well, it seems to me that it is important to talk about this role of maxim - it is the first and second very important thing that we can do as ukrainian journalists, it seems to me, and as human rights defenders to talk about the fact that our soldiers who are captured are primarily prisoners of war to whom all legal and medical rights should be applied and so on and up to the exchange as prisoners of war, this is a very important point. but they have the right to their guarantees as prisoners of war, what is it ? thank you very much mrs. tetyana tetyana troshchyna she the editor of the public radio joined us and the co-founder of which is actually maksym butkevich to say that the public radio is the second public radio i had the same honor to work on both teams for us er this public radio was the first founder there were more there were such and such a show serhiy and such a legendary radio

continent is probably also worth reminding briefly and sashko oleksandr kryvenko found a legendary journalist, we don’t know anything about what actually works, how, how miraculously it works to our intelligence, to our exchange center, to release these people, to release the tyra, for example, or those defenders of mariupol who managed to get out of the clutches of the enemy from the torture chambers of the occupiers, but we believe that all ukrainian patriots and opinion leaders will be freed, that these efforts will have an effect and we will find the key to freeing and maksym butkevich, we will cover this situation in the future right now, the chronicles of the information war with olga leni, after that we will return and after the news, we will communicate with internationals who are in the states bye- he is going to saudi arabia to look for weapons and support for ukraine right now olga is lazy, please, colleague, start ah good morning, now

we will even discuss with the guest how it happened and what are today's russian ideologues about this propaganda that we see so that literally for let's continue for a moment, now i want to show you a video that i think i'm showing some kind of, you know, the new state of russian society in general, and at the same time, this is the result of that russian propaganda that is constantly happening. look. because well, i think for many people it will be, you know , for some reason, even for acquaintances, maybe the stocking is not the medicine, it’s mine, i don’t know, poor people, the workers reduced them to nothing, we don’t think of them for what they are. well, don’t cry. everything will be good, necessarily . женщина

you can't hurry, but you have to be so upset and everything will be fine on tv, i'm sitting and crying and it's so pitiful. well, who stopped a little of the soviet union ? it can be right away. niggers, blacks who don't have enough to eat against the background of the fact that in the country, for example, you can't buy decent shoes , this is something very familiar and you already know it. well, this is a parallel reality in which russian society lives in general. i personally noticed this immersion in this reality, which is on the one hand, for such an attempt to build the soviet union such a 2:0 conditionally speaking and to raise this discourse about the fact that we here, russians, are fighting nazis all over the world. i personally noticed this state. well,

around april, it was probably 2021, when it came out the first article by timofia sergiytseva on the state resource ria novosti, there was already all the usual discourse about the denazification of ukraine by the nazis, the destruction of ukrainian statehood , but then it was all there, but then in the xxi year of this well, you know, well, somehow they didn’t pay so much attention to it. that is, there specialists noted that something new had appeared, but it had not yet been widely noticed, but at the same time, in the 21st year, it became clear to me personally that the war with the russian federation was moving into some other quality and it will already be. well, some other war, and in the spring of this year there was a second article there, which was already not news, the same timofia sergiitseva, where he actually repeated all his theses from a year

ago, but there, well, with some, let's say, even greater nuances. but now and in ukraine and in the world, they noticed that the russian state agency broadcasts literally the ideology of the destruction of ukraine as such, and er, on sergeitsev, even for this, personal sanctions were later imposed. these conversations in this styles have already become common for all russian propaganda and now you hear them all the time, well, including well, when there are some inclusions from russian tv channels, we show it all, but it happened literally in a year, it turned into some kind of such, you know, very strong trash and in fact, for several months we have been listening to all this re-singing of these other theses of the spring of 21st year of this sergiytsev, and what is interesting is that the russian propagandists themselves recognize this person as something

like an ideologue. about the need for the denazification of ukraine even in april of last year, timofey and sergeyevtsev became the topic. as they say, the judge went to personal sanctions and for timofey sergeyevtsev his thoughts for europe well, a very dangerous denazification can only be carried out by the winner, which presupposes his unconditional control over the process of denazification, and the second - the power that provides such control in this regard, where the nazifiziruemye country cannot be sovereign, where the nazifiziruyusha state russia cannot be denazification from a liberal approach and dialogue 11fikatora cannot match the guilty side of the denazification italians about what everyone thinks about the terms of the terms of the denazification in

