which are in er developed economies er and, accordingly, long-term solutions are, in particular , er, transformation of the energy economy of european er, faster transition to renewable energy, among other things, resumption of nuclear energy in germany, maybe even er recovery from the operation of a coal-fired thermal power plant, although this is not a restorative economy, but it is such an anti-crisis measure , well, and without a doubt, the supply of weapons, the supply of weapons. that is, we see how high-precision weapons can be effectively used by ukraine, and here we must understand that we are entering, we are approaching winter, and time is not on our side so far, at this time, accordingly, we must maximize efforts and

sanctions and regarding the supply of weapons e so that we simply survive in this winter wool, i also read it in cardio, where the aggressor and a well-known european military expert were quoted a lot, and he says that the west must now understand that it was probably a mistake to bet only on victory in the economic war because, well, there theoretically, figuratively speaking, it is possible that the russians are ready to whine even with their feet, but still to fight , this is a very low threshold of sensitivity in reality , which exists, or is so very high, to all these falls of the economic base of the russian voter or population, respectively, europe that is, the aggressor classically says that it will be cheaper for the world to win the ukrainians until the end of the war, and why is this if it happens

? wrote kyrylo shevchenko, now the head of the national bank of ukraine is actually writing an open letter. how are you? i don't know who i'm addressing, and probably the government and the president, with what he says, in essence, i can no longer print money for you. this is not the way out. we will get into trouble now. and remembering that this is the end of the weimar republic at one time , what is the way out now when 9 billion are really frozen there, is it unknown what aid from the european union is now to cover this gap in the fiscal financial budget, two immediate steps that need to be taken well, first of all, it is necessary to restructure this debt and this payment, which in particular we must pay about 1.2 billion e-e in september e-e there is also time running out e-e and accordingly

we need to start these conversations immediately unfortunately , the ministry of finance and the government e-e have been saying for a long time that we we will pay this money, uh, obviously, by acting on the aid of the developed world, now that we understand that this aid is coming on a much smaller scale than the ministry of finance and the government expected, then we need to return to the conversation that we actually proposed that in april to restructure, to agree with the owners of these bonds and this debt of ours about the fact that it will be paid later, well, in the end , it's war again, that is, it can be a default , it can be a default, what does it threaten ukraine, that's it, if i said so simply that it's well, there will be no default in september . this threatens that it may be later. but now this billion, which should

be paid out to the debt holders, can be left in the budget and used, in particular, for the army. saying very necessary and strictly speaking, this is what the national bank is co- financing a lot of things. does not want to do it because it is an unnecessary expense, but because of such a low price of these bonds, we cannot attract enough capital, so we start to rely on the national bank, and then the national bank says what kind of things you they mentioned mr. andriy, thank you, thank you, pavlo sheremeta , as the minister of economic development and trade of ukraine, the founder of the kyiv-mohyla business school , was our guest in this slot, we are moving on viktor yagun, major general of the sbu, deputy head

of the security service of ukraine in 14-15 years with us on congratulations mr. victor. good health. let's start with your assessment of the situation at the front on the 138th day of the war. many say that the next weeks will be decisive. do you agree with this? forces well, in fact, they will be decisive. every day is decisive, we all expect a turning point, for now, in the coming days or weeks, i would not expect any extraordinary news there, the main thing that remains for us is to hold back the defense and not lose the positions we are in now , the main main direction which we are hoping for, this is pivdenyi, this is kherson. we have a promotion there, there is a vision of how to do everything, especially what concerns the right bank of the dnieper

, so i hope that ours will hold on in the kharkiv direction and in those directions in the donetsk region where the enemy is trying to advance in the direction of the slavonian bakhmut, and it is clear that it is necessary to monitor the situation in zaporizhzhia, where the enemy tried to accumulate forces for some kind of counterattack and not to forget about kharkiv region and, er, belarus, what principles are currently conditional speaking of options in the russian language of the russian command, well, i have a feeling that they still have this operational pause to a certain extent, and as far as we understand, they are also trying to gather resources, probably that now the war is actually in the stage of renewal

of resources, it is faster to renew resources and accumulate them, in this sense, if ukraine fails to carry out a powerful counteroffensive by the end of this autumn, what will this mean in principle in the military plan, in the military plan it will mean that we stop at those positions on which we are, and unfortunately one of them may be the only one for a long time, the only plus at that moment would be that we do not sign any cease-fires or any other stupid things that will remind us of minsk agreements and there is an opportunity to slowly advance from village to village, that is, you enter some gray zone to push the enemy out, but there may not be such large counteroffensive operations

