threatens russia, you know, chatter for idiots , in fact, russia itself is threatened, and again, not too much, russia threatens those countries that it wants to make part of russia, now with regard to our accession, no one has seen this final list. i saw the constitution of the union of soviet socialist republics. this list is there in its entirety . listed from this country where which countries estonia was recognized by the state council of the soviet union itself and the state council of the soviet union itself recognized the fact of the occupation of these countries by the soviet union so that latvia lithuania estonia they are allegedly outside this legal history, namely the soviet union has already disintegrated, it is possible from the point of view of the russian leadership that they are a legal method because the decision of such a corresponding decision of some state council of the ussr on the recognition of the independence of ukraine or georgia does not exist well,

i do not want to analyze this all you know delusion i'm just telling you. of course, they would like to buy latvians for your history too, but they are members of nato and the european union, we are talking about these territories that can be covered with impunity if you and i were now in a country that was already unnamed, we were not on this list either, but the list is simple, what is it here, it is very simple. it is azerbaijan, armenia, georgia, ukraine , the republic of moldova, kazakhstan, kazakhstan , tajikistan, turkmenistan, uzbekistan, and i probably missed one republic, well, you can look at one among them, i missed this union republic . well, it’s you, i’ll convince you. and by the way, you say that no one knows this list of russian proposals on security, which are addressed to nato. it is already clearly written there that nato cannot expand on the territory of the former soviet republics, but nothing else

is written there, it is written that it does not exist , everything is expanding in general, and then it is written that ukraine, that nato must give guarantees not to expand its jurisdiction on the territory of ukraine, georgia and other former soviet republics, it is not by chance that it is written there. now, from this point it is worth seeing that with our introduction to us, this is a good question well, this is what i am leading to in general in this conversation, you know, we will now talk about belarus, so on july 1, military exercises in by the way, belarus was granted extensions until today, but we can expect that they will continue further. not in order to attack ukraine, but in order to, uh, agree with the kremlin, to break through the suval corridors from belarus to bratsky kaliningrad, and uh, piontkovsky says

that the first thought that came to uh, in putin's head that it is necessary to agree on this with the lukashenkos, that perhaps we are underestimating the latest military plans of hitler and mussolini. perhaps they are going from belarus to the south, not to ukraine, not to lithuania, and to nato. well, one could say that these are fantasies if it were not for the july 7 meeting of the presidents of poland and latvia in the usuv region of lithuania in the isthmus of sivar. so, i apologize to dud, they met at home and actually in this way. according to the polish foreign ministry , they gave a signal to a potential russian or belarusian aggressor in the event of an attack the repulse of the entire north atlantic alliance, so how real is the threat? this is a beautiful version put forward by mr. piontkovsky, but i do not yet see the reality and necessity of doing it all, because it is obvious that belarus will go to capture the

sovat corridor, but this is a real war, a war with nato it sounds unreal, but i will tell you honestly that i visited poland the other day and listened to people there and ordinary people who say that they do not feel safe and they are not sure that if aggression really happens they will be so protected according to the fifth article of the actual charter, listen, let's look at things again realistically if you and i allow that an attack can be carried out on any nato member country and this country will not be protected by the fifth article, so everyone then everyone our conversations that we are having here regarding what security guarantees ukraine has regarding the fact that we will join nato and secure ourselves, they do not make any sense, the truth is that if countries join nato and are not protected, then

the question arises why all this happened in the first place necessary, this means that the democratic world cannot defend itself. well, in principle, this, er, means that this attack, er, the nasuval corridor completely frees the hands of russia, it can act as a factory, so if nothing happens there, then tomorrow the russian troops can enter to the territory of poland where we are supplied with armed sections of us from the supply of any weapons and then calmly get as far as they want to the polish border and then already invade poland, what is the problem if or even well, they do not have resources, you can see what they are up to north donetsk has been going on for two months. so what is it, how much power do they have, but it brings us closer to a real nuclear conflict? well, it must be clearly understood that in a situation where there is a conflict between a nuclear state, a state and a bloc of states that have nuclear weapons in their arms, in any case the use of nuclear weapons becomes absolutely

