today there were already several flights to residential areas in ukraine, uh, how to fight with facebook, i don't know how to convey my position to them, i don't know. can we defend our right to have a facebook office in kyiv or somewhere in warsaw that controls our segment of ukrainian i don't know if we can do it, but i guess we all need to sit down and do something about it because there are a lot of these examples when instagram blocks even some innocent posts, only there is a ukrainian flag somewhere appears and youtube is already starting to block. i understand that the russians are now actively working in this direction, well, the famous story about what kind of word azov was blocked all the time, now the situation seems to be a little better, but it still happens that it blocks what i actually wanted to ask you about the

quanda itself because you talked to her and can you please explain to us and tell us about your impressions, how exactly she treats russians, er, because she has experienced such intense hatred with her for a long time, like now, with her. you talked to her several times. years ago with her, as she has this feeling, what she feels, this is actually a person who has been in this topic for a very long time. and i know, i talked two years ago, that's when i was doing the material. last year, i just went to visit her, and literally for two months back i saw her daughter mrs. wanda lives with her daughter and her grandson, uh, and i asked what my mother perceives now this whole situation of a full-scale invasion and my daughter told me very calmly, and because my mother always said that this is an inevitable fact and

she now believes that finally in ukraine nastav it's time to finish what we couldn't finish for a century. yes, i want to say that despite the fact that mrs. wanda is 98 years old, she has full memory, a full mind, she watches the news, follows everything, everything, she understands . i don't know who thinks what they think , but the fact is the fact, this is the fact. christina, thank you very much. oh , for this story. i for your post . we are in direct contact with a journalist colleague whom i will remind you about banalities to facebook for the post about the linked upa. and to you , the hungarian one, because the post did not meet certain standards, er, maybe it was specific, it described

certain brutal scenes, so they are also very acceptable for social networks. even if we are describing ukrainian realities now, well, ah actually, if we talk about youtube in particular, it is ukrainian youtube that has started to develop even more because, despite the war, before the full-scale invasion, the russian content of russian bloggers in ukraine was extremely popular and they put a lot of effort into them, they were really interesting and some content was interestingly made, i wo n't call these bloggers by name, you are all wonderful. i think you know that's why the ukrainian segment of youtube remained like that, you know. no, not to say marginal, but less popular than the russian one since the full-scale invasion, you see, we have such a division, as if there was no war before this, as if there was no russian aggression there in the past centuries

, and after the full-scale invasion, of course, ukrainian bloggers increased. they began to work much more powerfully and ukrainian society itself also began to pay more attention to ukrainian bloggers, it turned out that we have many bloggers who deal with the topic of history , for example. well, there are also many bloggers who expose fakes, tell the truth, remind us what and when they said there, for example, those people whom we now call good russians, what they said there a year or two, five or 10 years ago, about ukraine, about crimea , and about other topics, and here is one of such bloggers, yanina sokolova, who has been working for a long time and understands propaganda in particular, and here she recently recorded

a video, addressed the zuckerberg brand, which is the owner of the facebook corporation the goal and e urged him to review such a concept as hate speech, let's listen. what do you think, is it possible to live in hell tolerantly? please put yourself in our place and try to imagine all this ukrainians peaceful nation i have not been attacked, they want to destroy us only because we do not obey the dictator linear glass we are now on a direct line i am nina greetings hello leno hello ukrainians and no well, look, you recorded the appeal, i absolutely share your point of view, but

you know, there is an opinion that mark zuckerberg knows everything very well. and in fact, he just doesn't want to lose the russians, and that's why this is the situation we have. do you think that's why they say that about this head office facebook youtube in general that everything is controlled from moscow from russia what is the situation exactly? well, technical now, well, first of all, i want to say that since the 18th year, we have been under a huge magnifying glass, eh, from the russian side, eh, from the side of their bot farm of the blocking farm for viewers, i will briefly say literally farm is when for money there are people who are real people who go to work and when sending complaints about this or that resource for money, uh, these people send so many complaints that the facebook algorithm works in the direction of blocking or

in general, the elimination of any channel or facebook page. since the 18th year, we have been in connection with the evening project, which is now on your screens, this is our russian-language propaganda designers who have been in your russian youtube more than once. our goal has been achieved more than once. to such attacks. well, the facebook page from this project is now one step closer to eliminating unblocking and to elimination due to the massive number of complaints from the russians. well, how does it work technically? and they are just complaining about complaints. are they complaints about something? specifically, you can say, for example, your facebook page was closed because of hate speech, we already broke the word moskal. well, we have three topics . incitement between

