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the longest city in europe its man-made landscapes attract guests and industrial tourism is actively developing in the city kryvyi rih lands were part of the zaporizhian army the central governing body of kish zaporizhia sich was located in the city during archaeological excavations in ukrainian archaeologist oleksandr pol discovered the remains of smelting furnaces in baltsi daily, which indicate that the scythians were engaged in metallurgy here in during the nazi occupation, the head of the city administration, serhiy sherstyuk, led the popular resistance and introduced the official use of the ukrainian language and the national anthem. ukraine and glory and will are not dead yet, because even under enemy fire, the people of kryvyi rih work fearlessly, help and defend independence, because in addition to an iron heart, they also have the steel cossack

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i hear very well. good day. in fact, it is possible that there is some fresh information about the consequences of the rocket attack on vinnytsia, and we also know that the two largest universities in mykolaiv were shelled this morning, which are the latest possible information on this emergency situation, how are the rescuers coping, especially in vinnytsia, of course we know that the identification of all the dead is ongoing there, that many people have not yet found their loved ones, they cannot identify them while the search continues, so we ask mr. vadym and several of course, about mykolaiv as well. if we talk about vinnytsia, more than 40 people like that, well, following them , they said they can't find them, and there is a more likely one, they can be under the heading of the type, now, as a matter of

fact, the rubble is being sorted out, now the work there is continuing, in principle, the emergency department is working to help the local residents. it helps the local authorities. therefore, now the topic of conversation is to call . if we are talking about mykolaiv, today there are two of the largest nodes in the city, including the coal mining plant, the construction institute. were fired upon by the russians with some kind of logic, again, which we do not see in vinnytsia, the destruction of any infrastructure continues, which , in principle, has nothing to do with infrastructure, but the russians have obviously adopted tactics, or maybe even a strategy, about destroying everything is it possible, vadim, it’s such a human question that i have in my head, to be honest, we see so much now, yesterday

mostly everyone looked with horror at these photos that the state emergency service published on facebook and many media uh, they spread these photos and in general, from uh, all the completeness of the information that we receive from vinnytsia well, it’s just that the heart can’t stand it, the nervous system can’t stand it, and who and how rehabilitates the very employees of the state emergency service, who uh, never in all 30 years of independence have not come across such intensity of such specific work, because it is scary to disassemble the rubble when when the limbs of dead people are lying around, how does it happen, how does the work of psychologists with the police officers themselves , well, in the structure of the ministry of internal affairs, there is a goal of the structure whole suspicions units of psychological services and that 's why uh they work with these people that is, well of course

we have to do here that in fact they have been working since the first day of the uh war and uh there is one front and there is in principle uh well basically how for a long time, they were called the peace special forces. that is, they are people who, er, must er, be ready for many challenges, especially this is big when you know the slogans of the loan about which or which we are sorting out for attention from er , including and under shelling well, therefore, in this case, a big thank you to all those people who sms will work, and in fact, a big thank you to all those who help the emergency services, we are joining and i think it is very important now to emphasize that these are our real heroes who are currently working on the front lines, but in our cities, rescuing civilians and helping people find their dead loved ones in

vinnytsia, there was also information that they were checking or information that the gunners in the sub-city of vinnytsia could control or direct their missile strike, why are there such suspicions and how are things progressing here? well, it's always checked in those cases, i.e. now, the onslaught was literally there, a couple made a statement earlier that they had found the incendiaries from mykolaiv, therefore, in this case, it is always necessary to check all versions at such moments, and of course it is not excluded that there could be some a gift that really corrected it fire and er in this case er was pointing to the center of the city er russian years let's talk a little about the news from the temporarily occupied territories puppet government appointed by the occupiers in zaporizhzhia region wants to bring the so-called a referendum on joining the russian

federation at the beginning of autumn, the collaborator, the so -called head of the temporary administration of the region yevhen balytskyi, reported it. he was quoted by the russian media and, according to posipaka, the occupiers are working out these voting mechanisms. well, it is interesting , after all, we talk about it in each of our in addition, what about the plans of the occupiers in the temporarily occupied territories, in particular in the south, because, in parallel, we actually understand that they should prepare for a counteroffensive by the armed forces of ukraine what are there, it will begin in full, that is, how is it, how does it fit these plans with the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine? no , they have to talk all the time about the fact that they came here forever, that they came here to build a year in russia in order to keep people, insure people to keep not in a certain generation , therefore, it is just an element of the informational

