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have already been collected; 45 million more are needed. oleksandr klymenko became the elected head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office. and now the prosecutor general of ukraine must sign the relevant order appointing klymenko the head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, at the same time the verkhovna rada of ukraine fired the head of the security service of ukraine, ivan bakanov, in line with the dismissal of iryna diktova from the post of prosecutor general of ukraine , meanwhile, russia continues to shell peaceful cities

this night, it fired seven rockets into odesa region , unfortunately, six were injured, including and the child shelling was conducted and at the same time the russian occupiers continue to lose the manpower and equipment of the first great war russia has already lost in ukraine has 38,550 people, 1,691 tanks, 3,892 armored combat vehicles, 851 artillery systems, 248 rocket launchers, 113 anti-aircraft defense systems, 220 airplanes, 188 helicopters, 2,767 units of motor vehicles, 15 ships, boats, 167 cruise missiles, 693 drones and 70 units of specialized anti-corruption equipment, according to the new head of the

procuratorate in the general prosecutor's office of ukraine and the security service of ukraine during the war, the situation on the eastern and southern fronts of ukraine talk to my guest today is a novel immortal politician diplomat former ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus congratulations mr. roman thank you for agreeing to participate in our good day program the very first competition commission for the election of the head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office approved the results of the competition, we know that the commission has chosen a new head of the anti-corruption of the prosecutor's office on december 21, that is, six months before the announcement of the actual winner, and this announcement took place after the american side spat congresswoman victoria's mustache said that it is necessary to decide who will

fight corruption in ukraine. i understand that against the background of the war and what is happening now in ukraine, it is possible that someone thinks that it is not too important, although against the background of how much aid, including financial aid, ukraine receives starting from february 24, 2022 for our foreign partners - this is very important, let's try to understand, mr. roman, what happened to the last one. the prosecutor general the prosecutor general has been suspended, a new prosecutor general has not been appointed well, in a word, is this a full stop in this long history that we have been observing since peacetime well, relative to peacetime and already during martial law uh good day and i want to say right away that if we take the

last year the political leadership of ukraine or ukraine as a whole or the delegations that were at some international forums or interactions with various world leaders or states or the institutions did not raise this question even when ukraine was submitting a candidacy for joining the european union, among the seven points in question, the point was also mentioned regarding the appointment of the relevant official, and by the way , the current personnel rotations, reshuffles that lead connected with the displacement of the prosecutor general and the head of the security service, it is obvious that they are also related to the issue of the appointment of

oleksandr klymenko, because it was fun for a long time and now it turns out that it will hang for a certain time before until the appearance of the prosecutor general, in general, these last few days they make us think about many issues related to the institutional emotion and the ability of ukraine and the political leadership to provide one of the key components of development - this is the fight against corruption. i'm not talking about the issues related to the people who take care of this line of work and the imposition of these processes, such as war, and the process of interaction with

world leaders, and the colossal problems of the world and ukraine is connected with the energy crisis and with the problems connected with the political confrontation and so on . but in fact, you very clearly noticed this, here is a thing, a memory of a congresswoman, victoria sparz, she gives answers to questions, because it is obvious that the topic of the congressman is a kind of kicker, a hint, because even the european union, which announced the moment of granting the status of candidate a about what should be done. don't become this penny. and

when the americans took it up and in parallel with the statements of congresswoman victoria spard, there was also a request to the ministry of defense of ukraine with the task of auditing the use of material and technical resources of weapons of technology and even programs that were provided by the united states of america, the pentagon, which were provided by european allies to strengthen ukraine's defense capabilities, this served as a step forward, but another situation was immediately created, this is uncertainty with the final stop, that is, it happened. let's just say that it happened that the official who should sign disappeared in ukraine, because from the point of view of the executive procedure, at the moment,

