there will be no event, but about this cry that you just mentioned, is it not an exaggeration in the sense that, of course, there are economic consequences for europe as well. but isn’t this cry more political than economic, in your opinion, and it my opinion is uh, more moscow, because the company has such leaders in mind, they actually work for the role that was allocated to them , written to them, and for which they most likely receive certain dividends. therefore, uh, it is actually already too clear and clear and clear for everyone is even for those who just recently said that it was necessary to find some compromises with moscow, that it was necessary to allow putin not to lose face and the like and the like, but now even all political figures who

loved putin for a long time understood that this is the way to nowhere and it is necessary to really complete, as the classic wrote, the orphan widow because otherwise the world will always be in danger and i want to hear your opinion about pain points in moscow and sanctions are expanding blacklists are expanding here by the way, this is probably the only list where we say to russians welcome you can see it in the sanctions lists here. we invite you to continue, but what are the pain points of the kremlin that we can press on so that the sanctions work faster and the result is more effective? what do you think? i have already talked about this several times , including on your broadcasts. in fact, the russian economy, if even these sanctions that are already in place today are continued, it is doomed , look at today, eh. if you listen to the tone of the meeting held by putin with his

supporters, so to speak, it already says that there is no there are no hints of any pabin-bearing relations , drums and the like, he already understands that the russian economy has reached a dead end, hopeless technologies cannot develop, and therefore the collapse is not even on the horizon, it is already approaching, and at the same time, quite quickly, economists believe that such a collapse is -e can be expected at the end of the year at the beginning of the next year well, then it will go on a very interesting spiral in relation to the following pain points, then there are definitely enough of them. well, let's take the nuclear power industry of the russian federation it produces something on e serves many objects

on the territory of the european union. isn't this a topic for the thinking of ivan's european partners, a topic for you. god grant that they pay attention and i thank you for this too. unfortunately, we have to stop at this, but i think that this is the topic which we will discuss more than once , because it is in perspective volodymyr hryshko minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007 and 2009, next we have to talk about our incredible people, about our people who bring victory closer every day, about the master jewelry maker i got to know kateryna titova from gostomel in march and, unfortunately, not because of her craft, then she was evacuated on foot to kyiv through the occupied bucha and irpin. kateryna and her family have already returned to their house damaged by shelling and returned to their favorite work. the war inspired her to a new series of works that should be engraved in the memory to live on , an exclusive story from a fired guest house in an interview with andrii dekhtyarenko, you

understand, now is a time when you can't be cowards, you can't be afraid if it was before what was it upbringing yes, what type be quiet be be more modest, it's not possible now, now you have to be bolder and decorate the bolder so that they are also express your position and yours, what kind of place is this where we are now, why is there no wall here, well, it was supposed to be my new

workshop ah it was uh before that. it was a big wooden barn. last summer, my husband and i took everything out of here, and then we installed windows, insulated everything with our own hands, insulated the walls, made the stairs ourselves, welded them, that is, we completely did everything ourselves, but on march 4, we were in the basement, er, i was here battle and one of the shells hit a neighbor's barrel of water behind here and pieces of this barrel and pieces of the shell fragment just flew everywhere and this wall just collapsed, the wall almost the entire roof there collapsed from the outside so you can't see it. everything at the neighbor's house was very damaged and completely flew out. three years and almost

half of the roof was also destroyed, uh, the whole wall was there, too, there in these ones, but there were four of you here in gostomel with children. how long did you spend there, and i actually know the odyssey. how did you make your way from gostomel to bucha, then to irpin and in kyiv if can you briefly tell me how it all happened? we were in the basement on the third day. the soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine came to us and started to build a defense point here. it was so calm next to us because our guys were nearby, everything was fine, and then at night the battle began, they repelled it, we understood it so well, then in the morning there were a lot of dead bodies of equipment, everything here was terrible, even on youtube

there is a video of this with these shots well, what did they storm a all this equipment that tried to attack us for a day, they stormed us all night, they caught up, and then the second battle began. it was the afternoon of march 4. and it was such a terrible battle when they were already hitting right here, and our neighbors still have so many holes left in their gardens. neighbors, the house completely burned down and we were also surrounded by flies. at that time, we were in the basement of four. that is, we spent the whole night there from three to four and almost

the whole day on march 4. our basement is not suitable for being there for a long time, of course we go there they pulled up all the blankets, pillows, uh, we had two armchairs there, we put them there too, and they actually saved us because it was two by two by two, no, even less, even less, there are 170 by 170 by 170 shelves on the sides, that is, normal the children even fell asleep, you and i were a husband and two children and a cat , so when you decided that you had to definitely run away from here, you heard that our house had flown in. that is, it was just like that babach . it's a terrible joke that we decided, i was almost there i'm sure that we don't have a roof or a wall or

