this process will begin before the collapse of the russian empire, which can be terrible with civil wars with various bloody events. actually, to some extent, we now have an ideal situation when a significant number of people for whom ukraine was not -e well, let's say that the native mother who wanted to leave somewhere to find a place for herself abroad, they got such an opportunity to a certain extent, now everyone who wants well, to a large extent, let's say so, can leave to find a place for herself all over the world and certainly in this case me it seems that when the process of restoration of the ukrainian state will begin, there is a marshall plan and so on and so on. it will take a lot of ukrainian people who will raise their ukraine and restore it. it

seems to me that everything here is in this very process. well, it is important that all these people unite around this main the idea of ​​restoring one's homeland, and there we will decide what identities no one presents to you. i know that there are people in my family who have a pro-russian identity, who have their own approaches to all of this. well, of course, this is me i think the process is not simple, as it can be here, you won’t have to force anyone. it seems to me that it’s obvious, but since last year, how interested are people in restoring something when they don’t see any sentiment towards the destroyed territory that needs to be restored, while you, as you rightly say, in 50 km of territory, which is unnecessary to restore, is not destroyed and does not have any risks for the future, and i simply do not see

any other argument here. apart from this argument, the identity of the people who restored let's say israel, they only had identity arguments in their heads, why did they die for it and build something there in the desert, and there was a huge number of people, millions of people of jewish origin even after the second world war, who absolutely did not understand why they had to go to this desert to restore something there and suffer excuse me when you can calmly find your happiness in the united states there er canada i don't know european countries do you remember by the way, a great example mr. vladyslav when there was a jewish emigration from the soviet union and allowed to go to the united states and to israel, the vast majority of people were emigrants, they went to the united states to european countries, and a smaller number of people went to israel, and this number increased only after the people were actually there in the early 90s x years there was no choice either they remain in this soviet union where they did not want to stay or they emigrate to the state of israel which then there was such a huge wave of this

migration to israel but in soviet times it was not there was no, but there was a big wave of emigration to the united states, that is, here is a great example for you , and no one said that i will go there, i am a jew, i will go from ukraine or from russia, and i will rebuild israel. apply this tool in relation to ukraine, then we can get disappointment with you instead of nadia. well, you know. we have already had so many disappointments with our country that i already think that it is unlikely that one more thing can finally cut us down. yes, yes, in short, the last time if i'm not mistaken, i met you just when we were in israel, it seems like with a mozkovych, my friends went somewhere and talked about israel there, and now there are a lot of people living in israel who have not integrated into their israeli

identity, they live in their to such a russian ghetto, russian culture, and at the same time they feel at ease, like me, now a huge number of israelis have appeared who have restored their ukrainian roots and have a very powerful ukrainian there, now, the contemporaries of the freedmen have pro-ukrainian sentiments and support ukraine, and even there there is such an established society of friends of ukraine, which each holds some kind of conference for us. so, it is definitely identity. but at least now in ukraine, well, more or less, this process is stabilized to the creation of a ukrainian

identity after all, and not some loyalist pro-russian one, although they definitely are. maybe i calculated that according to the votes of different who voted for ukraine and who were in the sociological survey regarding well, let's say the upa relative to the holodomor relative to nato relative to the european choice and there are many such e-e ukrainian language as the state well, about 25 percent in ukraine there were people who did not like all of this and it was clear that people it's with the identity of those parties in the regions and those pro-russian parties that we had. well, actually speaking, it's normal, it's like that in all countries, somewhere 20-25% have their own, some other identity, something they imagine for themselves there

and her if there is an opportunity they live peacefully today, you know how many voted for the bolsheviks in the elections to the constituent assembly of the russian state in 1917 in ukraine, not at all throughout the state, i know that in ukraine they voted, if not mistaken, six or seven percent, in general, in ukraine it is true or throughout the russian state, 25% voted. 24 this is what it is. it is clear. well, it is clear because they did not work there, they were not neiv peasants, they worked. the night was theirs i remember well definitely it's just us when you say that these people live peacefully i'm just wait wait they don't live peacefully very often so what's the problem with them really we all are unfortunately