no way can i be of the same generation that should be born, grow up and reach maturity in the conditions of the publication of the nazification of ukraine continued for more than 30 years starting at least since 1989, when ukrainian nationalism received legal and legislative forms of political self-expression and led the movement for independence in striving to nazism, it is clear that journalism in russia is an instrument of collective awareness of problems and tasks , ways to strengthen the country and guarantee the future. there is a huge range of opinion in our country under sanctions. igor yakovenko is a journalist, the former head of the union of journalists of russia, a teacher, a former member of the state duma, hello igor

, can you hear me? that's my first question. what do you think? we hear about denazification, it's all the nazis and so on, it was invented artificially by these people, including timofey sergiyetsev. was it some kind of deep question and well, it arose, let's say so, in the kremlin, regardless of what you think. can i ask you to ask me questions on русском языке i certainly understand the general meaning, but i would like to be precise. that's what i'll repeat. and this is ukraine. what do you think of this? this is exactly what sergeitsev and his group introduced into the russian discourse and made it so . now a leading trend or is it still something that matured er and was invented somewhere, well, literally well, by some er

russian politicians, what do you think, you know the question that you put as the name of your program er he uh, it's not that simple because, uh, for several centuries, for russia and imperial russia and the soviet union, uh, there was this imperial syndrome - this is the main basic condition of mass consciousness. russia, uh, imperial syndrome of russia, empire means a match russia to the whole world the chapter and so on, ah, this is the fundamental basis of the mass political consciousness of russians. the slightly transforming 74 years of

soviet power existed, and then this imperial syndrome, the basic basis of optical consciousness , did not fall asleep for long in yeltsin's russia during the middle of the first period yeltsin's rule, she was dozing. and i, she was not so clearly expressed and she did not manifest herself as a carpenter , but she was dozing, she appeared nowhere, then she would come to power, and she managed to wake up the imperial syndrome and transform it into an openly fascist syndrome. yes , just the same, and not without anyone who is higher, without any references to the metaphor, this is simply frankly fascist, fascist consciousness. is it the consciousness of dialogue? ideologies, this is unique fascism without ideology, because ideology is still an image of the future, except for hatred, except

for debilitation, er , destruction of consciousness. contains some glimpses and geologists, pay attention constantly for 20 years, 23 years of the putin regime, 100 wobbler is constantly playing on the tv, well , give us the dialogue at the end, and in this he shouts eh and there eh solovyov and kiselyov and that's it the rest these are the people who are the main piters , give us an ideology urgently. thick-skinned, but in any case, there is nothing of this, that is, in fact, this is the formation of hatred for the whole

world, hatred, first of all, for ukraine, of course, the xenin state of america to the west and complete debilitation. at the moment it is the highest rating on russian tv, eh, i think you will never guess, so this is nikita mikhalkova ’s besagon tv, he takes the first place in the list of the most rated programs and uh, mrkobessia because, despite the fact that yes indeed, nakovessia is present there, she had to have the most characters there, but nevertheless, they still try to stay there, well, at least they don’t say that the earth flat means there, there, it exists, it’s just a separate case. but mikhalkov always has this, that’s full of mekobishke, he constantly

er-er uses it all er-er about what er-er means marlin er-er albright said that it should be taken away россии себе межад well here is a long, long time ago divorced fairy who well he didn't say this um- m-m means it's the case nevertheless eh besogon now still uses these things and he has them constantly. meter tone means eh such a mustached man is not young, er, it causes sympathy, and this is really true, that’s it. well, what is called, eh ? indeed, this is a complete copy of drug addiction, such an information addiction, when the logic of drug addiction is constantly moving to a more difficult drug, and this means the

