there are sites, it is made from a treasure trove, it has a very low weight, yes, it has a very high cost , such a plate costs about $ 400 per unit, if we say for a standard ceramic plate made of aluminum oxide, it will weigh about 3.5 kg , it costs there 150 dollars if we are talking about a standard metal plate of the fourth class of protection. its cost fluctuates around 7-10 dollars , that is, in fact, there is competition in the cost of the vest and state budgets, that is, there is no problem today even for ukrainian companies to supply or non-vests made of ceramic armor are only budgeted by the ministry of defense, firstly and secondly, we can say for conditional competition you and some technological solutions for the manufacture of a bulletproof vest cover well, what i mean, in fact, we say they are vests that have their own designs

, that is, specialized is a patented solution that allows you to attach a camera bank to the main vest with the help of plastic bottles, instead of welcome, here are some solutions as it is used today by leading companies in the world if we say for the competition of the holy bulletproof vests , then in fact the american boyon vest is not for today according to all indicators regarding the weight of the armor plate test class or not the plates they are the best because today the americans really test their armor plates not according to the extended standard which er needs about 10 shots from a variety of cartridges that allow you to actually fully test the stove, if we say for a technological solution, the americans today also use a more technological one if we say for ukrainian companies, even before the beginning of armed aggression, in fact, ukrainian companies had skeletons in production, which today, ah, well, they almost

completely correspond to vests developed in america, so the only thing except for the fee, because our state has never bought vests called this pass 400 dollars that is, if we are talking about competition in european markets, well, ukrainians have a very normal culture in european countries, the question is only in this one, in fact, because today it is not a vest for most global companies, that is who produce my vests, they may have reached a certain technical level, they all produce a well-known company, very cool armor, which we are actually on the same level with each other, the only question is the cost there, the state’s ability to purchase such er because today the ukrainian state purchases armor we let's say it's not the best, she buys a bathhouse that is actually of normal quality, and at the same time, it has a more balanced overall quality, because in the world, in fact, they don't have vests made of steel armor, and which companies today manufacture exactly

bulletproof vests, what is their number, what is the overall capacity of all ukrainian defense companies, can you produce a certain amount per month? well, if we are talking about the ukrainian market before the start of the war. it is very easy to develop a new one, it was three groups of companies, it was a company of 3000, it was a company of materials science, together with a company of ballistics, and the kharkiv plant of personal protective equipment, these were three companies that were known there even before the start of the war, who took part in the councils that were involved in development, who were suppliers of the ministry of defense, you can say that they are not body armor, but that they supplied tactical equipment there, if we talk about production facilities before the start of the war, then we can

say there after that the company i worked for was the kharkiv personal protective equipment factory. our production capacity was about 5-8 thousand non-vests per month . i understand that the campaigns there are based on the rate of 3,000 there, materials science had approximately such artificial production capacity yes, that is, without a clear increase in the number of people and the increase of production capacity, today the production capacity of e-e enterprises is approximately, we can say somewhere around 10-15,000 non-vests per month, that is, ukrainian companies can produce today approximately up to 45,000 bulletproof vests per month, from the point of view of the duration of the product itself, the bulletproof vest is a protection that lasts for a certain time

or you say after a year, after two we have moved and replace because they also have a certain shelf life, if we say long the ministry of defense, then the service life of the bulletproof vest of the manufacturer's warranty must be at least three years, it is in use if we say storage at least five years, in fact, if we talk about the period of ... bulletproof vest service. there are only two questions here - the preservation of the properties by which elastic package and or on the plates and the same elements during normal use of the bulletproof vest. today, people who bought vests from us back in 2015 contact us sometimes in fact, they will fully fulfill their tasks until today, there are some points regarding hemming. something, some seam that came together or something else. that is, there are no terms that a good non-metal does not exist, such a lowly person can use if they are made with them fabrics 5 7 8 years 9 years in

