the russian occupation is actually hundreds of times worse than the nazi occupation, because the nazis were not there for a month, they were there for four years, and the difference in the number of murders is 50 times for what we know by heart , for example, that is why the russian occupation it is necessary as soon as possible who can escape er to the free part of the territory er and help our troops to liberate their home as soon as possible a-and those who can not escape there for some reason, do they have parents left or e there is another thing well, of course it is necessary to wait and er and well let's say to help is it possible for the troops, but at the same time, without impersonating yourself, trying to understand that the enemy also knows all these stories, in short, you need to understand that the enemy

has absolutely no stops in the sense of torture , that is, they know how to reduce a person to an animal state when he they can't do anything about it and no one stops it. they love torture, i will tell you as a historian that the russians are very specialized and they are not torture, they can simply bring people to any state because they will be there for to bear witness to others to bear witness and so on, therefore, if possible, of course, those who are under occupation , e.e., leave for free territory. so who can’t , e.e., means it is very deep there, e.e., minimize contacts with the enemy. well, if possible, those who are brave, who feel this power in yourself, help our armed forces. i know that there are many such people , and in particular, in zaporizhzhia, they have already gone, uh, they are already

afraid of the zaporizhzhia region, uh, the russians are afraid to walk in twos, threes, fives, that is, the partisan movement is so strong there seriously, it is precisely in the districts the former makhnov oblast and melitopol and so on, so it means that kherson oblast also has different stories there. therefore, it is necessary to understand that our troops must ensure that those who were not pushed by putin, our troops will definitely liberate that territory, must be clearly understood and all that territory, all that land will definitely return to ukraine. that's why it's important for people now to stay alive for those who buy out, i absolutely agree with you, but you know, we have one. maybe still from the soviet union, especially who has already experienced the soviet

union at a conscious age, they have such a specific attitude to denunciations , at least in the artistic environment with which i have more contact, almost everything is called denunciations , even there the creation of some kind of reputation institute and it is also said that you are denunciations or there you slander a person can you give an example of what constitutes a real denunciation, because now this surrender of enemies is called for even by the security service of ukraine. when you see someone suspicious of some neighbors. i also had neighbors who the occupation came to life, they were unknown people, but we were somehow ashamed to ask them something or tell about them. although they were really a bit of a mess, and then it turned out that they were really collaborators. well, do you see this problem ? people simply do not understand what a real denunciation is, and what is not a denunciation, no, i think that now the absolute majority of people understand that it is necessary to

cooperate with their own state with their own security agencies, because this is life, so you hesitated whether to report or not deliver this one information to our e-e agencies, and maybe these terrorists put some kind of beacon somewhere near your house or to another house and killed a person because of it, for example yes. and you here with your weights e prevented our armed forces and our law enforcement agencies e-e life of a person save that's why we need to set priorities uh priorities such that uh with our uh country and our people this is much more important than any conventions, especially completely meaningless conventions uh that's why denunciation is when a person writes anonymously when he lies when he writes untruth, for example, when someone wants to accuse someone of something that doesn't exist, that's already called a testimony.

but when you, uh, just understanding that the enemy is very treacherous in war, he has 1,000 of these saboteurs. you imagine vigilance and actually protect those people who are next to you, your family , and yourself, that's why the limit here is very simple. i think that the absolute majority of our people understand that we now have to cooperate very closely with our law enforcement agencies and, uh, everyone is on the lookout don't be afraid to say something to one of your neighbors. don't be afraid. don't be afraid that these neighbors won't come and burn down your house. victims or people who are under occupation, when it really