degradation of the same ones baskobeeva solovyov kiseleva, it is connected with the needs of the population that part is about half of the population, half of the population of russia, who demand more and more of the drug, and what's more, when this drug is not very well served or sold there, maybe in general form, then there is outrage. and what the hell, for example, am i watching in that, members of the diacritics, i follow not only the programs themselves, but also the comments, that's when there was such a ukrainian by the call of kovtun well, don't they know this character - this is a special person who performed the role of a spittoon, he came in order for the program to be spat at him, all of you like that if i represent ukraine so to

speak this is a person who played a very important role in shaping the perception of russians about how stupid ukraine is, how insignificant it is, and so on. that is, people longed for it. he will come to the change of hair, uh, i think that he has been rooted in the leaders of the programs for a long time. this is monstrous servitude, lewdness and rudeness, that's why there is no cossack, there is no word, you are a drug, he is such a person, he is online, this is so, a recommendation, yes, and such a fundamentality

. it indeed, you already understand this. well, this is the problem, so to speak, the long-term existence is already a river of change. he is a world record holder in the guinness book of records. the record holder and he definitely twisted a little yes, that is, he is constantly he is already howling on the air well, i will not test eh he says what kind of hulk is he trying to somehow even the conclusion somehow in to this продуктся ранчесь, he was less immersed in all of this, he still forcefully bends and, in principle, there is such a feeling that he is just pretending, that is, hm, he is not sincere. that's how

you know the stalislav phrase i look and i don't believe , i don't believe i, i can ask, i will put in the place of er, so to speak, agatelykh impersov, agaltelyh er, for putintsov, and here are some sensations of the fact that from whom well, he openly frowns mikhalkov iskernyn he is also an actor there already eh, still eh solovyov is trying to act, but he is at a bad lyceum mikhalkov is not a good actor in the past, that's why it turns out to be quite convincing . so soloviev is gradually coming down, so to speak, but in general, the program remains terrible. the second place is taken by the moscow kremlin . putin is a terrible propaganda program that shows every movement. yes, how much is putin? there he went to the toilet, how putin had breakfast, how putin met the

milkmaids , the pig farmers, that means all the flight attendants and so on a perfect cult is a cult of personality and here memories of stalinism are definitely alive memories of very few people who lived so to speak in a vocal state in stalin's time, however historical memory was wounded the cure for this is imperial consciousness that the imperial consciousness envisages the cult of personality, it is necessarily an attribute of the imperial consciousness, of course, war, and here it is. it is even more unclear that the tail actually commands the dog, because this is the special feature of this unique the history of the phenomenon that is represented by the owl, er, this is the construction of putin's information army, it is unique, it means that it exceeds vasyl's influence and a day without sumy propaganda, and er, during the stalin period, and it has special features, including, and it means not a degree of autonomy. yes, there

is a machine that moves, yes, of course, the main one is set by the vector, without any doubt, but there is an internal logic, and in a significant part of cases, it happens that, let's say this, this, this propaganda programs, they are criticizing you, the appointed officials of the kremlin, of course , putin is a taboo, they stand on a certain side, first of all, this party of war is the party of war, they are very much ready to greek the government, please, please, here is the party of war, that is they are actually, so to speak, i am with such a self-propelled machine that pushes, including the kremlin , the next scalatsy, that is, this feature has never been imagined in the history of the soviet union to for example, some correspondent of pravda or such central television came out at a meeting of the supreme council and poked a member of the supreme council with his finger that he needed to be done, and

solovyov did so. so it's hard for me not to notice that there are some phrases that repeat everything in unison well, here's a tracing paper and it happens, there are some that have been there for a month and very often you can notice it when a new topic has arisen and literally here you turn on one program, the second, the third, the fourth, and everyone says the same thing, and it’s like here, uh, well, it’s clear that it ’s written somewhere and it’s still you. well, these theses are being distributed literally in the sense of the word, just well they are physically distributed and in this connection i wonder who does it how is it done because uh, you know, regardless of what uh, that's how a marriage on russian television would have been for several years now, but you can even notice

the difference between er, at the beginning of 2021, for example that's what we have now, the discourse is a little different . you will hear there some independent republics in donbass. you see now that the discourse is almost complete , and other people came, and you moved out, and disappeared, and surkov rose to kiriyenko after this, or in parallel with it, this discourse genatsification of the nazis arose, and here are some such completely well so with all these signs similar to the swastika, with all these signs, that is, a completely different style , and i still associate it with people who work around kyrienko. how do you

