are directly subject to sanctions, and under sanctions that were introduced by the canadians themselves, that's why the canadians today sell directly to rav gazprom, they formally sell it to the germans, that is, officially to canada with a request to sell this turbine the government of e-e-e of germany turned to the fact that in the future this turbine will go from germany to gazprom in russia, the canadians definitely know about this, but formally they do not violate the sanctions, that is, formally they sell this turbine to the germans because of their official request and actually this request is already on today's information is that he is approved by the canadian government, well, that is, he wants to support the germans and not to kill the russians, formally

, formally, canada is selling the germans, that is, it is not selling gazprom, it is formally, at the request of the german government, selling the turbine to the germans, so what in the future, the germans will give gazprom its er stew , in my opinion, the whole world knows about it. nevertheless, formally, canada does not violate its sanctions. they rolled back the scheme when they bought the same turbines and sold them to the crimean thermal stations, but in fact they sold them to the russians, allegedly in the kuban and then the siemens turbine ended up in the occupied crimea, yes. yes, there is one more topic that is already connected. the president of kazakhstan, kasym zhemar tokayev, refused to recognize that the

dpr and lpr were some unconscious entities. he argued this at the summit in st. petersburg , and certain dissonances and broken pitchers began. the russian federation actually blocked the access of kazakh oil to the european union a few days after that, and a very strange thing happened there . an accident at a larger autonomous oil field in kazakhstan ten gis and people die a-and then kazakhstan, obviously understanding what it is going to, decides to sell oil bypassing the russian federation a-a, say anything laska kazakhstani oil, well, first of all, it is important to understand what percentage of it, in which niche it is located in the european union, how important it is in general, and secondly, it is possible to somehow evaluate in particular the economic front in this relationship between kazakhstan and the russian federation. well, let's first find out that the main companies that extract oil in kazakhstan are

british companies, that is, the main holders of these deposits are the british, and actually what is happening today is quite serious the pockets of great britain and their private business, therefore it is absolutely logical that now after all those processes well, if we imagine a map with us like this, kazakh oil used to go through uh, actually a part of georgia and then it went there through russia and joined the oil pipelines that went to europe, now it will be a little different, now they will send the oil through azerbaijan and turkey to europe, that is, they found a bypass route of the oil pipelines, it is a little longer, it is a little more difficult , it is through the bottom of the baltic sea, the beams say

of the christ sea, yes, it's longer, it's more difficult, but it absolutely removes the russian federation from the transit country of kazan oil. well, they have solved this issue, now they will do it, actually , the position is quite clear in this situation is the leadership of kazakhstan, and we must be frank that the leadership of kazakhstan is quite clearly supported by the chinese side, that is, at the moment, the position of kazakhstan fully corresponds to the vision of china in this region. so uh, i think that the cossacks are in a tight situation, and in this situation, the russians will lose uh, the ability to control over uh, the pumping of khazar oil into the european union,

nevertheless, we see that uh, energy carriers from the russian federation are actively sold in china and uh, actually is increasing almost several times, for sure we will soon talk about such volumes, uh, this export . at the same time, the interesting position of iran, which signals in general that it is ready to fight for oil grinding, if i am not mistaken, the market is uh, in china with the russian federation, it's in our hands that is, this is a situational alliance. as far as i understand olezhe, well, first of all, there must be a nuclear agreement from the morning, which at the moment is hanging in the air. without it, no one will unblock iranian exports. this is the second time. they are making good use of the war that is happening in ukraine today and there are countries that, because of, let's say, giving

the russian federation the opportunity to bypass sanctions , they are making a lot of money, we talked about oil, well, look, when there was no hot at the stage of the war, the difference between the er brand brand er barrel and the girlsbergel brand amounted to two or three dollars, that is, when i was cornered there, that means a barrel of oil brand brand, well, let's say it cost 100 dollars there, then the jurus at that time was worth somewhere in the order of 97 .98 $. well, that is, the difference was usually two or three dollars, today the difference is $25. i.e. today the difference between yuraus and brent is $25 per barrel uh, who is buying this oil today, they are actively buying oil with such a huge premium. within the problem of providing nato with products

of their country in order to close this problem, the chinese are actively completing the second line of power in siberia to provide gas to their territories, well, that is, when we will once again see with you how today the consumer market is saturated with goods for dry use of the russian federation, which have come under sanctions, we will see a sharp increase in the number of chinese brands. in addition, the chinese automotive industry is actively entering the area from which european brands left automobile companies, that is, the world is very specific, and you and i have to understand that the trade war in quotation marks between the western world and china does not subside for a single day, and we see quite realistically how the chinese today are actively trying to take advantage of this situation, although