national so so so unheard of, we in facebook incite international enmity between russians and ukrainians well, this is ridiculous, the second is hate speech and the third is the use of prohibited content with naked bodies, gunfights ago like that, you ask lena and nina. how are you like this, with whom can you use this? and i will answer you, we do not use it. that is, it is purely a bluff. when they block filming, they hide various seoul black seuts - these are people who exist inside facebook or youtube for the same money as russian ones. lobbies of political structures of various european countries , yes, they are in the hall of your video, then you cannot see it, watch it, why does it appear, there is an option of a

security body, which is not there, your neck, for example , and your face, the maximum number of heads in the frame, yes or shooting, er, there are no murder scenes either. that is, these are all tools used by people hired by the russians, but as for facebook, why did i already record this video? well, you understand that ukrainians of our whole world, respectively, are also ours on facebook. well, we were blocked more than once and the evening we already have another disappearance a-a page we are minimally there in general simple on facebook, everything is on youtube and when i once again contact our people who work there to have them look at what the problem actually is and they send me an answer no no i know, there really is no problem. we checked everything, why we blocked your page for a month, i don’t know. that is , maybe there was some kind of fight, i say

nastya at some kind of fight. and they will decide first the managerial emails to the shareholders and then, well, if they decide to make a facebook office in autumn europe, it should be in ukraine or in poland , and the administrators of pages that are in russian they write me answers to some complaints in the language, so that they are not russians, but someone from the representatives of the independent democratic space of the non- engaged, but all these things that were voiced i very much hope that they will reach the leadership, we will not soon find out about this from the americans - it will take quite a long time but i will say in advance that for me it is also about digital transformation, a huge name, they do not stand aside and together with us

they help the ukrainian segment and youtube and facebook, that is, i regularly communicate with him digitally and now we expect, i hope, that this will happen by blocking e-e russian music or minimizing the use of russian music in the most famous applications in the world, such as spotify itunes, so that the russian segment is minimal, and in ukrainian applications, at the moment, it is 50%. revenues from the music of a-ah royal of this and views of the auditions are occupied by russian-language russian content, well, that is, you understand. yes, we also have a war, so we will try to limit the number of changes. we have sent all possible letters. i know that no no no it's just that this music is in these streams and others are actively listening to it, it may still be slightly reduced in volume, but it's still trending. that's the situation. you talked about the

ministry of digital transformation. tell me how you work with it. and is it effective to work with him, how does it generally happen? well, i will say that i have a lot of complaints against the authorities and the cabinet of ministers and individual ministries, but the ministry of digital transformation, as well as the ministry of foreign affairs, is definitely a ministry for which complaints. there are no complaints about them. it's a shame, they work quite effectively. how do we work? we have a group created in one of the messengers of ukrainian bloggers. well, there are twenty-somethings and we agreed with mykhailo fedorov. i met with him more than once and did an interview about what we would be. - but to work together and we have more than one topic for cooperation at the digital level. and we are in constant contact. how do they help? they

write letters from the ministry at the state level. we can all write collectively to sign up or as simple users or owners. content to write a letter, but when the minister of the ministry writes it first, and there are signatures, the algorithm and a lot of arguments at the state level, why is this important for ukraine, it is much more banks wanted to have er with the americans than we are writing this, that is why cooperation with them is active and positive. i am very i am grateful to my compatriot mykhailo fedorov for the fact that in general the ministry works so effectively, well, what we have is a huge plus. i wanted to ask you about your program for the autumn evening. sokolova, here i am trying to repeat your secrets. with such a russian accent yes, the program is intended, it has already been released on youtube for a long time, it is intended specifically for well, as far as i understand, mainly

for the russian audience, so it carries some debunking of fakes for russians, it is first and foremost correct well, not exactly for a towel, i bet 5 kopecks, it is a russian-speaking post-soviet a-a audience all over the world, because our three biggest before it are just er representatives of the russian russian-speaking segment in the united states in kazakhstan in poland in australia. that is, this is the post-soviet space, this segment is not up to such the end of the e-e defined in the society and there are european or non-european people now in your footage my personal youtube channel is completely ukrainian-language, but our evening is just russian-language and we will honestly tell you that we were thinking of reformatting it into ukrainian-language, but we have literally been two weeks we thought about this when when i opened patreon and we have the patrons of yanina sokolova