. that we will still be able to break through this moment, because if we go into the winter period, it will be much more difficult for us to advance , mr. viktor, we see that the minister of defense oleksiy reznikov in an interview with the wallster journal, but again commented on the issue of weapons and, according to him, highly mobile artillery reactive systems himers changed the rules of the game by allowing ukraine to attack the russians in izyum, the same will be found darkly quoted by the wall street journal reznikov we need more weapons, we need them urgently well, we see that john gerb and the us ambassador to ukraine in 2003 sixth emphasizes that the west's support for ukraine in terms of weapons is slow and indecisive, despite the fact that

it is increasing, they would have already sent a sufficient number of fighter jets to ukraine, emphasizes coat of arms - necessary components of air defense, tanks, equipment in much larger volumes and more modern than what is supplied now, this is hindered by general indecision and the fear of publishing, irritating or provoking putin , which strategically makes no sense in your opinion, eh. well, how do you see this process in general, viktor? are we really keeping up with the pace of how the west's vision of the war in ukraine is actually changing, the ukrainian perspective, we see that these changes are happening, but they are happening quite slowly. is there your vision of the situation? look, we always blame the west or some unknown partners there who don’t have time to observe our weapons. well, this is what the coat of arms said

. it's another matter to prepare well, what does it mean to hand over the planes, let's hand over the planes and we have ready airfields, we have ready technical documentation these planes. i'm not talking about the pilots. i'm not talking about rearranging their radars and any system that worked in our system into someone else's. that is, it's so technically difficult. i'm not saying that i don't want. i want those planes to come, but for this must be done in order to prepare the pilots who sat on our planes for american planes. and this is necessary, at least a squadron of these pilots needs more than one

month of training. of the commander of special operations forces in 16-19 years should be preceded by an effective counteroffensive, that is, several components, weapons, training and effective management of these two directions. when i want to say that when we talk about this, we forget that our servicemen, and this is not 1,000 people, are now behind by the border, yes, when they start to be attracted here, then the technique can come, you understand, together with them, and then a break will certainly begin to happen, and it will take more than one month, you understand . that's why we just have to wait and believe in our the armed forces that are restraining this, well, now, with the methods and the possibilities that we have, and one of those possibilities is actually the liquidation of the e-e warehouses e-e closer to the e-e hmm in the closer line

of the enemy's offensive, and this precisely deters their offensive and this the entire complex that conducts our armed forces in order to give us the opportunity to hold the situation and hold it at least until the month of august, we all said that it was the beginning of august, maybe september, a month when the situation at the front can really turn upside down actually p e-e viktor e very often they mention the kerch bridge that it is desirable to target it and it should be bombed, nevertheless, well, rustam, a well-known agita, is also an expert analyst from azerbaijan. attack, he says that even if ukraine will have a dozen ballistic missiles there, which are enough, which have a sufficient range, well, for example, they will give us these missiles to airfields, and nevertheless, it can only be

disabled, for example, for a couple of weeks, this is our maximum ukraine will have the capacity at the moment for how much it is really a key goal that ukraine, well, in reality, has the opportunity to destroy this bridge . then this is in particular the opinion of kryvonos and viktoria that you are here, what is your opinion, see how many rockets were used by the aggressor to destroy our bridge over the gulf, and it is not such a powerful bridge as kerch, so i really agree that to eliminate it is quite a difficult task and we can really damage it, first of all we need to water the railway if we

can do it and we can show that we get to this bridge it will be quite effective in terms of logistics because they will actually be able to restore it here so much in terms of psychological. and at the expense of where to shoot, and i think that it is not for nothing that our intelligence has published the technical documentation of the bridge there are quite a lot of such unpleasant things for the aggressor in what way this bridge was really being created, and what are the supports on, the supports are actually the biggest problem point because the soils in the kerch bay are so unusual and very difficult, and actually only china was ever able to master this technology of floating

screws, er, and such supports that do not have a permanent permanent such well, that is, they are not permanently fixed , but can move depending on how this movement moves, and this is such a rather interesting thing , if you really aim here, then you can, maybe collapse well, but the calculations must be very, very accurate and should we spend it on this effort? well, i don't know. we have to think. this is, well, i don't think it can be a task. well, as we can see, the enemy's military formations, and other goals that they are trying to accumulate and use a large amount of ammunition against ukraine if possible. viktor well, how do you look at the question of whether general mobilization in russia is possible now, what will it give putin? there are also differences of opinion among experts .