what kind of elastic materials also if it is polyethylene and it was normal made from the point of view of protection in fact the package it can be there up to 10 years if we refer to the experience of the same americans they some they vests after there service life there for 5-7 years, they take it and give it to the companies, manufacturers, er, for more reefs. well, recycling is what you press, the company er, doses, because it’s not the materials to conduct testing. a new cover and in fact, it can be there 20% of 20 i have a new vest, that is, in fact, its modification, processing and then the reverse stranger in e-e contract with our military who use different samples of bulletproof vests, which feedback with our by the armed forces, what do our

military want to have on the battlefield, either a light body armor or a body armor with a maximum protection area, what do the military themselves say? here are two completely different points of view. if we take 10 people from one military unit and ask each of them will tell his point of view really if we say for a lightweight vest like a tile there is a percentage of 40-50 fighters who say that i need a light and comfortable body armor in addition to water er, very very good at nothing, that is, it is very comfortable in it, you can move very quickly, it does not hinder any movements, it gives him increased mobility for a fighter, that is why some fighters really say that we are ready to sacrifice protection, but it is possible to have more the possibilities of movement on the battlefield, yes, it is water, 50% of the fingers,

some fighters who constantly encountered artillery shelling really say that we don’t even need vests, we don’t need splits, well, give us the most protected vests that will protect against debris, how many kilograms do they have we will actually sacrifice the protection of the fourth class, that is, there is no single opposition to the vest at all, yes, here it is necessary to say that they vest in most cases, it is necessary to raise it under combat under a combat task, also this was the concept of putting water and a new body armor ministry of defense, in fact, we did no no because no vest we made a combat suit that a-a provided for itself, it was a small law, a vest with m-m, what was the sewage protection, it was as comfortable as a plate carrier, and some mats were already added to it, this is neck protection this is the protection of the intestines, this is the protection of the unloaded belt, this is an additional set, not a platform, this is

an opportunity, if necessary, to get plates to run against the olamkovo, unfortunately, here are questions about the concept of using a body armor and insurance of fighters who wear it or do not wear it , or to swim because a unified state concept is needed use because the fighter in most cases will risk his life well to be more mobile and sometimes it is or uh now some work is going on to complete this of the process of a unified approach to body armor that is needed by the armed forces, do they start from the 18th year? actually, this process has been stopped and there is no progress with the information that i have. factory of personal protective equipment i understand that some kind of work may be going on, well, in fact, because

it is being done by specialists of the ministry of defense without the involvement of representatives of commercial companies , the internal developments of each company are really are carried out even today, in fact, that is, the main companies that can already present their own developments on the market in a month and that have already been implemented on the basis of experience in hostilities and the use of weapons in modern warfare, the financial side of this story are you talking about the ministry of defense e-e has limited funds for the purchase of personal protection and therefore makes decisions according to which we buy bulletproof vests with steel plates, which are heavy, and more expensive projects related to ceramic plates, we simply unable to pay for even lighter body armor and in fact allow fighters to act more effectively on the field both this is how the situation looks if we say for the comparison of

metal and ceramic plates here you need to pay attention to the fact that we have three types of ceramics that is used for the production of ceramic plates, first of all, this is the first ceramic - it is aluminum oxide, if we are talking about a full-size plate of the same size as a metal plate, then the plate made of aluminum oxide will weigh well, probably 3.4 kg but in this case, the steel plate will weigh 3.6 , there is practically no difference. if we say that for some material there is already a credit of flint, that is, the weight of the plate will be already 3 kg. if we say for the most expensive material, it is carbide, then water can be already 2.6 kg and here we can say that if we speak for tom, in order to make it as light as possible, the bulletproof vest must be used for selection, as the americans do, the cost will be very high, if we say that in order to save uh, questions and weights, and uh, we

can use aluminum oxide, well, that is, we we are faced with the following question, we will overpay for each plate about $70-80, have a total saving of 400 g visa after that we will have all the problems associated with the use of guide plates why by itself a ceramic plate is very vulnerable to any interference, that is, if a fighter falls and bumps into any obstacle, the ceramics themselves will be damaged, well, in this case, we need to periodically inspect these plates, and by adding gasoline to the devices, it is necessary to have a spare influence for in order to replace a permanent soldier, that is, is this weight of 400 g worth for today in our in our war eh that we will actually increase the budget for the purchase of vests somewhere by 40%. if we say for the transition already american technologies, yes.

