the blockade of kaliningrad from the kremenets region, on the other hand, she wants this transit to be used as a conduit for substation goods to enter the european market. what do you think, in principle, if this transit is unblocked, will it not become the president for russia to fight at all ? other compromises for their sanctioned goods in the future, well, we already see that the unblocked transit is, relatively speaking, otherwise less-less hot than the estonian in the norwegian case, where there are russian settlements on the island of spidbergen, which is under the sovereignty of norway and, in principle, also because of the consequence of the decision of the european commission, to which

norway joined, blocked goods, a compromise was found, but this compromise is that the actual delivery of goods is not so what about norwegian transport? it seems to me that a compromise will be found, but this does not mean that it will be a great victory for the russians. will it set a certain precedent ? on the other hand, it was possible to get a turbine that would not have been necessary for the further functioning of the northern flow one. so, after all, quickly in a few weeks, it could be shipped from canada to germany to get permission from canada that this turbine will be returned to germany so that germany in turn could return it to the owners from the northern stream alone and this is a sanctioned product this is of course a sanctioned product but in general a sanctioned war if if well if so take it uh-uh how and how and any any two confrontations e there is very important

act so that your own actions do not harm you more than the enemy. so now germany is interested in receiving russian gas in order to protect itself from possible blackmail by the same russia in more and more unfavorable conditions, so they made concessions, but on the other hand, if there is no there will be no change in policy under this concession, then by and large the russian turbine received back will not change anything. if german policy does not change, it is now saying that russia can, in principle, cut off gas in europe until it is necessary to prepare for this, in particular, the minister of finance of france adrenaly murph e-e spoke and called to prepare for such a variant of the development of events. how likely do you consider it this fall? the more europe is prepared for such a variant of the development of events, the less likely it will be, that is, relatively speaking the russians will see if the gas shutdown will cause certain

difficulties, but most of all, they will have much less incentive to use such a shutdown, they have already seriously undermined their conditional reliability as an energy supplier for their of traditional markets in western europe where they used to say this is where in soviet times and despite everything since soviet times have never been interrupted i don't i think that if the combination of two factors firstly if europe is ready and secondly the actual economic situation in russia itself therefore what is it when they say what when they say that this particular one in russia is still in mukachevo’s hands, or that we should not forget that the sanctions were introduced gradually and now they wanted to gain strength, that is, relatively speaking, will russia be ready to give up any money in the winter it another question, do you understand what is happening between moscow and the sultan, because there are conflicting assessments,

some believe that kazakhstan is really distancing itself from russia, that it has no other way out , given its economic dependence on relations with western countries, and others say that not really. this is just such a cunning game to in the west, they believed in the independence of kazakhstan, which will turn into an illegal sanctions window for moscow, and in order not to be too suspicious of it, such an i would said the illusion of an independent foreign policy, what is happening in reality? what do you think? well, of course , on the one hand, it would be too big to say that i understand exactly what is happening because i do not have full access to information and theoretically the possibility of a scenario, but some do not accept the evidence and in general the very dynamics of the development of the situation, when at first there was a disconnection, e-e supplied kazakh oil through the main route through the sport peck of the russian one, it was found in a very timely manner mine of the second world war, now

a sudden violation of security measures still looks like a real pressure in russia on the one hand, on the other hand, the cossack leadership and after a realistic policy, and we very often believe that his readiness in a critical situation is accepted by the so-called peacekeepers for decabel to maintain power, this is a sign of his specific pro-russianness, the national interests of kazakhstan undoubtedly consist in staying away from russia and reducing its dependence on russia, of course, for objective reasons, kazakhstan cannot to do it is fundamental, but he is trying, he is trying in every way to balance relations, it is quite indicative that by 2021, despite the fact that kazakhstan was a member of the dkb

. i don't think that they seek the fate of lukashenko, who actually has a way out except how do you obey the kremlin? well, on the other hand, it's really strange to invite russian troops to your territory and then play with russia in such a way gru i think that there is nothing strange here, it is a matter of need, that is, by and large, at some point there was a need to ensure stability, for which the russian troops were sold, and on the other hand, this does not mean that you are in the russian troops, it means that we are friends of russia forever in this case, you can mention the eloquent example of historical indonesia, which received huge help from the ussr and then, er, carried out almost a genocide inside

