only, well, such an appeal as a congressman to the president cannot remain unanswered, and some things i do not know what degree of secrecy or openness i think we will definitely hear victoria sparz actually voiced the messages, they are, well , in such an american form. well, for example , she says about the azov detachment and not weeding at all or a unit of the azov national guard. that is, of course, she has ties to ukraine, it doesn't uh, well, it shouldn't cause any doubts, but it seems to me that she is conducting her own campaign on the one hand other the question is that this company is hitting the ukrainian political community with a very strong ricochet. regarding the ukrainian authorities, let's listen to oleksiy holobutsky, oleksiy, well, how do you assess this situation, its risks

that arise in connection with this for ukraine, and here are these e reactions that we quoted in particular from the spokesperson of the president and from the ukrainian foreign ministry how all this will be perceived in particular in the united states well, we can not cancel because of the war in ukraine cancel the policy in the united states like elections and so on and we will not be able to force everyone to live for the sake of which of our interests there, the political struggle continues, which is absolutely normal for a democratic country, and when our spokesmen of the ministry of foreign affairs and all others who respond to this appeal are doing it a little offensively, so to speak, they must understand that well, today the democrats are in power, so they have the majority of congresses, tomorrow the republicans will

have the majority for example, we will also have to negotiate with them, because without american help, we must understand that if there was no american help, i am afraid that european help in the war would not be enough for us, and the situation in ukraine was with me it would be much worse, let's say so, let's remind you, i'll just briefly insert a note that when the congress approved aid to ukraine in the amount of 40 billion, the democrats voted unanimously, but only three quarters of the republicans, that is, a quarter of the republicans did not vote in favor of ukraine, and these are the people who may not understand the danger maybe bad information, but in fact these are skeptics of ukraine who can grow with such tendencies until the elections in the fall. i think there will always be two-party support for ukraine. i will say well, well, listen, this is the united states of america, why should we be here? why do we think that everyone 100% on the

planet and in a democratic country, the united states should support us? there are people who choose such views. i sometimes read some congressmen. i think it's just there people with such left-wing views or so right-wing views that it's just well, there are such republicans who seem to have forgotten, so to speak, that ah-ah already in the 60s and 50s and the 21st century, but they are elected. well, they are like that. people are different, tourist views are different. and not all they will love ukraine, we should also understand this, we should not have a complex about this, this is normal political life in the united states, a normal political struggle. we just have to understand that in this situation, we owe more to americans than america, than america to us , they say yes in america, i as a historian, after all. by education, i read a lot about how america helped other countries, he and military actions and

support. yes, and in the messiah, there were very unpleasant examples, let's say so, for example, with vietnam when well, let's say the advice of the americans to stop certain corruption, and the leadership of the south vietnamese republics were not listened to , and we perfectly understand, we remember from history how it ended in the end. that's why this is a serious issue. to beat, so to speak , does it mean whether there are questions that need to be answered honestly and frankly? yermaka tatarov according to the words of spartacs, mr. yevgeny well , we see that er, this topic is constantly being heard. today we have er, monday, july 11. and

the prosecutor of sab has not been appointed, despite the fact that the results of the competition are actually obvious, as it is perceived in the west andriy did you want to add something already there in the comments, which is the former director of transport international and the people's deputy, now he is, well, people just assume, they just make assumptions because there is very little information, because right here they don't comment on it he does not comment on anything, this is a person with a plan , there are serious charges against him, this is tatarov, he is a person who has a real conflict of interest with the appointment of the head of sap, because he himself is involved in a criminal case that was investigated by this investigator who won the competition a-a and in the nabu yes, that is the story and yurchyshyn says well, it is possible that tatarov has a papyrus, conditionally speaking, such a rut for everyone where there is some kompromat, that is why he is so indispensable, well, this is one of the versions, just your opinion, why tatarovsky is indispensable, because really reputational losses are taking place, please turn

on the microphone, yevgeny, and yet it’s true. what do the west think about this, how much does it affect ukraine’s support for negotiations with partners, please? i think that they have cognitive dissonance in the west and in the european union, in the united states, because they wonder how a clerk in the president's office can offer the promises made by the president who won more than 70% of the votes in the elections. i think it's just some kind of existential shock that our european partners are experiencing because they they just can't understand how this is possible, and that's why, well, i really don't want viktoria sparz's appeal to be just the beginning, and i would n't like the brouhaha about obtaining the status of a candidate for joining the european union to

end, huh a serious disappointment, all the more so in the conditions of the war with russia, let me remind you that no one canceled or canceled the war, let's listen to oleksiy golobuzky, the only thing that has been weighing us down for some time is why, mr. oleksiy, your thoughts on this topic are concentrated. imagine a person before her the most respected leaders of the world travel, yes , there have been no attacks on us in kyiv in recent months, he, uh, addresses the parliaments of all countries, he is on the covers of all the press, and here you lick yours with some trifles, well, what is the problem, he is teflon, now he is comfortable with these people you must understand it simply comfortably, we are constantly looking for some complex explanations like this. yes, there is some component to him, he is simply comfortable with these people, these people satisfy him specifically,

