she simply declares that she is leaving this organization herself. well, there were several similar cases as well. i think that it will happen and now it is unlikely that the president of indonesia will withdraw his invitation, it was not diplomatic, but i think that on other channels, there will be information from indonesia that it would be better to refrain so as not to create problems for indonesians or other guests, so i think that the chances that putin will risk coming to indonesia, well, there are almost no volodymyr, i have asked you many times over the past four months, are there any diplomats or state leaders left in the world who are ready to shake vladimir putin's hand after the war he unleashed in ukraine, as of today, what would you say is the proportion of those countries and those

leaders who are ready to accept putin as a person who is one of the 20 leaders of countries that influence the world economy and when they will finally stop inviting him to the meetings of the big seven. a way to legitimize what he is doing in ukraine would be a witness, i would distinguish two groups of countries, er, civilized and not very. if we talk about the first group, then no one will shake hands with him, you see, it is already on well, so to speak, a very bad tone and even those brave

leaders of some countries who tried to convince him of something, and everything else is clear that this is monkey work. well, there is no chance for anything to happen, this is a clinical case that can already be cured by conventional means impossible but there is a second part of countries which, by the way, is also represented in the 20s, these are countries that depend to a certain extent on russia. to russia with money and weapons and advisers in quotation marks, of course, because these are in fact hired killers and so on in order to support one or another of the same regimes and the like, so it is more difficult here. but

we are talking about the standards of the civilized world e to which the other must with a certain time to come well, that's right, putin has long since descended to the level of a leader in quotation marks, a new country of countries that, well, simply do not belong to civilization, this is something that has already been used, because it is no less urban of civilized humanity from those countries with which you can do business, and in relation to others, well, believe me , after all, the usa and europe are 60% of the world gdp, whatever it is, it is much more than 1% in russia and much more than in many others, it goes together, so i think that even in china today, it is far from democratic standards and principles understands that it is simply

economically beneficial for him to fight with russia, because all its export capacity is located in so, russia has no chance of becoming a center of attraction for certain countries, unless, frankly, hmm, the author of such, the author of the authoritarian democratic candidate and the same morning the discussion about what is currently happening in the russian federation and its future naturally affects me as they testify to what they are talking about the future last week putin met with the leaders of the factions and gennady zyuganov, the permanent leader of the communist party federations and the leader of the faction in the state duma asked putin what he thinks about what needs to be built in russia, can capitalism, what is the way to transition to socialism? well, i understand that their communism is also,

let's listen to what putin actually said, and here is the answer to the question that sounded socialismy ego no one can win, that's why i'm waiting for you to put socialist tasks in the next speech, here's a wet guy sitting next to him, smiling, and we already like this idea. as for sociolytic ideas, i don't care they will fill especially in the field of economics. in some countries, there are rehearsals with comparative forms of regulation that are sufficiently fictitious. it works. it is necessary to watch. as for the participation of the state, this is how it would be like a sport. as a rule, where does the state need to participate, and in what form ? decide in the course of discussions in the course of disputes, these people who sit at that

table in putin's office and think about something there , about some kind of socialism or communism. they completely robbed russia and they should have already long ago there are some uh come to some social standards but when their soldiers come to ukraine and steal excuse me toilet bowls from apartments, well, what are they talking about, uh, this is a complete imitation and it is clear that these imitators can not make any drastic decisions simply there is only hm one line that is not vladimir putin why i mentioned about this discussion and capitalism or socialism in russia because on july 15 in russia there is to be a meeting of the state duma and a special meeting of the security council of the russian federation and

i remember very well how similar events took place before the great war, and when putin was simply pointing out the same thing to the russians. of events i mean by the state duma and the security council because there are many assumptions about what may happen next, that russia may officially declare war on ukraine, that a mass mobilization may be announced there, that in the end the state duma and the council of security may decide on the accession of several oblasts of ukraine to russia and in this way already threaten ukraine that if you attack warehouses in the kherson region, you will be dealing not only with ordinary weapons that they use now during the war, although it is unusual, but with nuclear weapons. what can we expect from the russians

