uh well, we all understand that uh, you can safely put her in the ranks of skabeeva there, everyone, uh, nightingale, there and other selected propagandists , it's the same thing, that's why there's nothing really new here, and we all understand that the situation with diplomacy in russia will not improve in any way until the moment, well, at least this regime will not go down in history in relation to everything lavrov. well, you see, if you have sold your soul to the devil, you must already dance to his tune, and i think that he perfectly understood what kind of meeting they would arrange for him indonesia, but in the meantime he had to go because he was told so, so he went and got a real rehearsal of everything that happened in if

putin comes there in november, i think the situation will be even worse than it was then, do you remember in australia when he was sitting alone somewhere at a table, no one wanted to approach him, that's the same thing. i think what will happen now if he doesn't pass the risk, but i think it won't happen because it's another way to show him personally what they don't want with him communicate what they don't want to shake his hand. don't you want to even stand next to him so that it counts as a better way to solve some problems, so i think that it will be done as usual when the country is expelled, let's say, for betraying europe, 20 minutes before of this decision, russia loudly declares that she herself is leaving this organization, well

, there were several cases of the same. i think that it will be and now it is unlikely that the president of indonesia will withdraw his invitation, it was not, but i think that -e other channels e-e from indonesia for information about what would be better to refrain from creating problems for indonesians or other guests, that's why i think there is a chance that putin will risk coming to indonesia, well, it's almost important, vladimir, i 've asked you several times over the past four months about are there diplomats or state leaders left in the world who are ready to shake vladimir putin's hand after the war that he unleashed in ukraine, as of today, what would you say is the proportion of those countries and those leaders who are

still ready perceive putin as a person entering his 20s leaders of countries that influence the world economy and when they will finally stop inviting him to the meetings of the big seven . are civilized and not very if we talk about the first group, then no one will shake hands with him, you can see it already, it is already on well, so to speak, a very bad tone and even those uh, brave leaders in quotation marks who tried to him in some ways

there is convincing and everything else, it is clear that this is monkey work. well, there is no chance that something will happen. this is a clinical case that cannot be cured by conventional means, but there is a second part of the countries, which, by the way, is also represented in the 20s. which are dependent to a certain extent on russia. and if we take a broader view of the 20th, let's say the countries of asia, latin america, then there are a number of countries that receive help from russia in the form of money, weapons, advisers, of course, because this e hired killers and so on for in order to support one or another. the same regimes and the like, that's why it's more difficult here. but you and i are talking about the standards of the civilized world

, to which others must eventually come . e-e leader in quotation marks e-e new e-e countries that, well, to civilization simply do not belong, this is what has already been used, at least in the brains of civilized humanity from those countries with which you can do business, and in relation to others, well, believe me- after all, the usa and europe account for 60% of world gdp, as it were it was not much more than 1% in russia and much more than in many others together, so i think that even china, which is so far from democratic standards and principles today, understands that it is simply economically profitable for it to fight with russia, because the whole its export

power goes precisely to the west. therefore, russia has no chance of becoming a center of attraction for certain countries, unless, frankly, hmm, the author of such authoritarian, democratic candidates, and the same morning, there is a discussion about what is currently happening in of course, the russian federation and its future are also affected by what they testify about what they say about the future. last week, putin met with the leaders of the factions, and gennady zyuganov, the permanent leader of the communist party of the russian federation and the leader of the faction in the state duma, asked putin what he thought about what should be built in russia, is capitalism possible, what is the way to transition to socialism? well, i understand that their communism is also, let's listen to what putin actually said, and this is the

question-answer that sounded socialismy ego there is no one to win, that's why i'm waiting for you in the next speech, you will already set socialist tasks, the owner is sitting nearby, smiling, and we already like this idea. досточные фиктивно работает надо смотреть what concerns the participation of the state, this is what sport would be like. as a rule, where does the state need to participate? in the form of well, this is what we will definitely decide in the course of discussions, in the course of disputes, these people who sit at that table in putin's office and think about something there