i will not say who you understand yourself and all that enough i very concentratedly said and what about the competition, after all, what about the results of the competition for prosecutor sapp, they want to enter the process of restoring ukraine ah with the money they constantly talk about as an absolutely monolithic group, so to speak, without any prosecutors and without any possible problems problems related to anti-corruption structural bodies well, what about the media, which represents civil society, we will still demand that everything happens as it is necessary for the development of ukraine and for our of the future thank you mr. oleksiy thank you mr. yevgeny for this conversation and we are moving on in the meantime

oleksiy holobutsky political technologist yevhen magde director of the institute of world politics were our guests well, we are moving on to the inclusion with the people's deputies of ukraine, they asked about dad sofya fedina people's deputy of ukraine olga vasylevska smagliuk people's deputy of ukraine will join us, they already tell me that mrs. sofia is already with us and physically glad to see you . good day everyone. a court was planned that could theoretically annul the results of the election competition for the election of the new head of the special anti-corruption prosecutor's office, and if this actually happens, it is a very bad signal because lawyer maksym kostetskyi writes on his facebook that he is quoted by censor.net and other publications about the fact that instead of simply appointing

the head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, who had already been selected in the competition, to the bank, they are trying to push deputy prosecutor general oleksiy simonenko to this position. will be canceled according to the laws of martial law, the actual state of martial law, the president can simply appoint anyone without a contest, then what is the point? by the way , let's listen to sofia fedina 's comment. around the appointment of a specialized anti-corruption prosecutor who was already elected in a legal competition, which everyone recognized as absolutely transparent and honest, and the promise to appoint a prosecutor was breathed into zelenskyi directly in sulifonderlein to biden and many other high-ranking officials to our international partners because this is one of the basic requirements for our further european integration, for our further communication, receiving financial aid and ultimately help in the

fight against the moscow federation, that this is not happening. i believe that this borders on treason and i do not understand all these insinuations, if only to consider that the leaders of the ukrainian state are trying to appoint a person who will not move them personally. and so it is considered that this person who won the competition now, he can move them personally, second moment, right now there is a court case going on regarding the lawsuit of one of the participants in the competition regarding the incompetence of the commission that elected the prosecutor of sap and our foreign partners are being fed such a fable. let's wait for the court's decision and then you will see. that these are another postponement and another game of their own interests, and i very much doubt that our foreign partners do not understand this, so i would very much like president zelensky to be for many countries now the world, such a democratic, true legal

leader, did not back down from his image, did not follow the whims of yarmak tatarov of his company, but still did what should be done by law, he simply appointed the person who was elected as the head of the specialized corruption prosecutor's office , what thank you ms. sofia for this comment . joining us is olga vasylevska smagliuk, people's deputy of ukraine, ms. olga. if you listened to our previous part of the conversation, would you like to comment on the actual topic of the contest of the ssi and nabu? which are currently on pause, will it cost ukraine the support of our western partners, how will this situation develop in general, why is the prosecutor still involved ? position already in

the near future, unfortunately, i did not hear the previous conversation, but i can tell you with confidence that if this condition is met with us, then it will definitely be fulfilled. and as for the one who is blocked contests, unfortunately, i cannot comment on your groin. you are a member of another committee, and of course i understand the importance of this situation for our international partners, and they can say that we have adopted a law that precisely regulates the participation of international observers in all processes related to these appointments, because how will the competition commission be formed immediately? i hope there will be a good result. by the way, ms. olga, you are a member of the committee on finance, tax and customs policy, namely the chairman of the committee on issues prevention, in particular, of the legalization of

proceeds of crime, here i would like to ask you about such and such one of the news of the week, quite scandalous . directly since you joined us now to ask your opinion about this uh about this discussion between people's deputy maryana bezugle and who initiated the exclusion of your fellow party member mykola tyshchenko from the servant of the people and accused a colleague of being involved in fraudulent schemes, bezugla writes about this on her facebook, well, this is actually a very unpleasant topic, but we have to voice it to hear your reaction, your opinion on this, it is about what bezugla says that there are many wonderful people in the team of servants of the people, and tyshchenko is a stain darkened in the conditions of the war and accuses the people's deputy of enriching himself during the war, what

