caused directly there by small arms, he says that now our soldiers are suffering directly from artillery and this is a fragmentary impression and limbs of the neck of the groin and then it means that the need for military body armor directly becomes more urgent than the need for plate carriers or am i wrong here in fact it is necessary to say that whatever - what kind of body armor is sometimes a compromise between the weight of the class of protection and its use, wearing the convenience of its seeds, if we are talking about body armor of the plate carrier type or others, the first thing to say is that protection not only from small arms and also you are snuggled in the protection of the elemental zone that provides or non-vest of the plate class it provides protection of the lethal zone and this is the zone of actual instant death, that is, if falling into this zone or bullets or lmha - it is a person or will die actually writing

medical aid that is, the tile-type body armor itself also protects against debris in the battle zone if if we say for a general military body armor and further is needed then really our war today is first of all an artillery war and if we say what needs to be done next, it is necessary already at the state level to order and finalize the existing models of stab wounds to the model that was adopted in the 18th year, which will include all ballistic protection and an area of ​​approximately 60 dm². yes , the question is, the area is one component of determining the requirements for body armor, on the other hand, the weight that you said about. time could be with body armor in the performance of a combat mission, weight if we talk about the weight of a body armor, it

consists of three main components, firstly , the cover itself will be on the vest, in any case, the cover itself, you press, will weigh from one to a router of kilograms, from this we are not going anywhere let's not push it in any way further, this is the main one, it was not a plate, the main one was a non-plate, depending on e , the material used for its manufacture, be it steel or ceramics, if we say according to them, the fourth class of weight will be from 3.1 up to 3.7 kg also, we cannot get anywhere from this, if we say for ballistic packages , then the weight of ballistic packages will be 4 kg , that is, there are some things that we cannot bypass them in any way, because if we let's say for the e-e vest of the plate-carrying class type, the weight of the plate-carrier is about 8 kg. if we talk about general military body armor, the weight of

a general military body armor will be approximately 12-13 kg. uh, in a big way to reduce this weight, the only thing i am speculating on is when instead of steel or ceramic plates, they use plates made of such weighted molecular polyethylene, really their weight can be about 1.5 kg, well, such an armor pot is in no way able to protect against a 545-7 bullet ,10 or to the fourth class of protection, which is today the main ammunition of our adversary, that is, we have two options for reducing water a-a. so when we made a high vest with a high area of ​​protection, the area of ​​protection was about 60-70 dm - the water was about 5 kg, well, it was equipped with the basic

equipment of the stove, that is, the stoves went separately under them, there were separate handlebars, and in this case, guys, if they do not have there was no threat of direct glass contact, they actually used only anti-breakage, they were in jellies . threats to detailed details related to bulletproof vests, but a simple question arises, you said at the beginning that the needs of the armed forces in bulletproof vests are met today by about 50 percent, how the ministry of defense is now implementing the task of increasing this percent there, the purchase of armored vehicles abroad, orders by ukrainian enterprises, what decisions is currently being taken by the ministry of defense, because i know you communicate directly with the departments, so who deals with this issue? well, if we say for

any information. first, he and all the information a-a has very high requirements, which is actually equivalent to admission. yes, we communicate with the ministry of defense with the relevant department, well, it could say officially that any comments a-a no, no one gives today even a private conversation, because in fact there are very high requirements for preserving military secrets, and the only information we can get is either an official message from officials and the ministry of defense, or you are already there from some military units because information about the provision of defensive vests. i understand that they also belong to the military secret from the fact that today it is known from the official reports of the ministry of defense that the state contracted a ukrainian manufacturer for about 130-140 thousand vests and a large number contracted abroad as far as i know that this is a turkish product, on which or chinese manufacturers,

which today under the order of the state supply official information on the number of bulletproof vests , there are no foreign passports. as far as i understand from what kind of information is already coming to us from abroad, this is about 300-400, if it were not for the vests, the state has probably already ordered the number of vests from foreign manufacturers, because we see that they are coming to us according to the programs, the hierarchy of who makes the best body armor and how against the background of these best foreign samples it looks like ukrainian defense companies that also manufacture armored vests. well, if we talk about the quality of non-vests, we can point to the competition only on probably two points . depends on the price, because if we say that it is really the best today, because it is not a board that exists, it is an american stove, there is a website, it is made of a treasure of

choice, it has a very, very low weight, yes, and it has a very high cost, such a stove costs about $ 400 per unit if we say for a standard ceramic plate made of aluminum oxide, it will have a weight of about 3.5 kg, it costs 150 dollars, if we show a standard metal plate of the fourth class of protection, its cost is around 70 dollars, that is, in fact there is competition in the cost of vests and state budgets, that is, there is no problem today even for ukrainian companies to supply or non-vests made of ceramic armor, only the budget ministry of defense is the first and second, we can say for conditional competition you some technological solutions regarding the production of the number of armored vests i mean, in fact, we say they are vests that have, in their design,

