the first people who also want to need volunteer help, but they don’t have any social media and don’t even have a smartphone, that’s why they want to be volunteers, or they already are, but they still don’t have, for example, a smartphone of the same one. elena narrowa, the head of the volunteer platform, was in touch with us, an extremely important useful initiative and which, as we can see, already unites thousands and hundreds of thousands of users across the country, what about andriy, perhaps we will have time to inform you of some fresh news we include our next guest, we can easily report some fresh news, for example, we can report that the united states congress voted to increase it by 100 million dollars, this is from defections express of our partners , the information is the military aid of ukraine, and it is exactly

100 million, by the way, there are more than by 100 million 100 million ss increase to go purposefully to the training of ukrainian pilots and for not only by the way there for combat aircraft also there for drones for helicopters for everything else but including for airplanes here, in this sense, it is very interesting whether ukrainians will finally be allowed to learn a little bit and switch to such combat vehicles as, for example, the m16, that would be the super falk there or the f18 super hornet and so on, these very, very cool eh four class four plus eh fighters bombers which would be very helpful because ukraine simply does not have a position in the sky and it would be a great help for future counter-attacking pieces well, but we counted by the way, referring to the words of mr. ignat in which we very often include the spokesman of the vizkopit forces of ukraine about the fact that after all, somewhere up to nine months

is needed for a pilot who is already well trained to be assigned to one pilot, for example, f16, because it is, after all, a completely different philosophy already in the plane, and there is a different philosophy there, there is an opportunity to look through , for example, there is a plane relatively speaking in because lomi and so on. well, but from six to six months, ukraine could already. well, just in the sky, they would not be afraid to fly to the front line, they would simply not fly from their these because it would be scary, we see that a number of statements by the minister of defense, oleksiy reznikov, were analyzed into quotations, e.e., his interview with a foreign exchange, well, in particular, the financing times interview in which the minister of defense said that, first of all , the information about the smuggling of western weapons from ukraine is not true and there is no concern of the west at the same time, ukraine has promised

better control, and in the near future, such a temporary investigation-temporary special commission will be created in the verkhovna rada, which will monitor and report on these weapons received from the west partners, this was reported in the president's office. well , reznikov also said that he is sure that in the near future ukraine will receive from its partners missiles for spawners with a range of 300 km. well, the most recent statement of the minister of defense already in an interview with the bbc is about what the minister of defense considers possible to finish war with russia by the end of this year or at least liberate ukrainian territories as of february 23. well, i'm on the phone, the next guest is informing us, our editor is kateryna chueva, deputy minister of culture and information policy, congratulations mrs.

kateryna good day good day let's start with the fact that unesco will support the creation of a digital platform for the management of national heritage. please tell us about this initiative, what is its concept, how will it work? days of the full- scale invasion, we are working with a number of international organizations, and of course unesco, as an organization that takes care of cultural heritage on a global scale, is one of the of our key partners in the dialogue and search for support, respectively. last week , there was a visit to kyiv by representatives of the unesco secretariat . step by step, the

international committee for the conservation and restoration of cultural values, in fact, in such cooperation , we are developing a response program to this emergency situation that has developed in the realm of protection of cultural heritage and of course the digitalization of processes in the tsar's heritage is one of the priorities because actually this process did not start before that, but unfortunately the war is not a very significant correction in our approaches, how and at what speed we must move so that these processes serve for the benefit and preservation heritage in the conditions of war so that we manage to document the destruction and damage that, unfortunately, occur and continue to occur so that we can quickly use this information and pass it on to everyone to the interested parties, and actually , so that those processes that continue in our daily life are not disturbed in the same way, because there are many processes that cannot be stopped quickly, unfortunately,

for example, these are primary restoration or conservation measures that, to keep this rhythm in work, since the monuments, unfortunately, cannot wait until the end of the war and had to do something for their preservation and, accordingly, the transfer of all processes of permits and others into a digital format now very quickly makes life easier and helps us to work very quickly. therefore, the support of international organizations that provide both financial support and organizational and methodological support is very important for us, because we can organize the developments that ukraine is doing with international experience, attract this international expertise , that's it for now this is the kind of network support that will work at different levels, and we hope that in the financial dimension, the quiz is also there, and minister tkachenko stated the need to be held carrying out such a policy of russification at

the level of ukraine and, actually, by analogy with decommunization, the minister himself mentioned this by analogy. on the other hand, we are aware that this process is much more complicated for various reasons, for example . the territory of most of the ukrainian lands was much longer than the communist one, and accordingly this process is much more complicated, well, relatively speaking, if we take vinnytsia itself, which has suffered a lot now from the russian rocket attack, when we talk about the sale of vinnytsia, it always comes to my mind that the main such cultural center of vinnytsia is probably the pirogov estate, and this is one of the examples on which we can see that it is not so easy, well, relatively speaking, to de-russify the space, and one must very clearly realize that this ultimately means, for example