let's be honest, those companies that actively export their products from the american to the european market and whose products are protected by licenses and patents do not sell a single unit of the product to the russian federation , because for them the american and european markets is a priority after being of the second level, etc. is not protected by licenses and patents absolutely calmly goes to the russian federation so you can also see the chinese trying to sit on two chairs because the segment of chinese exports to the united states of america and europe is 45 % of total chinese exports russia 4%. well , no one is willing to take risks like that. olezhe, let 's talk about ukraine. 1,600 dollars per cubic meter of gas is the price of gas on the european markets in the summer in july, how much will it cost in the fall composition to predict, but even today, if we

take this price for use in ukraine, the government has already said that the price for the population will not change, but there is also industry, how much will gas for industry cost, for example, in the fall, that is, even 1,600 , it is already there, 56 uah per one cubic meter an incredible price for the ukrainian economy, what should we expect, what price, and how will it affect the final amount of all goods and services in ukraine, so yes, you correctly said $1,600 for 1,000 cubic meters in order to understand what is being done in reality it is necessary to remember the gas balance. before the active phase of the war, until february 24, ukraine consumed somewhere around 28-29 billion m³ of gas for about a year, 20 billion we extracted ourselves. that is , we imported about 9 billion e-e, actually

based on the fact that such a volume of the market, we imported the price on the market for industry, not for household consumers, it was set at the level of import parity in order to fully ensure internal needs gas in gas e-e for the population and for the enterprise of housing and communal services in ukraine somewhere is needed 12-13 billion cubic meters, that is, in reality, we still have 12-13 billion cubic meters left for the needs of industry. well, count eight more billions. what is the problem? the question is that ukrainian gas production produces somewhere around 12-13. in fact, what it produces can theoretically go to the population. and for private utility companies, at the moment of introduction due to military martial law, certain restrictions on the sale of gas by private companies, but it is simply necessary to understand that in the new balance the structure will be somewhat different

, first of all, we have seriously reduced the volume of consumption those large consumers that were in our country, metallurgy has been destroyed in large enough quantities, we do not have chemical enterprises with nitrogen, in my opinion, only the level of nitrogen works, actually, this indicates that the total volume of gas consumption for industrial needs will be sufficiently reduced in our country as well will remain somewhere outside the limits of our own production, well, according to my calculations, somewhere around 2-3 billion will have to be purchased, that is, on a large scale, if we approach these issues normally. i think that ukraine will be able to find funds for that to make gas cheaper for ukrainian industry as well, although we have already heard from naftogaz that they need 290 billion hryvnias in order to provide gas for the heating season

and pump up their underground storages. that is, there is also a question about which prices they are going to buy it from gas production and how will this balance be formed for the winter, although once again i say frankly that the domestic production of gas in ukraine is enough for you to see it clearly, but will these private individuals sell their gas to the market nine thousand hryvnias for 1,000 cubes when the real price will be 56,000 hryvnias, well, during the martial law they will be forced to do this because appropriate restrictions have been imposed, as soon as the war ends, this will be a serious enough question, how do i do this will be resolved during the period of hostilities. i think that those issues will be resolved in a completely different way, but still, how much will the price be? what do you think in the fall for business? i am sure that gas will be cheaper than $1,600

per 1,000 m³, i would tell you that. i am afraid that the price will be approximately the same as it is now, and i think that it will not be cheaper. the only saving grace is that we will simply consume less of this gas physically due to the fact that ukrainian industry is destroyed by 40% today. but from this point of view there will be savings. and yes. unfortunately, gas will not be cheaper. there is only one minute left. the dollar and the euro have almost equalized. it is an interesting situation, and this is not because the dollar has risen to the level of the euro, because the euro is somewhat they lowered themselves. does this mean that the war of the russian federation against ukraine, all the sanctions are really not very pleasant and hit the economy of the european union, true 100%. well, there is still such a moment that the federal reserve system raised the discount rate, which made it more attractive to invest in the dollar, but here the question is different: the

investor, who sits on the world financial market and looks at where to invest money , looks at the war is located on the european continent and there is actually a danger that the war will go on and if we carefully look at how the poles and the baltic countries are reacting today, how they are already forming possible lines of defense with belarus and the russian federation at the extremely serious complex problem with the kalinin rad and blocking the within the limits of transit sanctions, that is, at the moment, the level of tension has risen very strongly and investors are fleeing from european currency to american currency, today there is an active active outflow of investments from europe to america