part of this special operation and an element of a psychological attack, simply unconditionally. this is what they are talking about in the occupied territory, but also in the unoccupied territory, regarding the beginning of september, which i separately gave to any at the price of annexing this territory on september 11, on the day of a single vote in a number of regions of the russian federation, that is why they will adjust everything to september 11, no serious lists, no serious ones, not even a quasi-referendum in order for something to happen in the so-called general's nerve here, even theoretically, it cannot be them there is no need for this, they just make a picture of several sections of the precinct and they will talk about the fact that everything 100% supports the entry into russia, everyone is happy today, that is, they should to understand that this is an information war, they are really

going to, yes, they have other options at all. at the moment, our answer is only considered a military answer to other answers. you can believe it, the russian edition of medusa reported that it received the results of a closed survey in this vsd conducted at the end of june by order of the administration of the president of the aggressor country, these data were not made public, they emphasized, but here are medusa for example, she received them at her disposal and they say that 30% of respondents believe that the war should be stopped as soon as possible, 57% of respondents believe that the war should be continued, etc. 13 what is difficult to answer, and well, there are also interesting factors that influence the opinion of russians, in particular, the older russians are are they all the more actively supporting the war

against ukraine? well, of course, among active internet users , more respondents are in favor of the end of hostilities. 47% of russians are. of course, for the extension, almost 70%. well, it is also interesting from this sample that in the big cities of moscow and st. petersburg there is also a higher percentage of those who want the cessation of hostilities, about 40% of respondents , at the same time, 48 are in favor of continuation. what can we say about this sociology in general, what it affects and how much it can be trusted and what does this sociology tell us about the hostile russian society? well, it tells us that society is changing and that the information war that ukraine is waging is becoming a species, that is, if these if the figures are correct, then it should be understood that the number of those who, uh, want to bring an end to the war,

has grown by 8% over the last 1.5-2 months. in fact, for russia, this is a lot of those 13 who don't know, uh, don't have to answer uh, well, it is necessary to clearly understand that at least half of them are simply afraid to say that we are proposed, that is, the real figure of the drinking war is 35-37% , er, in principle , this is already becoming a rather serious trend , especially if you take into account the fact that more than half of er young people are up to er four years old and almost half under the age of 35 want them to end the war as soon as possible, therefore, from this point of view, the trends for putin are actually negative. i think that everything will move the way it is moving, in a couple of months , this situation will actually be 40x60.

then it will be huge for putin. that is why he is faking the processes of annexation of the territory in order to try to repeat the so-called crimean consensus to try, uh, to regain uh, his ratings and restore the level of trust in well, but in fact, these numbers are enough optimistic for us, well, and also from the latest news from russia that in moscow they started financing from the city budget their own battalion of mercenaries for the war against ukraine, and this formation is called by the recruiters the sobyanin regiment. the russian medusa also wrote about this on behalf of the mayor although serhiy sebanin previously tried to distance himself from the war, we see that now they are gathering such people who could fight against ukraine, such willing ones, however, the publication emphasizes that,

despite the moscow affiliation, the suspect affiliation they are trying to place the unit there primarily for muscovites and men from other regions of pre-retirement age up to 60 years and so on, what is this news and why is this recruitment of volunteers for the war in ukraine going on in moscow, this is something but uh, in principle but what do you think what is the purpose of the enemy, we task all regions er to take part in the form of such battalions and by the middle of august they want to have additional approximately 25,000 er military who er essentially during august must undergo a month of training and then fragrant meat the goal in september is to the ukrainian front, therefore, in this matter, we must understand that you are really

going to collect 25,000 from this, they do not want to announce direct mobilization, but this is such a step specifically for the purpose of not announcing three days ago, from information from the border service that a person was detained on the belarusian border, who called himself a belarusian border guard and who said that he was actually crossing over to the ukrainian side in order to take part in the war against russia because it is possible to know more about this person, what is the further fate of this russian eh, here is not ready to comment. well, finally, we talked about how the actual eh, how the situation in

