and what exactly are the challenges here for the world and for ukraine? andres umland continues. partners eh, how would you explain that at the moment these negotiations do not have yet ukrainian tanks to moscow and a chto ukraine pobeda was necessary in ukraine in order for putin's negotiations to make sense, or to turn into such a city, minsk 3

, where the negotiations will be held again. in the west, many people want negotiations, and they have died, and some kind of agreement, but for the west, it is impossible to explain why it is impossible. it seems to me that it is not enough . just talk about the ukrainian victory. you need to tell exactly what the ukrainian victory means . e under what conditions can ukraine go on the basis of negotiations, look at this question, because you in some way conveyed my question. over this barbaric barbarism of russia, so in the context of the war in russia in ukraine, how can the victory

of ukraine and the loss of russia look like, and the ukrainian position is changing and will change here at the very least, it should be at least necessary in order to go through such negotiations at this moment, of course, this is impossible. well, a long time ago , even such a figure as an investment already said that, in principle, the god of negotiations or some kind of birth of conflicts is preliminary but only possible under the condition that who eh at

least and in our ministry of defense in the main intelligence management about what our task is the return of our territories yes and we clearly understand how we see our victory that is, the return of our territories and this is a very, very high and impregnable price on the border with russia and belarus until they are democratized, they will not change, but we understand in the context of what is happening now within the borders of the state that this is a prospect perhaps not even one hundred years ago this is how it is, that is, the return of our territories, we do not forget to say every day that crimea is ukraine donbass is ukraine but how to get to of this point, uh, the situation when it is possible to go to the negotiations,

uh , we are in march, whenever february 23, er, now, this may be impossible, but er, for the west, i think he will look for someone, of course, some intermediate solutions, and there is no waiting for that, and until there is no movement, there is no regime in russia and there will not be eh, look at krym, the main thing is that in the west, every time they remember that these are intermediate solutions - this is still a rollback because putin still won't stop in his demands, he will want all of ukraine and ukraine is not his ultimate goal, so we also understand that the world would have stopped putin a long time ago if it would not have been the nuclear weapons that russia had accumulated, in particular, it had taken away from the former soviet union

republics, among which ukraine security was guaranteed by the budapest memorandum. teaches him so, please share your conclusions , i.e. exactly how it looks and what moscow has taught the states that do not have nuclear weapons, this is the name of one of your recent articles russia does not only have nuclear weapons, but russia is allowed by an official nuclear proliferation treaty here they are and this is already er ukraine not ukraine not only does not have nuclear weapons ukraine is also prohibited from having nuclear weapons therefore the treaty therefore this er attack of russia on ukraine carries er

packets are far away go go tomorrow do in atoshke europe and because this is converting the logic of this non-proliferation of nuclear weapons because eh, if eh turns into a treaty, it is an instrument for the distance between the territories of nuclear states, when surveyors of non-nuclear states will ask themselves a question, such people in ukraine now give a question and why me we have an uncle for weapons, it’s just an international law, you can’t behave, it seems to me that there could be an argument, uh, ukraine for that , uh, for someone, and support for ukraine, because it’s support for ukraine, it won’t be only clear support for ukraine and this will also support the logic of the regime of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons because, well, if ukraine

receives sufficient support from the west for this war, from russia as a nuclear state and official and then it will be supported by this treaty and this third - the regime of the day of exclusion, because there when other countries see that even if i have this weapon, they can count on the support of the international day. russia actually exists on the end of the day благоустроение большие последствие большие и er. thank you very much. andreas umland, a political scientist, a german analyst at the stockholm center for the study of eastern europe, joined us. well

, you know the next guest. i just want to spin it here because it is possible because of all these interruptions with in connection with this, our viewers did not quite grasp the essence of the fact that putin is actually trying to push ukraine to negotiations through the countries of the west, and is looking for all kinds of ways to make this mechanism launch to find weak points in the european union through i through energy blackmail yes through food blackmail to put us at the negotiating table in the end to temporarily sign something there and rest i think this is great news actually because if he is already looking for ways out of this situation a we, in fact, i simply sincerely do not see the space for such negotiations, and when danilov says on twitter, the secretary of the nsdc, that in fact, we have not yet started, it is not higher, no, we have not yet started, but we are already starting in a moment, you will also see the effect, and when we hit the russian weapons depots with high-mar, this is actually the most criss-cross illustration of this

picture . the elysée palace, that’s another place to try to come to an agreement with ukraine. it won’t work. we have powerful partners, and despite the energy blackmail of the kremlin, it’s so easy for them to get away with it now. we are not in touch with oleksiy dobrogo good day, i congratulate you. but we all, if you will allow , immediately with such news, which, in fact, touched everyone very much. i would also say that this is probably the main news of the political landscape - it is very unexpected, suddenly, i know from colleagues, in particular, what and for colleagues i am talking about now. i am talking about rinat akhmetov's sudden statement that he is handing over his media business or at least the licenses of all his numerous channels and so on to the state in

connection with the law on oligarchs. and that this is all a forced step. i know that even for many colleagues who worked there or what works there, i don't know, it became a big surprise, in a word, everything was very unexpected, ah, what does this mean, first of all, how do you interpret it, let's give it a real oligarchization. so, is this a positive moment, or is it a negative moment? it is only the beginning and it is not clear to carry these assets , now someone says that this is actually the beginning of the russian version of screwing up freedom of speech and we are turning into a small russia from the inside by fighting with putin different evaluations are emotional. let's try to understand the true motives of akhmetov and it may be the case. it may be related to some kind of high-speed game.