real at any moment, that is, this is a completely different quality of the conflict, and then it will be possible to say absolutely calmly without any emotions that the beginning of such a conflict will lead to the death of dozens millions of people and the disappearance from the political idea simply from the world map of a certain number of megacities with millions of people because when strategic nuclear missiles will fly to the decision-making center in both eh cases, of course it can happen that the large american cities will also disappear from the world map and big russian cities and uh, what we are discussing now, the war in ukraine will not have any importance at all, you understand , who in 1941 remembered the judges when there were already battles in europe, almost all of france was occupied when german, british cities have already been bombed,

no one is interested. that is, imagine that if there is a next personal corridor, it will be captured, or there is just a war there, and all that happened because it happened here in these places. it was a child's toy . because there will be no one on our territory at this moment, interesting tests will be exchanged nuclear strikes not on our territory, theoretically, putin can test nato countries in this way through lukashenka. i think this is absolutely fantastic i am sure that putin has clear goals and this is all psychological pressure on the west, and by the way, this pressure continued today because maria zakharova said that if a decision is not made quickly on the greek transit knee, russia will make such decisions against lithuania, what will you see, i don't think that it will be military , it will be an attempt at some kind of economic blockade , something else, of course there will be provocations, but it is difficult to imagine that russia in a low situation will dare to open a western complex, because imagine that the

belarusian army is really doing this and if it is then knocked out by the report and the territory and this aggression against belarus from the point of view of russia, russia will protect belarus if it is not, then the question also arises, what is the meaning of this russia, what is the dekabey, what are all these guarantees. imagine when the troops of lithuania and poland is liberating minsk from the occupation regime, and the russians simply say that they are concerned about aggressive actions against it, this is also not interesting, the truth is, because all these regimes will fall like dominoes , we are very interested. why are the russian troops on the territory of belarus, because i think that an attack on the north of our country can happen at any moment, not because this north can be captured, but because it will distract ukro-russian ukrainian efforts to uh-e tactically important for the russians direction, concluding the topic of the eu joining

nato in the near future in finland, sweden, the ex-head of the ukrainian foreign ministry, pavlo klimkin, called it a great precedent, says that ukraine's accession to nato under an accelerated procedure is therefore on 100% possible, however, klimkin speaks precisely after the end of the war and thanks to the closed circle, because the war can last a very long time, and at the same time it can be interrupted by ukraine's entry into nato . do you think this situation will develop, we will fight until russia has enough resources for this war, and if after that they don't take us to donat and we ourselves don't want to retreat to us , it will be the biggest geopolitical mistake for of the union itself and a sentence for ukraine let's say that we must win on our own and after that

ukraine will surely become a full-fledged member of the northern alliance one victory must take place before joining i do not have such confidence i absolutely allow that as mr. chaly said we will be able to liberate our territory and nato will be afraid to take us into its fold, and in two, three or five years, a new war will begin, they will try to conquer the territories that ukraine won back in the first war, an optimistic forecast, but more realistic, again, there may be a lot of forecasts, now we are in a war, the end of which is unknown to anyone, because, again, it is like this, wars of this type continue. exactly until that moment, as long as ukraine is conducting them, there are resources in russia, thanks to the help of china there and others countries of the third and third world, such resources will be enough for a long period if they support us .

russia itself may decide that this long-term conflict in this form is not beneficial for them, something may happen with putin, that is, there may be some other factors that will stop this conflict for a certain time to make it even tougher, exhausting and bloody at a new historical stage. well, how to protect yourself from this to join nato, but if now from your point of view the entry of belarusian troops into the territory of poland is possible instead of the entry of ukraine into nato. consider that there are no cures at all, then cancer is incurable. simply say, we will live in war until one of the states disappears. that's all, and nato must now be ready with butyl drugs with which to treat if nato does not protect nato member countries, the world is doomed to a decade of bloody war in all directions for the exchange of strategic nuclear weapons with strikes on the disappearance from the