vinnytsia actually looks. to develop protection mechanisms, taking into account that judging by the last communique of the american embassy in kyiv, which everyone is currently discussing, the situation with the security of civilians in the country suggests that the embassy advises its citizens of the united states of america to evacuate from ukraine. someone says that this is a standard message that spreads there on average once a month, and someone says that this is a new reality after kremenchuk and vinnytsia, and how do you think we should act in connection with this new is it realistic to build an effective anti-aircraft defense system, but we understand that it will not happen quickly, and what are the possible methods of combating it? of eu protection, it is planned to join this

system, the world's largest system of knowledge of international coordinated operational assistance in emergency situations, what will this mechanism give us, maybe in a few words, we will also explain, we must understand that if there is an air alarm, we must go to shelter here, there are no there are no other stories, there are no other things. that is, we just have to remember this and not neglect the air alarms in parallel. but we need to build our right, unfortunately, unfortunately, so far we have not been able to attract a sufficient number of e-e weapons in order for us to have e reliable real protection. that is, this is one of the key tasks, but the problem we have been talking about for the last four months will be denysenko, adviser to the minister of internal affairs of ukraine, the executive director of the ukrainian institute of the future was in touch with us via skype. and the next one our interlocutor is the interlocutor this is oksana gorbanska, spokeswoman for the head office of the state emergency service of ukraine in the vinnytsia

region p oksano good day to you oksano, how are the works to eliminate the consequences of the rocket attack on vinnytsia going on? can we say that we have established the exact number of victims a-a talk about the exact number of victims e-e i think that it is not currently in the czechs because at the moment e-e the search continues for 11 more e-e people rescuers continue to carry out emergency rescue work e- the construction of the concert hall is being analyzed, etymological calculations are being carried out, special search dogs are engaged, now we will restore contact with oksana, the urban spokeswoman of the state emergency service of ukraine in the vinnytsia region .

22 people actually died in the city center, as of now, the regional military administration of the vinnytsia city council gives this information, three of them are children , and 73 people have been missing in hospitals for 18 years. for you, this is just a nightmare and a terrible terrorist attack, and according to the formulation of the supreme commander-in-chief of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi who in his evening video message said that prison is not enough for criminals, this is undoubtedly one of the most terrible terrorist attacks in the history of europe in recent years. yes, it is really a terrible story today the mother of this four-year-old girl died and remains in the matrix hospital there. you know it is constantly being written last night. they wrote about the fact that she died, but today. as far as i understand, there is still information that she is the mother

of this four-year-old girl lisa and that she is in the intensive care unit. in serious condition, however, that the doctors are still fighting for her life and that she survived, well, in that case, i apologize if they do not want to spread or that actually some untrue information, some media simply now there is information about the fact that doctors continue to fight for the victim, information carefully, what do we think about this human life, er, we also build our own attitude to this, how to live in such conditions as er, how to react to this i like it very much probably this after all, the correct opinion is what the officer of the 95th brigade, yuriy kovchenko, said. you probably know what he is. and he very well said that, in fact, we need to treat this as

calmly as possible, as calmly as possible. i understand that for sure, you can't be calm about that, those who lost their loved ones, for example, yesterday, today they lose, tomorrow they will lose. but if possible, why is it important to be calm, because this is exactly what the terrorist always tries to achieve, the terrorist always wants to terrify in this sensteror and so weaken because of panic because of terror weaken the will , the will to fight, the will to win and this is something that we will definitely not give to our enemy - this is something that he will not be able to achieve and conditionally speaking, what can be transferred personally to putin and his voters to the people who support him in russia and to the russians, it means that you will not be able to do anything with ukraine because ukraine will not obey, even if you

bombard us with nuclear bombs, ukraine will still not surrender, but you will still lose in the end . it's scary how russian society and russian propaganda and some opinion leaders reacted to this tragedy. we saw the statements of many russian propagandists who wrote about the fact that there is no blood in war. that's how we saw joy. users on social networks who rejoiced over the death of dead ukrainians, the death of children well, what i am reminded of here is the most possible, it is not a direct reaction to vinnytsia, but it is the end of june, and it is also exciting because there has already been a shocking number of civilian deaths in ukraine, the director of the hermitage is pro-russian culture, a little mykhailo vasyl petrovskyi told a russian newspaper that war is normal, it is normal to want to assert oneself, and that in comparison to military

operations, everything is not so simple, on the one hand, war is - this is blood and murder, and on the other hand, it is the affirmation of the people and the affirmation of the nation. each person wants to be affirmed in his position regarding the war . you need to set your priorities right it's scary these words are scary do you understand it just says that this is some kind of neo-nazism i think it's just some kind of reincarnation of what happened during the second world war and how is it supported opinion leaders, people, representatives of the intelligentsia - it's really scary, well, we already have iryna, a resident of mykolaiv, a volunteer, ms. iryna. have a good day