it is very interesting, well, in that case, because you do not live, it will cost 2.5 times what is allowed, and today these can be afforded, that is, the leading countries of the world, that is, if we talk about our war, then we literally live on steel plates in such quantities as what kind of army is needed well, mother, this is the only way out today just for some divisions, you can make ceramic plates there, well, for such an army of a million people, today we simply will not financially drag out the transition to ceramics. moreover, i understood an interesting logical explanation for kg. what other projects is the lviv defense cluster implementing today, in addition to the production of body armor, you also mentioned the reservation of cars and about means of demining in more detail, what else can give the armed forces to your company ? well, when we encountered cars today, there are a lot of volunteers and organizations that

civilian vehicles to the front, our team has some experts who took part there, there were deserters who worked there on some documents for nato regarding the use of civilian vehicles in the conditions of hostilities. what is the lviv defense department doing about this ? the first question was about the use of some materials to completely change all uh windows in the car because the first problem ever comes from fighters what uh is damage to the windshield of the car also with a small fragment it completely makes a web what uh it is impossible to use the supply of this car . first of all, in the project of modernization of cars, the lviv defense cluster completely replaces all windows in cars with polycarbonate inserts, which give us the opportunity in the event of an emergency wreck to not have a problem with the formation of cobwebs . secondly, if we are talking about the protection of the

car itself, the most common mp problem is when it hits the radiator of a car, and in fact the car is already a few minutes later. they can be used for this today, developed a special armored shield that is installed in front of the radiator in order to provide actual protection in the theater from possible damage , secondly, thirdly, this is some technical solution, such as the blackout button, with one single button, it completely turns off all the lighting of the car and allows you to make it completely utv at night, it is invisible to the enemy, the third is the installation of protective nets, which can actually be laid there in a few minutes and disguise the car. fourth, today we are considering the issue the installation of additional overtaking elements in the door pillars and e.e. behind the back seat to

enable more efficient use of this car and protection from not only talents or such a fast one, it must be said here that not every car can be owned because there are some weight regulations such as can be used to establish a reservation, that is, these are the main order programs for the things you are talking about, because what you are telling me reminds me of exactly the 14th year when it was necessary to book ordinary civilian cars. it seems that we have entered a new circle with the same requirements and the same problems. is there an order from the military for the solutions you offer? the most controversial moment yes, that is , because we are actually trying to do it from a civilian car, because he has a car that is not provided for him. at first, we even refused

to book who well, considering only the requests from the military regarding the modernization of cars, no only with some technical solutions and the installation of an additional military really began to give a lot of requests for the top that an additional reservation of this car is installed. these are really the needs that are faced today by the soldiers who use civilian assets. maxim, i also know about the fact that at one time you offered the military such there are not unusual things, in particular, such as a plastic belt for a machine gun and a plastic magazine for weapons, are there advances in these directions that previously the same officials of the ministry of defense did not want support well, if we say for e-e developments based on plastic, in january we would have finished our efforts to produce a metal e-e upper mount and have already made a professional mold for the manufacture of upper covers for

machine-gun-machine-gun ships and already in in february, we provided the first samples, we protested, and at first armed aggression, we established a full production of e-e magazines for kalashnikov machine guns, indeed, we cooperated with ukroboronprom on this issue, provided a trial batch when we received from them on in words, very good feedback, questions, then today, everything that is produced from a-a machine gun ships, plastic summers, today is already transferred to the defense force of ukraine through the territory is really a very big point, very good feedback, because in fact, it allows you to reduce the weight, well, significantly reduce it weight for a machine gunner, so if we say for er machine guns a plastic tape, in fact , we have not seen it today, also analog in education, then the weight saving can reach about 3-4 kg, and for each customs officer’s field, that is, well, at the front, it it is used, it is used massively, well, there are no

