to international international politics in the middle east, the opposition to the strengthening of the position early and early, as well as military aid to ukraine and joint opposition to russian aggression, then the president of the united states visits saudi arabia, and they talked about the fact that there will also be a certain provision of weapons of certain types of weapons specifically to saudi arabia arabia, i understand that in response to the strengthening of iran, one of the main goals is to get out of the fuel crisis, including your comment, which is the ukrainian issue here in the first place to stand looking for weapons, the ukrainian issue is one of the first places, that is, it should not be reduced here to ukraine and there, but according to your reasoning, proximity is important for america, it has always been. that is why the two leading allies here, israel and saudi arabia , are interesting to israel here, or the exchange is complicated relations with affairs, and in particular with the former prime minister nistaniyak, but those who are now in power will say that the centralists of the prime minister are cycling, let's say that there are no big problems here. well, they want to push israel

to greater active support of ukraine and condemnation of russia, this is true, because so far israel takes such a neutral position , which is very unfortunate. to defend ourselves against russia in relation to soviet arabia, then a large part of the american electorate was simply categorically against this visit, criticizing the fact that he would go, he mentioned that he himself repeatedly during the election campaign called his case in different bad words and said that he would not develop the relative, you see how sometimes there are values. they manage in the composition of the number , sometimes the interests, after all, saudi arabia remains important for american interests in the region, in particular in those attempts that washington is pushing now to limit the share of russian oil to the world markets and limiting the price of russian oil, or is there such a complex scenario, such a model they try not to make it work, for this, the

old is always important, and that is limiting the price of the russian energy carrier should become almost the main fist in the blow of the seventh package of sanctions against the russian federation, which is already being discussed and discussed mr. volodymyr thank you for the analysis volodymyr dubovyk director of the center for international studies associate professor of the department of international relations of the odessa national university named after mechnikov was in touch with us a yevhen dubogryz is with us, an associate expert of cases.ua, as the deputy director of the department of financial stability of the nbu, we welcome you, mr. yevhen sla, to glory to the heroes of ukraine. i congratulate you. we are slowly moving to the start of the consultation on the seventh package of sanctions. what it may include so far is that we know and understand that it is an attempt to limit the price, some unconscious limit of the cost of russian energy carriers. this fits well into the

context of joseph biden's visit to the middle east and specifically to saudi arabia, which can also offer the european union . manual mode and through some mechanisms we control the price of oil, for example, so that no, i don't know, no, don't ask for help from opec or opec, plus i don't think it will work like that, to be honest, it's the easiest way to do something valuable oil is within opec to agree on an increase in production that simply increase the supply by the way of better quality oil than russian and thus somehow affect the price of other mechanisms, manual restrictions will work at first very limited, they will always work somehow

tricks, frauds, some attempts to circumvent this and the second point, look at us ukraine and, in principle, europe and the usa, also our western partners, we do not need price restrictions, we need as little as possible of this oil export from russia, because the price is a secondary issue in russia, imports have fallen sharply russia 's exports are also falling, but to such an extent, that's why if it simply exports russian oil even at any price , it increases its budget revenues, it increases and improves its financial condition, so if it comes to sanctions, they rather have to concentrate on the decrease in the reduction of exports , including due to the expansion of oil production and supplies to the rest of ukraine, eh, nevertheless, we see that the production of oil and gas is tightening a little, as far as i can see in the russian

federation, nevertheless, they earn the same a lot in connection with the fact that energy prices are really sky-high. but at the same time, there are prospects for some alternatives. yes , for the european union, in which it is very scary to actually stay in this winter without energy carriers, we see that germany, for example , is already resorting to some special mechanisms to bypass sanctions together with canada so that the turbines can be repaired within two years, but the russian federation does not stop, even though this argument has been knocked out of its arsenal , allegedly on a ten-day period brings out the nord stream one for repair gas now the european union is actually not going will it become a subject of bargaining for the launch of the nord stream-2 in your opinion i think it will because the oil is not the

gas is critical for europe now. of course, america has greatly increased the supply of gas to europe, but at the moment it seems that without russian gas in europe, it will be necessary to restrict something very much, including somehow negotiating with the ordinary population with ordinary europeans who simply do not understand the fact that it is a war and it is necessary somehow in one 's own interests to give in or really allow russia to continue pumping gas, in fact, this is the key challenge for us, and for the recitation for the negotiators, it is precisely the restriction of gas, because with oil with oil in europe and with europe as such, the consensus is that these supplies will decrease and in the future to be generally an oil barge, but with gas with gas it is very difficult and here it is necessary to somehow reach the hearts even more than to urban europeans