, killing all the communists. but there was a military coup there, as far as i remember in there was a military coup in indonesia. but nevertheless , let's say cases of a very pneumatic approach of other countries to receiving aid from the ussr from the usa and then carrying out the policy that they considered necessary, this is by no means an isolated case. by the way, if you have already mentioned indonesia, too an interesting moment is that the presidents are on edge, on the one hand, they are going to kyiv to invite the president of ukraine to visit the summit of the group of 20, which will be held this fall on the indonesian island of bali, and on the other hand, they are going to moscow and inviting vladimir putin too to become a guest of this themselves although the western leaders one by one call on the president of indonesia, mr. widok, not to do this, and this is the position

. these are countries with many million people with great economic potential, they have serious economic relations with the west and there are no such serious economic relations with moscow, at least if we do not talk about energy carriers without which they could fight and they together with this the impression that they are simply demonstrating to the west their desire to have relations with russia as another proof of their, if you will, geopolitical independence, and thus do not become our allies, unfortunately uh-uh, we can say that you are really right and what is the uh-uh for the country of the so-called of the global south, this is relatively speaking, they rather try to play mediators, not to take sides , relatively speaking, according to the unconditional norms

of the world order, which, as western leaders say, demonstrate their independence, but on the other hand er degree er yes they are not allies but they cannot be said to be allies of russia they try- they rather try to show their own subjectivity we demonstrate our influence from the other side from the other side unprecedented we have a conflict in europe that is happening now armed with a certain peace-making style, and their conditions are shown by representatives of the global level, here, in addition to the already mentioned president of indonesia, we can mention the visit to kyiv and moscow by the president of rozbii, the president of the african union, that is, yes the global south uses this opportunity to demonstrate its subjectivity, but uh, before that, you need to keep this in mind, but be aware that uh, this

is a position of uh, not uh, of a certain neutrality, but it is not a position of support for moscow point one a point two - all the same, moscow's problem is, first of all, access to technologies, which for objective reasons of the global south cannot be added, well, you are talking about a mediation effort. it seems to me that this is not even mediation at all, it is an effort to somehow incline ukraine to some concessions because in fact from the point of view of the representatives of the southern countries, if these concessions often do not happen, then there will be serious economic problems for them. you mentioned the visit of the head of his african union, the president of senegal, to the russian capital. it is obvious that he met with mr. putin himself bearing in mind the problem of hunger in africa, there was a large article that was written when the president of liberia, elin johnson , was saddled and nigeria, the moose-osabanja, is in place, which is actually such a plan of the ukrainian

concessions in russia and the reluctance to see who is the aggressor in this war, and this also says that there, uh, this article was absolutely tellingly titled african victims of the russian war, you understand and here is what is needed so that there are no african victims of the russian war, the russian emphasizes russianwap, what happened in ukraine to russia's concessions, this is a paradox, of course , such a reading is also possible, but again, here, it is unpleasant. i felt much less confident and undermined it all ended faster, on the other hand, objectively, the global south is not satisfied with the existing world order, on the one hand, a lot of

people remember, relatively speaking, the times of the ussr, when the ussr gave some, that is, they perceive russia as some of the entrepreneurs of the ussr which will also engage in such activities, although you already have one. there is no such thing and it cannot be. there are different global sentiments. there are sentiments of rain, which consider the second enemy to be my enemy. it is necessary to carry as much as possible and not only from the west but also from ukraine regulations. by the way, the same negative anti-colonial struggle because in essence what is what is happening here. the direct threat posed by the actions of the russian federation, the problem may be that for the countries of asia and africa, this international order that was established after the

second world war is not something so important that we here in europe all the time repeat the international the right is not the violation of borders. and maybe there it is not so e-e primary to a certain extent to a certain extent yes because in principle conditionally e-e there many states do not think in the category of inviolability of borders or or that is, a-a in the category that conditionally speaking is someone not a neighbor going to threaten me tomorrow? if you can, if there is a violation of international law, they would, judging by the fact that the invasion will not happen, then it is possible, conditionally speaking, economic interests are more important for us. do we want a revision ? one more thing, that is, it really cannot be said that the current world order enjoys full

