evaluations in the expert circle, even relatively loyal to the russians, international platforms and publications indicated hmm that the russian federation could not change the agenda of the global world, it still could not to offer something that could build a circle of support for the russian federation, they don’t have allies, they don’t have global players who unequivocally spoke in favor of russia , everyone with whom it enters into more or less some kind of close interaction is either a fellow traveler or its clients i as a matter of fact, this manifested itself during this summit, i do not think that this is a completely, one hundred percent unsuccessful visit for lavrov, but the fact that he did not

get what he hoped for, many russian experts previously pointed out that there would be a possible discussion with the representatives of india that there will be a big one on the sidelines of this, benz with china will be big, but all this did not happen, no court of arabia, no meetings with representatives of arab countries, no meetings with representatives of china, no separate events took place instead, ukraine eh was number one for the discussion and how many opportunities for meetings and contacts eh hmm accordingly none of this was in russia so let's see russia is entering such a more hmm space of dense isolation i hope that this is a space of wall isolation it will be extended and the sanctions regime will be strengthened well

look you already said about this space of dense isolation, i heard opinions during this week, what do they want, well, at least the submission was that they would exclude russia even from the g20, is it at all realistic? are these just such opinions? we like these opinions, but this will not happen, well, first of all, there are countries that believe that russia can be useful for them, these are china and india, which are the main global players, and the g20 is the platform where the interaction of the countries of the west, conditionally, of the collective west, with the countries of the collective east, not the collective, everything takes place i just went by such players as india, brazil, and china, and these countries have a certain vision of their interactions with russia, they would not like to break up and enter into a confrontation, and they use russia in their geopolitical interests or geoeconomic or

receive energy carriers or receive resources from russia or reorientate themselves on commercial platforms , gain market positions in russian markets , that is, until this period with the use of russia in the global players represented in the j-20 has not ended, talking about exclusion i would not do the same as well as it is very difficult to talk about exclusion for the sake of un security i just wanted to ask you because such thoughts were also echoed all this week yes, but there are no political warriors in vola, there are no uh the consensus of global players regarding russia and the fact that it is still necessary to change the rules of the game in the security council in general zones to do something from the point of view, unfortunately, china still sees russia as such an instrument of influence on the west. as in a mirror , it sees a possible confrontation of the west with itself on the example of russia and will not play along, even if they understand all the toxicity of putin's russia now

, and if it were not for the opposition from the west in china, i think that i would support the idea of ​​excluding russia because of the dangers, but at the moment it is impossible to talk about whether it will succeed to do even on formal grounds due to a change in approaches or there praise of new changes to the un charter by the general assembly. well, in my opinion, it does not make sense, because the institution turned out to be unsustainable in such cases, in such situations with ukraine and russia's war against ukraine, and this is to raise the question of a new the world order and the institutions of the new world order, which should come to change such organizations, which well, is there any vision or is there any development of relations with regard to such new institutions, can they to appear, well, at least in the short-term, in the medium-term perspective, the medium-term

determines that russia will uh-uh on uh-uh early collapse , that is, after the war in the event of the defeat of russia in the current and other ways, then the question of changing the global light order may arise, accordingly, there will be a request for otaki new institutions that will take the place of the un, and i see the institutions as a strengthening of global management of certain things that have a planetary global character, this is an important issue for humanity. when ecology is a security issue, this is the issue of health, that is, where cooperation is needed, what kind of world republic, as i would call it, is a common cause in all countries where security should come not from coercion, but from immunity, as a preclusion upon the appearance of any russians, so in the world and when all the planets

are aware of this from the country, there is a demand for new institutions, i am more than convinced that after this such an institution will appear because all other structures of the un, the osce, the g20, through the regional security systems, all of them they do not justify themselves they are able to respond to the challenges that have appeared now and have been actualized with russia's war against ukraine, mr. vitaly, see after the g20 meeting, the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, announced this to himself on twitter, then reuters asked him about it for a very long time he spoke with the chinese foreign minister in a bathtub and he said that the conversation was successful. but after that he said that he still criticized china and said that he tried to pressure china so that china would influence russia and russia