map of the world of new york, moscow, paris and london and the fact that we will be just exhibits from the dinosaur museum until about 2040, this museum can already be opened to those who will imitate people well, i still have unexpected aspects aspects in particular the accession of finland, sweden to nato, these, in particular, were discussed by the ex-minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, pavlo klimkin, in this detailed interview for nv, he reminded that the scandinavian countries, together with the usa and canada, are the leaders in arctic research for of new sources of energy resources and what is actually possible since russia thus withdraws from access to artic research, we are reading on the threshold of a new energy revolution where russian means of blackmailing the world and europe in particular will lose their strength, that is, it is important. we are standing on the threshold of some new times, if you are standing on the threshold of an energy revolution, and countries that are not interested in these

analytical revolutions should wage wars to prevent it, this is all logical, absolutely everything, but they have more chances to lose in this way, so let 's let's really talk about the threat from belarus , we see that today the e-media, including the belarusian monitoring group of the belarusian villages, are reporting that a convoy of kamaz vehicles was spotted along the m5 highway from bokuminsk in the direction of bobruisk of the armed forces of russia with the signs ve and we will remind you that earlier this same source reported on the beginning of air training in belarus , russian pilots arrived at five airfields at once and landing training began. to strengthen russia in the war against ukraine here we also see the results of sociology, which were presented this week to the chaos, which indicates that the belarusian society is increasingly condemning russia's war against ukraine and that

belarusians are against this war, but to what extent does this sociology affect lukashenko's decision? i think that nothing should be expected from the foal because lukashenko does not manage his own territory after he fought the protests of 2020, he turned completely into a puppet of moscow, it must be said right away that and the presidential elections of 2020 in belarus were a special operation of the kremlin and were special operations precisely set up to turn belarus into a springboard for an attack on ukraine, of course, when the russians they organized these elections there, their participation in the elections , that is, they were setting up, they could not imagine the scale of the popular protests, just lukashenko, but they really wanted such a destabilization during which lukashenko could understand that the only possibility of preserving power is the support of putin, and he seems to understand this, that is, it all worked out as

he wanted later. that is, you can discuss the details of what happened in 2020 in belarus for a long time, but the beneficiary of this whole story was putin himself, and not the belarusian people it's a great pity and not lukashenko, so if putin succeeds, after all, he pressed lukashenko, the belarusian troops will certainly be able to participate in the new intervention in ukraine, the other problem is that they can not conquer ukraine, they can, as i already said, withdraw certain forces of ukraine, which we would need so much for our defense in donbass to liberate the south so that these forces protect the north. i think that this is the main strategic goal and there is also such a thing as a psychic attack, that's all these arrivals of russians in belarus and this is the landing of these russians after all it would also be better to be in the east now, trying to buy donetsk region or protect kherson region,

if they think that they have to hold all these performances by belarusians, then they are designed only for the obvious spectators of the ukrainian military, or did they understand that they are threatened from the north if not the belarusians themselves, but the russians, because if there is clear information from ukrainian intelligence that the belarusian troops are not going to advance in the near future, this means that we will be calm about the security of these territories kyiv region, zhytomyr region, chernihiv region of western ukraine, okay, but then we didn’t get there, we are some russians who will learn to land, fly from somewhere, you understand, we have to create a sense of threat, we have ukrainians, if we are the russian military, create a sense of threat, obviously, so that there are no attempts to withdraw part of the forces

from the northern directions of ukraine, that's all, that is, you can simply distract the attention of the armed forces of ukraine from their potential to the northern borders, and it can be directly preparation for some more active actions on our territory, let us remind you that the military expert defect express serhiy zgurets said that in order to mobilize the necessary forces for such an invasion by the belarusian army, it would take two or three weeks. so it is not so much at the same time well, we see that the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, is saying that the risk of belarus participating in the war depends on the success of the russian army on the battlefield, and as long as the armed forces of ukraine fight back effectively, there are such chances let's talk about the actual