who gives us the opportunity to exist, i will mention lena so that you understand this project is not financed by anyone, we do not have a single private investor, this project is financed exclusively by viewers, and when i went to patreon to read the next batch of messages in the messenger , they wrote to me how russian -speaking russians in france worked on the french with the help of my video. small, i understand that we still need to work on it a bit and then move exclusively to the ukrainian audience, that is, the numbers at the moment say that we should not stop and work on, and while the war is not i'll finish, i'll say it later, now there will be a lot of talk about the fact that we urgently need to work for the russian audience, allocate a lot

of money for broadcasters who will work for the russians, and urgently give them citizenship so that they work for the russians, and so on. and so on. in fact, taking into account the fact that this is a youtube channel , or should we work for this audience at all? maybe it’s not worth it. in greece, we need to go to france with him. let the russians do whatever they want there. well, the second thing is that secondly, as my friends say, you can influence them. that's right, because as far as i know, the dom channel didn't take it. yes, he didn't take it . just so that people in the occupied territories would watch it, the conversation ended with the fact that i was supposed to meet with the general producer of the dom tv channel, but the meeting never

took place, uh, how long, uh, something is wrong, i am nino with the internet, but we can't hear it, maybe you can hear it now also, now it's a little better now, yes, yes, i think that the second is the second in elena's plan, that we need to create content and allocate state grants for the creation of content in a foreign language, and a single channel that would do this is enough, that is, the house and freedom - this is too much, let freedom do it, and it seems to me that with the money they are making , it was possible to create a fairly high-quality story like deutsche welle or there cnn, and they invited pro-russian cotton-wool faces from the medvedchuk tv channels who discredited

sebe it's been a long time and now their mouths are uh-ing the truth about ukraine, which is no longer perceived like that abroad, believe me, my friends are talking to us and no, you didn't talk, don't watch newsone 112th uh-uh, because there's trash and now these faces are suddenly on the tv channel freedom, well , this is a question for our authorities and for the owners of those tv channels that have now united in this platform regarding citizenship, which i will literally buy 30 seconds from us regarding citizenship as categorically against a-a now er-e issuance of passports to russians good and bad let them come and watch us we will have them accept them here, even communicate with good russians, but citizenship must be earned. at the moment, i believe that none of them have earned it. nino . thank you. i don't know , well, actually, i want to say that the russians

are already coming to us on the freedom channel, that's how they run the program, for example, like me on i amor, such a russian journalist is superfluous, he has already invited dmitriy bykov, a russian writer, to visit him and they are already on the air thinking about whether ukraine should change leo tolstoy's streets to stus's, and it's as if they have any relation to this at all . we'll talk more about hate speech in general, how to interpret it all from the point of view of the media with diana dutsyka with a-a media expert yes, mrs. diana. i congratulate you. good day to everyone, mrs. diana. well, you can tell us what hate speech is, what is it, and what is its relationship .

it's kind of strange to hate russians. hate speech is of different degrees. let's just say that there is direct hate speech when it comes to the destruction of er and calls for the killing of one or another group of people. yes, there is soft hate speech. when er, certain groups are discriminated against. it is clear that now ukraine is in such a situation when the information field is very complex and on the one hand we are observing the language of hostility directed against ukrainians. and finally, the war that russia is waging against ukrainians, it is clear what it causes in people. aggression in response, so to speak. this is a natural reaction, and therefore this situation is quite complicated. if we talk about such, you know, perfectly

legal approaches, it seems to me that every situation when we talk about hate speech in social networks should be considered separately because, for example if we see hate speech where they call for the destruction of ukrainians as a people, i believe that this is something that a person must answer within the framework of international law and that is also part of war crimes because the call, that is, we see it as a russian propaganda and russian russian disinformation has led to the fact that russian society actually hates its neighbor, its neighboring country , its neighboring people, and this leads to the atrocities that we saw in buch and mariupol and in other cities, and that is why this is part of russia 's responsibility and russian harm, and it is important to

remember this. but it is clear that we are faced with the fact that ukrainians are experiencing this terrible tragedy , these atrocities. came here to our land to kill us, they want them to die too, and this is a complicated story because we see that hmm social networks and facebook and other social networks. they very often block such content, so i would say that especially when we say i understand these we understand these people's emotions, but if we are talking about journalists, er, then i would say that journalists should still be responsible for the words they use to describe situations. yes, even if they dominate very large emotions, um, because it's important. we don't