starts with some kind of malice from some other negative feelings. or, indeed, the messages that we saw now in the application of actions when they complained simply about women who, well, obviously somehow they tried to survive, how typical is this situation in general? i don't know about which women and about which there is something going on, and i know that the russian world is one thing to me, one person i know from luhansk said that the main difference in the human world is a clatter, it's when people they want to take revenge for the fact that they didn't happen somewhere in their life somewhere they don't work like that and somewhere they just got jealous of something else and they go and tell on their neighbors and turn from hidden enemies into open enemies, this is the russian measure for you he said that this a resident of luhansk from one and the same center of luhansk region, after which in 2014 everyone began to knock on a mass scale,

all those who were in it, so to speak, interested in this, so uh, well, this social hatred broke through, what was inside there, envy, some different stories and so on, but we are not talking about that. but what is the one who helps to protect our country, including with his vigilance , this is not knocking, this is the heroism of this phenomenon before nosiv, eh, it was most widely spread in the soviet union, if we compare this phenomenon with in other countries, it just flourished in the soviet union, and that is why we have such a certain trauma of this phenomenon, this is russian history, if you wait to read their 16th and 17th century sources , i wrote a special book on this subject called understanding russia, it is absolutely clear there

this is a spying on us, it was there even then. that is, it is not some fresh, fresh invention of the soviet union. this is a typical russian thing, a typical russian trait . and it was always parents on their children, husbands on their wives, and so on. happened a thousand times in russia, it is because they hate each other, because malice fills their society. and we must be vigilant out of love for our society so that nothing bad happens to your neighbors and to you, to your relatives. be vigilant, knowing how much gravy mr. oleksandr, i have another question for you about belarus, belarus, because we are also considering what the occupied territory is, as it turns out that not everyone comes to a single, unified opinion on this matter, the belarusians and my

there are some acquaintances of the belarusians, they create that we have an occupied territory, so we do not, strictly speaking, behave as if we were in an occupied territory, from your point of view, is it possible to compare the territory of belarus, well, and the psychological atmosphere there with our now occupied territory, let's say with kherson or with by melitopol, are these different occupations with categorically different states of people? well, let's say it happens very often and no one says a word, and the russians will say that it is necessary or at all one of them lukashenka, there are such disappearances, but they are tens, not hundreds, they are measured in tens over tens of years, that is, roughly speaking, he killed 200 people there, yes, and russians can kill 200 people

in one village in one month, that's the whole difference. oleksandr palii was in direct contact with us. we talked about the practice of denunciations and how to properly respond to what is around you in the occupied territories. let me remind you, we are talking about such well, not much a big scandal, but it is quite noticeable around the application, the action that i introduced the function of is an enemy and calls on ukrainians to look around and if you find that something is suspicious, then write in this chat-booth, this applies to both occupied and non-occupied territories, and in particular and cases of color-borationism, but unfortunately, the admins added a not very good example to the actions and showed and as

an example a message about a seemingly pregnant woman from apparently rashist so what well, that's how they reported it, so we're figuring it out, and how can i react like distinguish real collaborationism from people's simple attempts to survive. well, we've been talking about this for a long time, and it seems to me that they still haven't explained well enough to people in general how to behave in such situations , because i still see cases when, after all, people are ashamed to talk about something suspicious, they think that it is not very correct to somehow drip on their neighbors like that, even if something seems to be wrong with them, but still you can't say anything anywhere, because they say it will be a denunciation, and from the time of the soviet union we understand that this is a very bad phenomenon and, well, sometimes i still stand by it. and what we can’t distinguish is

really enough, such a bad thing is a bad story because, uh, because the detection of a real enemy or collaborator, some swindler or a person who simply works for the russians we can save not only ourselves, not only our neighbors, but many , many people around a-a and now we will talk about it in general with e from the point of view of psychology with the psychological elena's island elena greetings how do you hear me greetings i hear you well and wonderful elena well, a actually, it seems to me that after all, we do not have a very well-thought-out algorithm for dealing with occupied territories and non-occupied territories. until now, before a full-scale invasion, i am generally silent because there was nothing at all there . they waited for the russian peace, now they happily cooperate with him, what is going on in the minds of the