how do you perceive it? i congratulate you. well, first of all, let yakira be born with us. you apologize to oleksiy of ukraine. the leader of the voice joins us. we congratulate you. i apologize to lviv oblast. now i will turn off this program and which, by the way, does not allow you to fall asleep at the highest moment, i think that we can continue for a few more minutes, so i think that more let me then i will be quick, first i i think that, unfortunately, i said this when the law on de-oligarchization was adopted that the best way is to fight corruption. what prevents a rich person who does not have any tv channels to bribe officials if there is such a desire, and this person and the officials have a desire to take it, i said that it cannot be replace the fight against corruption with myself and, in my opinion, more important is the appointment of a prosecutor of a specialized moment of the constitutional

prosecutor's office, which we cannot do anyway. this is the first, the second, regarding this situation, we have freedom of speech in the country, well, it is probably right before our eyes at first they saw a marathon there, but there, for example, the same ukraine appeared on youtube, now it has stopped , the sites disappear, well, football is a separate story for me, for example, my son is now older, eh, he is a big fan of football there, eh, he is still a teenager, but he already has a shock and big worries, i think that millions of ukrainians today also have worries about how they will watch football, their favorite game, and how everything will be done in the state. it seems to me that this is exactly what we are seeing now, evidence that the law on deoligarchization that was adopted it is formal, it is formal. it allows solving the issue of influence on the media, but it does not

actually change the key problems, i.e. once again the key problem is corruption, so i will say that um, i, uh, look very cautiously at the consequences of this step, i don’t i can say that i believe that we won some kind of victory now because i did not understand who defeated whom. thousands of people lost their jobs. millions of people lost the opportunity to watch football where there is no politics at all. is controlled by the exclusive power, we are fighting with russia not only for our independence, we are also fighting for our difference from them and this freedom is human rights, this is the rule of law, this is democracy, and the bottom stone of democracy is freedom of speech, so i will tell you honestly, i am worried about what now it's happening well, i would like more clarification, i 'm waiting for some further information, but in general

, the situation is like a challenge, let's listen to the leadership, the only thing that wants to quote our journalist colleague myroslava barchuk, who writes in her to the blog that the situation with the ukraine media group is exacerbating the problem, etc. the authorities continue to think in the totalitarian paradigm of state-controlled television and turning off the fifth channel live espresso from the digital air during the war through a quote from the office of the president poroshenko's narcissism only continues the logic of such thinking and this is definitely not where oligarchization media that we wanted, now it is important to have a balanced and frank talk about how to preserve independent media and freedom of speech, that is, how to preserve mrs. kira and what are the risks for of democracy in this situation, what can and should be done now to ensure media diversity and to preserve freedom of speech? well, should we expect true de-oligarchization, yes, we are talking about it and we

talked about it before in the context of actually leaving the parliament drawing up a mandate by businessman and mp vadim-nevinskyi, now we see that there is already the next such powerful, very noticeable step for ukrainians, as the separation of akhmetov from his media empire, what is next? what risks are there ? i think that everyone will agree with me here that the state is not an effective owner of the media and will never be able to fully ensure the pluralism of opinions by itself . we can especially see this in the steps to close broadcasting for the fifth espresso and direct channels. therefore, now mr. akhmetov's steps, they are well, i ca n't say that they are predictable, but they are quite logical. the media market in ukraine is now at its lowest point. let's say that

there are enough risks for him to get some additional profit. well, it also does not look like it it is possible that in the near future what the state should do now, well, first of all, it is to change the concept of the bill on the oligarch, on the oligarchs, with the changes proposed by the venice commission. i completely agree with mr. oleksii and his colleague, who says that the problem in the problem with corruption is that the problem is not that the oligarch wants or can control certain channels, he will be able to do it through the second hand. similarly, you can influence political parties in 2-3 years, the problem is that that in there are a huge number of corrupt

officials, a huge number of opportunities to have such an influence, and it is necessary to concentrate precisely on the fight against corruption and on the fight against those who are these corruptions. look, everything we have now has essentially been transferred to the state assets that will now need to be kept in some way in the state and how to do it, i will remind you of this event, which is already today's morning address, explains what was transferred allegedly only the active license still remains in question. that is, licenses can be disposed of in different ways, they can then come to someone else, but the property itself is the same tv channels as active. they remain the property of the oligarch, we also heard statements that er, scm and channels will work on the polish market, so i am sure that everything that can be