and consumers so that they understand that by temporarily giving up russian gas, they actually do not lose, but gain something, i gain. well, they act in accordance with the values ​​that, well, which countries in europe declare, and for this it is worth a little patience mr. yevgeny, well, the situation with the turbine was yesterday, well, we already had it today. and in canada, as i understand it, it was yesterday . allies, i understand the germans that way, and against putin and his cronies, that is why we made this difficult decision to help our allies, said trudeau , in europe, not only governments, but also the population, consistently and generously support ukraine, generously with support, we provided economic aid worth billions of dollars, a significant arsenal and we are not the only ones in this. european

countries, especially germany, significantly increased their efforts to support ukraine, the prime minister said that it was a very difficult decision, but they made it. i just think that the german president is a trick i have a video of the prime minister insulting the chancellor, well, you can simply show these videos from vinnytsia and show the mothers of those three children who lost their babies today and those twenty people who lost their relatives to chat and those 90, 50 of whom are in a serious condition in the hospital, should go to this vinnytsia, well, what should be done in order for the people to understand that, well, you will arm yourself with these calibers built with your money, which then kill our people and our children. but only well, i just do n’t understand this, no, well, it doesn’t fit in my head. do you understand this time, i talk to people from germany , and the average population there really doesn’t understand it, it doesn’t understand all these horrors of war, for

them it’s all very far and only as we can to get to it is to show these individual stories and to show the people of the tortured russians, to show how to kill them, it really comes to them, but it takes time, well, i would very much like the germans to say the laws and say that everything, but sometimes this is a precedent if it is possible to bypass sanctions and supply the germans the russians prefer the turbine, why why can’t it masterchef for the transit of infectious goods kaliningrad well, for example, chips for rockets of the same caliber, if it’s just a need , well, there is a need in russia for these chips, you know, if i could answer such questions because they would be put there in the government of canada or in the government of germany. i would like to say something else that canada is really canada, our best friend. they are the first to

recognize this aggression as genocide. in canada, they constantly provide us with financial assistance, so this is one solution . well, it doesn’t distort our attitude towards canadians. it’s really our friends and we don’t know all the possible schedules there. mr. on three, but the canadians have done the most of all the partners for us for two years. they can still repair the turbines necessary for the operation of the northern stream . does not apply to the goods and technology of the armies and the dual purpose of

the fall. a gift you can see that they have their own certain systems . as they say, checks and balances, but this looks like a gift. it looks like a concession by putin so that, god forbid, he attacks lithuania or throws something at the countries of the european union yes, it is absolutely unpleasant for us, but this is the reality. i hope that some other actions will be taken, especially these things that are discussed in this package of sanctions that we know are restrictions on the sale of banking and military technologies. in the form of personal sanctions they are often, in the end, i hope that after this package of sanctions, lithuania can once again unilaterally block this transit. yes, i think that is how lithuania should

say it. in europe, we are in discussions with everyone, but we do not see an alternative, and the alternatives to this decision are not to allow goods under sanctions, and today, please, the ministry of foreign affairs of lithuania supported the updated rules of the european commission regarding the kaliningrad transit and undertakes to prevent the violation of the eu sanctions eh doesn't quite understand this message, but this is the ministry's statement eh, what is important after detecting cases of abuse of transit opportunities or taking into account the interests of national security, lithuania reserves the right to unilaterally prevent in this way, the ministry of foreign affairs notes emphasizes that the previous eu rules, which provided for a complete ban on the transit of sanctioned goods through the kaliningrad region, were the most acceptable, but lithuania supports the new interpretation

published by the european commission well, that's how it is well, that's how they gave the rear everything is called it's just that in the people, mr. wine, let's have a small europe europe is big they also have to live in a big family well, what to do i would settle several officials for example, in the same vinnytsia or even better in kharkiv so that they live just a week in the city of kharkiv, ukrainian mr. evgeny, let's talk about the currency, whether it's pleasant or unpleasant, unexpectedly for the first time in 20 years, uh, the euro and the dollar have become equal in our country, and we, i don't remember which of the experts, are us in he said on the air that this is also a consequence of the fact that business is being reoriented from europe. well, for example, we have the united states, because anyway, the war in ukraine is a war in europe, it is instability, it is chaos, and it is the expectation of financial, including instability that capitals are fleeing from the european continent, is this the main reason

or not, and on the other hand, the weak domestic currency , i.e., the weak euro, is, on the contrary, a chance for european manufacturers, i.e., their products on foreign markets now become, including on the american more competitive, i.e. cheaper , i.e. there are pluses, am i right or not ? yehor, you have said everything. europe, a war in europe. a war in europe is starting. ukraine is already perceived as europe, therefore this war is ours with russia, it is perceived as a crisis for europe. a person is sitting in an investment fund in an american one. he sees the word war in europe. europe is trying to take as much money as possible and transfer it to safer havens, first of all, in the usa, why in the usa, because they raised their key rate

