this is an important conversation. artem katyuzhansky. thank you, mr. artem, first of all, for joining our broadcast. let's say that five months without any news, the relatives of the defenders are asking the authorities to save the prisoners and 75 defenders of the alternate are still in captivity about everything this is what we are talking about with our guest, we remember what is known about the fate of our defenders, in particular about your brother, is it known for sure that he is alive, when was the last time you contacted us? were on the island they are alive. and although the president on the 24th, well, on the day of the full-scale offensive, announced that he handed it posthumously to the heroes, but i think this was very big, well, if it was disinformation, two days later we saw a video of a video in sevastopol where our guys were all

alive and well well, there was bombing, there was shelling, there was, well, if the boys were scared and the boys were warned to surrender, but the boys held there almost the whole day, held on, held the defense, but protsiv of the strength that was in the russians and against our weapons well, it wasn't where to go, that's why they were taken prisoner and it's very good that they were still alive, they were all captured in sevastopol, but the picture that was shown with the russians, initially and now, what is the picture? reality, because they are very now, well, those guys who are returning right now have exchanged somewhere around 20, 20 marines from the border, and those guys who are

telling, well, there is a video, uh, what happened to them, well, they are doing it in terrible conditions, uh, and red cross uh well robert everything is possible so that they uh, the russian side supported all the geneva conventions and had some kind of access to the boys, but they are in russia, where they are now, no one knows, uh, what some social media will do with them, they say that everything is fine. everyone is healthy, but uh, well, duh very terrible conditions, you know, artem, all these stories here are actually, well, it's a little difficult to understand, because if i correctly noted from the very beginning, there was some kind of misinformation, because well, i remember very well that at first it was said something like this, they reported to the ost or, well, they submitted the wrong lists in the very first day, because it was happening, you yourself understand that there was just some misinformation here, but they were there. yes, somewhere up to 90-90

people were replaced with something, about 20 people, well, plus or minus , no one knows the exact lists yet, because the docs, well, there until of the last they were even listed as missing, missing, and not as prisoners, so we are all the relatives of our defenders there, and the marines were there, and the border guards were there, there were two ships of the marines, there were players, many years ago, we are all relatives of our defenders, and we ask the last one that they will get status prisoners, because each part has its own soldiers in different ways, he took shelter , someone said that they were prisoners. we can assume that they are still in the horses, including your brother, is there anything known about him, is he somehow getting in touch, or do you know anything about his

current fate, about 5,000 prisoners, both civilians and military, well, nobody doesn * t know where are they now, there is unconfirmed information that they are in sevastopol, but the people who are in sevastopol are people who are preparing for the administration and god forbid that they are not really preparing for exchange, because they have already been in captivity for 5 months, well, in terrible conditions, i think there they don't stroke the head, as they say, and they are in terrible conditions. well, even more so, my brother. he was in the atovets, and there to the atovets. well, there is a second relationship. please tell me more about your brother, what he did in general, what he was responsible for, what kind of person he was, a professional patriot and the most important thing is what will your brother do when he returns from captivity and after the victory, well, i will say more that well, he was a patriot, a patriot, he was already in the armed forces of ukraine for three years, he was already

in uh, well, in luhansk region or in donetsk region, i'm sure i can't say, but he was on the front line, he was already a soldier and on snake island. he was there for two months, well, they were ordered there - they were ordered there for reinforcements, for protection , for reinforcements, and he had been there for two months before the 24th. he had months left also something there, about a month to serve, he was a contract worker for three years, and as they already said, the guys who got out there are in their cells there, they are sitting there, they were sitting somewhere in the lviv region, they were all imprisoned there, well, four men each, then they include the russian anthem there. well, and they are forced to sing the russian national anthem, they are told that all of ukraine has been captured, your relatives have already been captured, the president has escaped, well , there is misinformation there, it is quite painful, that is, they do not have any information, they have what they are told. well, they have to believe him there or not believe them there

include the anthem of russia sing the anthem of russia they are the ones who are patriots they don't sing the anthem of ukraine they are there how do they say well it is not very good to treat them uh you we will let you go you will fight well they say well yes we will fight as we will defend our country, they are there. as they say, they don't treat them very well, that's why , brother, he is from 1999. all defenders from 1999 to 2000 are young guys who, well, really defended their country, and i know from to his brother that he is not, well, whatever, as you said, no matter how they break it but he does not give up and we rather want him to return home, but we also want to know the information, at least for some reason, his relatives are doing everything so that there is at least some kind of call with them, at least some kind of help for him to stop transmitting or something else and who is