a house in general, well, that is, i don't know, well, it was very loud and so straight, and our basement was shaking like that , and when the first babakh happened and we heard it, i sat in the basement and said, well, that's it, now to us we have to run and the children are like that oh, where? and we called our godfathers in bucha this morning, and they say, well , listen, we didn’t sleep all night because there was a battle, we are so tired, can we come to you, maybe for a day or two let's sleep, let's just fall asleep, they are so natural. let's wait for you. come in we are normal here, we are here, we are here, we have humanitarian headquarters and electricity, everything is there. because we did not have electricity for four days, there was only hard water and that was all. and here we are, i say all the people. they must flee to bucha, to bucha, what should we do right in the basement

, under a flashlight, they wrote a list of what we need to do in the house before we run away, but there was such a terrible fight that we realized that we won't have time to do any of that, your world shrinks to 10 minutes and you realize that your life is now 10 minutes between this e and this one babah and this babah, and between them you live well and that’s it, well, it’s terrible, of course, because before that we planned our lives there for a month, for two, for six months already ahead, and here it’s 10 minutes. that’s all. your life is 10 minutes and one the basement is not even a house , not even gostomel, not even ukraine, that’s 10 minutes, and that’s why when all this arrived. well, once every 10-15 minutes. i felt as if it arrived somewhere in 10 seconds. although i didn’t hear it, for example , the children wanted to go to the toilet and so on they are there, they are all back and i start shouting faster, faster, they are back

they are already running to it, and here something flies near the house and the husband just throws the little one into the basement, i catch her, and like that, there is such and such dust around him and everything, and he also falls, and then he sat like that, he well, he was a little deaf, then he sat like that, well, he came to you and that's why you don't understand how much time you have, whether you have 10 minutes or 15 or 20, and when it happened for longer than 15 minutes, we heard our neighbor calling us from outside because he was also in the basement and he went out. and he went to see how we were , if everything was okay with us, and this was his voice we left and he says let's go to the glass factory , we have a glass factory, there is a bomb shelter there, well, there would have been a lot of people there at that time, he says let's go there and we yes-yes-yes let's go, let's get together, we, er,

put the children in the hall, gave them clothes they said, "this is how you dress, we went to gather things, yes, yes, in a hurry, in a hurry. in other words, we gathered things so quickly that my children did not have a single pair of er, paired, er, socks, not a single one, so there was a whole collection of different socks, because that's what i did, and my husband at all, he did not take any of ani's underwear none of the socks, he says. yes, there are children. i have everything for the children, the children and everything, that is, everything is there, the decoration tool. everything is left at home . i'm not from a horror movie, that is, everything is smoking, corpses, weapons, and there is such a pillar of fire because they hit a gas pipe, and

there is also something smoking, something is whistling, something is burning , and there is such a roar from that pillar fire , that is, he is a friend very loudly and no living person nearby and we understand that we have to run across the street to get to the bomb shelter and at the same moment we understand that we will not make it to the factory. that is, we have to run across the intersection and we understand that we will not make it because we do not know because the intersection is visible and we are being shot at that there will simply be four corpses and that's it. and that's why we abruptly, i even said, i say, sasha, maybe i'll call the guys, maybe someone will cover us while we and he is all humming, he's smoking, guys, and silence, well, that is, there is no one, and then we understand that we are like this now we turn and along the fences we run to bucha and we turn around sasha says to the children, run like this

, we bent down and like that, run everything and we ran ran ran then we turned there due to the movement of the village we exhaled a little, the children say oh we want to drink and we are like this, we didn't take anything well let's go, then we're there through townhouses and single-family houses, smoke is burning all around, that is, we're just going to some kind of apocalypse and here we are at four tasya is running crying she says mom i want to drink i'm there i'm tired my legs hurt there are still others i say rabbit well let's be patient, we'll get to buchi, our friends are there . you'll have vodichka and wi-fi and cartoons. let 's just run. all the time, i told the children that we are superheroes. imagine that we are like four superheroes and we are now, we are everywhere