calm-calmly now we live so what's that how can you live here peacefully during the war. in fact, i thought that somehow it was like this during the war for scientists, uh, it will be like this, you know, when the guns are talking, that's why the muses are silent uh, well, uh, for historians, for political scientists, for humanitarians it is now an extremely huge job to start from the terminology of us, the definitions of war, what kind of war is it, of ideology, what is it, what is it, let's say putinism or racism, and this is actually the liberation from this colonialism. these are extremely complex theoretical questions, which were not so before, especially people turned to them, and now there are round table conferences

, foreigners are constantly working, and we live in such a constantly restless world scientifically. i want to ask you about this meeting of the priests of the ukrainian orthodox church or of the orthodox church of ukraine, which was held by the other day, hmm. regarding this meeting, there were many such comments about the dialog that began, finally the conversation began, and it was with the participation of the state, there was the minister of cultural information, but the ukrainian orthodox church was very disapproving of this conversation, there was no support at a high level she did not get the impression that there is a real possibility of a dialogue that really led to some serious changes and to the creation of a single local orthodox church of ukraine, she still looks the same fmmer just like before the war i absolutely support you i think that this is such a stillborn child if at all

you can call it a child all these smiles and what a skillful meeting it is and everything is really unconditional this well and how two different worlds met and they unconditionally well, it seems to me that the smell is the west, the east is the east. together, i don't see the prospect of any such association here, it seems to me that the russian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is the russian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate. and they want to somehow show that they are, well, some kind of process. they are somehow trying to find some kind of middle ground. in fact, i think they absolutely absolutely do not want any unification and it will not

happen in the near future, of course, on the other hand , priests at such an unsettled level may sincerely want some understanding is not a question of individual people, i don't understand that this is a problem, not a misunderstanding , the institutions are moving, and they are asking their priests that if we don't move to the ukrainian church, maybe you need to go somewhere to move, and let's say there are tens of hundreds of such cases, but this process has slowed down. it does not continue, so we can still think that, well, the average people who are used to this church and the peculiarities, they simply do not want to change this

moscow church to a greek one, and here the processes already mental are so deep and that's why well, what can you say here, i just don't think that in ukraine, the church has such a powerful influence. of course, from a cultural point of view, it is very important if such a single local church was created. and everyone and definitely supported it. it was b is very important, but unfortunately, unfortunately, this process is still only at the initial stage, if you can even talk about its stage of development and what it will look like. then the processes in the church will be tightened. it

seems to me that and thank you. now there are many people who are simply waiting for how this will all end. they think like the moscow hierarchies, they are also waiting for how this war will end. thank you, mr. vladislav historian doctor of political science and vladyslav hrynevych was on our air and now we are moving to our interactive and there are two questions which in principle i am not very interested in answering but i understand that everyone else is interested listen to it i will even try to answer dear mr. vitaly we are looking forward to it your comment on the open letter of mrs. spartz and who does zelenskyi take yermak or ukraine, dear friends, i have never understood this increased interest of ukrainians in the one who is close

to this or that state figure who is elected i was never interested in the votes of ukrainian citizens, unlike many of my colleagues who spent their lives in the administration of certain ukrainian presidents . i was always interested in the name of the head of the presidential administration of the presidential secretariat or the presidential office for whom ukrainians cast their votes in the elections for the head of state. there is a political program of this person, i have always been interested in which political party the majority of citizens vote for in elections, and this applies both to ukraine and

and any other state in this world. i am a political analyst by profession. i know exactly the names of all the heads of the administration of the president of ukraine from 2014 to 1994. if i concentrate very hard, i can list them all. i remember the names of almost all the heads of the administration of the president of russia and i think that if i strain myself very much again, i will remember who headed the presidential administration in kazakhstan or some other country, who managed the white house staff, who was an assistant to the president of the united states of the state for national security or the secretary of state, but i constantly remind citizens