support in the global south, this is a challenge, a challenge for the west and a challenge for ukraine now, too. we can cope with this challenge, at least when it comes to china, india, that is about indonesia about such countries, i understand that not everyone will be convinced , but there are important players, and it is necessary to divide these countries very much, because the actual position of china, india, indonesia with respect to russia and the relations of these countries between the growth of the country are completely different nature first of all, and in principle, the position of these countries is primarily important. for cheap russian energy carriers, but

at the same time adhere to the regime of western stations , ivan does not transfer western-made equipment, etc., for two reasons, first of all, so as not to put himself under attack, and in addition, in fact russia will be forced to leave its technological space in relation to india, the situation is a little different there in terms of pedagogical autonomy is to some extent the basis of domestic policy, and although on the one hand india seeks real cooperation with the west both for economic reasons and for containment issues, but on the other hand to it very important ties with russia out of two as a certain counterweight to china in eurasia, and secondly, the huge dependence of india in arms in the field of weapons and on the ussr, well, which actually now inherited these dependencies is this situation different, but of course it will be at least from the next decade, it will be important for ensuring the security of india

. revival oleksandr dry congratulations to mr. oleksandr well, since mr. oleksandr was one of the speakers at the conference on the restoration of ukraine in lugano let's talk about it at the beginning, in principle, about how real our prospects for this recovery are, and are we talking about them early when we see that the war continues to mean a lot of destruction. this is an absolutely valid question and it is e write and the answer to it is such that, first of all, significant elements of what is called recovery must be moving now. that is, it is not even so much

recovery in the classical sense as e-e creation of proper prerequisites for the victory of such infrastructure, for example, we need to significantly expand the logistics capabilities on our western borders already now without waiting for the end of the war, because this affects how it will be completed, we need to develop our transport arteries, protect them, modernize them wherever they are, where they are and now they are working for victory, this can be called restoration but in fact it is the development of the country and the development of critical capabilities that even at the end of the war, but we must also talk about the longer perspective and definitely if it is already starting. and this process of restoring the country will continue for years and even decades.

now they are already saying that this is a huge international project for at least a decade, a plan that will probably be commensurate with the recovery of western europe after the second world war, so it is obvious that planning its main the principles are needed right now so that it is clear to everyone exactly what rules this recovery will be built on and who i am as its participants. not very ready now, wants to wait and see how events will develop, who can be called such a main enthusiast of the ukraine platform , that is, the restoration of ukraine, in which they will play

a leading role, that is, there is no doubt that for the european union, the task of restoring ukraine, which is prescribed by the logic of ukraine's preparation for membership in the european union and this course has already officially started, so for the european union it will be a strategic opportunity to show itself, and actually this is a way for the european union to move ukraine towards of full membership, therefore, the european union is number one. i would say now. and then i would name the united states , which is also absolutely ready for and international financial institutions are different, such as the european bank for reconstruction and development, the international monetary fund and many other similar institutions, in principle, what is possible to call the

most important thing, these strategies themselves, what should be rebuilt with western money, objects or, if you want , institutions, infrastructure. talks about the so-called chordal things. yes, they are the most valuable and they are the most obviously damaged and will have to be restored. that is, it is about the structure and housing, about the infrastructure of transport, medical , social infrastructure, any. of a new e-e system that will be in accordance with those principles, let's say buildings that are characteristic of the european union, these are environmental standards, where are

the standards, comfort standards, and definitely this is already the creation of a certain new quality, and not just the restoration of what was destroyed in the same way as it existed before, in addition, i would also note the creation or strengthening of ukrainian governance institutions in order to help ukraine really form a strong and effective viable model of public administration on at all levels, from central to local to self-government of local communities, this is also a part of recovery. and what is the role of the renaissance fund in this process? please tell us about the dialogue

regarding the formation of approaches to e-e to recovery in particular, our experts took part in the development of the vision ukraine 23:30 is a document whose draft was recently made public for public discussion and a civil society manifesto the so-called luhansk declaration there is a donor who is working on the restoration of the infrastructure, because this is not about the budgets that we own, but what about your initiative to help independent media , they came up with such an initiative, it has already been launched and what it means in practice at the beginning of the war, our foundation, the global foundation