, about some kind of socialism, about communism. they completely robbed russia and they should have long ago there are already some uh to come to some social standards, but when their soldiers come to ukraine and steal, i'm sorry, toilets from apartments, well, what are they talking about, uh, this is a complete imitation, and it is clear that these imitators can not make any drastic decisions simply hmm, there is only one line that is not vladimir putin, why did i mention this discussion and capitalism or socialism in russia, because on july 15 in russia there is to be a meeting of the state duma and a special meeting of the security council of the russian federation, and i remember very well i understand how

similar events took place before the great war, and when putin was just pointing out the same thing. well, what should be done and so that he is not mistaken. by the state duma and the council of security because there are a lot of assumptions about what could happen next, that russia could officially declare war on ukraine, that a mass mobilization could be announced there, that eventually the state duma and the security council could decide on the annexation of several regions of ukraine to russia, and in this way already threaten what about ukraine? if you attack warehouses in the kherson region, you will be dealing not only with ordinary weapons, which they use now during the war, although it is unusual, but with nuclear weapons. what to expect from the russians is it possible to understand them as a russian mind, or is it possible to measure them

with one arshin and understand what they want before the start of your question, let's discuss about socialism or capitalism, well, that's all. -e in the autocracy paradigm and it has not disappeared anywhere from the first e-e prince in quotation marks who was appointed by gordius to the last prince who is today the president of this state. that is, there is no other way of existence than e-e this very vertical e-e baren slave e-e and everything actually revolves around this not around the social e-e some order but around

this wild e-e purely russian-asian e-e vertical e therefore e he can tell any fables there about some discussions there and actually we are saying what to expect eh you are right eh in russia eh you can only wait for what comes to mind at a specific moment on the same mm greetings to the ruler eh who will become either with the left or the right foot and from the fate of not only his state may depend on this, but unfortunately also those who it is close and far from it, so uh, i think that uh, you can read any uh, unexpected things, but believe me, well, they already uh, they can't surprise you with something. well, well, uh, he will say that

there is khersonshchyna, or part of it this food of our kherson oblast is declared the russian federation. well, what? well, he said that uh, independent states are uh. these are the shortcomings of uh, ldn. well, what, eh, in what way does this change our attitude to all this? does it change the attitude of eh ? well, ukraine. i've always been here before that. absolutely not . well, if he, uh, threatens with nuclear weapons. once again well, yes. well, this is not the first time. well, unless he can announce there that he will bring his troops to a state of heightened combat readiness. yes, he did it once, and maybe more than once, that is, uh i don't think it's possible to wait for something extraordinary because he's run out of all his tools. i'm just saying that he'll continue to threaten nuclear war. well,

but hmm, it's already kind of over the top, so i think it's just fueling hysteria. pushing the fact that anyway, we are big and can still shake with his nuclear stick, but no more among those who support and are complicit in putin's war in this great war - this is oleksandr lukashenko, we have already discussed this with you several times and tried to analyze lukashenko's actions, and it is clear that analyzing the actions of a person who is completely dependent from russia is very difficult. however, what lukashenko says. he says that we will build a union state. although they started building this state, if i am not mistaken, 15 years ago,

but let's listen to what lukashenko said to his parliamentarians became more active in working in the russian direction, with sovereignty, independence, and the sacred interests of the belarusian people. well, it is necessary to understand that russia has global interests, and they also have corresponding views on the development of belarus, and this is correct. today, everyone has already understood what belarus is for russia and russia for belarus in this plan, we will also be able to activate and preserve sovereignty and independence, we must do the maximum for cooperation in the economy, for our unity, for our unity. so that no one could throw a stone at us, that we did not move to this issue, the relationship was with russia. well, this is the position of the self-proclaimed president of belarus. they are now quite actively discussing the possibility of the participation of the belarusian army in the

