to the short number 116,000 from any mobile phone, calls are free or write to the child tracing chatbot service in telegram, at least a little news that everything is fine with melania and ivan will greatly reassure their mother, i congratulate you dear tv viewers my name is vasyl zima, this is a worldview program and today we will talk about important worldview things and we will also discuss what happened and, so to speak, it is clear what is happening and we will think about how it will continue to reflect and immerse ourselves a little in order to know where we are, what should we do with us today, uh, ivan semesyuk, artist, writer, poet, musician, cultural figure, author of media projects and a volunteer, mr. ivan, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, hello, i can't hear you yet. now we will do everything to hear , now we will do everything, mr. ivan you also wrote

about yourself on facebook that you are a metaphysical person. you can say that. i know where to start. i know that you are actively involved in volunteering. you are a creative person and now everything will be to support the ukrainian army. i we'll talk about it, it's more important that it will encourage other citizens of ukraine to join volunteer activities, but i'll start. that's why congresswoman victoria sparks of the united states of america should count out indiana, who is an ethnic ukrainian, not that she would blame ukrainians. the fact that not everyone in ukraine understands that not everyone joins the war, but everyone has to fight , and this is important because no one will do it instead of you, i.e., instead of us ukrainians. and actually the country should go to the military rails and uh, yes so to speak physically and spiritually and mentally in order to win in this war according to your assessment, in your opinion how much is ukraine mobilized today,

if not, is it possible to defeat russia if the whole country is all citizens and outside the borders of the state and in ukraine itself well, no feel the war, do not want to perceive it and in principle live as if this war does not exist, please well, that is true, but you understand that such a mobilization requires a different culture and also an economy, er, now it is a different time, on the contrary, i am happy that ukraine does not look like such a country on the brink of catastrophe, so on the one hand, luta's war is the fiercest at the moment in the 21st century, it is existential, but at the same time, ukraine is capable of living a peaceful life within itself, including a peaceful life . well, if every ukrainian joined the volunteers well, i think and these were some incredible super organizational achievements,

but this is impossible. there are people without identity in our country without any uh, there are a lot of them and uh, i do n't like it, but it seems that it's normal like this i would like to take you back to the first days of the war. you were one of those people who understood that there would be a war. how can i tell you? i couldn't believe it on such a scale, of course. well, it's some wild game. but i understood that there would be a war, so i wrote it at the time. a book called a stuffed animal. it was published in the 16th year, which predicts this huge existential war for the full definition, and it is predicted. of course , we have a total victory there. it is clear. well, there are a lot of such strange details that were difficult to predict, but less of therefore they are provided for in including this letter z well and so on and so on

that's why i am an artist and not only me and there is such a circle of capes that in general are in this so would the aggregate state of cultural war very much have lived there for a long time er there 15-10 years i take participation in such projects with a national color in us, because for me as an artist the main main tool is my main goal and objects of research ukraine i would be from ukraine if i were disabled i am a professional as an artist and what do i say about ukraine about ukrainians i study it certify it i preach well, it is clear that the war is a different matter. such a total disaster was difficult to predict. i remember. we were leaving kyiv with my family. my father-in-law and mother-in-law were there. well, everyone got drunk there, because that was the beginning of the war from kyiv. it was difficult to leave, the trains were full of evacuation cars, who was not in a car, tried to get to someone specially, thank god we had a car in our family, i was a little boy, we left already, well

, there it was, it was the khmelnytskyi region and well, we said goodbye like that because we were going on and our relatives were going to another region. there we went to lviv and i did. well, i did . people said, well, somewhere around there for a week or two and we will go to kyiv, because there is such an expectation that it will all end quickly, and then there was some disappointment, then there was anxiety, then the eyes were strained battles in the east, when we don't have enough weapons, we couldn't fire warehouses and so on and there were some people's hands down there, but now, according to the data of the sociological service, the rating if i'm not mistaken, the vast majority of ukrainians believe. well, they don't believe. this is how they prepare and understand themselves that the war will be another six months before victory, or at least until this hot phase ends , it is very good that ukrainians understand, well, they begin to look at things realistically, they stop living in illusions , and in your opinion, ukrainians have become wiser, ukrainians