people who did not expect any russian peace, what is the situation, and what is happening to the people in general? well, what is happening to the people there are no evaluation criteria because we did not give them, in fact, during all these years of war, unfortunately, that is, how to distinguish who is a collaborator, who is a traitor, and who is a person who is really trying to survive in that territory. and the second such moment that we have this is stigmatization. that is, we begin to harass those people who we think are collaborators , or they are actually collaborators or they are not collaborators. let's go back to point number one - these are evaluation criteria, that's why in people's heads , eh, things can happen. it is this mixture confusion and here we really need to sort it out, but we need to start with the fact that we must understand that the

goal of the russians is to seize our territory and destroy everything on the loyal population, that is, to depopulate the territory, to free it from everything ukrainian, and that is why pso is also carried out in the occupied territories the so-called informational and psychological special operations in order to, firstly, intimidate people, secondly, to subdue them, and thirdly, to cause such a state of helplessness in them, that is, to teach them to be helpless and to make it a model for their behavior and in general way of life and way of thinking, that is, when they understood that they cannot change anything, they do not affect anything and they cannot do anything. so, in essence, they make people passive, and on the other hand, they destroy all the active, proactive ukrainian population, they simply push them out and they set up a whole system of repression there for proactive citizens, they intimidate the passive part of the passive majority in the same way so that they would be innocent,

that’s how they have a system of influence and there really is activity, conscious collaborators, and there are passive ones, and here you are absolutely you are right, they are active collaborators, they are very genuine and they work for an idea and for money, it is really very easy to single out such people because they are very actively engaged in propaganda and they essentially show with their whole lifestyle who they are, not whose side they are on here, i think not in whom there will be no doubts, but here is the third category of people who start this collaboration, cynicism due to fear, here the nuances begin, that is, people who have this fear, who have this learned helplessness, whose brains have already been worked on they are already they are becoming forced collaborators, so to speak, and with those people it is very, very difficult here, there are a lot of psychological nuances and moments when you have to distinguish between fear and activity , ideas and money are already joining here. is it just

fear ? well, what needs to be distinguished, you need to approach these people very individually, but on and how, well, let's conditionally say, just in case , and to people who may be us. well, let's say that they are under threat, so that they are ready , so that we are all ready, because he knows what will happen, so how can you resist this, but relatively speaking, they start to intimidate you there, more often than not, so we know about the case , nobody needs you. to what extent it applies to people who were captured, but also to people who are in the occupied territories, but how to prepare yourself for this in general, so as not to break down as much as possible well, first of all, you need to know what will happen, there will be informational and psychological specialists separation in order to cause fear and when a

person gets into a situation where he begins to be affected by this operation, a special operation, then as much as possible disconnect from the mass media, you don’t need to listen to them, you don’t need to read these telegram channels where these fakes are spread, any information causes intimidation fear , the feeling of fear, must be identified as that which is aimed at oppression. that is, it is simply necessary to consciously understand that this is how we know knowledge. by the way, it saves us from many mistakes and many things we need to know that this will happen, this will happen , secondly, we, those in the unoccupied territories , need to constantly give messages so that collaborators appear, you people who are under occupation , that is, we do not need to stigmatize us first of all, and you know this with love love works, but when we cannot act in those territories, then we have to talk about this love. that is, we constantly have to say that some occupied city is ukraine, there kharkiv is ukraine, the

kherson people of ukraine, no one will ever leave you. we we will always be here with you, it is very important that our individual connections work, family, family, relatives, our relatives stayed there or are familiar with them constantly these messages constantly talk about the fact that we will return all these territories under any circumstances, we will never leave you too well, of course it is necessary to start communication with these people and at the state level it is necessary to give these people instructions on how to behave in different situations, i.e. to give the rules of life in the occupation and these rules should be written very clearly, for example, you should not take participation in rallies, we do not go there, if there is something like that, they drive them to rallies, then of course it is already here. well , this is also a factor to be taken into account. there is no need to take into account with them, for example, there will be no logical interactions in their and these spheres, that is, there is no need to work for their media, there is no need to work. in their school to teach children about this, they give their ideologies to instill in