war and the west of the belarusian army from the north of ukraine. what do you think? does it depend on lukashenka now, or is it stupid that they are just thinking about whether lukashenko will go for it or not because the decision -making center is located in moscow after all. it is obvious that lukashenko has long since lost the ability to making some er independent decisions, although you see in this phrase that you cited on the same er, the line sounds very clearly er and yours, our er, that is, we are a sovereign at the same time, we will definitely work with russia, that is, it is not what it used

to be. with his armed forces and so on, i think that lukashenko, like a cunning fox, perfectly understands that the russian army as well as russia itself. somewhere it has already switched to the formula from the bazaar, it is no longer up there, it is already burning and he does not want to get directly into this story because well, if imagine if there is at least one battalion of belarusian troops crossing the border, well, it will mean that er, all his ways are already cut off, so he can say what well, that's how they forced me, yes, we airfields were used by the russian aviation, but eh, my soldiers, eh, were at home, we did n't make a single church of our rifle, it was the russians and so further

and so on, there is at least some uh, well, some livestock the excuse that it's not us, it's them. and if you already give the order, and the order should come from him, because he is, after all, their pseudo-constitution, the supreme commander-in-chief, that is, then that's all, that's why i think that it won't be until the end uh, the decision to involve the belarusian troops is from him to the last, he will look for some excuses why not to do it, but he will give his military infrastructure so that the russians can use it very well. that for the offensive of those forces that are currently assembled in belarus well, it's just not hmm well, it's not enough, it could be a provocation at the border so that's one thing

, but the next thing by the way, volodymyr, they say that lukashenko is trying to play from russia and e experts of the american institute for the study of war, they say that the self-proclaimed president of belarus continues to give russia access to the airspace of belarus in order to demonstrate the nominal support of the russian president by vladimir putin without the risk of direct participation of the belarusian armed forces in the war, well, in the meantime , information has appeared that the authorities of belarus may be able to temporarily limit the departure of the country's citizens abroad if it conflicts with the interests of national security, such a norm is contained in the draft law that has reached the parliament of ukraine, well, that is, belarus is turning into north korea, and this may also be a sign that lukashenko still thinks that if the belarusian army goes on the offensive against

ukraine, he will still have to carry out mobilization and people can simply leave the borders of the republic of belarus well, of course, we will follow two events: the meeting of the state duma and the security council of the russian federation. because that is where i think the russian-ukrainian war will be resolved, and the general situation in the post-soviet space, volodymyr i can't help but ask you as an experienced person, as a person who knows everything about world diplomacy, about this dispute, what is the dispute in absentia between the ukrainian side and victoria, viktoriya sparts congresswoman who lives in the united states of america, we know that she wrote an open letter to joe

biden and demanded that he answer the question who is andriy yermak, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine reacted quite harshly to this, they said that in principle during the war, such questions are not necessary in such a way to insert and there was a very big discussion in the media and social environment of social networks e.e. serhiy sydorenko and serhiy musaeva from ukrainian pravda interviewed victoria sparts, who was once a citizen of ukraine in the early 2000s, she left ukraine, got a higher education here, then made a political career in the united states of america, what does sparz say and why does she talk about why she wrote such a letter to biden, let's listen to the question for me if i spend money american records if we help your

country, we can, we must, we will make sure that the money goes to those guys who are fighting, who are fighting in your country. well, you are not sure about this now, can you explain what the main problem is that allows us sit down and check that this system should exist to some things that may be problems from our side, but the problems were solved from our side . now the problem is well, obviously, the main problem is not andriy yarmak, but the lack of control over e-money that comes to ukraine and the problem with the formation of such a specialized corruption prosecutor's office. regarding how ukraine behaves in relations with the

united states of america. how do you feel about this absentee discussion? especially if it is taking place during the war, what conclusions should we draw here in ukraine, mr. serhiu? when the question is asked, what pspans wrote a letter to president biden well, in that coordinate system and in ours, by the way, you have to answer such letters, i don't think that this answer will be a response to the american political system . e is absolutely impossible and unacceptable, so such an answer should be in essence , and for some reason it seems to me that uh, when preparing this