have become more mature, how do you explain here are these changes in the perception of the war, in the perception of reality, in the views of the future, and what has changed, what is this war, what operation has it done now in the brains of ukrainians , that the vast majority still begins to treat it as an objective reality and stops living in illusions, well, it's just a bloody experience, so here we were, so much in the saturday night of this muscovite reality and uh, in all dimensions , literally from music in uh, in a taxi to books in some novus supermarket of moscow publishing houses and so on that in order to get out of this, as we can see, it was necessary and uh, but you have to understand that all the flaws that the ukrainians had, they stayed with you, they didn't go anywhere, we uh, qualitatively, let's say it hasn't changed completely yet. i

'm afraid that this process er buremnyi will continue and honestly i'll tell you honestly, in order to finally stop playing russian hookah rap from fashionable cars in ukraine, maybe we still need a war, because even this one hasn't moved, well, the worldview of many people, many people, but the first step has been taken, and i think that he it is irreversible, it is not reversible, it is very important not only to win the war, but to think about it, it is necessary to think about it , it is necessary now not only to just war in itself, but also, those who have what we have and so on, the main thing is this process, and it continued for the last for several years, very active in many, let's say, intellectually developed circles, the answers to this question , who are ukrainians, why are we here, and where are we going next

, they have already started to appear, you understand. let's say i lived in the style of a shell so often, uh, this earthquake is terrible , tragic, i don't want to say these words. but maybe it was beneficial because the war has not only negative choices, yes, but also positive ones, but the price is the question, the price is the question of this, so, so, so much our freedom is worth but from our own well, i would say stupidity, even so, you know why art is important, now people can think why write books about war now, why make films, why write music about it, well, now i write poetry, like a novelist well, but now there is no time, well , that is, i understand, let’s say it’s a normal pose to write it , after all, it is necessary for the war to end, it’s obvious

how you say to think about it, and poetry is an emotion because it has people and excites it, it should give some kind of emotional messages both abroad and in ukraine there is always poetry. well, just like music, it is also written from poetry. but why is it important, why is art important, after all, here is yosyp starin, when moscow, when the german troops were stationed near moscow , he summoned from tashkent the heads of the film studio, you come to stalin, a significant frightened , what about stalin? usually, when they call you , you can't expect anything good, and he tells him you will shoot a film about the war about the defense of moscow, and they are gathering cameramen there, then the film was uh for a minute. that is, you shoot for a minute and that too there is no shooting there on the front lines, that means in tanks , planes, and they make a film about the defense of moscow, and the film turns out to be very emotional, it shows the power of soviet weapons and, so to speak, gives people some hope that it turns out that we can kill the germans, it leads to the fact

that stalin understood well, how in principles, people who have a kind of large-scale thinking, are they bad or good, do they understand the power of art, and this film , as they say, came to many people and showed that war is possible, that we can fight, that our fighters can win at the front, we beat the enemy, and this gives some post and now it is very important in these times, while the war is going on, to also shoot it now, there are many videos in telegram youtube we are watching, but somehow we do not have such a finished product. in your opinion, is now the time to make such products, how would you see them and for whom first of all, it should be aimed at the fact that well, i'll say it again. just videos - it's cool. still, there should be a product with a written script, more or less, to show people what we've already been through, because a good fight is an essay about war, in fact, it's all about not it often happens that they win back and then refocus well. not everyone can, but there are people who have not

fought. well, directly indirectly, but they struggle with how to film, how to write, how to convey emotion, and they struggle to feel emotion, the necessary subtle emotion of circumstances in which they are not directly participated is a separate talent separately separate professions in ukraine well listen we have before the war symbols of the problem so where are they suddenly supposed to get high-quality texts, high-quality cinema and so on, i generally noticed a long time ago well, at least it was like that before of a large-scale invasion that the creative class in general in ukraine he ignored, he simply ignored someone, of course, the most stubborn artists there are musicians, what they articulated is not always good , not always talented. but there are some in the text