stopped the war in ukraine. please tell me in this triangle, the united states of america and russia, who is a friend to whom, now everyone uses each other, and i would not say that russia is an unequivocal ally or partner of china, i see that china uses russia for weakening the west and gaining favorable positions not only in the pacific ocean in the global game , because now i am not giving up, although the collective defense of the united states is intensifying and pointing to the danger from china, where the global economy for of its geopolitical interests for the countries of the region says that china is strengthening militarily, that it is already getting out of the issue of e-e and from the standpoint of mutual economic relations, the position of military-political relations with neighboring countries suggests the possibility of the appearance of military bases, so at the moment china sees in russia only a

fellow traveler and a raw material base sees in russia a tool of pressure on its opponents as a collective measure and the united states, but when we talk about partnership or allied relations, they involve certain obligations, china does not want to assume any obligations towards russia, on the contrary, it tries to avoid any obligations and it even starts with how negotiations are conducted on the possibility of chinese companies buying assets that are currently are released after the withdrawal of western energy companies from russian markets, for example, sakhalin 2 , a well-known energy field where china has shown interest in buying this field and the possibility of a production license and of development but he avoids any obligations

to russia for the social development of the territory on n- on others for himself mm let's say so onerous politically risky and projects and obligations, that is , at the moment, at the moment, china actually uh, no , uh, he needs allies, he is self-sufficient, and russia is only one of the territories with which there are specific relations with the populist, what’s more, i liked this comparison with the satellite , well, the united states of america can somehow use this situation so that after all to try to get closer to china, well, they managed to do it in history, that is, in history, as a skisenger, she showed when it is possible to go to china, agree , then act with joint efforts. we would then go to russia, i do not rule out that at a certain moment, russia will lose interest in china so much that it will not just be a territory not just a fellow country, but

as a resource base with which you can enter the language of the position of power and if er this situation arose, for example, a collapse there or a crisis of political leadership er destabilization processes of the russian federation loss of er position in central asia, or vice versa, russia will strengthen too much in central asia, which will become a threat to the people's republic of china in this region, then there is an opportunity or a window of opportunity for closer interactions between the west and china, and then russia becomes an opponent of such an interaction. in addition, there is another nuance about which those who are unable to do political economy point out that china's economic projects or geo-economic relations with the west

are much deeper, much closer than any economic projects from the russian federation and china have an opportunity for a joint game of collective action and china, they are more than the opportunity for a joint game of russia and china in geo-economic relations, the construction of a new economic world order, etc. blindin and other american officials, when they still try to reach out to beijing and sway beijing in certain issues, preventing it from getting close there , we risk getting closer to by the russian federation, well, that's probably the case. i really hope that they will reach out, and this is probably indicative . there was this five-hour meeting with blinky natsvan. and what is it that they have some points of contact, it's probably true. well, no, they didn't just talk about russia, they

talked primarily about taiwan about the security situation in the region about the launch of missiles from north korea, but about the militarization of this region about sufficiently tough statements about the possibility of using force against the taiwanese in the case of independence, so i i think that if we divide these hours into percentages, we will see that 99% will wake up between them about global issues, issues of the pacific ocean , issues of regional security, but there is one percent in relation to russia and so on, which anyway they said for a long time that there are some points of contact they talked for 5 hours, that is, on different topics. they are trying to find understanding, and it seems to me that this is already good, but vitaly, let's listen to a quote later, to which he said this during a meeting,

it seems on thursday, during a meeting with representatives of the parliamentary factions and i will ask you a question today. today we hear that they want to win on the battlefield. well, what do you say? let me try. we have heard a lot that the west wants to fight with them to the last ukrainian. this is a tragedy for the ukrainian people. everyone should know that we are, by and large, serious . we haven't started anything yet. well, this is probably not a threat to ukraine. when he says that we haven't started anything, we already know it well, how they started and how it ended, but in this way he tries to play on the domestic on the domestic consumer, yes, of course, because there is a certain miro of disappointment in dragging out the military in action in

ukraine, they come and it becomes difficult to hide even when or why the mobilization on the periphery in small towns, but still it is more and more the more the video penetrates, the more it becomes, the more it becomes available, er, even the middle class of the political and administrative elite of the russian federation asks the question and what next, how to build personal strategies, it begins to implement a certain pressure not only on the middle class, but on, let's say, the average russian, and the end of some imminent end of some clear victory, the cream does not articulate, therefore, this bravado from putin's leaflet, these statements that they have not started anything yet, they are primarily aimed at of the internal consumer that putin still has some weapons vozmezdie with which he