? is it possible to understand them as a russian mind, or is it possible to measure them with one arshin and understand what they want? socialism or capitalism, russia lives in the paradigm of an autocracy and it has not disappeared from the first e-e prince in quotation marks, who was appointed gordius, to the last prince, who is today the president of this state. that is, there is no other way of existence than e-e this very vertical e he's a baron, a slave, and everything actually revolves around this, not around the

social order, but around this wild , purely russian-asian vertical, so he can tell any fables about any discussions there well, what are we actually talking about? what to expect eh you are right eh in russia eh you can only wait for what comes to mind at a specific moment on the same eh ruler who will stand either with the left or the right foot and from this he can depends on the fate of not only his country, but unfortunately also those who are both near and far from it , so i think that you can read any unexpected things, but believe me, they can't do

anything to surprise well, well, will he say that kherson oblast is there? part of these substances of our kherson oblast is declared russian federation. well, what? well, he said that uh, independent states are uh, these are the shortcomings of uh, ldn. well, what, uh, in what way does this change our attitude to all this? does it change the attitude of uh, well, ukraine i've always been here before that, well, absolutely no, well, if he, uh, threatens nuclear weapons once again, well, yes, well, again, this is not the first time. readiness of his troops yes, he did it once, maybe not once, that is, wait for something extraordinary i don't think it's possible anymore because he's run out of all the tools. well, i'm just saying that he can

continue to threaten nuclear war. well, but hmm , we've already kind of passed it, so i think it's just hysteria inciting the fact that anyway, we great and we can still shake with our nuclear stick, but no more among those who support and who are complicit in putin's war in this big uh in this big war - this is oleksandr lukashenko , we have already talked about this with you several times and tried to analyze lukashenko's actions and it is clear that it is very difficult to analyze the actions of a person who is completely dependent on russia. however, what lukashenko says. he says that we will build a union

state. although they started building this state, if i am not mistaken, 15 years ago, but let's listen to what lukashenko told his parliamentarians to become more active in the russian language direction with sovereignty, independence is the sacred interests of the belarusian people well, it is necessary to understand that russia has global interests, uh, they also have uh, i agree with the views on the development of belarus and this that's right, today we have already understood what belarus is for russia and russia for belarus. in this regard, we will also be able to activate our sovereignty and independence . a stone in us что мы не рушыли к это вопроса был взайм с россией well, this is the position of the self-proclaimed president of belarus. now they are quite actively

discussing the possibility of the participation of the belarusian army in war and the west of the belarusian army from the north of ukraine, what do you think, does it depend on lukashenka now or is it just stupid to think about whether lukashenka will go for it or not because the center of decision -making is still in moscow well, it is obvious that lukashenko has long been lost er the ability to make some er independent decisions, but although you see in this phrase that you cited on the same er, the line sounds very clearly er and yours our er, that is, we are sovereign the state is a guide for us - you plan everything together with that, we will definitely work with russia, that is, on this, it is not what it used to be.

well, a few months ago, when belligerent statements were made, we will advance, we will help with our armed forces forces and so on, i think that lukashenko, like a cunning fox, perfectly understands that the russian army, like russia itself, somewhere has already switched to the formula from the bazaar, it's not up there anymore, it's already burning and he doesn't want to directly, er, mess into this story because well, if imagine if at least one battalion of belarusian troops crosses the border, that's it will mean that, uh, all his ways are already cut off, so he can say what, well, i was forced to do that, so we airfields were used by russian aviation, but uh, uh, my soldiers uh, uh, were at home, we did n't make a single church of our guns, it was all

russians and so on and so on, there is at least some uh, well, some kind of excuse for the fact that it's not us, it's them . commander-in-chief, that is, then that's all, that's why i think that not until the end he will make a decision about the involvement of belarusian troops to the last, he will look for some excuses why not to do it, but he will give his military infrastructure so that the russians can use it . for the offensive of those forces that are now gathered in belarus well, it's just not hmm well, it's not enough