, they indicated that they would continue to do this, inflation there is very high for them, we are such infections, they paraded it, that is not why the money is running in the usa, money is running in the usa, the demand for the dollar is increasing, therefore , the demand for the euro and the euro is decreasing, the euro is cheaper. this is an absolutely economic process, there are no , you know, cave stones, and this is, again, a kind of challenge for europe that the war strikes in including on them because, on the one hand, european goods for export are indeed cheaper, but the weak euro is a problem for those investors who invest in something for a long time and have seen the dynamics of the exchange rates in a different way. they are now losing on this and that is also why for her, it is a bell that in ukraine we need to help, because otherwise the euro is cheaper, they are medals, sasha, i also wanted to ask you about the exchange rate of the ukrainian hryvnia, how was the official of the nbu in the past,

what is your forecast, because in the equation, so unexpectedly, it already crossed the mark of 37 and went up to 37 .5 per for dollar i read the latest comments from our nbu yesterday that this is a temporary phenomenon, but something tells me well, we do not have anything more permanent than temporary , especially the temporary growth of the dollar. your forecast, at least until the end of the summer, about what well, what do the world trends indicate, the financial intra-ukrainian dance, and what should we expect ? you know the first rule of the national bank is not to forecast the exchange rate, it has been postponed in my head, but i will try, uh, i think that now everything depends on the volume of international financial assistance , but now for july it is significant in our country compared to others, it is somewhere around 4.5 billion. if it is the same or more in august, then i do not think that the dollar will be at

the current level. i think that it will even get a little cheaper by the end of the year, it's a different story, we have a war, we suddenly run out of money, we have everything, we have less of it, and the hryvnia is fundamental, macroeconomists say, it is weak in relation to the dollar, that's why this creeping devaluation is already such an established term. it is simply inevitable and the hryvnia will gradually become cheaper over time, and the task is for the national bank and the ministry of finance, and the economic bloc of the government in general, to make it happen gradually so that there are not these stings that attack the decision of the population in the first place, but this is the reality that during the war, the currency of the country that is at war, why do you like

it ? there is no import, look, they continue to sell their oil and gas, if there was a full embargo there, there would be full iron poverty, and they would not receive the dollars that flow to them, if they had problems there, no one would know, but now the story is that they are selling dollars go to them, but they can’t buy anything with them, or rather, they can, but something is very limited, guys . of course, they have more dollars, they have nowhere to go . the word is that there are trends, how they are doing their things with china, but simply in economic history more dollars, the ruble is getting stronger, it creates problems for them, that's why it's just another story - it's a story how sanctions work, it's a story about how the economy works, it's a story because the current level of sanctions, just like our level, is absolutely

not enough, we need more of it well said yevhen dugryz, associate expert case of ukraine as the deputy director of the department of financial stability of the nvo from the 15th to the 19th year well, let's talk about ukrainian grain for more than four months, the blockade of sea ports has been going on of ukraine by the black sea fleet of the russian federation and this is an almost complete stoppage of the export of ukrainian grain yesterday, through the mediation of turkey and the un, it was possible to preliminarily agree on the restoration of the export of grain from three ukrainian ports , we still do not have complete information about these agreements, but we will remind you what was discussed there and how the negotiations continued at the beginning of the week, turkey announced the quick start of the export of ukrainian grain through the black sea. this statement was made by the minister of defense of the country. negotiations that lasted more than a month and yielded results, we are close to a decision, my neighbors on the

black sea with ukraine and with russia, we have established very warm relations with mr. putin and mr. zelenskyi and conducted very thorough negotiations. kyiv demands firm guarantees that in case of demining the sea approaches to odesa the russian army will not take advantage of this, that is why the un was involved in the negotiations. turkey, in turn, will become a transitor who will transport ukrainian grain from odessa to neutral waters, but not for nothing such a service can cost up to 25% of the market value of grain, at least such figures were announced in the turkish media, however, kyiv has no choice , about 20 million tons of last year's harvest are still stored in warehouses, the harvest has already begun, there will be no place to place the new grain in the country. foreign exchange earnings are also needed to stabilize the exchange rate and in addition, ukrainian grain should alleviate the global food crisis , which is already raging in some countries, in particular, the sharp rise in food prices caused mass

protests in sri lanka, which led to a change of government and we see how the influence of this russian aggression manifests itself everywhere, it probably affected the situation in sri lanka, we are worried about the consequences throughout the world, only the beginning, because without our food, it will not be possible to stabilize the world market, save the countries of africa and asia from hunger. if there is a famine, then you will see it on the territory of the european union of new migrants millions of new migrants since the beginning of the invasion russia blocks ukrainian ports and makes it impossible to export grain from 25 million tons to date managed to export only five years ago, after the deblication of the snake, another route was opened, the danube-black sea channel. however, according to experts, the problem cannot be solved without unblocking the port of odesa. in the western press,