responsible for the exchange in general or are they are there any contacts with you, yes, with the authorities, with the office of the ombudsman, with negotiators, which international organizations are accompanying the process, and are you in touch with the families of the azov residents, or is the process happening synchronously? maybe it is happening in totality is it still two separate tracks? please share your experience and how it is built tuesday tuesday in kyiv we met with the red cross and there were representatives from e association of azov women of steel i also met there women who they created a public organization. and this public organization is responsible. well, they created such an organization that is responsible for all the prisoners of ukraine, not only for the women there, who represent about 160 or 170

prisoners of the chernobyl station, and so how the chernobyl station was also captured practically in the first days and there about 160 or 1770 soldiers are also in captivity who also do not know what information, well, all of them, approximately, there is a very large number of prisoners and they are located in different points of russia, there in russia in different prisons and so on. so these associations are the red cross, they deal with it, but it is precisely the exchange, as the red cross does not deal with deception , the sbu gur deals with the exchange. so, and well, we, if our associations are also engaged in this, someone does not communicates directly with iryna varishchuk, we will meet next sunday, we will meet with iryna, she is there, she promises to help us, there are some negotiations going on, and so

on . the president is under personal control very much for our prisoners and some laws are being passed in order to deal with this more seriously and so on what is it mr. artem thank you very much for this story for bringing clarity in particular to how it was from the very beginning because there was so little different information coming in and it wasn’t clear, someone could take a look now , tell me, hasn’t everyone returned from the shift yet? therefore, it is possible to keep this topic under control, including reporting on the course of events actually with ukrainian prisoners of war . everyone is on the account and no one is forgotten. thank you, mr. artem, thank you, and thank you, of course, to your brother, who is currently in captivity, and we wish him to return as soon as possible to his native ukrainian land , and you know that there is a prisoner of war defender of the serpent vladyslav zadoriyana was in touch with us.

so here we are too. well, one more thing, one more question, if there hadn't been a little bit of such disinformation here at the very beginning, then everything would be easier. i'm very, very afraid. i know what this , this, this manipulation of information well, for example, there was a phrase of the president about 100,200 dead ukrainians per day at the front of the armed forces of ukraine, then they increased to 300 and something there and so on, then they all started commenting and then this phrase did not exist at all. revealed or explained in reality and well, this is also an example when simply in the conditions of uh, if censorship of such a military kind is justified somewhere, there is a possibility of manipulation of numbers in principle, and these numbers of this life of people and real people and this manipulation, i understand that it should have been there to somehow put pressure on the allies that we need to give more weapons and so on. well, it is also

misleading, as in fact, it can be, for example , shocking. it can be a different word, no, or we are telling the truth. not numbers are people, people just don't manipulate people, people's lives. even if it seems that this particular moment will help in this war, i don't know what i have, i don't have the feeling that someone is trying to specifically manipulate numbers or people, but uh, well, if it's a fact what is missing we have a lot of information on the fate of our defenders who are in captivity, we understand that this may also be a justified step, so there is some kind of keeping this topic under wraps, we see certain changes are observed and they were released there uh, kind of the number of our e-e our defenders of mariupol yes, but of course this is a drop in the ocean compared to those

who remain behind e-e bars e-e in the kremlin occupiers in the enemies and e among them e among our defenders who are still in captivity and defenders of the snake 85% of them, in this process , returned with the relatives of the defenders and approximately 2,500 defenders of mariupol, well, again, we don’t know the exact number, artem just said about 5,000, about two thousand, they are russian sources this is how such numbers were called hmm, too. we don't know the final figure. in fact, how many prisoners are actually the defenders of... mariupol are now in captivity and it's also extremely disturbing ... this information about

... eh, the russians are actually trying to create such a scheme of transferring responsibility to the power of the puppet republics, and let us remind you that the moratorium on the death penalty in the so-called dnr was lifted the other day, and information appeared from putin's propagandists about sentencing our defenders to the death penalty, the so -called dnr laugh at this hour well, it honestly jumped out at me, what they have in these so-fake so-called people's republics, it was already a moratorium on the death penalty, out, i wonder what else they had on the territory on cannibalism, unconditional income for us, immigration, what is there, which is cheaper, it was allowed, uh, this is civil marriages between gays, what

is there? the leadership and society that condones this in us today at the beginning there was this oleg buryak, the head of the zaporizhzhia district state administration, his son came back from a full, this is actually a sweater. anton, here and there, he says that er, so that she would laugh at him, and here he is, this little one, here we are, this teenager, who, in fact, and this mr. oleg, it is not he who says that he or he was actually engaged in this from captivity, and his in general, there was a function there, there was a torture chamber where people were tied up with wires and beat them so that blood was all over