, it could be a provocation at the border so that's one thing, but the next thing. by the way, volodymyr, about the fact that lukashenko is trying to play from russia the experts of the american institute for the study of war also say that the self-proclaimed president of belarus continues to give russia access to the airspace of belarus in order to demonstrate nominal support for the russian president, volodymyr putin, without the risk of direct participation of the belarusian armed forces in the war, but in the meantime, information appeared about the fact that the authorities of belarus can get the opportunity to temporarily limit the departure of the country's citizens abroad if this contradicts the interests of national security, such the norm is contained in the draft law that came to the parliament of ukraine, well, that is, belarus is turning into north korea, and this may also be a sign that lukashenko still thinks that

if the belarusian army goes on the offensive against ukraine , he will still have to carry out mobilization and people can simply leave the borders of the republic of belarus well, of course, we will follow two events: the meeting of the state duma and the security council of the russian federation. in general, the situation that is currently developing in the post-soviet space, i, volodymyr, cannot help but ask you as an experienced person, as a person who knows everything about world diplomacy, about this dispute, which is an absentee dispute between the ukrainian side and victoria, victoria spartas congresswoman who lives in the united states of america,

we know that she wrote an open letter to joe biden and demanded that he answer the question who is andrii yarmak? the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine reacted quite harshly to this, saying that in principles during the war yes, there is no need to insert such questions in this way and there was a very big discussion in the media and social environment on social networks e.e. serhiy sydorenko and serhiy musaeva from ukrainian pravda interviewed victoria sparts, who was once a citizen of ukraine at the beginning in the 2000s, she left ukraine, got a higher education here, then made a political career in the united states of america.

american record players, if we help your country, we can, we must, and we will make sure that all the money goes to those guys who are fighting, who are fighting, you will hear. well, you are not sure about this now, can you explain what the main problem is, which allows us to sit down and check, and this system must exist to some things that can be from our side there are problems, but the problems from our side have been solved and now the problems are not solved with the first to voice some problems because i do not think that they will have to be public, but from your parties, the problem now is, well, obviously, the main problem is not andriy ermaka, the lack of control over the money that comes to ukraine and the problem with the formation of a specialized anti-corruption

prosecutor's office, because the appointment of the head of the sap and eh regarding how ukraine behaves in relations with the united states of america what is your attitude to of this absentee discussion, especially if it takes place during the war, what conclusions should we draw here in ukraine, er, you, mr. serhiu, when er, questions are asked, what, ms. sport, er wrote a letter to president biden well, uh, in that coordinate system and in ours, by the way, uh, well, such letters must be answered, i don’t think that this answer will be a response to the american uh, political system, uh, it is absolutely impossible and unacceptable, so that such an answer should be in essence , and for some reason it seems to me that uh, when preparing this

answer, the american side uh will bring to the leadership of our country certain points that i think cannot be taken into account, so i am looking forward to it someday this answer will appear you you mean that the americans will give an unequivocal answer to whether andriy yarmak has a relationship with russia or not. i mean that if the question becomes a hack or weapons or changes, then i think that our government will make the right choice , why on your opinion in this situation, this discussion, the discussion in absentia, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine was involved, because well, in fact, it is not a question of the ministry of foreign affairs to give a response to a congresswoman to a

letter that she also addressed to the president not of ukraine, but of the united states of america. this simply shows all the complexities of the functioning of the foreign policy machine in ukraine as a whole. this history will have an impact on our future relations with the united states of america because we understand that in the current situation washington plays an important key role, we understand that a lot depends on washington and ramstein who will be to take place on july 20 and the decisions of key countries in the world and many, many things. well, actually, the finale of the russian-ukrainian war, i agree with you, mr. sergey extremely important, well, the most important meaning is