is the essence of this story, the parties in this discussion or do you also think that the tyshchenka should be excluded from the list of servants of the people and maybe also together with my colleague, we are ready to appeal to the law enforcement officers to see if the facts that mrs. bezugla is talking about really exist. please comment, because turbov and i know, if we speak professionally, that there is a big difference between illegal enrichment and the financing of terrorism . i am the head of the committee that i lead. as for this discussion, i am more inclined to maryana 's side. from the faction, and i am sure that this process is going at a good pace, and first of all, we have shown that we do not cooperate with those

people who, well, simply joined the side of collaborators, and we are talking about excluding him from e-e committees. i mean deputy kovalev which is already under investigation by the entire committee on financial banks. add the testimony of dbru. i am sure that if there are criminal proceedings against other people's deputies, then we will definitely join all those processes. well, maybe ms. fedina has one here too ms. sofia's comment, please comment on what you think about this process of cleaning up our political system of our parliament, how it is happening . a series of cases that do not correlate in any way with, well, at least orderliness. even where there is more, how are

some things correlated with treason, as in particular in the case of the wagners, this work of the so-called tsk on the instructions of the military in the combat zone, what to do and why is it not within the competences of a people's deputy and so on for a bulletproof vest, a bunch of speculations that were on the part of mr. tyshchenko. i think that and this should be handled by specialized bodies, which, unfortunately, are also subject to the monomajority, so here also the public position should be very firm without appeal in the transparency of the investigation process and prosecution. well, look, hmm, we have a situation where a person openly cooperates with terrorists. i mean that particular deputy in that month in of a full-scale invasion, they are excluded from the faction there, they say that they will somehow investigate and so on, you say the question, look how this person worked for so long and the

security service, there were no problems, but maybe the security service was not engaged in the same tasks that she had among herself put maybe you shouldn't run after him when he helps the army and maybe you should look into those who were closest and unfortunately those who were closest were not taken into account at all because it was one team i think that for the things that are happening, the team must be responsible . well, we understand that the process of cleaning up the government and cleaning up ukrainian politics will continue and will continue and that this process actually continued like this but it is good that in march of this year the law on the criminal liability for collaborationism, in particular, if we talk about the case of kovalev and others, and here we see that there is a political will to fight against collaborative activities, and in particular some

politicians, and it is being carried out, so let's to proceed to the results of the actual session of the parliament and er this is also important here, there is also er criticism, well, in particular, er people's deputy of er ukraine yaroslav zheleznyak emphasizes that a record number of simple bills er failed er 18% of that what was on the agenda, it was not considered, it was not adopted, however, a number of draft laws were nevertheless discussed and adopted, and important draft laws and resolutions, some of them were sent for a repeated second reading, let's listen to olga vysylevska smaglyuk, which actual changes

introduced by the legislators will be even more tangible for the citizens in this time of war. i am asking ms. olga yes, thank you ms. maria, i would like to comment that it is very good that european solidarity monitors what is happening in the service of the people and gives it an assessment. i would like to be not only a servant of the people but other factions of the verkhovna rada also looked at themselves from the middle and engaged in self-cleansing, we had more than a few e-e cases and even statements by law enforcement agencies about the illegal enrichment of other e-e deputies of the verkhovna rada, including of european solidarity eh undeclared estates were found in spain and so on if possible, i would like to look at myself as well eh because it concerns the issue of condemning someone eh and in such a way you know not a civilized way to give an assessment eh colleagues, let's also look globally and at all people's deputies, everyone

has questions that everyone can ask, so mrs. sofia, with respect to some of the paphos members of your faction, those who made a significant contribution to our future victory. things that you need to ask yourself and look in the mirror more often about work because i don't want us to drag this discussion through the rest of our conversation we don't want to become a platform for uh political quarrels like during war but still it's important to put the dots here and let's give each after 20 seconds of commentary , we will let off a steam and leave. next, we will communicate constructively only about the events in the parliament and this saturday, what was possibly adopted or what our viewers are waiting for when they hear about it. also, if we always respond to

attacks, these previous theses, then, this will not be quite, not quite right, because it will blur the accents, give us 15 seconds, ms. sofia, 15 seconds , ms. olga, let's exhale . it is as if we were wedged into the next topic, so let's close this topic , ms. sofia, did you want to add something? please, and then, can i comment on the things you reproached the people's deputies for european solidarity, this is absolutely a lie, and i think that in the future it will be possible prosecuting those directly responsible for defamation was done, as it was once condemned, in particular, in the bbc, for defamation, but it is strange to me when this is said by a person who should be responsible for the fact that he urged people not to leave buchi when there was such a difficult situation and maybe mrs. olya well, you i would have to go to the church and repent for the fact that because of your calls to leave many people could simply not