answer, the american side uh will bring to the leadership of our country certain points that i think cannot be taken into account, so i am looking forward to when all the answer will appear, do you mean that the americans will give an unambiguous answer to whether andriy yarmak has a relationship with russia or not? will make the right choice why do you think that in this situation, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine was involved in this discussion in absentia, because well, in reality, it is not a question of the ministry of foreign affairs to give a response to a congresswoman to a letter that she also addressed to the president not of ukraine

but of the united states of america. it simply shows all the complexities of functioning of the foreign policy machine in ukraine as a whole. this history will have an impact on our future relations with the united states of america because we understand that in the current situation, washington plays an important key role, we understand that a lot depends on washington and rammstein, which will take place on july 20, and the decisions of key countries in the world and many, many things. well, actually, the finale of the russian-ukrainian war, i agree with you, mr. serhiu, the united states will play extremely important, well, the most important thing is that what is happening on the fronts today, and that is why

we cannot question either this practical help to our armed forces or the political perspective of relations with this country therefore, i repeat it, i really hope that the reaction of the ukrainian side will be appropriate, because i repeat once again questioning such things as weapons, as a whole, our victory. well, there is no digestion, and at the end of our program, i want to ask you about the resignation of boris johnson, because it is clear that boris johnson played an important role during these four months of the russian-ukrainian war, he has always been close to ukraine, he has always been close to zelenskyi , the most critical moments.

you know the policy of this country towards ukraine regarding aid to the ukrainian state. i think that it will not be able to change it, as we say in relation to the americans , two-party and two-way support is the same, and here i think that it is not about changing the leader of the conservative party, the course of britain will change. even if you imagine that later this is a normal process, other political forces will come. will it radically change anything? - this is not the last his political position now began to actively say that, well, enough let's put it this delicately, the current secretary general of nato must have a figure who understands the strategy of uh,

don't look down on yourself, but people are all ahead, this is the function of uh, such a leader, at the same time, of such an organization, so if this idea will continue , so i think that we will repeatedly see boris johnson in ukraine and maybe even not just as a guest as the head of this organization to which ukraine will finally belong there thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation. i wish you good health. take care of yourself and your family . let me remind you that this was volodymyr, a politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009. the program was conducted by serhiy rudenko, and i say goodbye to you. we continue to

search for 11- year-old danilo, a coachman who disappeared in the temporarily occupied border region of luhansk region. i already told about the story of the disappearance of this boy, and at first almost nothing was known about his fate. very important details that give us hope that everything is fine with the given person and most importantly that he is alive. at first we only knew that the given was given to zivoruzhno along with his father and grandmother and the connection with them was lost. others are given by a grandmother who lives in new york, you are the god of the sea every day, so that a real miracle happened, that they found them, that they were alive. lives in kyiv and it so happened that he simply did not know about the disappearance of his nephew, the husband immediately

decided to join the search and did everything possible to find out at least something about the fate of the data. we spoke with him on the phone and this is what he said. what a third person who saw said to her there, then i found out about a relative of that woman from the mykolaiv region. well, there was a whole scheme and the husband managed to do it . it would seem impossible as a result of painstaking searches. he did find out about a woman who reported that on june 21, danya saw his father and grandmother, a person who lives in the same house, she said that they are alive, they are hiding in shelters, she says that they are alive with them. it is good. that dania with her father and grandmother allegedly still live in a five-story house, they survive at night, they hide in a shelter and during the day they go up to the

apartment, dania's uncle above all wants to believe that this information is true, one says that while if they do not see photos of their relatives, they will not stop their search. for now, this information has not been fully confirmed, that is, when i saw that they were definitely found, we have photos and videos that they are alive, so far i would just order that 100%. we still need to check, we were also given quite encouraging information by grandma data, who lives in the united states and how she can try to help from there. in search of her grandson, she says that one day data's father appeared on the internet and she tried to call him. my son-in-law's phone appeared in telegram and i started dialing him all the time it was busy busy busy but i don't know how many times i dialed 20-30 times i don't remember anymore and then i still couldn't get in touch