. the largest and damage by rockets and yesterday there was also a hit to a hotel in the center of the city, please share what news what are people saying about the situation in the city about this rocket strike yesterday about today at 7:50 in the morning what is known that the residents of mykolaiv themselves are saying, well , it's clear that all people are very shocked. for everyone, it's just a pain from us because, uh, we understand that it's possible that what will continue - it's clear that we're getting used to it, well, you don't want it, but people are like that so that she gets used to us coming, we get used to coming, we have to live with it in general, it is very painful that it is ours well, today, the two presenters of the university, a lot of people studied there, and

it is at the expense of each of us, what about that i am a volunteer, i guess i can’t be so loud about it very i want to say this out loud because i recently came to the city, returned, and when i saw the conditions in which my neighbors live, the neighbors of my buildings, you know. well, it is simply impossible not to do these things , because irina was actually designated as a volunteer because our editors briefly got acquainted with your story and we know that you actually continue to stay in the city on the 142nd day of the war and explain in more detail tell your story so the shelling is getting more intense but the culprit is evacuating do you care about someone how what does the situation look like? tell me what exactly it was like in your life. during this war, what all led to the fact that you stay in your house and, uh, you don't, uh, you don't evacuate, despite

the intense shelling of the russians. well, look at the italian one, i have the opportunity to leave, leave and live safely, and only on television on vibers there are all kinds of pictures to look at all these horrors, but you understand what the matter is when you look at the people who live and survive here, who cannot leave and do not want to leave because this is their home and they don't want to leave it, so i have to, so i decided to be together with them and help. we also have everyday issues here. this is that we don't have drinking water in the city at all, but thanks to our leadership, they are getting organized. the issue is very painful for us now . the topic is that our house is not alone. there are four such houses.

we have already come under fire three times today, and now all of our buildings are in such a state that there are simply no such buildings in the whole city. and you know the point is that the city is doing something but the city and the mayor's office work according to their regulations and according to their rules, and during the war, they can not help the residents, they cannot help the residents repair their buildings. communications, don't give people uh, heating, and my people will just stay on the street, on the street, because some of them simply can't theoretically go anywhere, so let's explain in more detail, ms. irina, what kind of people are these because of whom you do not go and about whom you care who it is who are these people? pensioners and people of old

age. people who cannot move due to physical disabilities. there are also family members who simply cannot leave their residents lying down. they are sitting without gas, without my light. thank god , he is my light right away, but we are worried about these ones. they are also cooking something for us there. they help a lot with the international organization that transports hot food, uh , it helps us a lot. our problems and decided to put windows in every apartment of the house so that people could somehow survive the winter, but you know, this needs to be explained to people a little bit, even in the evening we go out and we have such small, not very meetings, meetings where we

communicate and, you know, people have hope that they are not abandoned. and what did you do before the war? do you have anything to do with volunteer initiatives or charity? no, we don't. and before that i worked. well, i had to figure it all out on my own and do all this. are you taking care of the residents of your house in mykolaiv who can’t leave or can’t come down to get the same hot food that they can transport, so they can't take care of themselves and the residents of neighboring houses in your area who could n't evacuate. well, what do these united efforts of people to help others look like? what does this volunteer front look like? because i am

i understand from your words that you are not alone, there is a group of people who have now united, a group of residents in your area who are actually coordinating efforts in order to make life easier and save lives, in essence, because if you do not come to these people's homes, do not bring them food, do not bring them if they drink water, then they just die, that's how it turns out. the fact is that a lot of people want to do something, but they don't understand . they don't understand what an organization is. they don't understand who they can turn to. they don't understand where they can go, you know what they say. oh, we are from vanilla to the hotline, we have no one, good people , you need to understand where you are calling, in fact, it was still a priority in my far, well, peaceful in my peaceful life, i understand who you can turn to, i understand, uh, who you can ask