immediately on the european continent for a month or two or three theoretically yes, but then we will have to uh, this gas that uh, was supplied to the european union, just smoke, that is, smoke money, throwing away heaters , the environment, i don’t think that the gas exchange is such idiots who will allow just smoking there is not enough money there is a critical lack for the further development of the gas infrastructure and the support of the gas extraction projects of the russian federation we do not have much time left to volodymyr omelchenko directs a few other questions, mr. volodymyr, from finland and sweden. for a step towards joining nato, they have already surely understood that this will happen in the near future, and diplomat pavlo klimkin reminds that the scandinavian countries, together with the usa and canada, are leaders in researching the arctic for new sources of

energy resources, do you see a possibility that we may be standing on the threshold of a new energy revolution before the russian means of energy blackmail will simply lose their power, please, it is difficult to say. i know that russia itself has a program for research and development of the arctic by 2000 this program is in the 45th year because there are very large reserves of hydrocarbons on the arctic shelf of russia, they amount to more than 100 billion conventional units of fuel, so russia is very actively engaged in this issue and invests heavily in research and development there in the kara sea, there in the barents sea, recently recently near taimyr island, a very

large hydrocarbon deposit was discovered there, so i would say that what i think is the most abundant reserves in the arctic is russia, although norway also has quite a few you have reserves and you know that russia is currently pursuing an aggressive policy towards norway and between these countries. i think a very powerful struggle for arctic resources will unfold. in addition, it must be taken into account that gradually these resources will become more accessible because the climate is warming. and the warming of the climate will still allow developing these resources in a cheaper way, therefore, in principle, in fact, the arctic shelf is a fairly

promising region, which means the development of energy resources, therefore, it will be sharpened a very tough fight, the energy expert and deputy director of the scientific and technical center of psyche and volodymyr melnychenko, the director of energy programs of the razumkov center, were our guests. well, let's talk a little about such things as the decentralization of local self-government, and we have a very good interlocutor specifically for this, this is yuriy hanushchak, director of the institute for the development of the territory, by the way, i was in lugano, switzerland. and if i'm not mistaken, yuriy , have a good day. good afternoon, actually, i'm glad to see you . in particular, i met with such a story as, let's say. let 's start with how, in your opinion,

the reform of decentralization manifested itself during the war, how effectively the communities work, and the question will be in this, too, that and to what extent it arose is also a big problem that sometimes as a result of doc in particular decentralization or as a result of decentralization and in some communities such small mini-dictatorships are still formed at the most different levels when, for example, there is a mayor or a village head, in fact, if he usurps the power and well, this is how the usurpation of power happens in the country when , for example, the mass media disappear there, and in the institutions - some kind of siloviz, ties with the supreme ruler sprout there, it's all in mine, such a miniature skill, in fact, sometimes it is realized in different communities, that's what it's like a side effect decentralization, how to deal with this too, there are two such questions in one, well, first of all, the first question, how did it

manifest itself, well, the most vivid argument can be that if in the 14th year the state made a bet on the owners of the territory, well, the same kolomoisky in the dnipropetrovsk region, which is directly headed by oda, now the bet is placed precisely on the city heads, on the heads of communities, and the most striking example is vilkul, who was considered pro-russian and he sent his party colleague to follow the russian ship. from the point of view of common sense in the city, he is the tsar and god. well, the resources are not limited, in fact very weak

control by the state, and who is he under putin? well, the protégé is here today, tomorrow he is not, that's why they fought, the mayors fought, er, very seriously so that the enemy does not enter and they have their main resources - this is the speed of response, because the state does all this very slowly, that is, even when it comes to the fact that it is necessary to immediately install engineering structures so that the tanks do not enter, well, that is, it was done by, in fact, communal equipment did city ​​well, of course, the military there indicated where and how, but it’s the speed of response afterwards. the same communication between city mayors, how to organize corridors there, well, all official corridors usually ended with a letter. and those that were unofficial, well, well, they just worked