a specialized, patented solution that allows you to insulate the chamber bank. to the main vest , we use plastic bottles instead of vylkovo well, this is some solution, how it is used today by leading companies in the world, if we say for the competition of five bulletproof vests, then in fact it is really american wines, the vest is not for today according to all indicators regarding the weight of the class of armor plates of tests or not plates, they are the best because really today the americans are testing its armor plates are not of a common standard, which requires about 10 shots from various cartridges that allow you to actually fully test the plate, if we say for a technological solution, also the americans today on those technologies, if we are talking about ukrainian companies, then before the start of the armed aggression, in fact, ukrainian companies had production of vests, which today

almost completely correspond to vests developed in america. i have never bought vests with a cost of 400 dollars, that is, if we are talking about competition in european markets, well, ukrainians have a very normal culture in european countries , the only question is the price, in fact, for a vest on today, for most of the world's companies, that is, those that produce my vests, they may have reached a certain technical level, they all produce a well-known company that is very cool armor, which we are actually on the same level with each other, the only question is the cost there, the state's ability to purchase such a that today the ukrainian state buys armor, it looks like it is not the best, it buys a bathhouse, which is actually of normal quality, and at the same time, it has more balanced prices, because in fact, in the world, they don’t buy steel vests anymore

which companies currently manufacture bulletproof vests, what is their quantity, what is the total capacity of all ukrainian defense companies to produce a certain amount per month, if we are talking about the ukrainian market before the start of the war, yes. to the group of the ministry of defense regarding the development of the new year it was three groups of companies it was the company tim 3000 it was the company materials science together with the company ballistics and the kharkiv plant personal protective equipment it three companies that were known there even before the start of the war, that later took part in meetings, that were engaged in development, that were suppliers of the ministry of defense, you can say they are not planets , but supplied tactical equipment there, if we talk about production facilities before the start of the war, then we

can say yes i will start with the company i worked at, the kharkiv plant of personal protective equipment, our production capacity was about 5-8 thousand bozhilets per month, i understand that the company there is based on the rate of 3,000 there have a law degree, had approximately such artificial production capacity, yes. that is, without an obvious increase in the number of people and an increase in production capacity, today the production capacity of enterprises is approximately hmm, we can say somewhere around 10-15,000 bo non-vests per month, that is, ukrainian companies can today will make approximately 45,000 per vest per month, from the point of view of the duration of the product itself, the bulletproof vest is a protection that lasts

for a certain time, or relatively speaking, after a year, after two years must be transferred and replaced because they also have a certain shelf life, if we say long the ministry of defense, then the service life of the body armor of the manufacturer's warranty must be at least three years, it is in use if we say for storage at least five years, in fact, if we talk about the term service of the body armor there are only two issues here - it is the preservation of properties with a soft elastic package and or patches and this is the fabric elements. when is it normal to use body armor today to us sometimes people are contacting us who bought vests from us back in 2015. in fact, they still fully fulfill their tasks to this day. there are some points regarding hemming. something, some line has come apart or something else. that is, there are no terms that good non-metal does not exist, such an ignorant part can use if they are made with them fabrics 5 7 8 years 9

years in which bulk materials also if it is polyethylene and it was normal made in terms of protection in fact the package it can be there up to 10 years if we refer to the experience of the same of the americans themselves, some of them would be vests after there, that’s how she services there for 5-7 years, they take away , transfer to companies, producers, uh, on reefs, more well, recycling is what you press, the company, uh, takes out non-materials, conducts hmm testing, if necessary, little by little adds a huge amount of material to preserve the properties and makes a new cover and in fact, it can be there 20% of the cost of my new vest, that is, in fact, its modification , processing and then the reverse stranger in e-e contract with our military which they use different models of body armor, what is the feedback from our armed forces, what exactly do our military want to have on

the battlefield, either a light body armor or a body armor with a maximum area of ​​protection, what do the military themselves say? there are two completely different points of view here. if we take 10 people from one military unit and we will ask each of them will give their point of view, really if we say for the relief of the tile-type body armor there are so percentages of 40-50 pods say that i need a light and comfortable body armor in addition to the weight, if we are talking about platenovsky, she can still be very, very good in it, that is, she is very comfortable. i can move very quickly, she does not hinder any movements, it gives him increased mobility, so some fighters really say that we are ready to sacrifice protection to acquire more or less, to have more opportunities to move on the battlefield, yes, this is 50% of the fingers, some fighters who constantly

