internal electorates for people living in the baltic states show that the country is ready for this confrontation, and i think it will intensify over time, no matter who in germany, france or other countries tries to find these points of contact with russia or, you know, search for some peace, because in any case this war - a ukrainian -russian war or an attack by russia on ukraine, there is only one solution, there is no peaceful solution, there is a solution to defeat, and this defeat must be on the part of the russian federation, among other things, germany was mentioned, germany is needed pro-ukrainian refugees this year, the german government will allocate an additional almost two and a half billion euros for social benefits specifically for ukrainian refugees in their country, this was announced by the

german minister of labor, huberto z gal, whose name is the german labor office , last month reported on the increase in the number of unemployed in the country, as ukrainians registered in the e-e bureau currently, about 360,000 ukrainians are registered in the social security system of germany, of which 260,000 are looking for work the worker told him that almost 800,000 people from ukraine have already found refuge in germany, 30% of them are younger than 14 years, mr. volodymyr, a little bit about the economy, yesterday we talked about what europe is currently thinking about what to do with russia, the value of the european currency the euro is falling rapidly against the dollar and for the first time in 20 years it has equaled with it, that is, one dollar is worth 1 €, we talked yesterday with economists because of the fact that finances are fleeing from the

war in europe and we want the east of europe yes maybe even the far east of europe ukraine but nevertheless from the point of view of future and current investors there, when a person opens the internet and sees that there is a war in ukraine in europe, he definitely does not want to invest money in the countries of the european union, or he does it with a certain sense of humor, well, at least the countries that are closer to ukraine are there, we understand in europe what is going on, the whole history of prolonging the war and in europe is purely in the financial plan and in terms of lowering the investment attractiveness of energy resources, you mean they will continue to buy a little here for our refugees for the withdrawal well over 24 billion hryvnias is a lot. okay, a lot, but they continue to buy energy resources, things that, uh, don't look right, uh, on the surface, which actually are, if we take the question of why the euro depreciates, then it's for deterioration

. investors fled europe so directly . yes, but there is a worsening of business expectations and these deteriorations are connected with the loss of risks. take, for example, the same situation with transit through lithuania . russia will break through the waldsky corridor, who dispersed this topic, here is the question, but when did the european union make a decision a-ah a-ah regarding the fact that after all, transit will be eh wants to be limited yes, according to sanctioned goods eh, the european union thereby removed one of the factors that negatively affects economic, business climate in europe and negatively affects the european

economy, i.e. this situation with the lithuanian transit to kaliningrad, this issue definitely looked like lithuania went a little too far, exaggerated its powers, so to speak, because the status of kaliningrad is regulated agreement between by the european union and russia from 2022. then lithuania concluded an agreement with russia in 2003. if i remember correctly, here too it is not about transit from any country to russia, but interregional , that is, internal domestic transportation for russia between kaliningrad and another territory of the european union made a wise decision and lithuania was not pressed. lithuania simply showed foresight when it was banned from all transit. she showed readiness to act, too, lord. this is right, and that's why the european union

removed one of the factors. which have a negative impact on business expectations, it is not so much a war on the territory of ukraine as such that gas is becoming more expensive and this has a negative effect on industry, on the entire business, both in germany and in europe, this means that profits are profits in the long run, the profits of the german european economy will move down, which means that the european union will have less money for everything, part of which is aid to ukraine, that's why this drastic, drastic, kind of action , for some reason, will not include the gas embargo in the seventh package. to some countries simply refuse, otherwise we will kill the economy of these countries and we will have no money. and if we talk about aid, you mentioned two of these two

two, it seems and 60 billion euros in addition, so what is 2.60 of those billion euros additional for maintenance of ukrainian refugees e.e. in germany, we have a monthly budget deficit of 4-5 billion . do you understand this, it is actually a huge amount, this is an additional 2.6 billion euros per year, only we are given assistance with it through various mechanisms of the banks, the structures of the european union and the like other. where does everything come from? it comes from the economy, which has not started to stagnate. and in order for the economy of the european union not to start, we have to resort to such unpopular external things as the return of canadian turbines - turbines from canada, you understand here . look, the government in italy has fallen, the government has fallen , johnson has fallen now and the government will fall to them all the parties

