the will of the bank and not only for the work of this commission, which still can't come together. well, let's hope for a better scenario. i wanted to ask you. maybe you have information about the departure of mr. portnov from ukraine. how did it happen, but we were surprised, but colleagues from the schemes, well, as if they proved that such a strange case had taken place. well, even more so, as it turned out that mr. tailor was somehow invisible in ukraine all this time, absolutely official information, i will only add that there are moments when he does not leave by territory of our country means that absolutely correct things are starting to happen inside our country. vitaliy, i will remind you that during the revolution of dignity and a few years after it, portnov also fled the country, then calmly returned and began to further influence, including the law enforcement and judicial system, and influences and you know how because of his good friend oleg tatarov,

who now manages the law enforcement system with the blessing of zelensky, so how did this happen ? silence for a couple of seconds, ms. zagrebelska, yes, are you with us, ms. zagrebelska, in any case, when we talk about the history of alcohol departure , there are a lot of open questions, in particular, journalists addressed an information request to the state border service of ukraine with a request to explain on what grounds 48 -year-old andriy portnov left the territory of ukraine during the period of restrictions on the departure of men of ordinary age, the administration of the state border service in response to the request for schemes reported that it would not provide an answer because there there is a lot of personal data and it is all regulated by the law of ukraine on the protection of personal data, well,

there was also a request to the security service of ukraine with a request to inform whether the service is investigating the activities of andriy portnov at all, and the editors promised to publish the answer as soon as it does not arrive. the state representative of the antimonopoly committee of ukraine from 15 to 19 years vitaliy shabunin, head of the anti-corruption center, they know that antina, we were just discussing the problem in general the appointment of the head of sap, which was already determined at the competition, and i was very sorry that we were just sitting on the air and trying to talk about the fact that it is necessary to influence the office of the president, who should pick up the phone. call the court to make the right decision, and this is actually our internal tragedy. we are not talking about the fact that the courts a priori should make er absolutely independent decisions, we are talking about the fact that we already give your good will , call your courts and somehow go to the meeting

and for us and our international partners, the story is that we understand that formally the judicial power is completely separated from the executive power, yes, and calls like that could also be perceived if it became available information to the public, well, it would be perceived as pressure on the court, let it be and the case begged anyway someone should take this to court so that he performs according to the current legislation, your functions are not comilfo either. well, as he said, it is not yet a classic . we have what we have. pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine, and yulia klymenko, people's deputy of ukraine, should be with us literally in a few moments, and rickard is used to it, journalist, correspondent of radio svoboda reports that tomorrow the ambassadors of the european union will discuss the seventh package of sanctions against the russian federation, according to him, this seventh

package can to be fully agreed next week, which cannot help but please, it would be good to figure out what they will agree on in terms of this seventh package, what will yulia klymenko have in it the people's deputy of ukraine is one for now we will add rostyslava pavlenko to our broadcast literally in a few moments yulia, we congratulate you glory to ukraine good day glory to the heroes we are also talking about the need for homework, especially since we need them first and second our partners are signaling to us what uh, look, dear ukrainians, you guys are fighting a cunning war, but still, without carrying out some internal reforms, you won’t have uh, money, and there won’t be our support in lugano ukraine gave instructions for preparing to raise funds e-e work on homework according to bloomberg the budget division of the european commission blocks

the allocation of a loan to ukraine in the amount of one and a half billion euros due to doubts about financial reliability, well, our financial reliability is, of course, also due to the war, an open question, but also because our internal decisions that are either not adopted quite correctly or are not adopted at all, ms. yulia , the results of lugano and the work that was outlined for us, please actually, it is outlined for us nothing new has been outlined. it seems to me that we even received a candidacy with a specific list of reforms that we should make, all these reforms are not new for ukraine, moreover, you rightly said that they are needed in ukraine more than in this other world as for the allocation of 1.5 billion, why billions? why are they blocked? as far as i understand, our partners require full financial reporting , i.e. where does each euro go and how

will the ukrainian government report on these funds, and this is what they are doing now debate because i understand and international partners who allocate significant funds , such as the americans 40 billion or, for example , the europeans 9 billion - these are huge funds and they have the right to know where and how they go and whether we have done everything to ensure that they do not flow into the same holes in which they flowed a lot years you understand that corruption. »

look, ms. sparts, uh, well, if i didn’t want to comment because you know that in america there are active, an active election campaign has begun, and the company and the republicans, the democrats will use it, so let’s do it, i think that all these statements they have the fate of pravda, but do not want to take part in political debates, which in fact, and all these messages are directed not so much to ukraine as