completely, even completely, it will give birth normally, well, plus , well, the very arrangement of the same refugees or internally displaced people, well, it was taken on by the local self -government, now the second question regarding the authoritarian authoritarianization of, well, the management the fact that the authoritarian system is embedded in the constitution because it says direct elections of the mayor, he heads the executive body of the council well, he thinks that he is the head, in fact the council is, well, the councilors, this is the problem of the king and god, and in principle why so the territorial reform went well, because everyone made a fiefdom for themselves from the point of view of the country's development. well, when it comes to authoritarianism in the person of the president, i.e. the first person, it must be

balanced by authoritarianism at the local level, and in the 14th year there was a question what should these be the owners of the regions books are now 1,400. this is much better than er than 25 who blackmail the state and everything a- er er that you can deal with authoritarianism. well, in principle, you can if you adopt a law er about local state administrations 4298 number which has been around for a long time lies and where is the established system of monitoring and control of the support of local self-government, well , until recently, uh, of course, uh, local self-government, it uh, so induced the adoption of this law. serious

resources as a result of the budget e-e reform p yuriy decentralization and there are some other ways to develop as in medieval europe only very quickly only very quickly some communities choose their own rights and so on and so on i understand whether there are in principle, it’s just that these verticals that reach, for example, to the president or to the cabinet of ministers, they arouse suspicion in me because we saw how it worked under kuchma, how it worked under yanukovych, when it was always these verticals that were used specifically for some presidential vertical are there any other ways that are more democratic and liberal? in order to somehow strengthen, just always strengthen the opposition, for example, to such a prince at the local level . at the local level, can there be a shield system, for example, with a very strict rotation for all

the officials of the power bloc so that they have time to get overgrown with these e-e connections, a university in france where there is a rigid system, this system is also vertical there, i know that even the director of the post office, even we see from the movies even an artist worked there for a couple of years by mail in one department of france, and then after a couple of years he ended up in a completely different department of france, even so, are such safeguards also taken into account and can they be applied well, look in the draft law about local state administrations as of september. exactly what you are talking about was laid down, that is, the heads of the state administration were subject to rotation in a mandatory manner, well, that means they were not fired, that means they were transferred to another place, and it could be a maximum of three years in one place, plus uh, mandatory education plus uh, special reserves

, that is, selection, that is, a rather serious thing that is anti-corruption in nature and ensures that there should be professionalism, but at the last stage, uh the president's administration said its words, and how is it, er, well, yes, it is written in the constitution that they er represent the executive power on the basis of traditions from the soviet union, those who rule only sit on banks, and those who sit on hrushevskyi are they must be beaten with a screen, these are boys for beating . and you are going to directly implement the constitution, well, that is until the question of who is running the state is resolved, more precisely, that i am the executive power, because it is clear that in times of war, the commander-in-chief must play

the main role, but the commander-in-chief does not mean the executive power, that is, it is still necessary to solve this issue until it is solved, all that you propose well, all this is, uh, well, temples on the sand well, i understand that, uh, really, when the system is made leaders who are representatives of the state and not the president and the state on the ground, and they are the only ones who are blameless, and blamelessness is defined by professionalism and guaranteed by professionalism and rotation, so then we can talk about a certain balance on the part of local self-government, which one should not dig in and swim behind buoys defined by law there and so the limits are now very huge, i.e. freedom, the possibility of self-realization

is no longer enough well, but some mayors think that this is not enough and a little more is needed well , because they are the king of god well, do you remember there was such a lozinsky, who shot a man there, and now he is the head of the community. well, the thing was thrown into the river. that's why i say it again, it's a fundamental issue. the question is to determine that the heads of the state administration are the nomenclature of the government. the president only consecrates them. the appointment and makes sure that the government does not politicize this position. thanks to specific poland, where the voivode gives nightmares to the local self-government bodies, where the political coloring is not the same as that of the government, that's why the scheme in principle, how it was built,