will strike the e-e and decided the issue in his favor that russia does not seem that they understand the e-e press they will achieve their goals set by the so-called special military operations as they call it a war, so here it is obvious that the consumer is in the internal, because these statements, except for er, sarcasm, they do not even receive any other reaction in the west in old europe, which is quite er sensitive to any changes in russian policy, well , even there in the publications who call us to negotiations, even there these exercises were evaluated. well, as a bravado, nothing was backed up and these publications wrote on the basis of their development, where it is indicated about the shutdown of their troops, about the lack

of rotation, about the delay in payments, about the delay the arrival of new er fresh forces of new technology . well, and similar things. so we can say that this is the domestic political position. the russians have elections ahead of them, they are afraid of the appearance of any alternative . the party has in-, well, but there for democracy, i am a propaganda machine that has to screw up its citizens so that less and less people are dissatisfied, because wherever they arise, there will be repression, and he is already talking about the decrease in active support is that sociologists record fear at the level of 80% of the so-called support for putin, but

in fact, when it comes to in-depth research, even russian sociologists who are dependent on the russian government already say that there is fatigue from this war, that is why putin's statements are of course oriented towards the internal consumer to support the deep deep people of the so-called see at the beginning of the war well, there a month after the beginning of the russian war and very often in our country in various telegram channels they wrote about the fact that well, someone wrote that according to intelligence data, someone wrote simply that they know about palace coups that may be in the kremlin now. as far as i understand, this topic is very quiet now, it is not talking about it, but this week the french publication figaro wrote that putin is multiplying the same statements that we have heard recently in order to keep the lateral and economic elite - that 's what you said about the domestic consumer but is it still the case, or is he still afraid of these and that's why

he makes such statements, or is he still afraid of such palace coups, the possibility of such palace coups of coups. i think that they are reduced to a minimum because putin's contacts. well, in the environment, there are also restrictions. first, secondly, the elite who are close to him. that is, this is the ruling group . putin does not have an obvious future for them, well, this is a small mess, they are not players, they are more figures of his entourage, but i would not completely discard the idea for this coup when certain certain circumstances arise for it, but what will they do during this period not er laurels er and surrounding puppets, well, this is

obvious, that is, if someone does not play the risk for his own political survival in the new in the new reality in russia, then it will clearly not be er there speaker, make it a speaker or some characters from fake political parties, leaders of the faction of the so -called state party well, you do not rule out that such a thing can happen, i do not rule it out. actually, each of these players, from these towers, he tries to strengthen as much as possible, feed his vertical, create his own loyal to himself personal a military issue or to gain control over certain security forces, contradictions between them exist and are not going anywhere, the struggle is taking place at the level of sufficiently tough

sweeps . no, these aks wouldn’t say that , interest groups compete with each other, and the more putin tightens the screws, the more competition these influence groups will have, so a coup is possible, but he needs this window of opportunity when the government will obviously show his weakness and this is possible there in the medium-term perspective god forbid god forbid we are really waiting for the same thing to happen thank you mr. vitaliy for participating in today's program, they spoke and gave answers to those questions that were a bit unclear for me and for our viewers i will remind this was vitaly kulyk, the director of the center for researching civil society problems, well , he is already waiting to join me on skype, my second guest for today is anton kuchukhid, a political scientist among the peoples. i congratulate you, mr. anton vitayu i thank you and you for joining and i thank you for a long

time . number one in international life not related to ukraine, although why is it related to ukraine, the resignation of the prime minister of great britain, boris johnson, what will change for ukraine after his resignation a-a i think that nothing will change in a strategic sense is official it's just that the foreign policy strategy of great britain has been adopted until 2030, where the russian federation is considered as a threat to the security of great britain directly, as well as to democracy in the world, so if we have nato as an alliance, only at the end of june