situation with kazakhstan, because interesting events also took place there this week. let's recall that the president of kazakhstan, kasym zhemar tokaev, said that the country will diversify the supply of oil to the country, in other words, from now on it will transport oil bypassing the russian federation, this was the result of e- a series of actual statements by the authorities of kazakhstan and a series of actions by the russian authorities in relation to this country, let's figure out what is happening in the relations between the two countries and whether putin manages to keep some levers of influence and control within the ugkb well , first of all, it is necessary to understand the simple fact that the kazakh elite should take care not only of putin's interests, but also of the country's social stability, because in

fact these troops of the bakabeyka entered the territory of kazakhstan this winter, they entered because there was an uprising there of a social nature and so on, the results of this uprising were actually the replacement of the real ruler of the country because the first president of ukraine, the sultan, conquered together with his relatives and lost the struggle for power, which is already worth it it's all true, but on the other hand, there is obviously such a moment and it is connected with the fact that kazakhstanis are not satisfied with their lives, kazakhstan is a fairly seriously integrated world economy, more than belarus depends on russian supplies, and if kazakhstan tries to become a sanction window for moscow, this will lead to to irreparable losses for him, and then he may discover that there is no putin. they will help. because putin can do what i say. and if something goes wrong, i will bring in troops again and shoot them all, well, i can i don't want it to be like this once, you know, it worked out, but on the other hand, it might happen. next time, putin

will not succeed. there will be no need for the number of troops. kazakhs will be able to defend themselves more strongly against this introduction of troops. the kazakh security forces can behave differently to the russians. it seems that these months i read that the person who killed the president of afghanistan, fizolona, ​​a soviet paratrooper who i killed together with his family during the soviet invasion of afghanistan in 1979, died so the question is that kozeleni himself invited the soviet troops to afghanistan, but when he invited the soviet troops, he did not think that he would be killed, and kasin already has such historical experience, because he, as a person who studied at the university of moscow international constitutions mutually know exactly how it happens when russian troops enter, one time they respond to your invitation and another time they shoot you, so it is a risk and he wants to get a certain

balance from him, that is, on the one hand, he gets will come to st. petersburg when pros will be allowed to emphasize the internationality of st. petersburg's economic form, on the other hand, when he is asked there in st. petersburg whether he recognizes the dnr and the lnr he says that these are quasi-states well, that's good. yes, he has already come to you, showed you loyalty with respect. and why are you asking him questions, the answers to which you know very well. that 's why he's mad. don't ask him these questions, ask him about economic cooperation россии республики казахстан about the common national project, do you have something to ask in order not to get into trouble? well, if you want to get into trouble, you'll get into trouble. well, that's why this exchange of such badminton boas is the beginning of an economic war, which resembles the beginning of an economic war, although it is clear that kazakhstan along with this will

try to help russia exactly in this plane where it will not be exposed, but if russia will try to compromise and punish it, then it will not help here either, you understand the powerful rear in the kind of china that allows the beautiful marto takayev to make such statements and regarding his support for western sanctions against russia and the non-recognition of puppet kremlin republics established in the occupied territories of ukraine, on the other hand, the position of the kazakh society of china is much greater than the position of the kazan society of russia, china in the majority considers kazakhs to be a greater threat to its own sovereignty than russia, and therefore it is necessary to be careful there, too, because when the government of nazarbayev decided on the possibility the extension of the land lease period by foreigners, what exactly did she mean by the chinese tenants, it almost did not cause a revolution in

kazakhstan, do you understand russian actions have never caused such a reaction from kazakhs . like an elephant in a store, the cashier, martokaev is a typical president of multi-vector politics, but do you remember when we had multi-vector politics during the time of kuchma, russia acted that way, russia did not i like a lot of vector politics, this is what i , by the way, tried to explain to ukrainian politicians in the 90s for two weeks that if you think that the russians really like that you go here and there, then the police is a pendulum back and forth here we will agree and here we will agree then you are right away it is possible for the west it is normal because in the west they understand that there can be a state that wants to have good relations with all its neighbors in the west and in the east there is nothing uncivilized in this, you cannot say oh, this is treacherous politics no, this is just this kind of political existence, that is, because for russia it is a treasonous

