and an understandable strategy of the state regarding the order, if we are talking about you today about the issue of new enterprises that will supply fabric for the manufacture of any forms or equipment, then the investment payback period of such an enterprise is 5-7 years. can someone comment that the state 5- 7 years will buy a large amount of military equipment or not , that is why the company today is faced with such a choice. is it necessary to develop something today in ukraine, medium-sized industry or is it easier to buy anyway? this is about turkey, and in ukraine, the method only light industry, in fact, the welding equipment that will do everything here is a question of the state guarantee, the producers can even find the funds, that is, the understanding of the order for the year, because today we have all the orders that are going they are also going until the end of the year, there is no order two or three years in advance no if today the company were to say that we can sign a three-year contract for the supply of vests for this year's contract, then in fact the

company has already laid out or funds in new equipment would provide funds for specialists, that is, everything can be done with it, you need to understand that planning is needed, we did not have such a plan and do not have it. thank you for this important conversation, and i will remind our viewers that our interlocutor was maksym plekhov, the chairman of the board of the union of volunteers and enterprises of the defense cluster lviv defense cluster my name is serhii zgurets, so watch our defense issues on the espresso channel, the petition demanding to return espresso to the digital air will also be interesting the fifth and direct channel received more than 25,000 votes on the website of the cabinet of ministers, ukrainians stood up to defend freedom of speech, now it's the government's turn, don't ignore the opinion of ukrainians, return ukrainian informational tv channels, digital broadcasting, so that ukrainians don't think about anything, no matter what they talk about

, the war still comes first war and our victory seven days a week from monday monday seven different spheres of human activity sports culture politics eight presenters espresso journalists experts opinion leaders in real time about the most current events through the prism of war every day author's projects on espresso glory to ukraine this is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all about the participation of belarusians in the russian-ukrainian war putin's gas blackmail of europe the announced offensive of the ukrainian army in the south we are talking today with our guest this is the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 politician and diplomat volodymyr hryshko, mr.

volodymyr, i am glad to welcome you to our program good health to you . i hope that with the joint efforts of information, political, military, diplomatic, we will definitely win, let's start with putin's gas blackmail, because we have been watching for the last few days how the russian federation is reducing the supply of gas to western europe, while minister siv in france bruno lemer said that the french government is preparing to completely stop the supply of russian gas to the russian government. the siemens turbine, which was being repaired in canada

and which is necessary for pumping gas on the northern stream, one ukrainian side reacted quite harshly to this, saying that it is not possible under a sanctioned state, in what way to encourage the violation of international rules, since there are sanctions and this country has to be under strict sanctions, let's listen to what volodymyr zelenskyi said about this story with the gas turbine, because it is very important and relevant for the current system of sanctions that will be against the russian federation the ministry of foreign affairs had to summon the representative of canada in our country due to an absolutely unacceptable exception to the sanctions regime against russia, this concerns not just some turbine for the nord stream gas pipeline that canada should not have, but still decided to hand over to russia, it concerns common rules if the state is a terrorist can squeeze out such

an exception to the sanctions, what exceptions will she want tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, this issue is very dangerous, and dangerous not only for ukraine but for of all the countries of the democratic world, the decision on the sanction exception will be perceived in moscow exclusively as a manifestation of weakness, such is their logic, right now you can have no doubt that russia will try not just to limit as much as possible, but to completely stop such gas supplies to europe at the most acute moment, and this is exactly what we need to prepare for now this is now being provoked because every concession in such conditions is perceived by the leadership as an incentive for further stronger pressure, mr. volodymyr, you as the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine were a witness i remember very well more than one gas blackmail of the russian federation in the seventh and eighth years of 2007-2007, the 8th and 2009 years, when russia simply put

the ukrainian state in front of the fact that there might not be gas in the winter that there might be gas too high a price, that it will be unacceptable for enterprises and citizens, and now you are observing the gas blackmail of european states, what can you say about this practice, which has existed for a long time, we have tried it on ourselves for a long time , but now we see how the russian federation even for half a year before winter actually accelerates this topic, the topic of gas shortages and blackmailing europe, well, you know, mr. sergey, i really, when i hear these reports about turbines and about repairs , pseudo-repairs and so on, i definitely remember what we experienced in 2006 and 2009 when uh, so demonstratively, under the camera, they blocked the uh