met with artillery shelling really say that we don’t even need vests, we are protected as much as possible, because not a vest, which will be to protect from debris have a weight of 4 kg, well, we will actually sacrifice the protection of the fourth class , that is, there is no single position regarding the survivor at all, yes, here it is necessary to say that they are a vest in most cases, it is necessary to raise it under a combat mission, this was also a concept entrusted to the ministry of defense of water and a new venezile vest, in fact we made no no because you don't live, we made a combat suit that a-a predicted for itself it's small because it's not a vest with soft ballistic protection, it was as comfortable as plutanov's. some materials were added, this is neck protection, this is protection of the intestines, this is protection for the unloaded belt, this is an additional set, not a platform, this is an opportunity,

if necessary, to get plates, to run against olamkovo pozhelet, here are questions about the concept of using or not vests and insurance of fighters who wear it or not or they take out plates because a unified state concept of use is needed because a fighter in most cases will risk his life well, to be more mobile and sometimes there is such a thing or now there is some work going on to complete this process of a uniform approach to the body armor required by the armed forces, or do they start from the 18th year? actually, this process has been stopped and there is no progress with that information. as specialists in our representatives of the kharkiv plant, personal protective equipment. i understand that some work can be done, well, in fact, because

it goes to specialists of the ministry of defense without the involvement of representatives of commercial companies internal developments at each company are indeed carried out and today, in fact, that is, the main companies that can present their own developments on the market in a month, which have already been implemented on the basis of certain experience in combat operations and the use of weapons in modern warfare, eh, the financial side of this story you you are talking about the fact that the ministry of defense has limited funds for the purchase of personal protection and therefore makes decisions according to which we buy body armor with steel plates, which are heavy and more expensive projects related to ceramic plates, we are simply unable to pay, although lighter body armor actually allows fighters to act more effectively on the field, or so the situation looks like if we say for the comparison of

metal and ceramic plates, here we need to turn attention to that we have three types of ceramics that are used for the production of ceramic jackets, firstly, this first ceramic is aluminum oxide, if we are talking about a full-size plate of the same size as a metal plate, then a plate from aluminum oxide will weigh well, probably 3.4 kg. but in this case, the steel plate will weigh 3.6 , there is practically no difference. this is boron carbide, the water can already be 2.6 kg, and here we can say that if we speak for tom, in order to make it as light as possible, a bulletproof vest must be used for selection, as the americans do, the cost will be very high if we say to save the question and scales and er and we

we can use aluminum oxide, well, that is, we are faced with the following question, we will overpay for each plate approximately 70-80 $, have a total saving of 400 g after that , we will have all the problems related to the use guide plates, why is the ceramic plate itself very vulnerable to any interference, i.e. and if the fighter fell and bumped into any obstacle, then the ceramics themselves will be damaged, well, in this case, we need to periodically inspect these plates with your attachment gasoline devices need to have a reserve of influence in order to replace a permanent soldier, that is, is this weight of 400 g worth today in our in our war, and that we will actually increase the budget for the purchase of vests by 40%. if we say for the transition of american technology, yes,

it is very interesting, well, in this case, because you do not live, it will cost 2.5 times the rain, and today these are the current-conducting countries of the world, that is, if we talk about our war, then steel plates are literally used in such quantities as needed army well, mom, today it’s the only way out, just for some divisions, you can make ceramic plates there, well, for such an army of a million people, today we simply will not financially drag you to switch to ceramics. moreover, she understood it for you, an interesting logical explanation. what other projects is the lviv defense cluster implementing today, besides manufacturing bulletproof vests, you mentioned the reservation of cars and demining equipment in more detail, what else can you give the armed forces to your company ? well, when we encountered the cars today very many volunteers and organizations supply

civilian vehicles to the front, we have some experts in our team who took part there, there were deserters who worked there on some documents for nato regarding the use of civilian vehicles in the conditions of hostilities, what is e doing about this the first question to ask at the lviv defense was about the use of certain materials to completely change all the windows in the car, because the first problem ever faced by the fighters was damage to the windshield of the car as well with a small wreck it completely makes a web, which is impossible to use this car ’s feed, first of all in that project, the modernization of the cars of the lviv defense cluster completely replaces all the windows in the cars with a-a polycarbonate inserts that give us the opportunity in the event of an emergency - a wreck not to have a problem with the formation spiders and this is, first of all, and secondly, if we are talking about the protection of the

car itself, the most common mp problem is when it hits the radiator of cars, and in fact , cars already after a few minutes. they are possible to use for this today a special armored shield that is installed in front of the radiator in order to provide actual protection against possible damage is secondly thirdly some technical solutions such as the blackout button with one button completely turns off all the lighting of the car and allows you to make it completely intuitive at night , it is invisible to the enemy. fourthly, today we are considering the issue of installing additional overtaking elements in the door pillars and behind the back seat in order to