all that remained was to sign, and here it is very difficult to disagree with those analysts among award-winning specialists ukrainian specialists who talk about what can happen so that they can be temporarily performing their duties for a very long time, but here the situation that attracts attention is that they said yesterday that this is only a temporary suspension until the end of the investigation, and today you are already voting in the verkhovna rada, well. someone will say that this is a kind of information game, and someone will say that this was done on purpose in order to block the final appointment of oleksandr klymenko, that's why i'm here . by the way, i'm sorry for interrupting you, roman petrovychu and mykhailo boldly writes that the head of the commission that selected the head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office will submit it to the

prosecutor general for approval only when he receives confirmation that klymenko has access to state secrets , complies with the law on the purification of power, and this confirmation can be waited for years, and by the way, the anti-corruption center also wrote about it, that is, such a very long scheme, and i think it is simply incomprehensible for our western partners, especially for the americans who now they are doing a lot for ukraine and they are giving a lot of help, according to your opinion. what is this connected with, why is anyone so afraid of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor for 7 months, it was still before the new year, on december 1, his the competition commission determined the winner. it was only necessary to approve the results, then the war began, then the russians came to kyiv, then they moved away from kyiv from the chernihiv region, and all this time the question of the head of sap hung: why

at all, everything here lies on the surface, and because the relationship between oleksandr klymenka and how of the key candidate and his object of mr. tatarov's research. they have been known for a long time, and it is obvious that here we need to find an answer to the question why did the office and mr. yarmak and mr. tatarov not want to appear among the key figures in the fight against corruption, the figure of oleksandr klymenko is not even here, and there is nothing to talk about because it has been voiced more than once er, the president of ukraine is in favor of yarmak and tatarov, and that is why there is, let's say, the removal of those who were, let's say,

representatives of the dream team, that is, the dream team, and do you remember this photo of just-just- elected president zelensky when it is obvious when leaving there with of the elysee palace in france and this one part of this team, from which there is no one left today due to the dismissal or ivan bakanov, well, let's say as a person who knows the laws of this genre and the office or what he was called there, the administration or the secretariat, there is nothing new here, there is nothing so surprising and there is no miracle here, because farewell with figures who try to follow the laws somehow it always happened there, just like the governments, the president's violation of his constitutional rights constantly happened and an attempt to cross certain

the situation also took place, but there is another part of the question, do you understand this, uh, in this part of the drama of the last few days, the question that there are people around the president who are not exactly working for ukraine and i would not take lightly what was voiced victoria sparks because this means that the pentagon in the white house in the state department is constantly being discussed, which means that the level of trust in people who are connected to those persons will fall, and further support will depend on this, and i did not accidentally give an example that the auditors came to the ministry of defense of ukraine and here it can happen that there is no response from the point of view of the actions of the ukrainian political leadership to the remarks of the young congresswoman, as i say what i say to the young congresswoman,

it can happen that the troops will suffer and this is the most dangerous thing that can happen in such a situation, therefore, now the ministry of defense must make enormous efforts in order to show a-a results, reliable results of what was done, how they interacted, how it was provided control and so on, because it seems very strange that the draft and today's decision on the creation of a temporary special commission regarding the control of the use of property, resources and weapons supplied to the armed forces of ukraine from abroad at the same time in the verkhovna rada appear, that is, all this is not a coincidence that starting from the materials that have been published in recent weeks in the new york times , washington post on this topic, all these things are connected to

each other, it is not by chance that it unfolded in the same way as the vaccinations that are related to the suspension and the head of the security service of the prosecutor general, so there is something to think about. and one more thing, if someone somewhere in ukraine thinks that this is unreadable, that these are incomprehensible things, that this is some kind of mystery. they see it very well in the state department and in the white house, moreover, they understand it in berlin and paris, and they see it even better in london. i would not recommend in principle to resort to such primitive things, because in fact it can harm us. i say once again to the armed forces ukraine in the current decisive situation, turning points , you have already mentioned today's decision