, russia is a perpendist of all these and will crawl on its knees in the fall, and then this will calm the russians down, wait a little, yes, what is he saying volodymyr, he says well that there is an agreement between the state of lithuania and russia on transit through the territory of kaligrad. but the situation in russia is good , they have agreements that are beneficial. they must be fulfilled by all parties, and the agreement, for example, on good neighborliness with ukraine, in which there is definitely no position that it is possible to enter the troops and bomb the cities, russia does not fulfill it here, we play here, we do not play here, they wrapped the fish, do you remember the old soviet joke, that is, the agreements that they need must be fulfilled in full, and those which they do not need can be violated by brutally killing people and simply destroying whole cities and regions well, let's start with the fact that the president of

italy did not accept the resignation of the dredge and it will now be difficult for the russians to explain, well, this, this , disperse the information related to the economy itself you know that the most profitable option for europe today is to end the war in ukraine , to end it. well, for example, if ukraine surrenders, and then restores all previous economic ties, launch nord stream-2 there, and so on. and yes more and if today in europe we reasoned only with economic motives yes well, what is right for the economy then we obviously the whole story would be different well europe is about values ​​and no matter how we criticize europe there europe is about values ​​and they are ready to pay for what they declare as their values, and you very rightly ask the question

that when we talk about contracts, i would not like to mention them now, and i am sure that today the european commission, which makes some decisions , including lithuania, is not governed so much by treaties signed with the russian federation, by some circumstances that are operating today, that are out of date or unprofitable, yes, europe is afraid of war spilling over into its territory, you and i all understand the global consequences if a country of the european union enters the war or a country that is a member of the north atlantic alliance, therefore indeed, the russians would like to, and they very actively use some legal aspects of relations, e.g. talking about what are treaties , forgetting about other treaties, but nevertheless for putin has to put all these issues on paper so that there is

some logic, legal logic to his actions. well, if europe, for example, falls into this canvas, where there are treaties that must be fulfilled even with the aggressor country, well, obviously everything will lead to a serious general european war. i also i would rather say that for europe today it is obviously important to take more drastic steps that will really hit the economy but will not prolong this problem to such an extent that the disease will turn into a chronic one because there is still this hot aspect of this disease the war actually requires making cardinal decisions for which you will have to pay or excuse me to pay in time and for a long time yury podorozhny political technologist volodymyr volya political scientist-internationalist

were guests thank you for the meaningful discussion eh let's move on elizaveta esko people's deputy of ukraine with us and elizaveta welcome you good day and vyacheslav liharchev, an expert at the center for civil liberties, will join in, ms. lisa, well, we have a discussion that has heated up, volodymyr volya says that you can't just take it and stop everything to buy energy resources in russia because then the economies of the european countries that help us will collapse, and here is germany, how much is the last two and a half billion ? the reasons are money for which they make rockets and this is a kind of closed circle. how do you see this situation and how do we have? well, of course, we are grateful to germany for helping our refugees and the rest of the countries. but russia remains in a partner of many countries of many countries, in particular economic, i agree with you and in meetings and in

all conversations that i have with foreigners , i always say that humanitarian aid is very important when you provide this aid, aid to ukrainian refugees is also very important, but it does not end the war and we are very grateful for this help, but the main thing is that we really make sure that we have military aid, this is the first and second thing, we did everything to stop the financing of terrorism, which russia uses against of ukraine, and this financing is due to the fact that many countries continue economic ties either not in full or even almost in full , and some are even taking advantage of the situation now to try to restore or launch new economic and trade ties with russia, in particular

georgia for example, this is how it is done and it is very, very painful, but you know here too. i still see that if you talk about european politicians, they are still more scared, they understand that more business is not usual in principle you can even if you really wanted to, and that's why there was a panic, and many europeans don't know how to work so fast, er, force majeure, serious circumstances, where to look for alternatives, where to buy gas, er, energy resources, it's done in one day, but we know what, uh, and also germany and austria too, which are very strongly connected economically with russia. they are looking for ways out. france is the same, that's why i'm still optimistic. although, of course, it's such bitter optimism because when you look at the calendar and see which one today

number, and i usually don't know what number it is, what day it is, and the war, because it's very difficult to count, it's already six months and it's the 142nd day. today, war is written in our country, because sometimes the day is similar to the day. well , there are stories like yesterday in vinnytsia, and so on. today in vinnytsia today is the day of mourning not everyone has been identified yet not everyone has been found the number can obviously still increase now 23 yes victims they are speeding up the intentions of european countries to look for alternative sources of supply e energy resources or not they are speeding up and not only on this issue er, serious work is underway to study the crimes of russia against ukraine er, so that in the future there will be a tribunal and all those criminal forces will be punished, what murderers are now killing the ukrainian people, those russians who have no

humanistic values ​​at all, but unfortunately it takes time, it cannot be done in a few days and even in a year, these are very big processes, but i know that the human rights defender in the entire branch works a lot, foreign experts work a lot, they record things like how people were killed, what atrocities took place, special experts and they are working now in ukraine, a lot of foreigners are working because they have never seen anything like this in their life, they want this to never happen again , and unfortunately on our territory in our state, they receive evidence of serious atrocities, but i hope that in the future it will simply be impossible to such values ​​join us let's i invite we say hello expert of the center of civil liberties vyacheslav lykhachev we congratulate you