, should there be any cultural appropriation of such and such places and such figures as the same pirogov, or should it be their appropriation simply by simply calling pirogov a ukrainian because he is, you see for example, i had real estate here and lived, for example, all my life, or should it really be some kind of cancel cancellation of russian culture and it’s just forgetting the sun, there are difficult questions, are you working on them and do you come to any decisions, or do you think it’s better to postpone it for another time, calmer a- thank you for the question, in fact, the ministry of culture , information policy, and this very name obliges us to work with these issues, and they usually pay attention to it, you know, if within the framework of the ministry, a council was actually created ah, the council, which originally even had such a name with er, de-russification and de-soradization, but we

debated for a very long time about this word, in fact, er, and after these discussions, in some of which we involved historians, our own member of pravda members, some other colleagues, er, there were a decision was made to slightly adjust its name and accordingly specify this concept of work eh and now we are talking about overcoming the consequences of russification and the consequences of the eh soviet totalitarian policy of the russian tatar policy because we are dealing with a multi-layered eh well no let's say a phenomenon well, yes, but with such a multi-layered phenomenon that reaches the depth of several centuries and it is clear that it is impossible to completely cancel or reject in some way er these consequences they need to be reconsidered, reconsideration includes a whole series of processes, this and research in a different way, so critical reflection academic researchers and museum institutions actually work here, that is, all cultural institutions that generally

work with memory and are related to this field , and artists are an independent sector that for the first time the view supposedly with memory does not work by itself, but we understand that there is no uh, there is no art, there is no activity of cultural institutions, uh, actually depoliticized, in fact, we are all in this political political realm, since all activity from the sand to the society in one way or another will be connected with the politics of the development of certain political decisions, therefore, we must say that we, as a society, are obviously taking the first steps towards this process, in fact, within the framework of world processes, this is a big process before colonization, in general, changes in the optics of changing our own attitude to its history to what ukraine went through, what the people went through, er, in different periods with different consequences, er, and what to do with it now, so just delete it from forget it, unfortunately, to the option, because it is probably there will be a direct path to the fact that

such stories are repeated, we need to think critically about what needs to be preserved from this and in what way to work with it in the future, what interpretations will it have in the cultural space , in the artistic space, and so on. and it is alive process, that is, there is no uh well, we have already seen again during the 20th century what the policy of propaganda actually leads to. but in its soviet form, for example, what dire consequences it actually has, and today, today's ukraine , fortunately, has already gone beyond this that is, we are already at a different stage and we will hope that these processes of rethinking will give sufficient immunity against such a policy, well , in the future, even if it occurs to someone to implement ms. kateryna for one minute we literally have no prospects of excluding russia from unesco in connection with the looting of ukrainian museums and the destruction

of heritage. well, we can talk about hundreds of cases in general. damage or destruction also refers to the removal of the collection from russia, this and the mariupol melitopol museums, the rocket attack on the skovorody museum in the kharkiv region, and other such cases, what to do with the fact that russia still remains in the composition unesco and what are the successes of e raising this issue regarding its exclusion a-a actually, this dialogue is ongoing e-e it is ongoing and e-e it is probably about changing e-e procedures e-e that need to be initiated and ukraine will work from its side on this, as far as i know, since it is not only the efforts

of the ministry of culture, unesco is an organization in which a number of ministries and other organizations are involved in the work of our side, respectively , including the public sector, therefore, now we are talking about what after world war ii actually during the existence of unesco, there were no such precedents, the un institute and the unesco statute do not provide for a separate exclusion from unesco, therefore, it is obvious that it will be about initiating changes to the statute, and in this way, it is possible that you may be excluded or suspended membership of ukraine, i.e. the suspension of the opportunities to influence the processes or to enjoy the benefits of membership due to violations of the values ​​of the standards and compliance with the unesco statute, in fact, this is a complex process that requires a long and not always difficult process dialogue with many countries with representatives of many countries and but it continues opens up and let's

hope we need if you are the deputy minister of culture and information policy to be in touch with us thank you mrs. kateryna and right now we are watching the fresh material of our journalists what is it about that after dmytro firtash lost the monopoly on the gas market in ukraine , problems were added to millions of ordinary consumers precisely because of an independent information company. many people think that their they did not know that their switched to naftogaz, and accordingly they continued to pay according to the old accounts, obviously firtash, this is a good question. and the answer to this question is in our plot, and the main thing is also the question of whether it is possible to return the money to ms. natalia, a pensioner who single-handedly takes care of her son with a disability, a woman she has a small pension, a little over two thousand hryvnias per month, and now she will have to pay twice a month for utilities in may, the money was transferred via the internet