the french scheme in essence, it corresponds to the constitution, but i don't like it office of the president. well, this is the scheme. we will wait. the mayors of chernihiv and mykolaiv , which since the beginning of the war have been subjected to the most massive attacks from the air by the enemy and will continue to suffer the most insidious attacks on july 2, were able to leave for luhano. the mayor of chernihiv, vladislav atroshenko, was not allowed to cross the border. he was going to a conference on july 4 in switzerland, and after that, the deputy head of the president's office kyryla tymoshenko hinted to the mayor of chernihiv that the city would do without him, and the mayor of mykolaiv, oleksandr zinkevich, said during the briefing that he was supposed to be at the conference on the issue of restoration, however, it was not missed at the border, what can we say about this obvious

conflict between the local authorities elected by the residents of some cities that today suffer from russian missile attacks by the central government, what are the risks for our democracy for the country, please, look, i am i state the legislative global problems that, after this unequivocal result, are expressed in the specific examples that you give. well, you can consider it, you can criticize it, but from the point of view of export, it will still be, well, no systemic approach, i.e. politicians can say yes, these people are disagreeable to the president or a specific official from the president's office does not like it, i say that the system is laid in ukraine , when you are the president, or rather, the president's officials

can afford to do this and want to legalize it now, in fact, in the law 42.98 well, she allows such cases and this is already a question of the mass media, uh, well, without expressing their uh, uh, impressions on this, uh, well, on this matter well, but i say once again that the adoption of even a reduced form of the law that how the representative of the state acts in the territory is already much better because i looked at the documents well, i took part in their development, e.e. lugano, regarding the territorial organization of the authorities, well, in terms of local self-government there, the main things are the end of the administration and reforms, that is, streamlining

in general the legislation on the administration of devices plus , the position that finally appears in the program document is very important for local self-government, it is the bringing of resources to the powers of local self-government, that is, the definition of clear rules of the game if this is implemented, it will be a very serious thing. well, no, unfortunately, they threw out such a position, which is called the separation of administrative and political bodies into administrative ones - this is the same mayor who is political - this is the council, that is, there must be a balance, now this balance is violated, and it is fundamentally violated, we have what is well, it is possible that it is temporary and the council of europe indicates that recently adopted laws can only be temporary - these are laws that give the

mayor virtually unlimited powers and he can don't go to the meeting, i, you, i, you, i regret it all, all this needs to be balanced by the same state administration, and yurem should very clearly formalize their powers , because in the absence of this formalization, now there are cases when i am informed that the head the state administration, uh, this uh, issued an act according to which all rural communities are obliged to agree with them, uh, there is the agenda of the session there, and so on, decisions and the like. well, anti-constitutional and they say and we are written in the constitution to ensure legality and order provision by the law is not defined, therefore, by our act of full membership in european

joint enterprises, i am absolutely happy in this sense, i still hope that, unlike the kyiv visas, the european visions are such that the provision of this assistance in our country will be clearly connected is connected with the progress of the organization's advancement, the legislation towards the european union. so we will not turn away from all this, otherwise we simply will not see the money. they thank you for this conversation . and right now we are moving on to another guest of our air, iryna vertos, a journalist, a human rights activist and a forced displaced person, please contact us. we congratulate irya. good day. good day. professionally in denmark, mrs. irina, tell your story. where are you from? what

did you do and live until february 24? what is your experience of the war ? how did you end up in denmark ? the opportunity to talk about really important things until february 24, i actually had everything like many families, i would say that in most families in ukraine, i had actions, family, work, recognition , my favorite work, my public experience, i wrote a lot about human rights and constantly talked about the fact that friends are not silent, if something worries you, you know that you are right, please, you have your rights to protect and stand up and be where you should be 24, that's what you worked with. i worked mainly with people who have limited mobility, that is people from

disability, people with temporary health problems, i wrote about mothers with small children, i wrote about the same people, refugees in ukraine, internally displaced people in ukraine, that is, for me, the topic of resettlement to refugees and on february 24 was professional interest, i wrote about it professionally. yes, i am nobody. let's say that iryna vertosu is the editor-in-chief of the human rights information center website, a journalist and the coordinator of a journalistic network, who actually worked professionally in journalism for many years and devoted attention to the topics of human rights protection , please continue. yes, i was the editor-in-chief. i have this experience, and later i also organized actions and protests. now you see on the screen this action is a sign of support for people with disabilities, that is, i lead to