even if such a mobilization takes place, there is no reason to fight, it would be, by the way, and for untrained soldiers, it would be just some marshevich march rifle companies during the second world war. well, what is your opinion here? after all, putin is taking this step because there are opinions and testimony of insiders that he remains a supporter of this idea and strives for it. russia must admit that it was unable to carry out its so-called special operation and declare a full-fledged war against ukraine and only in this case er according to their legislation they can announce mobilization in another case, uh, they can't do that, and that 's why uh, it's used by a lot of people who refuse to go to ukraine for war, uh, because

they say that there is no war there, some kind of special operation, you're doing it there, i'm here military, if you say that we have a war, we have to defend the motherland. i went to war, and there was some kind of special operation, i don't know if there are any cysts there. let them figure it out for themselves. some actions are not related to the war, well, this is very , very logical, and now a lot of russian lawyers are standing up, protecting these people who refuse, mr. viktor, are you in touch with us because we do not see you eh hung up the connection eh now we will try to restore it, we still have an interesting question for mr. yagun. if you succeed, please give us a signal that mr. yagun is in contact with us, meanwhile we see that according to the latest

news, the number of dead as a result of the strike on the time ravine in donetsk region, the death toll increased to 18 people six people have been rescued so far, according to the rescuers as of this morning, 22 people, in particular, a child may be under the rubble, the state emergency service is working in a temporary rush. well, we see that the armed forces of ukraine this morning repelled the assault of the russians in the direction of krasnopill and maryinka. the general staff reported this this morning that we still don't have a connection with victor the engine i just wanted to ask, but then i'll just voice it as information what's in this interview times what you and i andriy discussed oleksiy reznikov minister of defense of ukraine said that in the coming years, russia is definitely waiting for the disintegration of several states. well, it is interesting that this statement somehow became so interesting that it happened at the same time as reznikov, the

winner of the nobel peace prize and the ex-president of poland, the loan shark, expressed a similar opinion in an interview with le figaro and said that russia should be reduced to 50 million , reminded that it is actually a prison of peoples, there live 60 peoples who have been absorbed in the same way as ukrainians are absorbed today, and it is necessary to help these peoples to rise up and change the russian political system the system is fine, it’s easy, valensa, oleg valensa, even before the start of the war, it seems that there was an idea that nato troops should be introduced into ukraine in order to help ukraine immediately attack russia in response, when it attacked ukraine , say something. oleg valensa yes, this is this person, do you still know the old leaven, a person who knows that sometimes decisions have to be made, because i do not

transfer them to the next generations, but we also remember that they made kravchuk boring, in fact, transferring it to our generation to solve and deal with russia meanwhile, we believe in the collapse of russia in the change of its political system, but we understand that before that we will probably have to work independently on our victory, fortunately here on the side of ukraine, the whole civilized world, the kazakh political scientist joins us, e.e. dimash aldzhanov congratulations, mr. aldzhanov, if you can hear from us, have a good day, and let's start the actual topic of the confrontation between kazakhstan and russia, and the economic war . in my opinion, it's just a greeting in ukrainian, and this is already a signal for me that we can, for sure, we won't

get to speak cossack, but we will correct ourselves. will it be comfortable and understandable for you, we will speak in ukrainian? well , in my opinion, yes, it’s clear, i understand that it’s good, i just don’t say it, but if everything suits you, then we’re generally happy. okay, then it’s true, what after the non-recognition by the president of kazakhstan of the pseudo-republics of the people’s republic of china and the people’s republic of china at the economic forum in st. petersburg between kazakhstan and russia started a similar cooling has begun, and some experts are already formulating it as an economic war . the authorities of kazakhstan have decided to increase the import of oil in a bypass to europe. well, the kremlin is blocking the main terminal that passes through the territory of russia. the essence of relations between the two countries

. how does the situation actually look, because many people say that this is an exaggeration of the assessment, that in reality there is no economic war, but there is simply veiled cooperation and different interests. uh, but global cooperation does not stop, how did you describe the situation today, yes, indeed, the statement at the st. petersburg forum , uh, they made a lot of noise, but it seems to me that it is worth paying attention to the reality of the relationship between the two political regimes of russia, kazakhstan , and they are very close to the authoritarian regime, i reminded the ukrainian congratulator that in january the russian army was invited by the president in order to maintain power during the protests naturally, after the innovative events