to my personal account at lvivgaz sales and since we pay for the month of may in june, it turns out that in june we paid honestly for services , what was the surprise of mrs. natalya when another one from naftogaz was added to the may bill from lvivgaz sales for 400 uah again. i wanted a free one to return my money in order to be paid by the second organization, the supplier failed and i did not receive a clear answer. the thing is that from may 1, all household consumers of lvivgaz sales were automatically transferred by the state to supplier of the last hope, by the decision of the cabinet of ministers, this function is performed by naftogaz of ukraine, in

general, more than 10 million customers switched to naftogaz throughout the country, and since the state did not conduct a proper information campaign, thousands of subscribers out of habit paid not to the new naftogaz, but to their previous gazbuts, and the sale of services from may does not provide paper invoices, nor does it send electronic invoices to consumers, and the internet is still here, they issue invoices for the month of june already, the former minister of of housing and communal services oleksiy kucherenko is convinced that millions of consumers in all regions of ukraine have become hostages of a failed information campaign. now, not only the return of funds to consumers, but also their subsidies

are in question. absolutely, the position of its poor management is aimed at one thing - it is huge salary bonuses of the equipment scheme and still, however, it looks like what the gas companies themselves could have taken advantage of the situation, at least in lviv, they do not show a particular desire to return overpaid money and arrange real quests for customers. ms. nataliya is in trouble, certificates, receipts, photocopies of documents, the woman collected everything that the company manager asked for, but it turned out to be not enough. she told me that it was necessary to e- to provide me with a copy of the certificate of ownership that i am the owner of that apartment, we certify the invoices with seals, they were drawn up on viber lvivgaz sales and when i called back did she receive

she said that she would not receive them, according to the woman , the problem was also that the payment for gas was made through the ipay payment system, allegedly lvivgaz sales, which for years had been accepting money through this provider, suddenly stopped recognizing his receipts, is this really the case and did gazbud stop working with we inquired about ipay on the hotline. good day, you are on the site. i see that there is an opportunity to pay for gas to the lvivgaz sales company. please tell me if this information is relevant. will it be transferred to naftogaz? that is, you accept payments based on their details, and the payments are valid.

does it pass? lvivgaz sales must recognize ipay receipts. but in the case of ms. natalya, for some reason, this did not happen. when i sent her a printout via viber, she said that it was not suitable. why are honest lviv utility payers forced to pass ? 7 circles of hell in order to return our funds, we asked the director of lvivgazbut, pavel maika, however, in his opinion, there are no problems with returning the money , any consumer who overpaid has can apply to us, write a statement, provide the necessary package of documents, and within a certain

period of time, we will return these funds at the moment. we have returned about e-th million hryvnias to our customers. the words of the director directly in the company's office were denied by this man mr. andriy cannot return his money has been coming to lviv all the way from vinnytsia for almost six months, and again without success in february. my wife mistakenly transferred money not for the consumed gas of gas transportation in the amount of 10,000 so far, this issue has not been resolved and the money has not been transferred to us. if the state does not urgently intervene to solve the problem by the fall, the situation will become catastrophic, predicts oleksiy kucherenko . citizens should have known in advance what and to whom to pay . and now they find themselves alone with their problems, they have everything it was done retroactively, you understand, as i understand it. look, if you have issued

a payment without having the right to do so, this is a criminal offense. he must be responsible for it, of course. an unpleasant period and most importantly, i don't know when it will end. i'm not sure that it will end before this heating season. the awareness campaign and the lack of a clear mechanism for refunding money have led to the fact that honest utility payers are forced to stand in queues for hours and, in addition to military problems, to solve also utilities, no matter what, and the gas company controlled by dmytro firtash, even after being transferred to the management of naftogaz , continues to enrich themselves in the future, because the number the number of consumers who will not be able to return the money remains astronomical. millions of ukrainians evacuated abroad simply will not be physically able to bring their statements and

photocopies of documents to the gas sales office. of services p olezh have you joined us yes i see that yes please turn on the sound and tell us something again so that we know that we are you you also hear yes, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, you are fine, then , oleg, let's start with this case, which we covered in the story with the transfer of consumers to naftogaz, and the actual situation with this gas sales, how to overcome these problems with payments that people have had in connection with this what do you advise, well, look, this problem started last year, when about 600,000 ukrainians were transferred through