of the verkhovna rada regarding the temporary investigative commission, but today the verkhovna rada of ukraine passed a decision to dismiss bakalny from the post of head of the security service of ukraine. only zelensky to power, this old friend of his from childhood whom he trusted and he was the head of the party, the servant of the people and managed the election campaign, not zelensky, iryna ditova is also old a friend of this team and she came with them from the first to the verkhovna rada, then she replaced ruslan ryaboshapka in the position of prosecutor general of ukraine, well, everything is logical. these are members of volodymyr zelenskyi 's team. that both the head of the security service of ukraine and the procurator general of ukraine in this difficult situation

in which we are currently at war with the russian federation play a very important important role . that is, this is an important component about the sbu, i don't even i'm talking about the prosecutor general, who is supposed to bring charges against the russian military, the russian side, and russian officials. this is the highest official in ukraine who can do this with any authority. to the party that slandered us, we understand that you have complaints against yermak, but we will now show you a plate, we will resign bakanov and the prosecutor general vynediktovy, and look now, the most dangerous thing that has fired is these eyes personnel reshuffles in the security service, which are motivated. as if there was a massive mass, as it was announced

in the last days with the council, eh, and so on, damn it, well, everyone knows very well. where is the answer to this question, and the law on reforming the security service, which provides for the withdrawal of counterintelligence into a separate institution here is the answer to this question. why was the law not adopted? well, the answer is also clear, because the preservation of such a situation was actually necessary until such a moment as now in order to play this solitaire. i do not want to resort to analysis of relations there, personal relations, and so on, the historical relations of retrospectives and vlad bakanov and volodymyr zelenskyi, in the end, their right is another matter - this is the institutional model of the state in the field of security, and everyone is well aware that the independent activity of

counterintelligence institutions - formulated a long time ago the answer to the question related to those suspicions in relation to certain persons, because if you take from 2019, remember how many generals, colonels and so on have already been detained. and where did all this go? existence and will continue to be so until the time until the first reason is not answered - this is the institutional power of security structures that would compete and control each other and prevent similar things not only from the point of view of the informational presentation of the throwing out, but also the essence so that it would be possible control in and personnel appointments, the second i yesterday and the day before yesterday followed the statements that came from the verkhovna rada, from the office of the president, even

the security services, dear specialists and those who are studying in the profession. i want you all to understand the position of the chairman security services of ukraine this is not a military position, this is a political position that is equated to a political position and it is time to understand that all political positions in the country are determined by the order of appointment and dismissal in accordance with the norms of the constitution, so please do not appeal to a special law to the disciplinary statute of the armed forces of ukraine, all the more so, i emphasize once again that the procedure for appointing and dismissing these officials is determined by the constitution of ukraine, everything is said here, that is why they were so quick to respond to unconstitutional two decrees were issued to submit relevant documents

regarding the constitutional procedure, but also here they made a mistake by violating the procedure and this is also a violation of the constitution, so please pay attention to this and the motivation that this is happening under the conditions of the legal regime of martial law is not suitable because the constitution clearly states in relation to which articles of the constitution does the legal regime of martial law apply, the articles about which we are talking now have nothing to do with the procedure for appointing the dismissal of the general prosecutor no to the order of appointment and dismissal of the head of the security service of ukraine and one more thing about which in these situations it is necessary to clearly understand the political expediency by which you are guided in the current situation

is very dangerous. there will be problems in relations and allies because they see they read all these things they understand we were born today and we entered this world today, we have been cooperating with these partners for a long, long time and they know us very well and understand what steps we can take and know very well our legal field, when it is followed and when they try to break it , so in this situation, this is a temporary union, this is a friendship in quotation marks that arose relatively speaking between political leaders between the head of the office between uh employees of the president's office, well, let 's say this triumvirate is the president, the head of the office and tatarov, it will seem to someone that she has achieved victory, we want to assure you that it is the opposite, because

i say it once again, everyone has read it, everyone has seen it and everyone understand even if it is not so. somewhere deep down, even if it is not so, everyone clearly saw that the prosecutor general was fired in order to prevent the appointment of oleksandr klymenko. two years ago, the dismissal of the heads of key units of the security service usually took place after the bank received another folder with materials about one or another person who was and remains a member of of the president of ukraine, and this is already a very dangerous, very dangerous signal, especially in the conditions of war. i really