the fact that moving to europe was not my blue a dream finally opened a window of opportunity i took my 4-year-old child by the hand and crossed the border anywhere to be safe because none of us in my family had military experience military experience as a journalist was in crimea in 2014 but it didn't affect my family at all. although i covered and wrote about it, on february 24, it personally affected my family and my little child, that's why i ended up abroad, you know there is a very important moment 90 days visa-free, i call it during the tourist period, because in fact no one touched us, we arranged ourselves as best we could and tried to adapt to the conditions, register,

legalize , each in his own country. ukraine, which is so i evacuated myself due to the war, this is a public organization of people with disabilities, faith parade, which provides evacuation to people with disabilities, in the end, when i received all the residence permits, they were legalized, i was attached to a certain administration , and i went through this period of housing and finding a kindergarten , organizing my life it is actually very difficult because in kyiv after graduating from the university i was at least 15 years old for all of this because i gradually went to this, but here i actually have 3 and 4 months 2 to find all the same things that i was 15 years old in to the native country with the native language with the native context with an understanding of what is happening around denmark is a country that fortunately speaks almost all english languages ​​for me it was a relief but

they have a strict requirement that many european countries learn the native language, their native language, the danish language and for for me, this is just the beginning of a stage, but what am i talking about when these 90 days are over? when i arrived, all these stages have already begun. as they say, they are everyday because now i am currently in the social program because i do not have the ability to rent housing on my own. and they force me to go to any job without taking into account my situation, i say force because such circumstances are created as they explain well, everything is temporary so that you have the opportunity to realize yourself and integration, i say, i don’t mind, i do n’t give up work i perfectly understand my capabilities and i will not claim to be the editor-in- chief of your newspaper because i do not have

certain competencies, but wait, but you can take into account my experience and my potential, not only for packing boxes or cleaning in hotels, and you you know, this is not only my personal problem, it shook me so much, complete strangers from spain, france, and sweden started writing to me , they wrote to me from italy that they are facing the same problems that a woman who has three degrees in sweden was forced to wash dishes and she was forced to change the country to self-sufficiency, but the country is more accessible for the formation of my acquaintance here , a new acquaintance who has two educations among them psychologically. that is, this person, what potential could be used to work with ukrainian refugees in denmark and she went to pack the boxes, they just let her go because it was no longer a village to explain what you can somehow implement it, that is, now i am at the stage i

bargained, i will take it this month so that they will leave me alone and find me the work itself. i emphasize again that i do not refuse to work here. i do not claim the order that i had in kyiv . but i know for sure that i could be useful with the english language and understanding of communication skills and understanding of refugee processes understanding of human rights, anything is such a wide frame but not only hotels, picking strawberries, packing boxes, we wish you success in finding a job that would suit you, would your qualifications suit you and finally, i want to ask, first of all, how to adjust myself psychologically, because i i see that you have a lot of strength and energy to implement changes and be an agent of change in this situation in which you found yourself and many other women and

displaced persons who are just looking for themselves and are looking for this energy and strength in order to believe in themselves i am abroad, what can you advise on how to adjust psychologically, turn to professional consultants, i definitely have psychological support now, because without it, it is very difficult, there are many problems, the second moment is to ask a lot of questions. this is true. uh, they need to answer these questions, you can’t say oh, something, you ask questions, clarify, question if possible, find a friend who can accompany you if, for example, your english is not enough or even if english is enough, you do not understand the system and study as much as possible from open sources from official data, this is the context you are really

in when we come to the local administration, some documents have been signed with them, we are talking about this is only the tip of the iceberg or behind the scenes, the unknown context remains and this you just need to prepare and i need to prepare so that later in this situation what can you not say no thank you in any case it must be said thank you iryna vertosy journalist and human rights defender was with us on connected with the data and shared their story , let's move on to several important informational messages from espresso right away. wait for a fresh news release and a continuation of the day's analytics . i have armor, you need to ask everything, there is help, and even at work, people do not work as well as they work here, support us, we stick together in unity and victory will be over there, protect them, there are many of our people who need humanitarian

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