suspensions from the state, well, it does not exist today. and were there any complaints from users that , relatively speaking, there is plastic tape for a machine gun there, well, it melts, burns under certain conditions, but does not provide the qualities that metal tape provides. well, if we let's say for the temperature regimes , the temperature inside the novice machine gun is lower than the regimes you are in the mode of melting plastic, that is, there were no such complaints at all, sometimes there is a question about the convenience of loading the tape itself because there really is a need for analogues of the rakovo machine , they are being developed for it today. this is probably the only problem that exists - this is a specialized device that will allow you to speed up the loading of tapes . e non-metallic sets for demining,

what is the feature of these solutions, is there a demand for these solutions from our sappers well, first of all, we must say that at the beginning of the war, we probably did not have such great practical knowledge of this reason and we were already departing from the really requests from military apters in order to need a complete set of e-e bags of the navajo sapper , which is already being made completely feelers e cats of various types e-e funds that could be fired entirely from plastic materials so that they in no way could not enter into some kind of confrontation or conflict with modern mines, to undermine it, that is, to completely move away from the metal part, yes, that was really such a waste, well , first of all, you need to understand that any the production of a plastic part is a very difficult process, you need to issue molds first, it costs more than one uah 1,000, more than $10,000 , and it takes 2-3 months, then you will

start mass construction today for some parts. we are already producing the mold these are two types of eh basket where the replacement is chips for washing plastic we are doing something in about 2 months we will already present the first samples of satel bags of a completely new model which even in the world we do not see it will already be tested property which has been tested in today's conflict, you are in contact with the manufacturers of not only bulletproof vests. i know that you have good contacts with those companies that manufacture military uniforms for our soldiers. now winter is approaching, given that time is passing quickly enough, or today there are certain ones, let's say so difficulties with the production of winter uniforms for the ukrainian army, how is this problem solved? well, if we are talking about ukrainian companies, then there are actually about

15 companies that were regular suppliers of the ministry of defense of light direct light of industry yes, today, more of these ladies are involved in the production of summer summer summer uniforms, this is a suit, summer fields, some companies have also started to produce winter uniforms. well, some information i simply cannot disclose. well, in my personal belief, the problem of winter uniforms will be very big or the truth is that we placed a large order for the purchase of winter uniforms from turkey. turkish manufacturers had some difficulties with the quality of the mold itself, which is offered by turkish manufacturers because they sometimes do not correspond to the technical language and the ministry of defense in ukraine , because cooperation with the ministry of defense of ukraine

is enough cooperation, these are very high quality standards. well, here we can really say that the quality standards of the ministry of defense of ukraine were very high in terms of quality materials in terms of resistance to third-party materials, so in fact if we are talking about foreign companies that have never worked with the state of the depot with the ministry of defense of ukraine , the problem really exists, they really will. well, here it must be said that in my point of view, if such contracts were already concluded, there were working groups that analyzed the enterprises. well, apparently, it was necessary to involve ukrainian e-e entrepreneurs who can accurately say about the possibility each specific company to make such a defense with the production of defense orders. there for our state, that is, none of the heads of the company, that is, those who supplied , would refuse to help the state there analysis of enterprises that do not include counterattacks abroad, well, as far as i know, which of the owners, such as her company, will not be receptive

to the process of analysis and selection of foreign suppliers. and what is the problem with our national light industry in terms of meeting the needs of the armed forces ? lack of materials lack of capacity impossibility to meet the requirements of the ministry of defense what is the peculiarity of the fact that we ourselves cannot provide enough volumes of summer and winter uniforms for the armed forces there is no problem the only problem that exists is the speed, the speed of the deployment of production, yes, all the enterprises that were, they were sharpened on a certain speed of production, this depends on the availability of equipment and unqualified personnel, that is, in order to increase production volumes, it took 2-3 months, yes, actually when they say that you can make 100,000 suits there in three months.