gas valve for supplying it to ukraine when we were accused of stealing six with slogans and so on. well, then we, uh, i remember it very well, tried to explain it to our western partners what uh is uh blackmail it's a weapon it's a method to put on one's knees and so on and so on. well , they didn't hear it because they didn't want to hear it. today, i think they heard it very well, and thank god they will draw conclusions from it today. i watched the next one today. it is more delicate to say well, the next submission of ms. sakharova on her telegram channel and she knows now so with such uh, well, uh, with such skepticism, she says, but what about

all this european green energy when uh, well , there and lists the countries that are restoring thermal power plants that are resuming production coal and so on and so on nothing nothing er they really er they will survive these two winters in quite difficult conditions like us by the way but er exactly in two years i think the end of the 23rd year and the beginning of 24 will be the last winter when russia sold its gas, its oil, its coal to european countries. and then i think that there will be a sad song because you can blackmail, you can block the gas pipeline there, you can repair it there for months and the like. but when there is nowhere to go working on gas means gas wells they will start to shut down and it will be impossible to restore it, that's why

we all perfectly understand what this means for the economy of the russian federation as this gas station that lives mainly at the expense of energy carriers, so i think that in europe it should be clearly understood that energy from russia this addiction is addiction itself and this is addiction. that is why we have to finally get rid of it, we have to go through several unpleasant months, but it is impossible to solve the situation in any other way. well, in russia there was this tool that influenced not only ukrainian politics in ukrainian politics very many people became multi-millionaires or billionaires thanks to this gas, and then it actually all got out of our hands since 2014, when it became clear that a very large number of ukrainian politicians were dependent on russia. it was

russian gas, too. we observed it in europe as well well, at least in the position behind hungary, i understand that the energy component there was quite large and remains quite large, because through hungary both oil and gas enter europe and other countries, in what way did europe fail this moment when gas became a political weapon for russia, how did it happen that, well, the whole of europe actually sat on the gas needle of the russian federation well, for sure serhiy, in fact, the tools are what in relation to ukraine, what is in relation to western europe, here are such saunas and you mentioned them, this is corruption, this is blackmail and bribery well that we don't remember about our political figures with gas crowns on their heads because we don't know what was behind it, we don't

know how they were bought, sold and resold, well, that's perfectly known, well, some light did someone sit in an american prison for 10 years? well, life was different, but the tools of russian politics were the same. well, by chance, mr. shcheodoro ended up in a warm chair. in moscow in gazprom and then ridicule and definitely or not. it’s not that simple or the same fionn is the former example of france and so on. that is, it’s all uh-uh far uh-uh and deeply planned operations that actually corrupted uh-uh both the ukrainian top and the western one, and the answer to this question is yes

banal, you just need to want less money, well, less money, unfortunately, in our country and in the west, politicians suffer from this disease very, very much, well, this is canada's decision to return this turbine, ottawa explains by saying that in this way, this step supports europe's ability to have access to reliable energy while europeans continue to refuse russian oil and gas in the face of these endless sanctions against the russian federation canada's departure from this sanctioning practice what does this mean? does this mean that moscow will perceive this as a certain step back and that in this way, gradually, gradually, moscow will achieve

the cancellation of those sanctions that currently exist against russian politicians, against russians, and against ordinary russians? well, you know , there are many different things about this turbine. opinions and i have at least heard from specialists who technologically it is not a problem at all because there are enough other turbines that are able to pump pump this gas so it is just a prevention which er well it may be, it may not be but this is not a critical moment here, in fact, uh, russian blackmail, which well, now, uh, has it revealed itself to full power, or is canada 's refusal, uh, dramatic, i think no, i don't think that this uh, will mean that russia this stage will be dictated by its own conditions. we have already arrived and

there will be no more. well, there will be an attempt to find some, well, certain compromises in order to somehow survive these years. well, look at the european commission after the transit of russian goods to lithuania, except for players region and lithuania he says no, no, we act absolutely within the framework of the sanctions that already exist and the european commission can do nothing with lithuania. well, here i see in this canadian history mainly the traces of germany, the pressure of germany on canada, and will try to convince canadians that without of this turbine, well, in germany, it will be very bad, or an economic collapse, and so on and so forth. this is not true, even if you imagine that the nord stream alone will simply cease to exist.