have time to leave buchi, where this liquidation and such a difficult situation happened, that's why i'm closing your topic i am asking you to also think about your responsibility, as for calls not to leave, you can see what the general staff said, you can see what the supreme commander-in -chief said, what the dead man said ms. sofia, let's take turns i am asking you to my constituents, i am recruiting you first - i didn't interrupt, so i'll start, you can continue, yes, read some books on ethical behavior, and as for the calls not to leave, we can see what the mayors of the city said, and how they commented on the events in the first elections and as for me personally as a people's deputy elected for the 96th district, all the issues related to the evacuation of buses and so on, all this happened with my direct participation, unlike you, so

thank you for your attention and you are not distorting anything please, because it will also be too much to bring to justice. well, for the sake of fairness, i will say that sofya fedina regularly participates in volunteer initiatives and helps the front. so, let's not move on to to insult each other's personalities. i think that everyone here is in the same camp, the camp that works for the victory of ukraine, and let's put an end to this discussion. ms. olga, i ask you to comment on the events in the parliament, let's literally give 2 minutes, and then ms. fedina, let's move on to the main thing. the main thing is what actually of those draft laws will be felt by ukrainian citizens in the conditions of war. let 's try to distinguish what is actually constructive, what happened in the ukrainian parliament this saturday. worthy of having thank you, as for the

draft laws, i would like to cross out the actions that we are directly engaged in. i and our sub-committee, first of all, it concerns the fact that the collectors, er, this draft law was adopted at the request of military personnel who have financial debts institutions in order for them to limit communication with collection companies with e-e- loan taxes so that they are not disturbed at the front , that is, this bill concerns the first line of military personnel who have such debts collectors and financial institutions have been put on a moratorium on communication with them for the period of martial law and six months after the end of martial law. that is, all debt collectors, what financial debts they have, are transferred, and interest on them is not paid

to this period, which i have already pointed out in relation to the draft laws on global and hmm, the task of the european union as a candidate country, then it concerns precisely the distortion and cleaning of the register of final beneficial owners it is precisely to look more carefully at who is marked as the final invention of the theater by this or that company in order to first of all delete from them possible beneficiaries from the russian federation in order to facilitate future confiscation confiscation property and assets of the aggressor country, and secondly, clearing the register of final beneficiaries is a requirement so that we, as a candidate country for the european union, can fulfill the important things contained in the fifth directive of the

european union on combating money laundering funds obtained from criminal activities and i am sure that this part of the law will be implemented and we will move on to the implementation of the fifth eu directive on the fight against money laundering and financing of terrorism ms. fedina, please take the floor and let's separately mention about e what is the fact that the early termination of the powers of the people's deputy of ukraine novinskyi was supported by the ukrainian parliament with 295 votes what does this mean, what kind of event is this ? opinion according to the opinion of your faction, i also ask for your comment, well, probably about the news one - you can comment on it. as the chairman of the verkhovna rada, andriy parubiy, once said in the previous, get away from

me evil spirits, well, the parliament got rid of one of the most frequent, unfortunately, we still have, in particular, from the opzzhchno code still a lot of all kinds of unclean things that have now been repainted, unfortunately, some former servants have also been excluded from the servant of the people faction. they have also joined this association of post-opzzhny. i think that there should be the same in competent structures to consider these issues. unfortunately, novinsky is now declaring that he will now massively help the church of the front and so on. i think that they should be responsible for the fact that they drew the troops of the moscow federation here and that they were building an agent network for after all , at the time, the security service of ukraine did not pay attention to the last three years, in fact, the dynamo, but this process has gone, i hope that others will follow it, but now if we talk about important things, i also support that, apart from the fact that many draft laws went to e- is repeated the first repeated second reading, except that part of

the draft laws were in such a state that it was not possible to vote on them at all, some important things were adopted, and in particular, for me personally, such an important point is the provision of additional security guarantees for journalists working in the combat zone actions because we all remember under what danger in particular they are in. and that the troops of the moscow federation are specially working on journalists and medics, provoking our army and exacerbating the situation. i would also like to note in particular, according to our humanitarian and information policy committee, these are draft laws that concern the protection of children's rights in times of war, and in particular, according to the mechanism of how these children can all go abroad at a certain moment for rehabilitation for rest, even if they are in a war zone, and what are the guarantees their return, what are the guarantees for their parents and so on, this is all ensured well, but i would like to note one more interesting moment that

we have now observed in the verkhovna rada, we have a lot of news in the final days of the session if under draft laws that are positioned as european integration have very strange norms sewn into them, such as bringing everything in our country under excise duty and european integration bills that are brought to the floor very often do not have the conclusion of the european integration committee because they simply have n't had time to consider them yet and that's just such things, such small details they are essentially sabotaging our approach to eu membership and we appealed to the verkhovna rada regarding the inadmissibility of such a practice and still work at the level of the european union countries regarding the transparency of the legislative procedure, thank you we will pay special attention to this and it is really important. thank you to our guests sofia fedina olga vasylevska-smagliuk, the people's deputies were our guests on this slot of our broadcast.