. oh, we'll go out there, a little bit, a little bit was enough, but then mom, i want to drink, we've already reached buchi, i was frolicking there, i say, god, sasha - this is the forest, they said it was mined, he says wait , they're mining when they haven't been here for a long time, calm down here there is nothing i, but really that is me i understand that i'm already so terrified that i'm already afraid of everything and we then we walk along bucha and there are such townhouses and a man comes out and looks at us, i.e. two bucha - silence silence the dog doesn't bark and we're the four of us we're walking with backpacks , he's like this or where are we from, we, with the guests, and we are like that, oh my god, let them drink some water. come in, they took us to the yard, they gave the little ones some lemonade, they gave us otaku, a pint and a half of water, they all asked what was there, as they say . to whom everything and we went and

then the whole rest i just heard mom alimonadto us us and when you give it to us when we get there and when we get there we will get there soon and maybe i won't share, maybe you couldn't have been easier because the child no longer thought that we had gone through something so terrible there somewhere she thought that we were all there, she focused nationally, she focused that it would be our lemonade. i won't be with anyone, well, katya, but it turned out that it was also dangerous in buchi, and then you ran through the irpi, yes, there, and you were photographed, it seems that a reuters correspondent oh wrote super famous himself ah, pictures, yes. when did you find out that you became,

so to speak, a world-famous person? they tell us to run faster because you might get hit, write like this and not like that because something is flying there, something is burning there, something is smoking there, something is bombing there, and we ran, everything was fine, we got on the bus there, and then we got to kyiv, we... we are already walking around the campus and a girl writes to me on instagram irpinya says i saw you now, you say they ran to romanovka live broadcast i saw you how good you survived and i am such a live broadcast and we and we were in complete isolation for about a week i called we called uh from the basement to my godmother and they asked masha what kind of news is there, tell me. and we were lying in the basement in front of the loud voices of the students and masha read us the news, and then

russian propaganda was written and they said live on the air that it was all the actors running and the curtains because they were somehow not dressed like that. statements about me at first, when we reached akademmistechko and me someone posted a link to bbc russia, it seems. and this is our photo and that's all. i was so angry. i had such terrible adrenaline. i was ready to just bite everyone. i started to answer them what the hell. oh, and the sector. i'm writing this. i'm running. we're running. it's dad. then at some point i realized that there, well, it doesn't want to believe that this is happening, reality, to believe or not, that's the choice. well, their choice is not to believe, it's the actors, look at the clean sneakers the women have, but they ran shopping and everything else well, i wore these sneakers for the second time in my life

i bought it before the war. i wore it once with a dog. and this was the second time. yes, and also. i was wearing a red sports suit, first of all, because it is warm, and secondly, i realized that i needed to wear something so that i looked like a civilian, so that i would not have they hit katya, tell me, well, you weren't home for a long time, when you came back, did they loot your workshop or not, do you know i don't know how it happened, but this is our square, and for some reason the orcs didn't like it, i understood that way they looted mostly cottages and own houses, everything new or multi-storey the houses are there where you can go and walk around yes yes and here i understand that they looked like this oh my god some houses something like that oh well that's all and i understood that well hmm the only ones with us were probably sappers because all the boxes were there, you can see that the guys were checking everything, everything, everything.

when we returned to work. when did you start creating new jewelry again after your return? well, in general, i started back in vinnytsia, so, uh, they helped me a lot. our friends, jewelers from kyiv, they they just gave me a tool there and asked me to i could somehow start everything, everything, everything there, and i started there, and when i came back, well, first i had to completely change the window in my workshop, i had to patch holes in the roof there, because it had been raining recently, and i had water leaking from the ceiling. in the workshop, and sasha then climbed into it, foamed it, that he was doing something there. well, for a very, very long time, i then cleaned up the broken glass from the workshop. pieces of the wall were blown away, that is, somewhere, i don’t know how long, maybe two or three weeks. almost

every day i cleaned up little by little. then i also painted a little bit of the wall, rearranged it there, and then started working again. it must have been the beginning of june or the middle of the year that you did it. right here, well, after returning. oh, it’s probably very good, katya. come on, show me and we’ll talk about these new decorations that you started making at the beginning of the war. i'll show you this. this is my fresh one. it's a crucian carp. russian bloggers once decided to invent such a thing to insult ukrainians, and they found a picture with the image of a half-fish, half- pig, and called it a crucian crucian. well, as if there schwain is german for pig and they started pushing it all over the

public. ukrainians saw a sewing crucian carp and said, "i mean, it's offensive. but he's cool, and they even started making memes about him. " of course, i can't pass by this handsome man, and i also made it in silver and people buy it, i even personally know one person who bought a sewing crucian carp. and what do they buy from you most often now? i don't even i can show it on my hat, even though i have a puppy dog. of course, here he is. look, by the way, i’m subscribed to the puppy dog ​​on instagram and i sent him three pendants. yes, as a gift, yes, that is, the puppy dog ​​has

such a puppy. and i also started to make pendants with different regions of our country, for example, here is the donetsk region, here is kharkiv, kharkiv region, they are bought a lot, there are also kherson, mykolaiv , zaporizhzhya, luhansk, of course, that is, those that are most likely to be mined from a here for example, there will be a very symbolic thing - this is a collaboration with one craftswoman, she paints stones and she, um, makes products, well, they are very beautiful there, and she has polymer clay and hand painting and that's all. and there is and she offered, i say let 's do a collaboration with you, a pebble, i'll make it to it has some kind of silver frame and we will sell it and the money, well, somewhere for i don’t know, or come back alive or to the zsu or somewhere else, that is, no, i, she