good day good day good day well, we talked about what in europe, well, we are scared of what it is happening in ukraine because of the war, because of the tension, because of the fall of the economy and the ukrainian one, because of the fall of the european currency. but are they scared in russia itself? because it seems to me that everything there is so stable and even optimistic that the war will not end soon, if we count on the reaction of purely russian society, there is the support of the authorities, well at least because of what you can see on tv and according to polls that are still taking place there , putin's rating is incredible, the ruble has strengthened, on the contrary, the ruble was not worth that much there the dollar has never had enough rubles, how much is it worth now , and in principle, society, when it sees russian eyes , all the strikes in vinnytsia, mykolaiv, kharkiv, it reacts on the contrary there in social networks, let's hit even harder and it was necessary to do so a long time ago, why didn't we beat these ukrainians earlier

rockets. you don't have the sense that the ukrainian war is perceived differently on different sides of the european continent, please. well, the population of russia is definitely perceived differently than the population of europe. not to mention the ukrainians, too. well, yes. er, the ruble exchange rate can now be drawn at any rate because foreign trade is collapsing and the ruble has simply ceased to be a convertible currency and should not be guided by that, definitely very difficult processes for the russian economy are taking place, but they are happening slowly enough to feel it already e-e strong a-a russians in order for it to affect their consciousness and their behavior from the point of view of the consciousness and behavior of russians, it’s okay for them and i don’t know how much

you can trust sociological polls that in today the speech is being held in russia, but it is definitely expected that the russian society will realize something there and somehow, um, try to influence the leadership of the country in order to stop the war , but the only small hope can be for the big economic and political elites who know better on the situation and for which the removal of putin from power and the winding down of the war may be a way out of the political economic situation, but in fact the hope for this is now very illusory. i do not believe in any advantage there in the palace or anything like that, that is, now there is absolutely no hope that russia will change its behavior, the only hope is that our western partners, including european ones, will not only strengthen the pressure on russia and strengthen

aid to ukraine, but ms. lisa, what a prospect , after all, let's return to criminal responsibility what is the perspective here in time, but we are talking about the fact that it all takes a lot of time to collect evidence, but ukraine initiated the creation of a special tribunal regarding the leadership of the russian federation when it will become operational and what are the prospects well, as i already mentioned, a lot of work is already underway, many experts are involved, how exactly will the tribunal be organized and how long will it take, uh, we'll see. i think that right now, no one can definitely answer the question. is there more, when really these criminals will be punished if we take historical examples , then we know that according to the lviv command with the nazis, it happened for years, even decades, but in ukraine, the most important thing for us is not only

this punishment, the most important thing for us, of course, is war stopped so that russia is completely isolated, this will already be a serious punishment, and i, by the way, believe that ukraine needs more help, first of all, pressure on russia simply does not work, only the economic pressure of isolation works. russia is not forming now with any international pressure . yes, we recognized russia as an aggressor state, as many resolutions that have been for many years say that russia is committing aggression, but russia still needs other methods here, and without internal events, russia will unfortunately be it's difficult, but where do they come from, where do these events come from, if the level of support for the president of russia, who unleashed the war, probably

ukraine only grew after the war began, and people simply draw the letters z on their heads, almost on their foreheads, you understand with these letters z, then they go where do they come from in the eye, well, the sprouts of some kind of change of consciousness can arise in general, well, you know, the soviet union also collapsed once and no one believed. although almost all of them were soviet people, there was a small part of people who were dissidents who fought. i believe that in russia, there are these people, they just don't have the opportunity to develop. i also know for sure that there are various ethnic groups, communities, which for a very long time believe that they do not have autonomy, that they should have more rights, i am convinced that there are such people and they support ukraine, we know that even those chechens who left

kadyrov's chechen republic and are outside the borders, many of them dream of returning to democratic chechnya, where there will be a completely different, different, different life, and they sincerely want to be in their homeland, that's why everything after all, something must be done here i will ask the question only if and when this curtain will fall , because really the media load in russia, how they are brainwashed, it is very scary that even small children, that is, this is the new generation, they sincerely believe that there is an operation to kill nazis in ukraine. -e nationalists who, er, just tell some terrible things about us, but someday this will end economically. i am so sure that the information is fresh, the government reads the government, and ichkeria calls on the democratic world to adopt acts on the non-recognition of the occupation of their territory by russia, only complete