children all these stereotypes of the russian world. there is no need to do this, what should teachers do? for example, if teachers find themselves in such situations and you, for example, teach, retrain and you are the one teach a subject where there is no such ideological component or find a job, for example, in the service sector and simply teach children online by tutoring, but again with proven ones whom you trust. there are no such rules of life in the occupation, we did not write them down and we have to deal with it olena, what do you think in general, are women in such situations or in the most stigmatized situations, or are they among the ones that we see in such situations? yes, there are many such situations cases when he is outraged by some kind of connection between russian soldiers and ukrainian girls and

women and often believe that the girls themselves wanted to do this, although it should be clear , especially after all these cases of er-e rape in the wants so eh, well, this is clearly not from of their own free will, but still people still do not understand this and accuse these girls and women of real cooperation, that this is what they are doing for the sake of profit, is it really the most difficult for women in such situations , unfortunately, we have such a thing, but here we have to realize that this is a survival strategy. women have such a survival strategy, and not only women, men also create connections with those who have a resource. that is, it is characteristic of us when we use to go to someone who has a resource in order to get this resource for survival and here it is not important whether there are women or men, but women really fall under this

particular category and well, we still need to stop engaging in stigmatization, understand that this is a strategy in order to survive, and this strategy is used by the occupiers. they, after all, have a demand for sex services in order to have a woman next to me or what, i don't know what there are, what preferences, but this is created and the demand is there and conditions are created for this. and this, well, what is the inequality of power, the occupier is on a higher level, he has more power, he he oppresses, intimidates, he puts people in such conditions where they are forced to look for survival strategies and he narrows these survival strategies, sometimes a woman is really narrowed down to a survival strategy where she goes to form ties with the occupiers, but again here it is important for a woman to understand one thing she is not alone and because very often women, when they find themselves in a situation where they think they are alone and have nowhere else to go, how to go about these relations with the

occupiers, it is difficult for a woman here. well, more precisely, it is important to group with a group of other women and or there a wider group and to find other ways to survive ah, why do you think that our society is still not very sensitive to the topic of rape, for example, or, well , any such cases in general, because ah, well, we started to deal with it like this. but again, the case with the posts there lyudmila denisova showed well, after all, i had to explain to many people that these are the posts of the same you were in such a format, it’s not very okay. and to explain it for a long enough time a-a well, somehow, we ukrainians often ourselves eh if we want to distinguish ourselves somehow - we say that we are either the best in the world or, on the contrary, the worst, that we are the worst, and that we are the only ones

. ukraine well had certain problems with well so insufficient the talk of this topic yes, we have not talked enough about this topic, it is true about lyudmila denisova and this case in general, this situation as far as i understood and understood this from lyudmila denisova, as she herself claimed, there were intentions topic and conduct her so-called informational and psychological special operation at her own discretion, her epso was incorrectly conducted, incorrectly communicated, she wanted, on the contrary, to help and draw attention to ukraine and show how it’s scary in general. what’s happening here and what we need help with. she did it. it’s completely incorrect and turned out to be a completely wrong way, because any informational psychological special operation works great when it’s based on the

truth, then when it opens where all this truth opens, we are it. we saw it like crazy, it was right, that is, we shouted about it en masse, we shouted to the whole world, the world heard it, was horrified, and the world began to actively help us, what denisov was doing was not correct wrong and was based on, let's say, unreliable information and it was communicated, you know what else it resembled as an instruction for a crime, an instruction for rape, when such messages are in such details. such an instruction is presented and a person can understand how who raped what, when they raped, and such details. well so it is not done simply for what, well, that is, what is the purpose of giving people, for example, who are bent on instructions on how to do it or what. that is why such things must be done professionally , they must be approached professionally and not