that are not illustrative and that are able to survive 20-30 years, and let's imagine that in 50 years some young guy with a guitar sits down by the fire and plays a song written now here are such songs now in my opinion, it has not yet appeared because it needs very high-quality calibrated work, well, it is related to the language field, there are not so many people who know the ukrainian language. yes, but not so many people who have grown up with it and understand it perfectly, that's why this is the situation, but art is needed there, it is clear because it gives hope and that it is an important function, it articulates and archives the experience of this civilization. art itself is the best in visual images. it archives the experience of our civilizations. that is, it is our memory, it is our archive thanks to which we survived, this art appeared and obviously, it is

art, of course, it is about the road in the future in general. yes, it seems to me that it will be. by the way, you say that hollywood films do not necessarily need to be in the war to film about it films that will survive, well, on the one hand, we all know that steven spielberg was never in the second world war, but saving private paradise is a very emotional film, very strong images, let's say well, i still have the image in front of my eyes until now, what does this mean, a nazi kills an american soldier so with a knife it means he cuts it slowly and something, we still use a pin. well, it’s, well, it’s sweat. is it, well, in soviet times, there was a movie like this, uh, cranes fly , in my opinion, there is only one shot in the whole movie, they kill the main character, uh, forget it now what is his last name known as i am the soviet people there one shot rings out and this film very strongly conveys the war it is not necessary to show the bloody locale and all these things just like eh again the soviet poet-song vysotsky he

was never in the war, but he says that veterans always they said to him, no, wait, well, we are in the same trench, how could you write such songs, no one will be there, or he had so much during the war, it means that this is a military, military song theme, there are many songs that people still quote, eh and here again, and on the other hand, we also remember remarque, who was in the war, we remember crimingway, who did not fight. well, he was also there, he went to paris there, when he was released, and these works of his became classics, classics of the war theme. let's believe that in ukraine - it will happen again, i think that war will awaken him in someone, you know, as they say, it will not awaken talent, talent is either there or not. maybe it will change the way i see it. no matter where you are, we are all in ukraine at least now and outside of ukraine. maybe they are growing up, and what do you think is this growing up? a different outlook on life, maybe

more self-confidence, this is also very important for a creative person, what not to think somewhere out there there is russia somewhere there is hollywood, somewhere there is someone else, and here we are such small ukrainians from a small culture that is zaarestovych, well, where should we go, we will become braver, more mature with a different view. well, in the end, we are declaring ourselves in this world, and we have actually opened these doors from the foot with such a concrete dry boot, and here i will tell you more that in fact, well, if you are so well, well, hmm , add examples exactly, well, i am not very familiar with the soviet reality, but i remembered that there was such a phenomenon lieutenant's prose, the prose of officers, lieutenants who came in the second world war and already later, in the 60s and 70s, they wrote fiction books that also convey qualitatively, more flexibly, less clerical warfare than was accepted in the

soviet union, and this is actually the kind of prose it is. it appeared already there in the 16th- 18th centuries will be in the 19th century. for example, i wrote a review of dmytro verbych's work - it's just, well, it's just something incredible. i completely forgot about nazar. now i forgot the title of the book, but i highly recommend reading his work. cool, cool guy, he just responded well to my taste, the rest is not very good, but i think it's just her, you know. she is at the base of everything, at the base of the construction of the construction of further such cultural forms, there is already prose, which means there will be a movie, and there will be texts, which means there will be songs. in this regard, i think everything is fine. and now, since such a huge number is directly involved in the war, and among these people there are a hell of a lot of talented people, among them there are

geniuses, so i think that this bloody episode is the most important in the entire history of ukraine. i think that with a thousand there in the year 240, er, this generation will already react well to the war, it will not be able to ignore it , and the main thing is that it will become a mass cult, because it is not tall, it will turn out to be such a high shelf, it is important , eh, there is no high shelf, there will be no oil, so it is absolutely obvious, but in ukraine, there should be a quality mask of its own, including about the war, including a comic, including hookah, rap, etc. and so on and so on simple forms because first of all we live in a time when culture is first all muscovites, there is nothing wrong with this, muscovites it's just as if the culture is smeared on the surface. in this way, it simply becomes available to everyone, from the closest to the highest