that they trust an absolutely specific person when they vote in an election . who did she vote for in the first round of the elections? it's also a huge illusion that you can vote for another person by voting for the same person. let me remind you that boris yeltsin's voters once voted for him also because he promised to appoint him as the secretary of the council. general of the security of the russian federation oleksandra lebid here, vote for me and not for the communists with yoganno i admit, well appointed then won and when we voted for e.e. leonid kuchma, choosing

between them pesymonenka in the elections for the president of ukraine, many hoped for something kuchma's support as a candidate for the position president yevhen marchuk will lead to serious changes in the political program of kuchma himself. kuchma too. we appointed yevhen marchuk as secretary of the national security and defense council, but the secretary of national security and of defense or the head of the president's office this is not the official for whom you are voting ukrainian elections voted for volodymyr zelenskyi in 2019 73% of citizens voted for this person and this is a question of your trust in this person or your distrust of this person do you trust volodymyr zelenskyi or not do you trust and not god given or yermakucha, someone else is there in the circle of the ukrainian

president, there is viktor yushchenko, you trusted and not oleg rybachuk or viktor baloza, do you understand petro poroshenko, and not lozhkino or raymin, there is no one of great importance is the environment of a person who has received a popular mandate, the effectiveness of this person, his political views, the level of his competence, the ability to make the right decisions , the ability to understand the expertise of certain political, economic, social and military issues is of great importance, you either vote for it and continue to support this person, or you do not vote believe that this person cannot live up to your trust. then you should not be responsible for important personnel decisions because

you are waiting for the next presidential election or parliamentary ones to vote for some other person or for another political party, the same if you are disappointed in your choice, but you choose without fear, you understand. this is all from a great proverb , the king is good, boyars are bad, or in the soviet context. a beautiful phrase that existed for decades, which it can be called a marker of generations . stalin did not know. stalin knew everything and putin knows everything. the suspension of the state level is the first person in charge and she is responsible for the elections of the head of state, so it seems to me that in ukraine i always

he said this even before the war, even more so during the war, he can repeat it with complete peace of mind . when this conflict will continue for months or years, we do not know the level of its next springiness and globality. in any case, the war will end,

the presidential parliamentary elections will be held early and early in accordance with the level of the political and social crisis that will inevitably be after the war, the level of this crisis, the level of those trials that will be faced by all ukrainian citizens who will live on the territory of our countries and that will not be heard will also affect whether the term elections will be early, this must also be understood, and then every ukrainian citizen will be able to give an assessment of the effectiveness of the government in peace or in war of the head of state, the effectiveness of the political parties represented in the verkhovna rada and local authorities . after all, the elected representative of the government is

responsible for creating his own apparatus , and only then the officials appointed by him are responsible according to their powers, so to be honest, all this is simply not very interesting to me. frankly speaking, all this has nothing to do with the political process at all . only the personal responsibility of the person elected by the citizens is relevant to the political process. this or that one is for one or another position in the state, the president of the country, he is elected deputies , the prime minister and the minister are elected deputies, this is also an election, and in any case

, the minister is the head of the government and the prime minister for the prime minister and for the ministers, the president is also responsible for the deputies, because i have deputies who propose candidacies for the president of the free ones. we will return to it after the war, it is too early to talk about it. we are still at the very beginning of the process, we are seeing now a battle, a big battle for ukraine to remain on the political map of the world, across from us is a state that is sure that ukraine will become an integral part of the russian federation you and i will see the reference for the accession of new ukrainian regions to russia. we will see the struggle for the return

of the territory . of citizens who are going to stay in the ukrainian state despite all these tests that await it in the next decades. i think that i did not have time to answer all the other questions, but i think that i know this important question , and i sincerely thank all those who was with me on this broadcast, i sincerely thank all those who asked questions on this broadcast, i sincerely hope that all of us will understand the great level of civic responsibility that each of us has before our state and that during the period when this state