, the expansion of the special relationship in the area in the law enforcement system was put forward, that russian specialists will help to reform or organize the law enforcement system . this is a very bad signal. he is really busy or trying to distance himself from russia, let's not be quite like that if you look at the president's story - this is the rule of which he made during the qatar forum, where he marked the solutions to the conflicts in ukraine as demil- where the militarization of ukraine. - э также экономический казахстанский меня depends not on the application

. there are no opportunities to implement this, that is , a pipeline through russia, and the caspian kpk, it will ship 80% of kazakhstan's oil to alternative routes to kazakhstan, because the last decade kazakhstan has been very strong in the format of the russian internet. to them about that in the country of other goods сейчас когда kazakhstan for russia is the main one that can open access to world markets for goods and technologies. i think russia is interested in keeping as much as possible kazakhstan has its own orbs and er, in order for the sanctions to be really effective, it is worth paying attention to the question of the open market and what role kazakhstan can play, that is, i

think this is the task of ukraine and western countries, too, mr. masha. please tell me. well, just so that we understood in principle er this odkb that is, it is some analogue of nato and we can see that er putin at the beginning probably hoped that the countries that are members of this military bloc and the military bloc they could stand on the side of er russia there he constantly this is what lukashenka is suggesting, but in your opinion , how realistic is this in general, and why did the other countries of the csto decide to stay out of this conflict, and kazakhstan even? kazakhstan is now under pressure from one side, eh, everyone understands very well that kazakhstan has a very narrow corridor, that is, from one side, this pressure is

from western countries, and from the sanctions regime, and from the other side, this is the euro-jewish economic community her yes kb bliznets rossii a-a kazakhstan is forced to maneuver eh secondly eh kazakhstane is mostly about the ukrainian mood in the fatherland they are in a raft to the point that the kazakh authorities do not allow to organize peaceful protests actions in support of ukraine to everyone so that not to create the impression that later he really distanced himself from russia and after the investment events, the society is very the order to shoot to defeat without a front against this background russian troops arrived in kazakhstan and if a decision is made to somehow help russia militarily, this will be additional

pressure on the weak legitimacy of the president for the time being and it may even damage serious protests in the future by citizens of kazakhstan not with in ukraine , russia's war in ukraine and how has their attitude towards the russians changed in general during the last time, and also the sources of information from which they learn about the war, as far as they have an objective full a picture, these wars may be different from the russian ones, well, thanks to the internet, information passes through the presence of ukrainian channels, uh, i have a video of the internet , it seems like, uh, they would dry up the format that it is the uprising of kazakhstan, people are formed, people understand the negative influence of uh, russian propaganda, but unfortunately kazakhstan is located in the information space of russia, examples in the official broadcasting network of ordinary satellite large-screen channels give preference to russian channels, moreover, russian

channels are more popular national channels kazakhstan is not very different from belarus in this regard, it is not a free country here, there is no freedom of speech and no independent mass media, therefore, against the background of boring kazan propaganda, russian propaganda looks more attractive and for entertainment content on these channels, therefore, for certain segments of society k unfortunately, it is subject to propaganda . kazakhstan is open in the center, where monetary aid is collected for the duration of this period, people lend money or bring a shipped product in order for them to go to ukraine , that is, these connections are very strong enough , many people who once worked in kazakhstan

have - э узнаваемость иди отчество they are now in ukraine, that is, here at different levels of 10 connections, so the society very much supports ukraine. well, by the way, i have not seen this video that is currently being shown in us on the screen. i understand that these are rallies in february, early march in kazakhstan in support of ukraine. - the president of kyrgyzstan once said that it is necessary to understand that for the kyrgyz, for example, russia is a window to europe, as for kazakhstan, is it a regional leader in this regard? is the influence of china strong, for example , in particular, is china a certain alternative, for example in this some kind of window in another world. i think democratization is necessary for everything in the soviet

process . countries , that is, these are presidential dictatorships now that ukraine has a more or less balanced political system and the council balances the president and appeared eh, then the country began to meet the minimum standards of democracy, that is, elections appeared, freedom of speech and freedom of peaceful assembly appeared , so this is a good indicator for the second countries after the soviet union, that is, on a par with moldova, eh, in the future, georgia and kazakhstan should all democratize precisely in this is the key to rejecting russian domination in the region. this is exactly what it should be perceived as, so this is a good example.