, well, we are not going to have anything from this, and that’s it. well, i’m finishing it now and then we’ll sell it and this way he will be alone alone in the world someone will have such a pendant you are from donbas like me you are from donetsk i am from luhansk what was your experience of staying then in the occupation i know that you actually became immigrants came here how did he february 24, 2022 ah, actually, well, then i drew these parallels, the only thing i fear is , er, russian soldiers, if i see that russian soldiers are already somewhere on my land, then i have to flee even when there was shelling, when the airport was shelled there from irpen we were at home and you understand that our people don't let them in, and you feel somehow

calm about it, but when i saw this column of equipment that was going to kyiv, and then this column was shot by the guys. that's what was left near my house. it's all obukhov, but then i was already scared because i saw that the muscovite of my land, and then i became so scared. and it was the same in donetsk , that is, while there in donetsk, flags were being waved . we were all like that, oh, oh, not seriously, and then when people with machine guns in camouflage and with a russian accent began to appear, then we understood that out now we have to run away and then we ran away. do you think your children easily survived what happened because these

are terrible things and surely no one with experience, especially in childhood, should go through this oh you know i understand that my children were given this relatively easy because this situation is critical, it was short-lived, that is, the most critical days, well, it was here for two days, and then we ran to bucha, and their friends were there, and they were there for two days, just fighting and playing everything . ran away in twos families. well, while they were running away, it was a little scary because there were also planes and corpses of civilians , we were running, it was scary and hard because you have to run and the little child is five years old , her legs are hard to run malinka so that was it like that, but then when we left kyiv, when we had already

seen everything, when we arrived at the apartment and the children simply asked us, they said, are you going to the store now, we are in the store, well, buy us some chips, and here we brought them some chips, and the apartment had wi-fi and they probably came to their senses just like that they watched cartoons. they ate some food. we bought them snacks and they ate a little here. little by little. well, they recovered. then, what do you think? you actually spent a lot of time cleaning, renovating your house, and your workshop. and the children also see all this, which gives you optimism now to continue doing all this despite the fact that the war continues and we do not even know for sure whether they will not crawl there again from the north. yes, from belarus, you know. i don't even i know, in fact, maybe i have some kind of faith in the armed forces,

ha ha ha what, that is, i and and well, and plus there is somehow so logically i understand that before climbing from the north , they prepared for this for about six months, and now i understand that well there well, no one prepares like that and i, well, logically, periodically reassured myself that i was like, well, they don't prepare. you see, there is no one there, there is such a thing. now we need to fear not the muscovites, but their missiles , now we have another stage, well that is, non-occupation, yes, destruction, well, we know that there are problems with those who returned and still wants to receive some help from the state in gostomel. also, this situation is very acute. how do you deal with this? i will tell you. you submit an application, a commission comes to draw up

a deed of destruction and the amount of damages. well, we are told that there is still no such commission, that is, in fact, you are now doing everything with your own hands, with your own hands, yes, people donate a little, that's why we, yes, and that's why we were able to change the windows, for example. we changed seven three windows in full, four more double-glazed windows were changed, it costs a lot now it has also become more expensive, and that's why thanks to the people who care about us, yes, yes, they help us, i have a lot of friends, there are a lot of subscribers, i don't know, there are just a lot of kind people who are there op, that is , what can you say, the girl from the cover , considering that this is not at all an entertaining photo, but it helped you somehow, i think so, because i, for example, recently , journalists from sam yaki interviewed us they are

they also wanted to help us somehow for the restoration. not the reconstruction. well, thank you. i wanted to ask . i saw the stickers you have here in the workshop. it says do brave things. what do you mean, what does this mean? you can be afraid if it used to be, well, how can you say that it was upbringing yes, what is it like, be quieter, be more modest , be everything, now you can’t be like that, now you have to be bolder and be bolder so that your expressions and your position and everything else ie to be a gray mouse now, even i don't know. i must be like ukraine