can transport up to 130 billion cubic meters of gas. this is more than these two northern streams together, therefore, in principle, there is no problem here at all . to raise the degree by escalation, actually. it seems to me that there is an explanation for whether there are sanctions on the future. i think that this will not affect in any way, er, we know that the next seventh package of sanctions is already being prepared, they will be like this prepared themselves, that is, this skating rink will go further, of course there will be certain nuances , but all the same, the skating rink is going and the russian economy is cracking because of that. well, we will just have to, for

a certain period of time. it is not for nothing that i mention well, and about gas, because mr. volodymyr, it will be interesting to simply observe how the leaders of the european states of western europe will react to the demands or to any claims against the citizens of these countries in the event that they are cold in their homes, will they not have enough gas or is there your opinion is a danger the fact that this winter the sanctions against the russian federation will still be eased because of this winter because of the difficult situation that will be evident in europe, well, in ukraine, it will definitely be difficult, sergey, we still have a little less than half a year and a lot of things will depend on how the armed forces of ukraine

end their summer-autumn operation, i think that if it is as planned it will end with a successful release of all ukrainian lands or none less than 99% of these lands, i think that the situation will change radically both politically and economically and internationally. therefore, it is still too early to talk about it now, but if the situation remains as it is for europe, we just have to begin a very broad campaign of clarification in

the countries of the european union and nato that this is actually a payment for the policy that the governments of these countries have been conducting towards russia for the past 30 years it's really worth the money because it was impossible to make absolutely uh, well, inadequate decisions, the same germany, well , look, uh, with uh, get into gas in dependence on russia by 40-45%, well, this is already higher than uh, of all possible limits. yes, no it is possible to do, so it was either some kind of er-er calculation that everything will be fine, you dear vladimir er-er will be a good er-er president, or it is er, well, just some malicious actions in relation to one's own country, so what

then do i think that the german citizens will have to ask the previous leadership why so what happened and why did germany end up as a hostage of the fascist russian regime? well, actually, this is what i think will have to be started in the near future so that by the winter, the german public has started to ask such questions to the authorities. well, you were absolutely right in because we still have a long way to go and it is not clear what the consequences will be of the offensive of the ukrainian army and the use of western weapons, we have seen over the last few days how warehouses are burning in the occupied areas in the occupied areas of the kherson region of donetsk luhansk, that is, this is only the beginning of the great offensive and the beginning of a great war already in ukraine to protect

our territory from the russian federation. however, we are still waiting for a meeting of the so-called rammstein group on july 20, at least the pentagon of the secretary of defense of the united states of america, lloyd austin, said about this about this to our minister of defense oleksiy reznikov that such a meeting will take place and it is clear that they have already met twice in this format, the first format, i will remind our viewers, was at the rammstein air base on this air base of the united states of america in germany, the second time, in an expanded composition , this group, uh, met and discussed aid to ukraine, or rather, this group of 40 ministers of defense, more than 40 ministers of defense are participating in

this rammstein that they will support to the end ukraine what to expect from the third rammstein considering the fact that the whole world, including the ministers of these forty countries, saw that the ukrainian army is ready to fight to the end to the victorious end well, i think that we can expect the continuation of this line. i think that uh and you absolutely right when the military sees that their help is giving results that the ukrainian armed forces are using this newest equipment even better than their own armed forces could use it and this is really a colossal advertisement for these weapons look against the background of the fact that these s-400 waves are

sold by russia for billions, including excuse me. unfortunately for the nato allies, i mean turkey, they are powerless against the same aymers. that means that, well, the ukrainian armed forces in real conditions not theoretical e-e there on the training grounds, but in real conditions they demonstrate that western models of technology are an order of magnitude higher, more technological, more successful than russian ones. that is, by the way, this is also another blow to such an important sector of the russian economy, the export of weapons is not small, but it is approximately as much as russia receives from e-e export of its gold so, drop by drop, this adds up to a very serious e minus for the russian economy, which ultimately will not fulfill this, but returning to rammstein, that is, this means that the ukrainian armed forces