enable more efficient use of this car and protection from not only talents or such a fast one, it is necessary to consider that not every car can be mastered because there are some weight standards that can be used to establish a reservation , that is, these are the main programs for ordering the things you are talking about, because what you are telling me reminds me of the 14th year when it is necessary was to book ordinary civilian cars. this is the impression you have. we went to the new kolos with the same requirements and with the same problems. are there orders from the military for the solutions you offer ? today i see that the order from the military is very large. booking is the same controversial point. yes, that is because we are actually trying to make a civilian car out of it, because he has a car, which is not provided for him. at first, we even refused

to book a car, well, taking into account only requests from the military regarding the modernization of cars is not only some technical solutions, but the installation of an additional military really began to give a lot of requests for the top that is installed additionally reservation of this car these are really the needs that are faced today by soldiers who are used civilian assets maxim still know about the fact that at one time did you offer the military such unusual things, in particular, as a plastic belt for a machine gun and a plastic magazine for a weapon , are there advances in these directions that were previously the officials of the ministry of defense did not want to support. well, if we say for the plastic-based development layer in january, we would have finished our efforts to produce, because the upper mount is metal, and made it already professional molds for the manufacture of upper

covers for machine guns boxes, and already in february we provided the first samples, we tested them, and at first it was for aggression, we established a full production of e-e magazines for kalashnikov machine guns , we really cooperated with ukroboronprom of this the question was given to the experimental batch when we received very good feedback from them in words, the question is further, because today everything that is produced from a-a machine gun boxes is plastic, but today it is already transferred to the defense forces of ukraine through volunteers, a really big point, very good feedback because in fact it allows you to reduce the weight, well , significantly reduce the weight for the machine gunner, so if we say for the e-e machine gunner, a plastic tape , in fact, today it also has an analogue in the world. we have not seen the weight savings can reach about 3-4 kg and for each elementalist, that is, well, it is used on the front , it is used massively, well

, there are no suspensions from the state, well, it does not exist today. and were there any complaints from users that, relatively speaking, there is plastic tape for a machine gun there, well, there it melts, burns under certain conditions, but no provides the qualities that metal tape provides. well, if we say that for the temperature regime, the temperature inside the novice machine gun is lower than already in the mode of melting plastic, that is, such complaints at all there was not, sometimes there is a question about the convenience of charging the tape itself, because there is really a need for analogs of the rakovo machine. they are developing it today, and this is probably the only problem that exists - it is a specialized device that will be able to speed up the charging of tapes, e-e, in addition to such things as a tape for machine gun reservation machines, you also now started to make non-metallic sets for demining, what is the feature of these

solutions, is there a demand for these solutions from our sappers well, first of all, we must say that we at the beginning of the war, we probably did not have such great practical knowledge on this matter, and we were already moving away from really requests from military officers in order to need a complete set of e-e bags of the navajo sapper, which is already being produced completely, feelers e cats of various farmers e-e the costs of which are being discussed today could be fired entirely from plastic materials so that they could not in any way enter into some kind of confrontation with modern mines or undermine it in a conflict, that is, completely move away from metal parts yes, there really was such a problem, first of all, you need to understand that any removal of a plastic part is a very difficult process, you need to issue molds first, it costs more than one, well, uah 1,000 , more than $10,000, and it takes 2-3 months

then you will launch a mass place today, for some details, we are already producing forms, these are two types of mine clearance areas - these are chips for erasing plastic, because somewhere in 2 months we will already present the first samples of satan's bag of a completely new model, which even artists in the world national we see it will already be a tested property that has been tested today's concert you are in contact with manufacturers not only of bulletproof vests i know that you have good contacts with those that you are ready companies and that manufacture military uniforms for our soldiers now winter is approaching due to the fact that time is running out fast enough, or today there are certain difficulties with the production of winter uniforms for the ukrainian army, how is this problem being solved?

15 companies that were regular suppliers of the ministry of defense of light direct light industry. yes, yes, today more of these ladies are involved in the production of summer summer summer uniforms, this is a suit, summer fields, some companies also began to produce winter uniforms . in my personal opinion, the problem with winter uniforms will be very big . i will not tell you whether it is true that we made a large order for the purchase of winter uniforms from turkey. there is indeed information that a very large order was placed for a summer uniform for a summer field suit from turkish manufacturers and there were some difficulties with the quality of the uniform offered by turkish manufacturers because they sometimes it does not correspond to the technical language and the ministry of defense in ukraine because cooperation there is enough cooperation with the ministry of defense of ukraine, these are very high

quality standards, so what can you really say that the quality standards of the ministry of defense of ukraine were very high in terms of quality materials in terms of durability to the third materials, therefore, in fact, if we are talking about foreign companies that have never worked with the state of the depot with the ministry of defense of ukraine , then there are really problems, they really will be. well, here