various options were discussed. in particular, the british fleet, but in the end this option was rejected, fearing a direct conflict between the alliance and russia. therefore, we continue the topic of our ukrainian grain and its export i hope we will hear now kateryna yareska of the journalistic project, not everyone is at the edge of the center. for the services of withdrawing our grain, who are neutral waters, well, yes, i would say to the fraternal marriage, i am asking for your reaction from the turkish media, so i think we should wait for official

announcements, but in general it is very difficult to comment on this situation because there is actually no official information, our government has given us practically nothing except that a coordination center will be created in istanbul, and it is even difficult to say how it will all end and what will come of it in any case, i would like to remind you that the delegations were made up of military personnel and representatives of the ministry of defense, that is, in view of all this, it was about safety at sea and some mutual own or tacit assurances of the one and the other that each of the parties will not do some actions that are not liked by everyone and the guarantors of the process that may already be taking place. at the same time, let's remind mrs. kateryna a little about what

actually happened in turkey before she brought representatives of the un and ukraine to the negotiating table with russia in istanbul and to turkey the actual ship with ukrainian grain had already arrived. maybe it was involved there together with the russian ones. you and i even talked about it on the air, and i still don’t understand how we as a country equate those stories because one of the vessels was released. we asked to check three more vessels. and what was the reaction, it is not clear to us, the russians who talked about and let's be here, i don't know how to investigate the origin of the grains, we will question each grain, it's not clear, i don't know why humor, but they used this in their demagoguery, so mrs. kateryna is in turkey and at least a few ships that have already been unloaded in its ports. well, that's how it is. well,

that's our reality. it's just like that, and what's more , a ukrainian looter, then i apologize to this country. marauder turkey yes yes and how is it different from russia? well, one went to war and the other is just a scumbag who, i'm sorry, came to pull out washing machines from a looted house from a broken house. i'll just tell this story. with the flag it entered the occupied berdyansk, in berdyansk it was loaded with grain in berdyansk, then it sailed to the turkish port of crucian carp, translated as black water, there it was detained, checked and released to god it went back to russia, i understand. is it possible through the strait to the mediterranean sea? i don’t know its further fate and what’s next, by

the way, what happened to it. because it’s been turned off for almost a week. well, it’s possible to determine where it is behind these the point knows, there were no reports that the ship can be unloaded in the same port, but there is no blame, i can say that just during, well, the day before these negotiations, er, in turkey , we have already observed a new case when two vessels er who came from kerch with corn, they turned off the ais on the turkish coast, went to the turkish port, unloaded there and came out with it turned off. well, we almost did not observe it, which means that the turkish authorities, together with these marauders,

allowed the ship to enter their ports with the lights turned off. and they covered up this krakovism and how then can we now trust the turks conditionally or accompany our co-ships that will bring in our grain well, if this scheme works, yes to neutral waters well, if the turks are engaged in this is such a cover-up of this looting or directly participate in it , it's about trust in the matter of trust so far there is no and uh, in general, these negotiations cause, well , certainly, well, such concern is very strong, because such a decision can be made, unblocked ports and the export of grain but in that case if our security is guaranteed, from these four parties

participating in the negotiations, no one can act as guarantors. well, of course, the aggressor can't. he can't because he doesn't have any forces. well, they can only . er, somehow they are not effective turkey will be affected, too. i doubt that they will open fire. that the russians will take advantage of this opening of the sides, so, uh, anyway. well, hm. in my opinion, it's too dangerous now. well, first of all , no regime will be announced there. you still or a truce to the sea in order to be able to take out these e-e ships, which in itself is dangerous and even if such a regime were announced, we know how it is pseudo-observed by the russian federation, we have had enough of donbas for eight years, but the first

test ship with ukrainian grain will come out of odessa sports on july 14, people's deputy anatoliy urbanskyi said about this literally 5 days ago on the air of a national telethon, and every day i meet with trading companies that are very much waiting for the opening of the great odessa, which will significantly improve the logistics chain for the export of our grain. well, today is the 14th mrs. kateryna, we don’t know, but a miracle has already happened, as far as i know, who is still ready for such a register, kateryna , in general, any alternative ways are being considered, how real are they and how effective are they according to the carrying capacity, it is difficult for me to say what is being considered, but what we are

observing is a great effort being made in order to, er, organize railway transportation, and is your part in the plot just a part of the grain exported quite significantly in this way and it is very good that with well, when the operation on the serpentine came, we were able to speed up all this through the river ports, they are not of the same capacity - this is all, of course, well, it cannot be compared with the capacities that are there in the black sea interests in yuzhny, but at least it is safe and i think that now the issue of security should be in the foreground .