to the domestic consumer, and during after all, the election is behind us. let's leave the americans alone, let them figure out their practice. that's enough. they just figure it out. they give us money, and they give money for weapons, and they give us weapons, and we don't. we can quarrel with them and ignore them well, it is not possible to unequivocally unequivocally make political statements - that's one thing, but it is necessary to establish absolutely clear 100 percent control over every dollar and euro that enters ukraine and they must be used in the most effective way the most effective way is the one that provides the largest number of jobs and the one that provides the largest amount of growth in our economy gdp of the economy is called whatever you want and definitely on the first e-e na na na na the most necessary if people left without a home because their city was destroyed, in fact, it means that we need to rebuild this housing or buy it on the secondary market. if we need to rebuild schools in order to

open them and the children returned from abroad and we did not lose 50% of our population, this is the most necessary thing to do everything else can wait. planting trees. i don't know what else. sometimes i saw in the government's plans that everything can wait. the main thing is to provide people, first of all, with housing, secondly with work, thirdly with schools and a hospital . dollar for what will give growth in the next 10 years, don't bury it in the ground. i don't know how some people want to build new cities there, everything else may not be necessary to build new cities . look, but not all the projects that were presented in lugano have an economic effect . many of them will be dead ends due to the fact that you and i will invest money in something that will not give any growth, let's talk a little about the package the projects that the ukrainians brought to lugano, we will talk

and discuss with rostislav pavlenko, a people's deputy of ukraine who joins our broadcast. well, mr. rostislav, a summary based on the results of lugano, i am asking for a summary of the results of lugano actually approved in the final document, which contains as its component part the so-called tim principles of lugano, which really have nothing particularly new for ukraine, but these are the points without which there will be no help for us, we already see that there are delays, which are also due to the money of the european union, 1.5 billion loan there, the minister of finance said that not everyone agrees with regard to the continuation of the allocation of a nine-billion-dollar tranche for ukraine from the european union, that is, the authorities need to make

decisions quickly that will show our partners that we are serious about both the reconstruction of the country and victory in war and to the fact that there is a democratic country only ukraine is a european country not only in terms of location but also in the essence of what is happening here because these seven principles of lugano, which are actually the basis of the final document, they this is exactly what they are about the rule of law, that is, all procedures must be in accordance with the law, clear and open, they are about transparency and openness, everyone must understand the priorities, how are funds allocated, everyone must understand the procedures by which they are distributed, they must understand where these funds go went how effectively they work yes these are questions about participation about something that no one can say how is it we have heard for the last three years that you do not interfere with us here we know what to do so there will be no questions

prioritization in the use of funds and how to make this mechanism understandable for americans and europeans, because someone will say that we need to restore an expensive freeway and so on, build this and that and that and that. and someone will consider something fundamentally different in priorities, as with to deal with this so as not to embitter our donors , i would also add here, in addition to transparency and clarity of priorities, that openness, because it can not be that tv channels and suddenly there are conspiracies, including channels with the press, must be just return it to digital broadcasting and broadcasting so that everyone who wants it, including ours, can hear this discussion, and not those who will be told about it or not by the government. these are supposedly simple things there, not to mention simple elementary things like the appointment of a manager of a specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, such as the launch of a competition on

nabu, as well as the unlocking and restarting of judicial self-government bodies, there are things that can really be done , as anti-corruption activists like to say, in 15 minutes, but what they have so far they are not done, this is also a signal, and eh well, eh, unfortunately, we see that both european partners and the americans are starting to send very clear avengers and whatever the different politicians who talk about this messenger are guided by, we see that it is already sounding and eh in the mass media from the expert environment and the like, such and such voices will influence more and more and the easiest way to prevent this from happening is to respond to those requests that are heard or to openness regarding transparency in relation to democracy, and then indeed any attacks there will be accepted as something so exotic or directed against ukraine and not like those questions that for some reason still have not found their answer. well, maybe we should give these or other

real powers, various, maybe new supervisory structures that could help our cabinet of ministers fulfill certain demands of our western donors. yes, we understand that it was not wanted would find ourselves in a situation where at a certain moment x, you know, some kind of bot farm will suddenly turn on and start accusing our western donors that they are so bad that they don’t close our financial sky and don’t do what they should wanted and so on, we understand that there is a similar risk of such a thing, and we understand that this would just pour water on the russian mill inside our state and not only mrs. yulia, you know, i want to tell you independence from botofarms , european voters and american voters and everyone the countries that give us money clearly ask their politicians, you gave ukraine 20 billion. please tell me

how you controlled their use, did it really go for what you allocated it for and how can you prove it? these voices are already being heard. these are not russian narratives and these are not bot farms, these are people who have imagine that you pay taxes in ukraine and 50% of your taxes are taken away and, for example , sent somewhere well, i don’t know, to some asian country and then they dissolve there and you how the person who provided this 50% is an ordinary citizen of ukraine. you are asking. tell me, please. and what is the effectiveness of your policy and providing money to this country for and what does it give us? these questions have been on the agenda for a long time. senators ask this openly because they are asked by voters, they have a very close relationship with voters, and their voters ask this in the same way as european voters, why do we not receive subsidies? and you send everything to ukrainians, so ukrainians