of the open society, anticipates that ukraine is facing unprecedented challenges, created an additional financial instrument ukraine demokrasypan ukrainian democratic fund with additional funding of 25 million dollars and within the framework of this instrument was provided in particular critical support for ukrainian independent media because there was an awareness that the fall of the advertising market would lead to a lot of trouble many of our media are on the brink of bankruptcy, and uh, that’s how it happened. now the media is in an extremely difficult financial situation, and that’s why actually one of the parts of this project of the ukrainian democratic fund, part of which is managed by the international renaissance fund, is the support of uh,

ukrainian media, we have already provided uh well, more than 10 media people have received support. this, of course, does not solve fundamental problems. as a rule, this is support for what is called pants support, but in a certain period, it is really anti-crisis support for a short period. we noticed some fatigue from ukraine in the western partners and from this war, because you understand that when it happens in the first weeks that it seems like it is about to end, then a month passes, the second, the third, the fourth, a habit of war appears, and it is a completely different habit than that of ukraine itself and to the country if there was no war, if we are serious, they swept up well. and probably something from previous

periods in 14-15 years. as a rule, they get more tired of them today. i don't see fatigue yet, but i rather see the word you lived habit, yes, this is what makes war routine in fifth place. and not such a sharp reaction to news of war. and actually, this is it. it 's not fatigue yet. but it's already a habit. i observe it in some western audiences, but i would say that these are inevitable things, er, no phenomenon. even something as critical as a war cannot, if it does not directly affect you, then it will not be able to concentrate attention for too long that in itself is very important here

to work with our e-e and our media and our activists and those who carry out their own informing of lawyers, international visits, all the things that fill international communications, so that this interest does not fade away and that at least those audiences on which the formation of public opinion depends, on which the influence on politics depends, so that they knew what was happening all the time so that they saw the logic in those messages and those expectations that we have from them and then maybe this fatigue factor or habit factor will not be destructive like that but by itself it is clear that this can be avoided, well, it is obvious that russia is still doing everything to divert attention to the ukrainian war with some new crises, this is also obviously happening, the question is how to

react to it well, objectively, many events are happening, you understand, and here, again, all our the previous history also shows that the process shows that new events and new crises in a certain way cover the crisis to which we have already begun to get used to. well, after all, oleksandr, war is not a crisis, it’s true yes, absolutely, but we have the right to remind you of this that this famine will be perceived as no less a problem, we have to understand it, but the western countries are ready for the fact that russia can do such crises, you know, if there is a clear supernatural connection between the actions of russia and the occurrence of famine, then it is definitely it will continue to the detriment of russia, because if you

understand the war, the war is more understandable here, yes , the rake bombs attacked. if somewhere they start to starve, starve in africa, taking into account the efforts of the russian propaganda machine, the actual style of thinking of people, their stereotypes, it is not always automatically, we will have the awareness of the world that this is also the result of purely russian and therefore it is necessary to actively work on this, in particular, ukrainian activists actually, those who carry out our international communication, both state and non-state, it is very possible to communicate with this global cock we hardly ever had a priority, and we also need to talk to them, because the russians

are there and they are there all the time. revival and we talked about what is happening with the international support of ukraine, this was the last interlocutor in the entire period of our broadcast at this hour, and now it is time for me to pass on the word of iryna koval, who will introduce you to the news release, but i want to remind you that after this news and we will talk with our next interlocutor we will have a traditional interactive at the end of the next hour somewhere at 18:40 18:45 and in order for this interactive to take place i would like to remind you that you should put your you can ask them questions on our facebook broadcast, on our facebook page, you can

ask them on my own page on the social network, you can also ask questions on our youtube broadcast on the most important ones, i will try to answer them already during this interactive session. so, we are waiting for your questions, dear viewers. now i can now give the floor to iryna koval for the presentation of the next edition of the news which will take place literally in a few seconds . news time on the espresso tv channel greetings in the studio of iryna koval another provocation at the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant in the temporarily occupied energodar russian military forced the leadership of silomen and