we must assimilate ourselves to the aggressor, we must keep a human face, and therefore we must distinguish these things very clearly, and we must ensure that the aggressor responds within the framework of international international law, that there is an international tribunal and that they bear responsibility for this, and therefore we must still think what words, we talk about this war and about the enemy, the third diana just wanted to ask you, er, what problems do you see in the ukrainian media now with exactly this vocabulary, because a huge number of such in the media community are also different opinions and discussions, for example, that we or we can just always say russians, russians,

can we speak russian there, or muscovites? what kind of lexical problems do you see from your point of view? if they are problems, you know. i am a member of the commission of journalistic ethics, and we considered this issue in the commission. we even have recommendations that can be viewed on the website. they discussed it, they discussed it, since our commission still has 15 members, there are many different opinions, therefore, we came to the conclusion that it is very important in the news in the informational genre . - to avoid this emotional evaluative vocabulary because in the news it is not quite right, but when we are talking about a personal opinion well, someone about the author's columns about blogs so here the person himself decides what vocabulary he chooses but again,

i want to return to what i said on at the beginning, it is still worth thinking about what words we use to denote all these terrible things, because if we want it to be included and used against the russians in international tribunals, then we have to, well, it is right to do it right, call everything by its name and, well, hold back a little emotions, that is, if we say orcs, it means literary characters, it is better to say russians - it is more understandable. correctly, we call things in our news, of course, because we understand that these are not abstract orcs who came here to ukrainian land these are specific people, citizens of russia, they can be of different nationalities and this is how we see it , but they are specific people, they are not just some mythical characters, and therefore it should be called by their

names. what do you think if we are talking about these bans on instagram in general in social networks on youtube, on facebook, and so on by private people for various unacceptable words. what do you think? we have grounds to claim that this is exactly the kremlin's conditional hand, or is it really the case that social networks can't hmm well, they can't adapt to this specific ukrainian the situation, they believe that hate speech is not acceptable, and even if you are currently suffering from russian aggression, please do not speak about it. of course, there are certain algorithms, and here i would say that my colleagues who work more with these algorithms could do better as experts this can be told, for example, from the center for democracy, the rule of law, but i want to say that here , when we talk about bam, he is different . one thing is that the hate speech is so

harsh, when there are calls for murder, it is the same here. any social network will block it, the politicians of most social networks, but if we speak because we are now observing a different picture when a very large number of ukrainians are fighting on social networks for ukrainian content because they promote ukrainian narratives and the ukrainian position on e -e levels convey information to other countries about what is happening in ukraine and it is precisely such cases that are unacceptable, and here we clearly understand that the russian information army is also involved in this, because they are very large amount of money is spent on work in the information field, and that is why i apologize. can you give examples of what

kind of account this could be? propaganda is simply something ukrainian. well, you know, i have had colleagues from other countries from the ukrainian diaspora who are engaged in the promotion of ukrainian cultural policy, and they even had bans or , so to speak, the network in the algorithms reduced there or didn't show these posts that were related to outstanding personalities from ukrainian culture and this is generally unacceptable because it's just that when we spread our narrative about ourselves, well, we have the right to that, but the russians just complain en masse about this post and accordingly, the network reacts to it because they have certain algorithms, if a lot of people complain, they start blocking it, and here in such cases, we must react proactively , and uh, i'm very glad that ukraine has a

contact, for example, with facebook e- and it's not only on the level of the ministry of digital transformation is also at the level of our public organizations , so i would say that if there are such cases, they should be made public and joint efforts should be made so that such and such accounts and such posts were unblocked diana thank you for this story and for the answers to question diana dutsik, a media expert , was with us on the air today we talked about how , in particular, the russians block ukrainian posts on social networks, videos on youtube, how the russians get involved in this, how does the policy of social networks contribute to this who believes that hate speech is unacceptable, but what should we do if we hate russians not

without reason. i believe that people who watch content that does not produce it can fight it very easily. just find some bloggers on youtube and subscribe to them . you will see that a lot of cool and interesting content is being made on very serious topics , just support these bloggers who are really trying to resist this huge system of bots and who are paid a huge amount of russian money for this i have everything friends, see you on monday, uh, our broadcast continues, antin berkovsky studio, the event, have a productive good day, and now on the espresso tv channel, the studio program, the event, we will analyze, of course, the most important issue of the war and various tangential problems, in particular, we will try to measure the psychological and