, so people who are engaged in high culture must be involved in the creation of the ukrainian moskolt, that is, simple culture, and it is really important to you know, people lived through it, children lived through it, i remember well, you were talking about lukyan prose, do you remember the ukrainian ones written in zagreb, let's say there i remember and still there at home about the immortal oles gonchar without terentiyovych well, because there were many, many of these works, and there was also soviet literature, and kasilia astafyev. well, because these were people who wrote more frankly, and more, as you say , along the party line. -70s eh well, i was most afraid. how much did you read this literature about the war, which means that i was most afraid of the roar of planes that would start bombing kyiv, because the germans started bombing like that at four in the morning. well, actually, i experienced it already at the age of 40 , an explosion in the morning and not one but the other, but that's it it's normal, it's right, that's how it should be, you know , i really believe that this war will give birth to new

politicians, i really believe in it, we won't go into the political topic now, but i really believe that they will come from the war or with volunteer activities or from public activities or people will simply come who will understand that ukrainians also need a new policy, or at least a new political landscape, it will change, it is already changing, and since it will no longer be certain and that is very good and now i want we will see what we watched the video uh, so it means that russia came to liberate donbass, well, as they say, well, first special operations, declassification, now it’s just liberating donbass, but in any case, we ’ll see the video, because uh, you know, the video went viral in lysychansk one girl who sang patriotic songs. when ukraine controlled lysychansk, and then she jumped out of the icy driving matryoshka dolls to the occupiers and said how she was waiting for them, and there were these women who said that they finally saw buckwheat, her oil of any kind they saw something like this in ukraine, which means they welcomed the russian world, the zhduns, so-called, they waited and

welcomed because they could leave in principle, and here is a video of a boy from sloviansk, eh, and we will see how donbas really treats the russian world , let's see which one ukrainian fighters presented a machine gun to his head, no one forces him, he sees his dead person who lived in the same place with him. this is the city of slovyansk, and he says sincerely, i hate the russian world, and here it is very important to move on to the topic. well , first of all i think you can react to this video that you will do it in a peculiar way, please, you didn't see. there is a boy standing there, and next to him is the body of a dead resident of sloviansk, and he says that i feel

very sorry for him. i didn't know him. and i feel very sorry for him. i want to be there for 10-12 years, i will tell you that you touched on an extremely important, almost untruthful topic, ukrainians are often very surprised, it always follows that what is the reason for those people who meet muscovites in matryoshka costumes and so on. punched with whom they watched russian tv there and so on and so on, but in fact, the problem is actually the identity of these people, well , they are simply russian, that's why they were waiting for their own, and that's why they easily perceive a rocket, their own garden, their own house, from their own that's why they didn't care at all about it, if the russians left, uh, well, everything in the country is simply russian, that's what makes sense. well, in identity, you understand. no, they were exclusively of origin , and i call it the muscovite culture , it is one of the forms of local russian identity

so, we will have to do something about it, because we will have to somehow rework everything and join the political nation or do some unpleasant things like some deportation of citizenship exams there and so on, there are people who are leading ukraine here born and not exactly on this ground on precisely on the chest that they are completely immersed in the russian cultural context and therefore are russian russians that's all. by the way, they submitted a petition to the president to introduce an exam for acquiring citizenship such there are things in estonia, there are such things in lithuania and latvia, there are passports of citizens, passports of non-citizens to the united states of america. you have to take an exam on knowledge of the language, on knowledge of the legislation of the history of the united states of america . he submits it to the government and the verkhovna rada. well, in principle, he is right because he is the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and then

the government should do something, but it is important that he is president zelenskyi. he said that it is correct. i can order there myself write now and all this should be a law. well, in any case, i think that it will be, but now how many such blocks are left, we will now briefly discuss them with com-12, it remains, we will have time and start from there. i want to ask you about this arestovych used to say that the russian culture is great and the ukrainian culture is small. we will not appeal to the arrestee. maybe he just knows a small part, as vasyl symonenko once wrote, that in the ocean of his native people he discovers spiritual islands. perhaps these islands have not been discovered and are not they know ukrainian culture, but in any case, this is the last story that shows why it is still important to spread ukrainian, to develop it, to popularize it so that it grows. i don't like her, i don't study her work. well, i don't like it. i don't like it. i don't like it. i 'm not interested. hemingway. i