22nd , it recognized just because the russian federation is the main threat, then britain has been discussing this strategy in public since 2016, accordingly, since 2016, it has understood the risks of the russian federation and their policy their vision of the international agenda ah for the west and for the partners of the west therefore eh i think that support will not decrease aa both from a strategic point of view and from the point of view of political consensus eh elites inside great britain eh provision of weapons and the full support of ukraine is supported by the labor party, although it is in opposition to the conservative party, but today it is less active. on

february 24, the leader of this party in the british parliament clearly stated his full support for ukraine concrete actions and not just how, you know, he expressed concern or something else, he clearly said that it is necessary to support weapons economically and humanitarianly, that is, in addition to strategic things, there is also a political consensus of the elite of great britain a-a third well, if you know there to engage in fortune-telling in the field of conspiracy theory, there are, let's say, several top figures who claim that , after mr. johnson, they can take the position of leader of the conservative party and then prime minister, and among there were two of these surnames the surnames that actually created a system

of pro-ukrainian support for mr. johnson are the minister of defense pangoles and the minister of foreign affairs mrs. trasa p. voles. according to various data, he had the greatest support of the conservatives in order to take the position of the future prime minister, but he refused and today we received information that mrs. tras has publicly and officially announced that she will apply for the position of prime minister and that one of her tasks is the defeat of putin in ukraine and the economic recovery of great britain, therefore, from all sides, we will not look at the strategic level, the level of unity of the political elites in britain, potential candidates for mr. johnson's successor, they show that the support

will not change. therefore, in principle, both the ministry of foreign affairs and the ukrainian authorities reacted quite correctly to the political processes that took place in great britain . will be resolved precisely in britain for the post of prime minister, ukrainian topics are not used there for some political -technological purposes, that is, this issue is completely understood, and it is absolutely clear for british politicians. let me for our viewers , er, i will say a little more, you already mentioned that today the minister of foreign affairs of great britain listras announced that she is ready to run for the post of prime minister a little earlier, the minister pritipatel also said about this

of internal affairs, these are people from the johnson camp, but as far as i know, their ratings are not very high, that is, they do not have the highest chances of becoming prime minister, and therefore they will now hold some kind of competition among themselves, who will put up a single candidate, but as far as i understand , the best chances the finance minister of great britain has others sunak is a person not from johnson's camp, he generally criticized johnson constantly, that is, from what you said, even if a more determined sunak becomes the prime minister of great britain for ukraine, nothing changes support ukraine remains the same as it was under johnson , and that's because they have a strategy adopted at the state level, which clearly spells out the opposition of the russian federation, and it will be very difficult for the new prime minister to fight the geopolitical

realities that exist in the world today. or which appeared just after the large-scale invasion of the russian federation, he will have to explain for a very long time within the conservative party , in fact, the party that developed this strategy under global britain and this can shake his position unequivocally eh especially since mr. sunaki is such an interesting personality eh journalists investigated his ties with the russian federation rather than his family with the russian federation in terms of business he clearly noted that there are no connections and he has no excuses for anything, so let's hope that his position will be maintained

in the future. let's listen to one speech of lukashenka, one statement of lukashenka that he made the other day, then the question will be for you . for the development of belarus, and this is correct, today everyone has already understood what belarus is for russia and russia for belarus. independence, we must do the maximum for cooperation in the economy, for our unity, for our unity. well, everything should be done so that no one could throw a stone at us, that we are not

pushovers , this is a question of mutual relations with russia. about sovereignty, we will not allow anyone to encroach on the sovereignty of belarus, belarusians with weapons will defend their own country if it is necessary to defend their native land, and then on the other hand about the fact that russia has plans of its own for belarus, anton, how long will this person be able to play on two fronts? well, he is already playing on one front, that is, the window of opportunity for him to establish a dialogue with the west has ended after the territory of belarus was used for a large-scale invasion against our country, and i will remind that according to the resolution of the un general assembly regarding the definition of exactly the same level of aggression or aggression as an international

legal abbreviated there, including there is such and such a provision that even if you provide simply the territory of a party that attacks another state, then you are, let's say, a partner in carrying out this aggression . therefore, the window of opportunity has closed for him, he is completely in the fairway of the russian federation. it must be admitted that the russian federation gains certain advantages, precisely in relation to the belarusians . in what sense remember lukashenko 3-4 years ago, 5 years ago when he said that there would be no russian bases on the territory of belarus, that they would be sovereign there and would independently implement their defense policy and all factors showed that