policy. well, one way or another, the most important thing for us is that kazakhstan will not support russia in the war against ukraine, and this is already enough for us, the more conflicts in russia with countries that, in her opinion, are her satellites, all the better for ukraine, so i would like us to discuss another top topic of the week, the one that i did not have time to discuss in the first part of our program in great britain just two incredible processes take place days have passed since the head of the british government, boris johnson, announced that he was resigning as the leader of the conservative party, and johnson will remain as prime minister until a new leader is elected. who can be the successors of the next prime minister - the next actual candidates for the

position of prime minister of great britain, there are such notable names for us, and the minister of foreign affairs lystras and actually the minister of defense ben volos, who announced today that he decided not to participate in the election of a new leader of the conservative party after the resignation of boris johnson, but will continue to support ukraine, in particular, in his position as minister of defense . the prime minister, and now the ex-minister of finance of great britain, rishi sunak, has moved to the role of favorite. he announced yesterday his intention to run for the position of the head of the conservative party. well, today the financial times wrote that the ex-ministers of finance call the son a

traitor in the conservative party, they say that in general he is directly involved in stirring up these scandals around the figure of johnson . the deputy head of the ministry of foreign affairs , christopher pincher, who is accused of sexual harassment of men, did johnson know about this or not, there was actually a political discussion, and then it turned out that johnson knew, but he still appointed pincher to write the deputy head of the ministry of foreign affairs in in connection with this, resignations began to take place in the british government, and the first such resignation was actually the resignation of the minister of finance, who is now applying for the post of prime minister, why am i taking all this to italy? well, is there a russian trace here or not? how do you think the parisian became a victim of his own populism, disrespect for the laws, complete

disregard for the rules of political behavior in a civilized society, and the british elite reacted to this, johnson resigned from the post of prime minister when he had no confidence in one's own parliamentary faction in the parliament and in society, what is the necessary russian trail? when a person does not have confidants, where and in principle, because russia knows well how to take out dirty laundry in a timely manner, such as uh, this is social extortion, more often he violated the law of great britain simply the conservatives who are now criticizing him then thought that it was normal, this is a problem of the deep crisis of the conservative party itself, which chose such a summer, of course, we are very pleased that i am afraid johnson is a bright personality who supported ukraine in this struggle with russia. i want to remind you that when donald trump lost the presidential election in the usa, there was also a country that

was in awe of him. i am asking for it to go to israel. donald trump was a great friend of israel, but this does not mean that domestic political actions were correct it's the same the same in principle er the collapse of johnson's fight happened when he won the last means that his government got rid of the majority in the parliament, because in fact the conservative deputies are all majoritarians in general, a majority parliament means that none of the prime ministers experienced such a lack of trust, neither margaret thatcher nor theresa may . by the way, it was johnson who initiated such a bottom of trust which was then also forced to resign from the post of prime minister, so that he was already a political dead man, what's next with johnson, with the support of ukraine from great britain? does it depend on the last name of that in fact, that high-ranking official and that politician who

will become the next prime minister, johnson, is a political corpse , but he became a political corpse when he deceived his compatriots with the idea of ​​brexit . the created breccias there cannot be solved and now every politician who will try to solve these problems will through you in 2.5 in three years i will graduate like jones and it is absolutely obvious god just let it these mistakes did not lead to the disappearance of great britain from the political map of the world, this is also an absolutely real thing now, and with ukraine it will be help to ukraine - this is the position of british society and the british political elite, and the most important thing is to say that this support was artificial respiration for johnson, if it was not of this war, i think that great britain would have had a different head of government a long time ago. now johnson will go down in

history not only as a person with such brutal acts of domestic politics, but as a hero of this opposition to putin and let it remain so from this is absolutely i would say that the respect for this role that he has seen all this time vitaliy portnikov and maria gurska hosted for you this edition of the saturday political club, wait for our program next week, well, now we will transmit our to colleagues ani eva melnyk, a word that will present a fresh news release. that's what they are, it's better time to catch up on the news, the results of today's 136th day of full-scale war, my