sold will either be transported or sold. the question is what will happen to the media market in ukraine, what information and how will our citizens receive it, and are we really not moving? we are now in the direction of little russia, as i think it is impossible to defeat russia by trying to build a small copy of russia in ukraine, and i said it will not be possible. i apologize to the guests for the short conversation. the air alarm is sounding now . please come to the shelter oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, what rea rudyk, people's deputy of ukraine were our guests, we will be back in a moment after a few informative messages from espresso, we will work live , the closing

is very important in this difficult time to be aware of what is happening, we tell the news and help to understand the events, however, the war can make its adjustments in case the broadcast

signal is lost, watch espresso on the satellite now espresso has become available immediately on on two satellites, viewers who watch our channel on the astra satellite should reset the tuner to the new parameters, because the old parameters will soon stop broadcasting espresso ukrainian view thank you for watching in fact, we are returning to our marathon, in fact , there is very little time left, which is why we moved here to the storage because of the air alarm in lviv, but we will use these few minutes. i think it will be most useful. andriy pavlyshyn, historian , tuesday, visiting literary critic and translator mr. andriy, glad to see you good day slava glory to the heroes of ukraine and actually we want to talk about the defense of shulja, i don't know can we talk about bruno faster 5 minutes well no let's try that let's try so i'll just remind you that in drohobych

the 10th international festival of bruno schulz is going on from july 12 to 17, it is called the schulz-fest, it could be 130 years old, well, it is actually the birthday of the writer and also the artist, and there is also a collection of funds for the help of the armed forces of andriy there are literally one or two questions left, i will say, i will ask from the main one, then we are here now thinking about me from the main one, we are thinking here, what about us, how we position ourselves regarding gogol , and further, if we look at bulgakov and even further, we need or do not need pushkin and so on, someone is looking for the roots of dostoyevsky there, but there is such a layer of such as was on schultz, which remains. it seems to me that little is known. why are they important? that is why they are important, how can we return them ? e russian writers e-e

artists, cultural figures, in my opinion, this is a secondary phenomenon, they have always been the epigones of europe, they tried to catch up with it, to transfer the discourses created within the framework of european culture to the imperial soil. leave it to the police and throw the rest into the trash, when something got into the magnetic field of the russian world and soviet civilization, they simply threw it out of the editorial office of the novy horizons magazine and said, "we just don't need it, we just don't need it." instead, schultz was one of the key creators e of the new european e cultural discourse and e for us polish culture is firstly close, secondly understandable or thirdly very important because it includes us e with our territory e in e very important e cultural relations

in europe, where do we want to be a part of the world that we want to become. maybe i'm explaining too complicatedly , but that's how it is. schulz is, you know. if you compare it, maybe it's a little conditional. we drive cars, we use computers there. we , uh, do a lot of things e-e drugs with the newest drugs , etc., so that they become the necessary technologies, and technologists use e-formulas and scientific laws derived by scientists e-e who work in the fundamental fields. so schultz is the kind of author who works so that later writers which non-photographers artists and other artists told the general public some stories and entertained him and made his life better. he is a writer for writers. he is someone who is very important for those who love classical music, jazz

, high art, abstractionism, the newest styles art, sculpture, etc., without this, the growth of mass culture is impossible, but mass culture is only the divergence of certain very important moments. schultz was born 130 years ago in ukraine in the city of drohobychi, which is now ukrainian and the whole world recognizes this. schulz lived on the border of several civilizations, and his spiritual homeland was german literature and philosophy. does he accept shultz, being proud of shultz as someone who lived in ukraine?

opened extraordinary horizons, and translating it into ukrainian we borrow these practices of expanding the horizons and possibilities of the language. andruhovich, who translated schultz, was fascinated and amazed by the surprise that schultz, who lived half a century before , gave him to a very experienced and already famous writer him, and besides, he lived in a ukrainian city in the midst of ukrainian culture, and these stories constantly emerged from him, just like jewish stories, because he was an assimilated jew by origin. so this it is very important for him too, but it is a pity that we literally do not have time to continue this conversation. i thank you very much for it. i think that this is the beginning of a really larger conversation and we will be able to talk more. it's a busy festival in

drohobych. so, i think that the story will be on express today, and during the week we will return to this topic, thank you very much. well, that's all for us . by the way, the information of marator maria gurska was completed at our guest house. andrii pavlyshyn and so on - we pass on to the actual news release unconquered cities of ukraine berdyansk pearl of the azov region gentle sea of ​​azov and kilometers of picturesque coastline in the 16th century berditsa settlement was a reliable shelter for fishermen and cossacks near it in 1827 the construction of piers began and in less than 15 years, the settlement was declared a city and renamed berdyansk, during the second world war, nazi troops entered ber