the walls, the floor was all just puddles of blood, and the wolf 's job was that he had to wash it off afterwards. it was all from the blood. well, it wasn't hard to confirm what he was doing there. he says that the most terrible thing was hearing those screams those people who were simply tortured to death there, simply to death, and this is about the issue of the moratorium on the death penalty, which they seem to be canceling there, we understand that it is not, they were not held, and there is no right, no moratorium, and there is only malice against pride. this is absolutely with a sick psychology, a collective psyche, and sick people, the problem is that the ukrainians need to treat them, something has happened to us, we have such stars

. where are the russian troops now advancing, what is the situation at the front on the morning of july 11, please, mr. sergius, i congratulate you in the middle of the general staff, the situation is uh-uh enough of a howl, that is, along all the lines of conflict uh-uh, first of all, it is around slavic around the northern area around bakhmut is happening precisely with artillery attacks on the places where our units are located, as well as attacks by the aviation artillery on and against the military object. in fact, conventionally speaking, this is called a so-called operational pause, but we we can see that this operational pause did not lead to such changes on the

battlefield, indeed, part of the russian units are trying to strengthen there and regroup, and smaller forces are also trying to carry out separate actions on separate areas with the support of artillery areas, trying to mass supply places in our defense, and that is why the whole situation around bakhmut, where there are several roads leading directly to kramatorsk and slavyansk, is important here, because it is directly between siversk and siversk donets. now the enemy is trying to accumulate in this gap and press down from above between siverskyi and the river and the eyes of the city, which are usually called in the green of the general staff, this is exactly and er, grigorivka and belogorivka - this is exactly the fact that at a distance of 10-15 km from severskaya, certain preparatory actions are taking place, attempts are being made to

bypass from the flank the lyshnrskaya line of silverskaya, e. there are all these actions. how today there for his general staff were repulsed. this is precisely the attempt there. mazanivka to enter the route from izyum to sloviansk and create conditions for controlling this route there, that is, in fact, separate such tactical actions small forces are taking place, and on the other hand , there is an accumulation of this military force somewhere, but we see that this accumulation is realized at the expense of such non-standard actions related to the creation of these benefits or even the involvement of e-e prisoners who were punished in order to give them amnesty after participating in in other words, this means that there is not enough personnel and stockpiling,

and with regard to military equipment, we can see from the report and british intelligence and other sources that the equipment is already available from stocks or times in the days of the soviet union, which are still remembered , we even put separate samples, so that in fact the situation is at such a certain stage, after which more active hostilities should begin, both from the russian side and, i hope, from the ukrainian side, in view of the interview of the minister of defense of the times edition that is, the minister of massacre, who actually announced the offensive in the south of ukraine . is there already a counteroffensive? the adviser, in particular, the president of the white house, who simply shouts to our bide, it is enough to hesitate, give ukraine 50 and ukraine cannot

tolerate a counteroffensive for next year, it will be a huge mistake, the diplomats, the head of the eurasia center in the atlantic cancel it stands out, republicans, political experts of both camps are talking about it today, regardless of whether that letter has already worked sufficiently or whether mr. reznikov will soon announce this counterparty. the publication in er in the matter of times it was enough, well, for me, it seems to me that it is not untimely and not if there are plans, they do not need to be announced, if such plans exist and they are announced directly at the political level, then it will create a situation reminiscent in a certain way of severodonetsk when certain political restrictions or political orientations began to influence

the military strategy, on the one hand, it seems correct because it is political figures who determine the situation, on the other hand, we are talking about the fact that the conduct of competitive offensive actions must be based on the necessary number of personnel reserves and the necessary number of equipment that allow such actions to be carried out directly in relation to the number of personnel in the same different which he said that we have directly in the defense forces 700,000 for if we are talking about a million then it is necessary to carry out an additional mobilization there, to get a certain number of people to reach this indicator , which is mentioned by varshikov, but the main issue is the training of these units and, most importantly, insufficient the amount of equipment because the lend-lease is actually still not working, that is, in fact, according to the statements of the secretary of the nsdc danilov and other officials, in fact , the main supply of military equipment to the forest wormwood