that what is happening today on the fronts and that is why we cannot question either this practical help to our armed forces or the political perspective of relations with this country, so i repeat it, i really hope that the reaction of the ukrainian side will be appropriate, because i repeat once again, i question such things as weapons, as a whole, our victory. well, there is no right way to say, and at the end of our program, i want to ask you about the resignation of boris johnson because it is clear that boris johnson played an important role during these four months of the russian-ukrainian war, he has always been close to ukraine, he has always been close to

zelenskyi , the most critical moments. aid to the ukrainian state, you know. i think that he will not be able to change this, as we say in relation to the americans , two-party and two-way support is the same, and here i think that it is not about the change of the leader of the conservative party the course of britain will change. even if you imagine that later this is a normal process, other political forces will come to surrender. will this radically change something ? this is not his last political position , now they have started to actively say that, well, that's enough. let 's put it this delicately, the current

nato secretary general should have a figure who understands the strategy, not looking down, looking ahead, this is the function of such a leader, moreover such an organization, so if this idea continues, then i think that we will see boris johnson in ukraine more than once, and maybe even not just as a guest, but as the head of this organization, to which ukraine will finally belong. thank you, sir volodymyr, thank you for the conversation. i wish you good health. take care of yourself and your relatives. i will remind you that it was volodymyr ogrysko, a politician and diplomat. the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 conducted the program serhiy rudenko, and i say goodbye to you, but

espresso, namely on monday at 12 well, about 13 , the program the world at war, we speak, we speak with our guests, whom i invite to join me on skype . in us and how we cooperate in order to end this war as a language as soon as possible. and i am sure that we will end this war really quickly. well, what about us? you can watch us on the air of the espresso tv channel, but you can also watch it on social networks and on youtube. join comment put your favorites well , well, i have already been informed that my first guest has already joined me on skype - this is vitaliy kulyk, director of the center for civil

society research. vitaliy, i congratulate you, i congratulate you. thank you for joining. it is always a pleasure to talk to you and listen to your professional opinions. i am sure that you will help me understand the problematic issues that arise for me and i am sure for our viewers as well. mr. vitaly, see let's start. in chronological order, e.e. the meeting of the foreign ministers of the g20 member countries, e.e. , it took place on the indonesian island of bali, some breakthroughs. as far as i know, they did not expect it, but they really expected it . he should behave there, what will be said to him well, in general, they did not say anything. as far as i understand, he only met with the minister of foreign affairs of turkey. we met with the minister of foreign affairs of china in february .

as far as i know the bathroom and they talked about the topics that they are all interested in. well, he quickly moved to your opinion, after all, this g20 summit was successful. how can you rate it? well, first of all, lavrov came like that, and this means that it hurts for them and the selection regime and it is important for them how they are evaluated and how global players will build relations with him and them. it is important for russia how long the sanctions regime will last. it is important for them what will happen in the post-war world, that is, by and large, e is for lavrov’s visit itself at the g20 it was uh systematically ah if they um felt in the power to oppose the whole world it is obvious that they boycotted the summit of the g20 and so lavrov came maybe he didn't get what he

hoped for uh maybe he got he would like to get more hmm well, let's say neutral assessments of the natural tone of the statements and behavior of his colleagues, but this did not happen, and this raises the question of putin's participation in the g20 summit in november, and this raises the question of his participation in general. in russia any multi-format events of the world level because, as the spokeswoman of the russian foreign ministry said, they feel a deep boycott of the russian federation, this deep boycott, in fact, it was a red thread among you yourself, its evaluation in expert circles, even relatively

international platforms and publications loyal to the russians indicated that the russian federation was not able to change the agenda of the global world , but it was still unable to offer something like that so that it could build a circle support of the russian federation, they do not have allies, they do not have global players who unequivocally spoke in favor of russia, everyone with whom it enters into more or less some kind of close interaction is either our partner or its clients. i believe that it is completely and one hundred percent unsuccessful