think this is legal ? tell those about the length of the leash. there are methods and there are instructions and from whom and so on, but i am speaking from the line of the leash, well, let’s say that compared to the soviet union and nazi germany, the leash has become much longer, that is, they are on a leash . there is no doubt , but this longer leash they have the opportunity to maneuver there because they can install themselves there on the clay side on

the side of the war party against, for example then the seven give some kind of internal small freedom of maneuver, they choose what, er, poets have internal logic, and taurus will be this, personally, i do not notice, er, some kind of non-party war on russian television now. well, there are no such wars because all the television is on the side of the war party, but in russian politics there are a lot of people, and the top of the russian government, which is the war , it is the throat of the oppressing majority, because they have become much worse to live, and they all understand that this is all over. that's bad number in the generatite and that's why it means they in general, in fact, they would like to say that this war would not have happened, that it had not started, that it would have ended , and that's what they want. i'm saying that

only the party of war is represented on the tv. why is the rhetoric? hm , it means i'm saying it again. it's the length of the leash, because there's internal logic from the tv itself. the viewers demand more and more. you want a bigger drug. the will of a heavy drug is the same, and so on. once i say a looking machine, it means not degrees, although the program is definitely set by the cream, secondly. as for the change in rhetoric, well, it is related to different things, first of all, first of all, the financing of the information troops increased three times, three times, that is, for comparison and financing of the armed forces increased by 11%. on 11 and here they insert three times from this it is clear that putin's main resource for putin is the main resource tv in fact, ego, so to speak, it means that it is not based on degrees, yes, it is definitely based on the security forces

, the fsb guards, the federal security service, and so on, but on tv it has all kinds of sovmy. and therefore, this is the financing, people earn their bread, and it has increased three times, and in addition что что важное есть временняя компениция attention now is a clear competition between all tv presenters and officials in who is more, er, yara, who hates more , who hates ukraine more, who hates the west more, america, and so on, well, bright examples of medvedev, this is a plush toy, so to speak, a mouse that, at the same time, hired people considered liberals, here he is now perfectly fit and vomits, god knows that he is competing with the most ardent carrots that strive to destroy ukraine. it's a demand to stay in your place under the conditions of this competition, i forgot

who is more likely to spit on ukraine in inquiries so on это всё внутреннее провертания внутри телевизор, who uh-uh, uh-uh, it's hotter than that, do you remember the movie cilantro, for which uh-uh, where did they say that uh-uh, i'm there, uh, i love dicks, and i love dicks even more. yes, that 's them competed in their love and the deputy. but here people are increasingly jealous not only of putin's love but also of hatred and hatred of the rest of the world. again, this is internal logic from this media field , of course. there is a minute left. and tell me. well, there is such a thing the point of view of which well, how would you vyravalize matesnyder who says that in fact they do not need to save any face of

putin because at any moment he can declare his victory, withdraw the army and say that this was a victory a- and on the other hand, well, it’s also interesting, but what you’re saying is that there is an internal request of the russian society for this, this, and so on. is it possible to turn it off in the same way as it was included? and how much it is it is possible to do it quickly. it is not possible to do it quickly. to a significant degree, russian politics is a hostage to what she advised. this is how to say a monster, and i am more than that. i am convinced if and when. the army will liberate the kherson region, then it will be very difficult to explain it on tv, it will be very difficult, and it will advise a sharp increase in the conditional army of putin's opponents who criticizes putin for insufficient

cannibalism. a vivid example of this is a terrorist gyrkin, who openly criticizes putin for the fact that he does not have enough people, that he has not yet destroyed ukraine, here is the army, these are the critics of putin. at this moment, he will grow very much, so i think that putin will have serious problems here, in that members on the information front, well k unfortunately, we have to say goodbye ah, well, that’s how you understand your words, eh, and well, about the fact that the society actually needs some well, i don’t know, well, really, where is the rashization, probably in such a way? well, thank you, it was igor yakovenko, his e well, look at what is happening in russia and how it is happening, here is how the dialogue of racism develops, who is promoting it. thank you all, we

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