falls somewhere in september, october, that is, in fact, in the period when we were already supposed to have combat-ready units are already ready because then autumn begins and uh, the change in climatic conditions for conducting these offensive operations directly in the same south begins, that is, in fact, this window of opportunity is narrowing and uh to carry out political guidelines without sufficient e-e reserves of forces is quite risky, and therefore i think that this statement is of a different class, i hope it is supported by sufficient calculations, if not, then it is necessary to take your time and really balance the forces of opportunities and wishes and the desire of the relationship on the other hand, that is, there is no window of opportunity very wide. we also constantly talk about it. and actually the possibilities for a counter-offensive, well, look at the complex

dilemma of the zno, on the one hand, we understand that it is necessary to liberate the south because these areas directly related to economic issues, i.e., level control. this control of economic stability from the point of view of all directions is a prerequisite for defeating the enemy directly there from the area that is still controlled by the enemy on the right bank of the dnieper around kherson, advancing here in particular there is inna, kherson, and on nova kakhovka, given the limitations of the enemy’s forces, it can be done, but i’ll repeat, the threat directly to donbas and the stabilization of the line has not yet reached anywhere. front on the donbas, how many reserves, how many forces do we have today, only the general staff knows this, and i am directly saying that it is a new quick guide to start an offensive in the

south, which was announced in a foreign publication. i think that in these conditions it is premature if we are ready to do it, in fact we are doing it relatively speaking in a quiet way, because in the entire south there is indeed a link of the enemy's position with our territory in separate directions, we knock them out there, but we do it quite slowly because uh, these measures are taken by tactical units, supported by aviation, but this is not the kind of contract that can be carried out quickly there and confidently, the steps of the time period, if i think that for me, as a military expert, and so far, in fact, statements at the political level, i think that they, to be honest, make life difficult for military military leaders who have to invest such a parade those paradigms imposed on them by the poetic enterprise in reality

if allowed of this situation in luhansk oblast, her assessments of what happened there, everything that is happening for political purposes, tens of thousands of their soldiers are already being put when russia russia has a lot of questions for you and about the male and about the threat from the letters is a fundamental difference in the attitude towards the personnel of the russian federation and in e -e in our army we have to protect the personnel because avoiding training takes a long time and capable units are sometimes more important even than one or another e-e samples of weapons, this is the symbiosis of training and a sufficient number of weapons is extremely important in russians, the situation is different, they can take criminals

to pay money to some of the lymphonized ones there, conventionally speaking there, to old men from different regions, they don’t have old mt-lb and who are moving towards ukraine, what is actually happening now in our country, i wrote about this the day before -e actually defense express with reference to the main intelligence agency that recruitment is actively taking place in places of deprivation of liberty in various parts of russia and promise a full amnesty to recruits after six months of hostilities in ukraine in independence from gravity of the committed crimes and the term, stepan serhiy, i want to ask you about the latest news regarding the nasams, and we know that the united states will provide ukraine with anti-aircraft missile systems that are part of the air defense that protects the capital of the united states. washington and the ukrainian media assume that this is a step of the administration biden has answers to the kremlin's statements about possibly possible strikes on decision-making centers in

ukraine and the systems that will protect kyiv from russian missile strikes, at least those that will arrive first. will you be able to protect yourself? kyiv and what to do with other ukrainian cities when we will be able to effectively protect them, it literally takes 3 minutes. indeed, i am also a supporter of the decision that the capital will be covered at first sight, because it is an important center from many aspects, starting from the number of people there less people will open the video of the importance of covering the bridges, which is beginning to be mentioned more often to the enemies there, that it is necessary to strike at the bridges and directly from the political symbols of the effective covering of kyiv, so far we we are talking about two batteries for males. without saying, each of them can cover er, each launch can destroy targets at a distance of up to 40 km in

range, and in principle, the most key moment of kyiv, we will cover it ourselves, but we, as ukraine , are too big a country to relatively speaking, to be able to close all our cities in a short period of time, therefore, this strategy will be implemented here, using the existing means of air defense, which already cover primarily the cities of millionaires and our combat units and aviation, which also fights with cruise missiles, we will not be able to provide such a multi-layered anti-aircraft missile defense right away, but we will strive for it and the first steps with us are quite significant in this sense, thank you mr. serhiy, indeed, military experts emphasize that seeds alone are not needed against the patriot missile systems and that these are all

tasks for the near future . connection in a moment wait for the release of fresh news well , right now there is a moment of silence for all those who died in the russian-russian war against ukraine, for our soldiers, defenders, for the civilian population, for our relatives, our compatriots, let's remember a moment of silence for espresso, then we will return to the live on the air , we will observe a minute of silence in memory of the ukrainian military and civilian citizens of ukraine who died in the war that was unleashed by russia