the supply of nadia, who was the last hope on the field. they were transferred to nak naftogaz, and then the situation was even more difficult because all of them, including me, because no one knew that there a number of regional gas companies refused to supply gas, and according to the contracts we were all immediately transferred to the collectors, and the collector demanded money from us to pay to nak naftogaz, but it was the first swallow, 600,000 today, about 9 million people they found themselves in situations when they were forcibly transferred, or how naftogaz supplies to the supplier of the last nadia from regional gas companies, but most of them do not even know about it, more than half of them have overpayments to regional gas companies , i.e. ukrainians, how thrifty they saved on they saved money and paid

in advance for a year for gas, and in fact, today they are in trouble, and they owe money, and ukrainians are now forced to pay naftogaz for the second time, which refuses to supply gas if there is no advance payment. this is your opinion. that is, we understand that until the end of the war as it was said, there will be a moratorium on tariff increases, there will be a moratorium, and what do you think about it, because in general, it is you to say it. i understand that some people can, in principle, pay more, on the other hand, they are the same as those who they really can't pay, they just won't pay in the same way and who will pay for them then, well, today the situation really is a moratorium on raising tariffs. by the way, i don't see a problem here because there is no point in raising tariffs now, for today, you just need to get things right and

in the system of housing and communal sports, deal with who pays, who does not pay, who already lives in an apartment building, we do not have a crisis , and our solvency in the war zone is paid for housing and communal services no more 10% of consumers, and in the middle zone, as it is called there, kyiv and other cities vinnytsia pay somewhere up to 60%, and consumers and in the zone remote from hostilities pay for communal services there up to 80% comes to the fore as a period quite a- and the inflow to the figure is therefore not a question of raising tariffs, but of how ukrainians will pay for tariffs during the war in the future, and especially during the heating season, because even without the war, and in the same mykolaiv oblast or kirovohrad oblast, they did not pay for heating more than 50% of the population. so how will they

pay today? it’s even difficult. oh, well, it’s difficult to imagine, but here we must talk about the need for local self- government bodies to work with the state government and how to figure out how many people live in apartment buildings, or are they really there, if , for example, the house lives 10% of the population, 10% of the people, is it possible to relocate them to those houses where a has more people, empty apartments, this is possible according to the law on martial law, and this is also the responsibility of local self-government bodies and in those apartments, the temperature of life should be maintained, and at the same time, guards should be installed here and there , which will protect them from marauders or thieves, but all the local self-government bodies of the state authorities must work on this. so far, i do not see this work. utility company, the question of

paying for the utility company, it will be very acute a-a, but it is already today. by the way, debts for housing and communal services, and only for gas, debts for as of june 1, 2022, amount to uah 85 billion. the total debt of the population for housing and communal services as of january 1 amounted to 83 and 60 billion , that is, actually today for gas, and ukrainians owe more than it was six months ago for all communal services, that is, in fact, the difference there is already an additional 50 billion hryvnias, well, there are no published data about other communal services. and if you look at it even in this way, then today it means that the debts for housing and communal services amount to at least uah 140 billion

, and this is approximately the amount that is currently being spent on the war fully for the financing of the armed forces of ukraine for a month, mr. olezh well, he tells about the situation with the payment of communal services in the temporarily occupied territories. just recently they sent me payments that ukrainians receive payments even mariupol has been purchased, the situation is very difficult , for example in kherson the control over payment for housing and communal services has been taken over by the russian occupiers and those people who pay for communal services, for example in kherson in novaya kakhovka they actually finance the russian federation of russian the army, that is why we need to figure it out literally a few days ago, the central committee of the communist party of ukraine issued a statement that ukrainians should not pay for housing and communal services in the occupied territories

. the company is at such a level that every ukrainian understands that every payment for housing and communal services in kherson, under the same conditions , is funding for the russian army, it is necessary also, to convince every ukrainian that they do not receive payments. and we have many conscientious ukrainians who really pay for the utility to support life there. but i think that in this case, i agree. what to pay, and in kherson for the utility, it means supporting the russian army. well, you know what is the situation with the blocking of the enemy of citizens' access to information by blocking the internet, the spread of propaganda, there is no such thing. that is, it is very difficult to actually reach them with any information this factor is added here. thank you, mr.

olezh, it is definitely necessary to inform the citizens in the temporarily occupied territories about these aspects. oleg popenko, the head of the union of utilities consumers, was in touch with us. this is important and we are talking about it. these three hours flew by like three minutes i can say and uh and what and we actually only have the last minutes left the last minute remains ours well to say something good at the end because now uh news news from all over ukraine international news that is important to us, well, we can only say that putin changed the general director of space and our job was taken by the vice-premier from the defense department, his last name is borisov, it's ugly to say that, well, really, a person could pose for artists if he were a model