do not want to talk about this topic, because i say once again that we must all understand that we are in conditions of war with an aggressive enemy. but i can say that these actions are unfortunately, unfortunately they objectively objectively work in the hands of our enemy, roman petrochok, when you talk about this file that apparently got into the office of the president of ukraine, do you mean from foreign special services or from the security service of ukraine? no , these are materials that were found in the security service more than once, the security service of ukraine has already submitted relevant materials, including from the hands of ivan bakanov and his deputies, to the divisions of the national security council and the president's office, where the actions or inactions of certain officials were explained, but for some reason they did not pay attention to these materials

because er, they raised a glout and under this, under the leadership of this glout, they were fired, pay attention not only to those heads of the regional e-e department of the security service that were discussed, but also others. well, then there would be a clear reason for what was raised violence because it was necessary to start this uh, such a player principle of personnel reshuffles , as far as it corresponds to reality well, this is already a matter, let's say there experts, but it is obvious that such things cannot be done spontaneously, because in the end, i say once again, this is the fate of people, this is a matter wars as you said, it is absolutely correct, considering the position that the americans currently take, because the shards from the parties are not only a shard, it is the entire american society, after all, the american

establishment, because we accept this statement exclusively as one statement to the congressman, but it is obvious that this is a sign from the political elite of the united states of america, ukraine, everything is clear, and the young congresswoman receives documents to which units have access, this is not a random thing, where did such young, young, young, and congresswoman appear documents, this means that the system worked, who submitted documents, who gave briefings, and it is clear that such things are acquired and such materials have been acquired for years. therefore, it is obvious that it all lies on the surface. by the way, here is our the system today dismissed ibknov and vinnidictov, and venediktova was dismissed with 240,264 votes, the deputies voted for

you, the servants of the people, there were not enough votes in one faction, they gave 198 votes to them under the voting group trust 17 the platform for life and peace, which used to be opzzh, and well, the restoration of ukraine is already here, these groups are being created after the fallout about the russian blocs is already here how mushrooms grow in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, everything is more or less clear with bakanov. and why is he not an announcer? vinni diktova blamed zelenskyi's team, well, considering that after one hundred percent, as zelenskyi said, ruslan ryaboshapka, 200 percent vinni diktova came and suddenly she turned out to be, well, let's say so superfluous in this configuration. well, the point is that it is obvious that in indiktova

read and continues to read the laws, etc., after today, when the personnel obstacle in the appointment of oleksandr klymenko was removed, it is obvious that all she had to do was sign the appointment of a-a, and they understood this very well, because remember the situation with the fifth president, when only the current acting prosecutor general signed the suspicions, no one refused to sign because she understood the worthlessness of the charges brought against petro poroshenko, and in the current situation , i say once again with all the comments there were political discussions in the parliament when she was appointed, she understood it's great that there is a constitution, there is a law, and you should n't trample over all this. this method is chosen, will it be applied tomorrow,

and the issue there is related to access to state secrets, well, forgive me, these are things that should have been resolved already, because all the necessary checks have been passed, all the necessary authorities are involved, and in this situation, access is either granted or not given after all those checks, therefore, the answer to this question was already formulated a long, long time ago and it is obvious that er plays this balalaika and i, what did i say, playing this balalaika, they are trying to delay klymenko's appointment once again, but with from my point of view, this already looks in relation to our european international partners simply unsanitary, and believe me, what will be accepted there, i would advise the president and the heads

of the president's office to stop playing with these things, and it is strange, strange, but this is the attitude towards international partners to the diplomatic corps because the other day there was a statement from the ambassadors of the great seven countries there and so on that for some reason or another it migrated from those soviet times to the modern ukraine, there is no need to act like that disrespect, especially since their remarks are based on very serious materials. by the way, yesterday zelenskyi said about the personnel audit of the service and security of ukraine. he stated this in his daily address to the ukrainian people. let's listen to a small fragment. the personnel audit of the service is being conducted. the question of the dismissal of 28 officials is being resolved. the directions but

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