materials because after the start of the war we lost some eh enterprises some opportunities for fabric production eh thirdly, in fact, if we talk about the organization of production, then the enterprise can produce one type of products in the most efficient way if we say that we take five typical production rates falls, if we say there for one type of product, the speed will be much higher, well, at the state level, it was possible to start there on the third and he gathered 18 people there who are the owners of the biggest drivers there with which the date of the industry to give instructions, that is, who will carry out, to provide possible state guarantees if to material suppliers, because well, or in that case, there would be an opportunity to be in the first place regarding the supply of material, and today we are actually breaking through foreign markets ourselves, we will be based in the queue for the supply of materials and

we are trying to somehow unite on our own to purchase materials abroad. because some materials are actually no longer produced, for example , the same fabric for body armor and tactical equipment, a high city, nylon fabric, he ordered that the corridor is called, that is, in fact, the company that was part of our holding until the beginning, they first manufactured it, weapons are on the border, we no longer have such opportunities, that is, we are forced to order abroad and at the same time have to have relations with turkish suppliers there with american suppliers and working with them is already a commercial campaign with a commercial company there without any help there demoklat diplomacy or there er-e in our political figures in your opinion who has you it is better to insert this stone of such slow solutions, is it this, should the ministry of defense deal with the minister of technology and defense industry, because these nuances that you are talking about, they did not gather the manufacturers, did not determine the plans, did not ensure the

understanding of the joint strategy, who now bears the greatest responsibility for these such delays in solving the urgent problems of providing for the armed forces, well, no matter what he said, we are not doing anything at all. that is, i was just saying that from my point of view, it was possible to do a little in another way, yes, there is the ministry of defense. there is a specialized department in the area of ​​the tuber , the state procurement department, which procures everything needed by the ministry of defense on the basis of orders from the ukrainian armed forces, yes, that is, they placed the order. on the basis of which he places orders with ukrainian foreign manufacturers yes if we say for maybe consolidation with kyiv manufacturers therefore, first of all, it was actually not er-er not foreseen by their job instructions. that is, they did not have such a task. if such a decision

could be made there first, blame and drink in a completely different way. to say that someone did not do it well, in what kind of task did they provide, there were no job resources, there was no such possibility of such a system to do it, they did it according to their payments, according to the instructions, there is a request there are offers from manufacturers, there is supply, and already the consolidation of manufacturers is more of an association, there is no professional association that joined this, that is, and constantly helped us, they concluded a probook in general, someone also helped me manufacturers, well, there was no coordination at the state level, well, there was no, or was it necessary. well, in my opinion also in the main it would have simplified the actual launch of the enterprise, their work, because it has a short answer to such a question, why should we use the help of lend-lease in order

to develop the production of bulletproof vests in the country on new technologies with the involvement of domestic enterprises, is this direction promising? can we master it in a short period of time, if we say for any ukrainian production, today all the necessary technologies of ukrainian manufacturers are available, yes, that is, we can say that in the production of military products needs today rather, it is not easy to be directly applicable to the medium industry, that is, we need today to say in favor of investments and deployment on the basis of technoparks entrepreneurs who will make thread, who will make fabric, who will make layers of fittings, this is already a medium-sized industry for this. we actually have specialists in ukraine, there are enterprises, apparently, the company lacks opportunities for state lending, are you considering such large projects and a clear

strategy of the state regarding the order if we are talking about you today about the issue of new enterprises that will supply fabric for the manufacture of any form or equipment, then the payback period yes, the investment payback of such an enterprise is 5-7 years, someone can comment that the state will bury a large amount of military equipment for 5-7 years or not, so the enterprise today is faced with such a choice . after all, buy it from turkey, and in ukraine only have light industry, in fact, welding equipment that will do everything here, the question is about the guarantee of the state, the manufacturers, the manufacturers can even have funds to find, that is, understanding, we asked for a year, because today we have all the orders that are coming in. they are also going until the end of the year.