like him. he's handsome. remark. i like him. i like him. i like you. i like you in the original, so i don't like it. i don't care who what are you going to do like that, horse, despite the fact that i understand that he created such imperial literature, but he is interesting, his fandorin is elegant. from our resources on the ether and quarrels with the presenter, says that no one will stop him, loves to go to ukraine, and there is so little here to promote anything at all and to be who he is. still distance yourself to dissociate from er russian culture of any kind because we are simply told this boy i hate the russian world and i don't want to hear anything from them they had a chance to make a normal state and they didn't make it and now come to the country with blood pays to be normal. i think it is not worth it. in your opinion, is there really a great

russian culture now, and how can we make it so that the ukrainian culture will obviously become great for everyone? well , listen. i think that russian culture. well, it stopped making sense at all at the beginning 20th century and has reached our time in the form of such a funny but bloody effigy. in fact , i generally look at it broadly. i don’t understand why we ukrainians are discussing all these characters there. and for the last 30 years in our life, there are too many russians, there are too many, and they climb and climb and it is impossible to stop it, well, i think that it can be added up to too many russians, they climb and climb war war war war war we don't have to understand them in general, for example, for example, i believe that yes i am familiar with russian culture and

the russian language quite well, but these sigmas are sigmas that simply remained to stigmatize the traumatic experience in the future, this experience is not needed. russian culture is not needed, and the russian language is not needed in ukraine either there is no need for a very simple reason. the thing is that ukrainian culture and the ukrainian language are absolutely functional. they cover all the absolute needs, which can be closed, language and culture, a pragmatic question arises. to hell with this effigy, which has not made any sense for a long time, sometimes they say that ukrainian culture is such a professional man, it is so to say , the arrestees are generally small. culture, if you use such terms, then it is big, why? because it

is simple forms are enough now, but it articulates the value of freedom, a super ideal, a super ideal, about which world i began to forget slowly lately well, comfort, i want an enema in the butt, i want sanatoriums in germany, so to speak, and on green energy, oh, freedom - that's us, by the way. i think it's a spark that passed between us and amlosak from myself in the broad sense of the word, because they even have a mask and high culture this freedom is very well opposed in political culture in legal and so on freedom is the city of the world and this axis of our world freedom does not even matter what we will do with it the very possibility of freedom is already a super value that's all russian culture - it's not about freedom, we definitely don't need it, it interferes with us, and this memory is clogged with images of the soviet, er, cultural past from russia. well, it just takes up space in our

consciousness, we could fill this space, not even with cool classics, we need to re- open papers are no worse than russian ones, but also to create by yourself and become classics, because you can push something out of your head not just by throwing it out, but by pushing it out with your own product, then these places are like a pool, like a pump in pushing out foreign outside is now the generation of great heroes, the generation of future classics, we are the generation of great projects. in other words, it is necessary to understand that our children are our grandchildren and great-grandchildren. fluffist, you know, from russian culture, they always have it. that's why i went to give you the freedom to tire and uh, dobrovsky pushkin and uh, pugachov's war, they always have this battle for freedom, even still shown,

but it's doomed, it was very fun to read them it's sad because you understand that the boyar tsar will win there is some kind of army and even this last movie their liviathan is shown very well when he arrives it means a muscovite somewhere there somewhere some far east he is still defeated, that is, it is still a struggle to be free she is doomed in them so we will now focus on us, we have literally five minutes. i want you to tell us about volunteering, because this is the will when you can help support, finance , popularize and give the army what it needs. can you please tell us a little about your volunteer activities and ask those who have not yet joined why it is important to be a volunteer, please let us use your experience to defeat the enemy and but there is still a moment and a feeling of what it feels like when you join something great, something huge. so someone with a penny, someone invests

his name, reputation, like me. they give me money more easily than anyone else. faster and these resources, if you have people, you must use them