really open up opportunities for our defense partners to demonstrate the advantages of their offensive and defensive weapons with the hands of ukrainians, because our heroes show what it means to learn quickly and what is the quality of applying it, and these compositions that are performed are a wonderful confirmation. i am not talking about the fact that in the event that enough forces have been accumulated and several cities, let's say, in the south or in the east, there will be -e again e-e released by ukrainian fighters, there is no bigger and better advertisement in order to supply weapons further, in my opinion

, but by the way, about the weapons used by russia and the supply of these weapons, information appeared that iran plans to deliver hundreds of combat drones to russia for use in the war against ukraine this was stated at a briefing by the national security advisor to the president of the united states of america, jake sullivan, according to him this confirms the data that the russian military is facing difficulties military armaments after losses so when we talk about the current russian ukrainian war, we usually say who is our friend and who is our enemy, and of course many questions arise now about iran as a country that is ready to sell hundreds of combat drones to russia and what does the picture look like in this situation for of the russian federation, you are a

person who very well characterizes the security system and the system of mutual relations that exist in the world . what can you say about the associates of the current russian federation and about those who believe that russia it should not exist in this form, and even more so under the leadership of vladimir putin." named these countries-so uh, these are the same uh, autocratic regimes, and thank god that they are as, in particular, the same morning who live in a non-democratic paradigm of development and in an autocratic one, where human rights do not exist at all, where he said, and that's

where it all ended, all debates stopped and so on . that is, it is very limited and the narrow field of ukraine but you know we don't care so much about all these political regimes, like the fact that the russian federation's appeal to them for help means the collapse of the myth that russia imposed on the world, we are the strongest, we are the best, we are the most powerful, we after four months of the war, russia has nothing to fight for. if it turns to iran for drones or drones, i think that they don’t have baktars, and the quality of their armed forces is significantly inferior. well, let’s say that the very

turkish qualities if moscow deconserves tanks the 60s, and this is a pile of metal, it’s a scrap metal that just drives around and shoots some shots into the sky, not a mission, so this means that the russian military machine will soon collapse, and you too. you know, this appeal of the russians to the iranians confirms my opinion even more that very soon , ukraine will have a real, not only psychological, but also practical advantage on the battlefield, because no matter how much that iran has provided drones are nothing compared to this help that will go after this same design and four after that

finally, the american winx will work to the fullest extent, and believe me, we are now approaching the point when russia will reduce its potential and ukraine will increase it. and from this point we will count the days until our complete victory, we all remember and saw this how sergey lavrov was boycotted at the meeting of the g20 foreign ministers and we remember what lavrov said about it , but now lavrov's mouth is maria zakharova saying that russia can boycott the meeting what do you think of the g20 about the upcoming meeting that will take place in november 2022 in indonesia and where vladimir putin has been invited? in

your opinion, will he come there or not, or is it possible that the president of indonesia will still not invite putin, considering what was actually happening? is it happening in ukraine or will this boycott be in the style of the soviet union, when soviet athletes boycotted the olympics that took place in the united states of america, you know, i have already talked about it, and now i can only repeat once again that the russian diplomacy ceased to exist a long time ago, it is gone, and mr. lavrov has long ceased to be the minister of foreign affairs and minister of propaganda, and his entire structure is the ministry of propaganda, what zakharova says. well, we all understand that

you can safely putting skabeeva in the ranks of vsimanyan, er, solovyov, and other selected propagandists is one and the same, so er, there is nothing really new here, and we all understand that the situation with diplomacy in russia will not improve in any way until the moment we at least this regime will not go down in history relative to lavrov himself. well, you see, if you have sold your soul to the devil , you must already dance to his opinion, and i think that he perfectly understood what kind of meeting they would arrange for him in indonesia, but in the meantime he had to go because he told him so, he went and got his own rehearsal