are interested in providing the most e- the most transparent information about the use of these funds has been disclosed, not for european and american politicians, but for voters, for citizens who give this money to ukrainians, so i think that transparency and the creation of some absolutely transparent mechanism that everyone trusts is necessary er. she stands up to the times. ms. von der liang has already announced the creation of a so-called european platform on the basis of which donor funds will be collected and distributed, but again, within the country, there must also be transparent institutions with powers and with the government that are also in a position to control i want to tell you that it's not what we want, at least as a parliament, we are trying to get the leaders of the faction to get the prime minister to come to the parliament and report on the reconstruction plan and what he reported in general to the meadows and here it is. two weeks have passed and there is no way that

mr. prime minister can come to us and tell us about the reconstruction plans and what kind of transparency we are talking about. well, i only know about these plans those who were in lugano and those who reported there lugano we would like to note that some quite prominent economic analysts and experts in our country were very surprised when allegedly two and a half thousand people worked on this rather large document that the ukrainian delegation brought to lugano there would be the best economists and experts in our country it is interesting to know who these people are and who actually prepared this program. this is a question for me. well, it’s not a question. the remark is more about the fact that we are not on the remark. rather, it is true. i would like to clarify with mr. rostislav pavlenka yes regarding the creation of effective mechanisms yes effective ones, i repeat, which would

work for the benefit of ukraine and at the same time satisfy the west well, because any supervisory board, it will meet, so to speak, not too often and i will not have the appropriate powers to it, they can lead there at least fukuyama, although i do not know er, there is no one there, that is, people with some or other popular surnames, not just young lech valens, but we understand that the effectiveness of this institution will depend on the powers of such and such. i would just like to make it work in favor of ukraine and in order to appease , so to speak, the chorus of the citizens of the same congresswoman sparts, yes, that is exactly why such attention is given to existing institutions that have the powers that are defined in the constitution in the laws. the authorities that appoint

and clear this judicial body must be restarted, this is a matter of the anti-corruption vertical, and it has actually been suspended because there is still no head of the anti-corruption prosecutor's office, e-e, the competition for e-e national anti-corruption agency or bureau e-e has not been launched, and here are really those things which must be done very quickly, and here she correctly spoke about the parliamentary supervision of uh, so far they don’t even consider it necessary uh, tell me what she meant in lugano, and all the presentations that were shown, which are on the websites, but you need to to search a bit to find it at the root is wrong and uh, in the end, the parliament is a rut of laws . and i would say that the government. well, although it thinks that it has the majority of votes, but we can see on the scoreboard that uh, the votes of the uh, opposition are far from superfluous in this and after all, through the parliament, people should also get to

know what is happening, and the last, according to me, is the mass media , because an honest discussion, an exchange of opinions, would allow citizens to better understand what is happening, only the priorities and what it is worth doing even better so that neither ukrainian citizens nor citizens of other countries have questions, because in the actual situation, freedom of speech and its means in mass information, including partners , evaluate what is happening in our country. well, and in connection with that, civil society as well which , by the way, was presented very widely at the luhansk forum, it also has its own e-e and proposals and ready-made control mechanisms and all these things should be used, they are already there, there is no need to reinvent the wheel, there is no need to really attract some famous names, it is enough to rely

on those things that already work, and well, believe me, it will be much easier, including receiving money from western partners, what dear people's deputies are a few more points that should be discussed, in particular the draft law on the introduction of a comprehensive exam for obtaining citizenship of ukraine the cabinet of ministers of ukraine will prepare draft laws and the implementation of this comprehensive exam this was announced yesterday by prime minister denys shmyhal, the corresponding protocol mandate to fulfill the task of the president of ukraine in the government was supported during the meeting yesterday, and the head of the government noted that the ministry of justice and the ministry of the interior should prepare and submit relevant draft laws to the cabinet of ministers, but so far what is meant in particular about the following basic provisions on the knowledge contest, the exam on knowledge of the state language, the basics of the history of ukraine and the basics of the constitution, and i

will remind you that in general, ukrainian citizenship on the good side, in order to get it, even now even without a special law on the exam, you have to meet certain criteria, but as we see, something is somehow not quite and does not work with everyone, ms. yuliya, what do you think about the competition for obtaining ukrainian citizenship, do we need it or just let 's do it what is already prescribed in our legislation well, let's do what is required to be carried out, what is prescribed is 100% ah, in principle, many countries have uh additional exams for obtaining citizenship and even for obtaining a green uh card and for such uh, actually saying this is a normal practice, so we can, uh, introduce more exams for obtaining citizenship, the problem is to get ukrainian citizenship - it's uh, well, such circles of hell. i know belarusian oppositionists who have lived