fights for its very existence much more than the citizens of prosperous states who vote for a completely different level of challenge in the presidential and parliamentary elections in their own country and repeats our greatest value is that we can vote to change the government to give clear assessments of its competence and ability now i suggest you watch the material of our french colleagues from the france 24 channel about the situation at the chernobyl nuclear power plant after the liberation of kyiv region from the russian occupiers and i say goodbye to you i wish you everything the best. until the next meetings

, here you see the damaged office equipment of the chernobyl laboratory, scattered with the remains of about 600 computers destroyed by the russian troops during the withdrawal from the occupied zone, the server equipment was stolen, the computer equipment was put out of order, together with the equipment, the software with which it was carried out was stolen forecast of the development of non-standard situations, for example, if there is a fire in the exclusion zone, these laboratories are designed to measure radiation levels in chernobyl, but due to the occupation, access was lost to dozens of important sensors throughout the territory this is such special equipment a radiation monitor worth 6.5 million euros donated by the european union is now

completely unusable its unique software was also stolen as a matter of fact it is pure water vandalism they clearly did not want this equipment to be used in the future now the basic sensors that have been restored work shows that the level of radiation in chernobyl at the site of the worst nuclear disaster in history corresponds to the pre-war level, but the technicians had to make a special effort to restore the it system from scratch, improvising with the use of old equipment, everything we could, we collected everything we could and restored the work so that it was possible to measure and control the exclusion zone, we rebuilt it all from the ruins, we used everything that

was available, you can even see that these are the diskettes that come out from what we currently have, only two out of 60 technicians serve the destroyed chernobyl laboratories, which are located approximately 30 km from the border with belarus, where russian troops have been deployed, a military threat from the russian federation has not gone anywhere, which means that people's lives are still in danger. the russian army entered chernobyl on february 24, the first day of the war, and for more than a month controlled the still dangerous zone around the defunct nuclear power plant. about 90 ukrainian employees were held hostage,

working long shifts to secure a nuclear reactor in the midst of complete chaos among them was alexander, this is the order they left behind, this is how it was in all the offices this is how it was in all the offices when the blackout war was raging of electricity caused fears that the reactor might overheat, and although the russians used tank fuel for emergency generators. it was a period of heightened anxiety, no one understood what was happening, they were shooting, there were explosions not far from the power plant, it was extremely dangerous . alexander is still haunted by memories of the weeks he spent in russian captivity, when he was completely cut off from the outside world, they caught us , knocked us down, knocked us to the ground, pressed us in the back with a machine gun, asked us who we were, where we were going, searched our pockets in search of a phone, you just had to look for

a way out, just wait to survive, you wanted to understand what would happen next, that there was no network or communication with my family, you could see all their military equipment here, planes flew by in an endless stream, tanks drove by, nuclear reactors of chernobyl a long time ago decommissioned huge steel and concrete sarcophagus standing above the epicenter of the disaster but still a very dangerous place carrying serious risks to people's health filming in the exclusion zone is allowed only with an escort the official guide is about the spaces with a radius of 30 km around the npp right here on the edge of the redwood forest near the chernobyl npp, russian soldiers set up camp, occupying this area, they set up roadblocks and even dug trenches in the contaminated soil, according to some

reports, they lived here for about three weeks and ate and drank and spent the night. and these are bags of sand that they dug up here, they are full of radioactive sand radiation, but the bags themselves they brought with them, to date there is no information about the condition of the russian military who were on the territory chernobyl and left at the beginning of april, the ukrainian military regained control over the exclusion zone and limited almost all access to the war and covid-19, this place was the main tourist attraction and a significant boost for the local economy, because 124 thousand visitors visited here in 2019, i would like everything to return to their places so that tourists would come to us and everything around would develop but