base them on lies, in no case now regarding sexual violence, this topic should be worked out by specialists and people who have experienced this violence. by the way, i want to appeal again, i have already appealed to them more than once, please do not be shy, do not be afraid, if you are in pain, please contact it can be anonymous consultations with specialists, it is not necessary to give your name there, but please contact us because there is a fear in our country ostrog that there will be condemnation, it is a big shame because we we stigmatize such people, such men, and we have this thing to put a stamp and then for the rest of our lives to stigmatize a person because of that, so here, well, we have to balance everything now and come to an understanding that this is rape, it's not about sex, it's rape, it's like as a tool to kill a person morally and physically, it is like cutting a leg, cutting a person's ear, cutting off parts of the body in the

same way and that is why it is a crime, war crimes do not need to be resonato sexualized, it is generally those who raped, they are not men at all, these are lessons yes, we are russians, even if we already agree in society that we should call everything by our names.org maybe a fairy tale, yes, a literary character, maybe he is even better than a russian soldier in many ways, but in the end, elena, we are talking about this case in general the actions of this application also have an enemy, which from my point of view is absolutely not a bad idea. and yes, in the occupied territories, not in the occupied territories, we can all write there about a person who seems suspicious, and that's why i have a question, for example, how to distinguish let's take the territories that are no longer occupied, how do you distinguish a suspicious person and, for example, among

neighbors , how do you determine this? we cannot know whether this person is a collaborator or not, whether or not he is passing on any information or not. we can suspect something, and we can share these suspicions with other people in our circle who also know this person and we can observe with this person, in the end, if he already arouses a lot of suspicion in everyone, then you can turn to the law enforcement authorities and recommend that they pay attention to this person, there is nothing wrong with this, because this is a war, and we really need to understand and we need to approach each case individually, but we have two minutes , and here i want to ask you because i really often meet with such a position that people are still

ashamed even if they clearly understand that their sou is some kind of unclear who is very, very suspicious they are still ashamed to report it somewhere or to write somewhere or to it because they have this idea that it is a denunciation, a denunciation , it is bad, you cannot denounce a person, and therefore there is a certain psychological barrier or, uh, well, do you agree you know that there are still many such cases, and you have to do something about it. how to deal with it. well, it’s called in general, it’s like the corporate culture in each. so when europeans come here, european countries and international organizations. they have an operational culture if a rapist or, for example, someone there is doing wrong, that is, i am talking more about violence now, then the person who is subjected to violence, she applies to a special department that deals with violence prevention, if she falls asleep there, for example, sexual harassment, she applies to the appropriate department, where she says that i

was harassed in such and such a way and then it is at the level of this department that they are considered. this person can apply completely anonymously in the same way, and there must be a person here, that is, if she is afraid that she will become a sex worker there, where she spends the night, and so on. she can regroup with your acquaintances, they can observe what is happening together and then turn to the relevant authorities and say we have a suspicion, we don't know , maybe we are wrong, that is, here a person can say to himself, i may be right, maybe i am not right, i am not i don't have the competence to figure it out and she turns to the competent authorities who will figure it out and there's nothing wrong with that olena, thank you very much for these explanations. i think it will be useful for many people in the future and i encourage everyone and myself also to prepare for different situations because purely some practical points they are very helpful in a-a dangerous situations and you really need to be able to

distinguish between different points by the russians, but this is absolutely normal , you need to treat this with understanding because everyone saves themselves as best they can and as long as we don't threaten our actions and the state around us , it's still not wise to do something actions to save your life, the life of your children and , er, loved ones olena, thank you once again. but i will remind you. today we talked about the practice of the soviet union and how nowadays it is possible to report in a normal, civilized and correct manner about suspicious people around me, there are special applications in the acting law enforcement agencies and what should be done because this is your safety and the safety of people around is on this i have everything thank you that