in ukraine for 10 years, uh, and not can get ukrainian citizenship because every time they are asked for some kind of certificate which they can never take because for this they have to return to belarus and get this certificate, if they return to belarus they will never return they will enter because eh well, let's say, i think that not only the exam should be checked, whether the mechanism for obtaining citizenship in ukraine works normally and that we are 100% protected from the fifth column , which will now try to legalize itself through ukrainian citizenship and with ukrainian passport to be legalized in europe and so on. that is, we see that if it were not for the war situation, i think that this would be a standard and sufficient scheme, and moreover, i want to say that the acquisition of citizenship should not be political because we have many the acquisition of citizenship in recent years has been based on political motives, we like some people there, some people don't like them there, we gave them a passport because we want it, uh, well, i don't know

that he should live on the territory of ukraine, well, that's wrong. uh, well, it should be a procedure that is the same for everyone and how it happens in all countries of the world. actually, ms. yulia very delicately hinted that some or the other, for example , representatives of the russian financial business, may be interested in receiving of ukrainian citizenship, we understand that this can become an extremely powerful shot at their reputation in the west, and on the other hand, we understand that it can help them evade western sanctions at our expense. well, and a plus in itself. as far as i understand, it allowed them to legalize what they quietly recorded on some or other of our citizens mr. rostislav we would like to add antin that this will lead to a split er to serious problems with our donors and our partners who now support us because they will ask us questions excuse me, please, you are legalizing russian

business. and why impose sanctions on it ? this question cannot be answered, because we already see efforts inside the country to say that they will respond to ukrainian sanctions. it is an interesting moment, mr. rostyslav. yes. the fact is that the ukrainian legislation on citizenship is very early, on the one hand, it defines and operates with fairly general concepts, such as merits to ukraine. this very concept makes it possible to hand out passports, in fact, from left to right without some special procedures or checks, and on the other hand, it has a lot of different exceptions, cases, and everything else that very often confuses citizens, allows officials to include such verifiability, it happens that a person fights for the country and really has to look for documents in

russia or belarus a or those financial russian gatekeepers or some russian propagandists can literally be made citizens of ukraine in a few minutes, and i advise that the government has already started to deal with this issue, probably not only such general things should be added, such as the knowledge of the language of history, the flag, the anthem, and so on, but it is precisely the solution of those procedural issues that would put behind glass all the dangers that yulia spoke about, and about which ukrainians really often talk about and raise among themselves in the mass media , and the mechanism of deprivation of the same citizenship, which we should provide for, e.e. deprivation of citizenship is possible only for those to whom it is granted because there is a constitutional provision that citizens by birth cannot be deprived of citizenship, in principle, this is a democratic norm and, after all, there is a criminal code in order

to hold ukrainian citizens accountable if they break the law, but for those who have been granted citizenship, it can also be revoked if it is proven that a person obtained it there with violations or by lying whether the appropriate procedure was violated, it is interesting in this regard , whether the idea of ​​multiple citizenship is still alive in our country. but that will be a conversation for a completely different analytical studio. mps of ukraine were in touch with us and talked to us about everything, they hurt me, so to speak , wishing me a fruitful and productive day. yes, you are in other information blocks. well, the broadcast will not be affected by this, yes, we have the opportunity to provide you with

some important news, in particular, which concern the alarming side from which aggression against us in the volyn region may be carried out in the future they detained a belarusian border guard who illegally crossed the ukrainian border, later it became known what he did to join the defense forces of ukraine in the war against russia, radio svoboda reports about it, the incident happened on june 29 at 1:20 p.m., but it became known after the publication of the court decision, in a little more detail, the material support officer of the brest border group crossed the border outside the checkpoint of the volyn region in the direction of dubok, belarus and khrypska country, the patrol of the ukrainian border guards detained him and made an act of violation under the first part of article 204-1 of the code of ukraine on administrative offenses a beautiful story a beautiful story is an equally moving story, the national anti-corruption bureau informed the former head of the state agency for

managing the arrested property of a drunkard on suspicion of abuse of power and embezzlement of four hundred and twenty-six million hryvnias together with mr. yanchuk about the suspicion of informing four more people, that's the story, that's it, we'll say goodbye to you, antin borkovsky, and in a few instant news unsolicited petition demanding to return to digital broadcasting espresso channel five and live received over 25,000 votes on the website of the cabinet of ministers ukrainians stood up to defend freedom of speech now it's the government's turn do not ignore the opinion of ukrainians return ukrainian informational tv channels to digital broadcasting the war in ukraine is the main topic for of ukrainians victory and loss, analysis and forecasts

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