the punishment of russian war criminals can save europe and the whole world from further crimes of putin's authoritarian regime. this is reported by the presidium of the government in exile of the chechen republic of ichkeria, where they supported ukraine in the fight against russia and also condemned the occupation of the territory of georgia, moldova and ukraine, we all condemn the collaborationism of today's occupation regime in chechnya, which takes a direct part in the aggressive policy of russia around the world, this regime, at the behest of putin, takes part in committing crimes against the chechen people many of them takes place on the territory of western countries , the application says it is fine, but it is such a very specific position and something. what else can it do? well, it is not just for them. it tells them that there is some kind of special operation here. well, the whole world sees it, and they comment, comment , applaud and support it. zelenskyi told gaz that every russian terrorist will answer for evil

against ukrainians. yesterday, because he is from vinnytsia, he played in the theater if he didn't go out on the street and normally tolerated for 141 days what russia is doing in ukraine in his vinnytsia. when it happened yesterday, he decided to leave moscow now. who are these terrorists - every russian is this only those who give orders on ships to launch missiles is it only putin, how can this be explained at all, as well as the prospects of responsibility in international tribunes well, if we are talking about an international legal authority, then we are talking about the legal category of war criminals a-and which do not intersect with what is defined as terrorism at the national level in the legislation, in international legislation in international humanitarian law, there are defined

crimes, vile crimes, crimes against humanity crimes and genocide, in my opinion, ukraine should prove in international institutions what russia intended it was i who tried to commit the crime and genocide on the territory of ukraine, but hm it is about the careful collection of evidence to establish individual responsibility for the perpetration directly crimes and for issuing criminal orders, and these international institutions that now exist, first of all, the people's criminal court was created precisely in order to prove the individual responsibility of specific criminals and the leadership that issued criminal orders, but there are certain problems first of all , it concerns evidence of the direct

involvement of the highest leadership of the country, which orders are criminal, which are not, and here it is worth understanding that the very fact of war, the very fact of military actions, is not from the point of view of international humanitarian criminal rights, even the crime of aggression. it is part of the jurisdiction that is currently being investigated by the investigators of the international criminal court on the territory of ukraine. they are investigating crimes against humanity and war crimes and to prove that it was the president of the country or the minister of defense who gave the criminal orders . it is very difficult, as practice shows, it is very difficult. bring to justice the highest decision-maker in lanka, well, recently there was news that the international criminal court finally issued three

arrest warrants for war crimes committed by russia in georgia in 2008 and firstly it was 14 years ago in the second it is about three people and this is as we know not the president of russia nor the minister of defense these are some educational e-e military civil officials e i.e. there are certain remarks and certain reservations regarding the work of the international criminal court and the fact that now the investigators of the international criminal court are working in ukraine. this is a consequence not only of full-scale russian aggression, but it is also a consequence of the enormous work that was carried out 8 years ago, since in the spring of 2014, the international criminal court began to consider ukraine's complaint ukraine recognized it as a jurisdiction on its own territory, despite the fact that ukraine did not

buy, ratified a-a of the rome statute, which is the basis for the work of the international criminal court, and for 8-8 years, the international criminal court collected evidence that war crimes and crimes against humanity during the russian aggression had a systematic and sufficiently large-scale nature to start an official case at all, and only in the spring of this year, when the scale and systematic nature of the war crime on the part of of the russian federation, because they may have officially opened this case. that is, it is a very long process, and i understand the meaning of what ukraine represented. well, yesterday and today it continues today, this creation of a special tribunal. and this is not something to replace the international criminal court, it is not there is an alleged refusal to cooperate with the international criminal court in favor of some other new

institution. and this is an attempt to create working mechanisms in order to coordinate the work of various international bodies because the same is true of the un collects evidence of war crimes and other structures a-a to coordinate this work, speed it up and ensure the process of bringing to justice the highest echelons of the leadership of the russian federation. well, we were all heard by one more television channel, people's deputy vadym stolar's television channel suspends until the end of the war life channel he had one from the media holding people's deputy vadim stolar suspends broadcasting we inform you that on july 15, the life channel will suspend broadcasting until the end of hostilities and the abolition of martial law in ukraine. in this regard, the specified channel was turned off from

viasat packages. yes, and here we have now the threat of monopolization of the media market and the threat of freedom of speech that we will have just one single marathon on all television channels . human rights are limited, men can't cross the border, well, it's normal during martial law that's why, uh, we may not like it, but during war, media people really work a little differently. as you can see, the only information smartphone is freedom to make your own programs but still it is within the framework of a single definite grid and what will happen next i really want there to be no war and no martial law and that our freedom of speech flourishes from all